Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27

SeigSoloyvov wrote:You keep saying this but russian troops and officers say otherwise, at this point you just refuse to see whats in front of you

I served in the Russian military - you are not allowed to just give your opinion on a whim on social media or publicly to anyone in fact. Nor do you have the opportunity typically.

Serving Russian troops and officers I've heard nothing from, although I haven't been seeking out their pronouncements either.
They'll be keeping silent.

Anyone who isn't keeping silent is either not involved, or has been ordered to say X, Y or Z.

And all I'm really saying is the obvious.
Because the alternative is to believe that a black hole has swallowed the Russian military leadership, they're thus unable to transmit any orders and the army has been left completely rudderless. Doomed I say to its current static positions and piece-mail improvisation by individual units, without even the ability to redeploy an extra platoon as needed given the missing chain of command.
Either that or to believe that indeed, the Russian army has simply run out of men. All those Western and Ukrainian media pronouncements of 10k Russian casualties just in the first week must have been true and the casualty rate scarcely has improved since. By now there are simply no more people they can direct to the defense of Krasnyj Liman, Kamennaya, then Donetsk or anywhere else. The Ukrainian army has a clear road to the Urals.

flamming_python wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:You keep saying this but russian troops and officers say otherwise, at this point you just refuse to see whats in front of you

I served in the Russian military - you are not allowed to just give your opinion on a whim on social media or publicly to anyone in fact. Nor do you have the opportunity typically.

Serving Russian troops and officers I've heard nothing from, although I haven't been seeking out their pronouncements either.
They'll be keeping silent.

Anyone who isn't keeping silent is either not involved, or has been ordered to say X, Y or Z.

And all I'm really saying is the obvious.
Because the alternative is to believe that a black hole has swallowed the Russian military leadership, they're thus unable to transmit any orders and the army has been left completely rudderless. Doomed I say to its current static positions and on the ground improvisation, without even the ability to redeploy an extra platoon as needed given the missing chain of command.
Either that or to believe that indeed, the Russian army has simply run out of men. All those Western and Ukrainian media pronouncements of 10k Russian casualties just in the first week must have been true and the casualty rate scarcely has improved since. By now there are simply no more people they can direct to the defense of Krasnyj Liman, Kamennaya, then Donetsk or anywhere else. The Ukrainian army has a clear road to the Urals.

They are not keeping silent, I suggest you do some research before you act as if you know.

Russia has not ran out of men, but they deployed to few and got caught out because of that is what happened.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
They are not keeping silent, I suggest you do some research before you act as if you know.

You do the research bud, and don't forget the name, rank and approximate location of who it is you're claiming to quote

Because I'm not going to shoulder the burden of proof onto myself, you're the one making the allegation

Russia has not ran out of men, but they deployed to few and got caught out because of that is what happened.

And where are the rest of its men? Where are the undeployed ones? Napping 300km away in Rostov, across the border? For 3 weeks straight?
They had 500 in Krasnyj Liman and literally no reserves? Not even a spare battalion in the region to shift from one place to another?
I'm not an officer and never attended a military academy - but by chance have you ever read any memoirs, accounts of battle or history books? Since when has there ever been a situation where a side is completely out of reserves to plug some gap or reinforce a section of the front with? That sort of thing will happen after a Kursk or Stalingrad, maybe after weeks of the most grueling intense combat with tens of thousands of casualties. Not on a fairly moderate section of front that has seen only WW1 style positional combat or piecemeal offensive action recently, and that further in the south in Bakhmut and 2 months prior a short engagement in Lisichyansk.

Field Marshall Model in the Rzhev meat-grinder had more reserves to work with, thousands of kilometers away from Germany with thousands of kilometers of scarcely defended diffuse front - then the Russians (and DNR, not to forget them) in the Donbass, a region literally right next to Russian territory and with its own population fully mobilized?

A Cossack volunteer force and some spare Rosgvardia was already the most Russia could hope to muster at Krasnyj Liman?
No good Sir, I simply don't believe it.
And we're not even getting into the topic of Russian rapid reaction forces such as entire brigades of VDV that are expressly designed for you know - rapid deployment, filling gaps in defenses or exploiting enemy weaknesses as needed.

Russia is up to something. But you and the other NATO fanboys, closet or otherwise - continue to do you. By all means. I shall humour you no further.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:
You keep saying this but russian troops and officers say otherwise, at this point you just refuse to see whats in front of you

No military officer says otherwise. Such information is strictly confidential and in war time anyone who speaks commits treason. For treason there can be life time up to death sentence.
Grunts may complain here and there but no officer will speak in open channels stuff that idiots like you consume. This is NATO vs Russia war and every higher rank officer gets instructed not to use any open channels for communication as everyone is potential target by enemy intel. Your phone gets tapped, E-Mail, family and friends. So this is bullshit claims in the peak of war propaganda.

