Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27

flamming_python wrote:

thegopnik wrote:

Actually it's not a bad proposal if there is an assurance that the Ukraine won't be armed up again and really does remain neutral

But the referendums would be impossible to redo impartially and fairly in any case
Nor can the UN be trusted to be objective

U cant have "assurances" from a Fascist state backed by a far larger Fascist state.
This is literally like appeasing Hitler.
Muskrat is a fucking idiot.
Russia is Russia's last hope. Infact its the Russian World's ONLY hope.
Russia fixes it militarily or vast numbers of the pro Russian half are killed by America's puppets to bait Russia into further (far harder action) further down the line.

Russia should have gone in years ago. Firstly the job would have been easier.

AFU broke through the Kremennaya - Svatovo highway and are storming Krasnorechenskoye 6km east of the highway. Svatovo residents have been ordered to self-evacuate.
https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1576996069417766912

Fully agree, Russia should have gone full Zukov the last time they visited Kiev.

That said, i have no clue what the West's plan is anymore?
Their sanctions blitzkrieg failed spectacularly.
So even if they do wreil Russia up to commit harder action, what the F is the point?

Sure you will kill some slavs, but you wont be able to weaken Russia remotely enough for it to matter.

Its just western desperation at this point.

Firebird wrote:
Russia should have gone  in years ago. Firstly the job would have been easier.

then Russia would loose all. This si not only about army - economy would collapse 10 -15 years ago with such sanctions. State apparatus was not nearly efficient as today.

flamming_python wrote:

thegopnik wrote:

Actually it's not a bad proposal if there is an assurance that the Ukraine won't be armed up again and really does remain neutral

But the referendums would be impossible to redo impartially and fairly in any case
Nor can the UN be trusted to be objective

He simplified it further, which I think is a reasonable statement.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

Firebird wrote:
Russia should have gone  in years ago. Firstly the job would have been easier.

then Russia would loose all. This si not only about army - economy would collapse 10 -15 years ago with such sanctions. State apparatus was not nearly efficient as today.

Russia still had between 2014 and Feb 2022.
Manpower loses would have been very small, and militarily it would have been much easier.

The sanctions claim is always made. But is it true? I don't believe so. Or were Eurasian Sovereignists having to battle Atlanticists and outright 5th colummists? Would a pivot to Asia have been that hard?
Russia is very effective at self sufficiency. It certainly new America's plans for the Pukraine right from the beginning ie 1991/

Did Russia really need 8 yrs to pivot East? Surely not.
Or was it more, Russia finally realised how evil America's plans were for the Pukraine.
I believe the latter. Infact I sensed so when I heard a Putin speech in late 2021.
The question is, did Putin change his mind? Or did Putin win over/beat 5th columnist resistance? Is it a "coincidence" that the Pukraine became ever more diabolic (and highly armed) exactly when Russia became self sufficient? No such thing as a coincidence. So I believe Russia should have struck before the Pukraine rearmed so much.

PLus its clear Russia wasn't focused on the Pukraine from 1991 onwards politically. And now that has caused major problems today.

zorobabel wrote:AFU broke through the Kremennaya - Svatovo highway and are storming Krasnorechenskoye 6km east of the highway. Svatovo residents have been ordered to self-evacuate.
https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1576996069417766912

It seems they soon will start entering LNR terriories. Their advancement is so rapid, blitckrieg like.

Any news from Kherson front?

zorobabel wrote:

flamming_python wrote:

thegopnik wrote:

Actually it's not a bad proposal if there is an assurance that the Ukraine won't be armed up again and really does remain neutral

But the referendums would be impossible to redo impartially and fairly in any case
Nor can the UN be trusted to be objective

He simplified it further, which I think is a reasonable statement.

Itas not just the people of the Donbass. Its Odessa, Kharkov, even Kiev and many other places.
Suggesting its just Donbass is frankly obscene. What sort of fucked up mental state are many in the Pukraine after all those years of secret police, banned pro Russian media, nazi vermin asssassinating and jailing people.

Musk is a flim flam merchant. Reminds me of Richard Branson and plenty of others.
300bn doesn't make him some God. Quite the opposite infact. He's speaking like an 8 yr old American schoolkid on the topic. Pretending hes being "openminded" but hes just as ignorant as the filth in Washington.

DerWolf wrote:Any news from Kherson front?

Well from what i see in some groups there is difficulty and the gap opened has not been closed, Russians retreat from Dudchany. It's concerning. whatever puts them near Kherson must be dealt with swift and extreme prejudice.

Now waiting images and such. The Ukrainians may do more Photo-ops with flags.

But we'll see if more informations are available.

franco wrote:6 - ~228,000 conscripts, who are not allowed to fight or even go into the SMO zone

So actual numbers available for combat are not that high...

From tomorrow (or the day after) the four Regions/Republics will be officially russian territory. That means that conscripts can be send there to perform some duties.

flamming_python wrote:Actually it's not a bad proposal if there is an assurance that the Ukraine won't be armed up again and really does remain neutral

But the referendums would be impossible to redo impartially and fairly in any case
Nor can the UN be trusted to be objective

Then a new american regime will come in, "elect" a new ukrainian regime and the agreements will be forgotten. Just like the ABM or INF treaties.

Russia retreated from Dudchany on the Kherson front. Retreating Russian forces blew up the bridge on the way out.
https://t.me/rybar/39708

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franco wrote:

Backman wrote:Mark Sleboda said that Russia has a million man active duty military. What does

So actual numbers available for combat are not that high...

So give or take 700,000 full time soldiers ?

Isn't the point of having a full time military similar to a fire department? When a fire starts, you activate the military to put it out?

Out of a aine war, Russia got cocky and misjudged Ukraine's strength so they never bothered to mobilize beforehand which I said from day 1 was a mistake that would kick them in the ass.

The mistake Russia made wasn't keeping such a massive force online 24/7 it was they didn't mobilize what they needed when they should have.

If there's 700,000 full time paid soldiers , why the f*ck does anyone need to be called up.

signing ceremony of 4 regions tommorow?

calripson wrote:Several sources in the US have telegraphed the US response to a use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine: an immediate sinking of the entire Black Sea fleet and destruction of