SiegHeil just shows with every post how stupid and easily he can get manipulated.

Go on and maybe even find some Facebook posts by russian officers or even generals complaining about the situation

Your IQ is lower than expected.

Mir wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

You keep saying this but russian troops and officers say otherwise, at this point you just refuse to see whats in front of you

You're a fool if you believe everything you hear and see on Twatter.

No. no!!!!

Haven't you heard. Russians all use only social media for their communication for everyone to read. They have no encrypted channels to communicate, they also have no brains and are constantly complaining in war time about their jobs and create chaos and hysteria just like our SiegHeil.

AFU making big advances on the Olgino front, captured Zolotaya Balka, Shevchenkovka and Lyubimovka.

zorobabel wrote:AFU making big advances on the Olgino front, captured Zolotaya Balka, Shevchenkovka and Lyubimovka.

This map is apparently outdated. The AFU have reportedly reached Dudchany. 27km advance.

Torskoye, Donetsk People's Republic, under Ukrainian control.

It looks like they are advancing from the south and from the west at the same time.

My best guess is they are going to wait for the 300,000 mobilized men to be ready, while in mean time let Ukrainians to be thrown in the meat grinder. Yeah, Russia will lose a bunch of territory it gained, but eventually their men will have less to fight with when the mobilized are used. So expect in next month or so a lot of this territory regained anyway, as they say, they will take back all the territory if these regions. Just didn't say when.

APU units are successfully advancing on Kherson like carrots on a grater

The steppes of the Kherson region are littered with bats and abandoned enemy equipment, including:

Tanks T-72M1 and T-64BV

BMP-1 and BMP-2

BTR - YPR 765

Armored cars "Kozak" and "Kirpi"

https://t.me/anna_news/40455?single

zorobabel wrote:

zorobabel wrote:AFU making big advances on the Olgino front, captured Zolotaya Balka, Shevchenkovka and Lyubimovka.

This map is apparently outdated. The AFU have reportedly reached Dudchany. 27km advance.

This incompetence is terrifying. What's that supposed to be? Do you drink Russians again? Which betrayal is running here?

Come out of the ass and clean it up! It is Russian soil!

And it is finally time to cut West Ukraine along NATO Grenz from Belarus! Now! Ending this game! There will hardly be any resistance and at the same time the entire infastructure is paralyzed so that the troops can only move themselves from the enemy and all of this across the street!

Ending the War now! No more games here!
Comes out of the ass and does not talk about the big plan.
Simply make, massive, hard and effective. Now!

I could vomit how simply the fascists always win terrain. With so much incompetence, the Wehrmacht would have been through in 3 months. So finally move your ass and clean up with the fascists!

Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E wrote:

zorobabel wrote:
This map is apparently outdated. The AFU have reportedly reached Dudchany. 27km advance.

This incompetence is terrifying. What's that supposed to be? Do you drink Russians again? Which betrayal is running here?

Come out of the ass and clean it up! It is Russian soil!

And it is finally time to cut West Ukraine along NATO Grenz from Belarus! Now! Ending this game! There will hardly be any resistance and at the same time the entire infastructure is paralyzed so that the troops can only move themselves from the enemy and all of this across the street!

Ending the War  now! No more games here!
Comes out of the ass and does not talk about the big plan.
Simply make, massive, hard and effective. Now!

I could vomit how simply the fascists always win terrain. With so much incompetence, the Wehrmacht would have been through in 3 months. So finally move your ass and clean up with the fascists!

In this case the soldiers on the ground said they gave warning about the impending offensive by the AFU, but were ignored by leadership. So there is at least the knowledge and competence at the tactical level, but not at the strategic.

I don't know what to think anymore. I just want to tune it out. But i have nothing better to do but watch the war

Liberated territory means nothing while the conflict continues, so the best thing to do is to kill as many Nazi-affected idiots as possible. After that, the territory will most likely be larger than it is now. Those who don't have patience should watch comedies or porn. Patience is an integral part of any strategic planning.

Mir wrote:

Backman wrote:I don't know what to think anymore. I just want to tune it out. But i have nothing better to do but watch the war

In any military it is unheard of for senior officers (or any soldier for that matter) to make derogatory comments against your comrades on public platforms. This is almost akin to treason - yet it is allowed.

Perhaps a little bit of The Art of War is at play here. Make the enemy think that you're weak so that they can crawl out of their borrows - to get slaughtered. If you really think about it this is exactly what's happening right now.

Imo, this looks more like western psyop, now that the major offensive is underway, suddenly the push back in these areas are causing all these doomers to show up, to spread panic and FUD in general.

This is all just a last ditch effort to weaken Russian moral to try and shake up the upcoming offensive.

Waste of time to worry too much, granted Russia has disappointed before, though that was more due to politicians making stupid decisions.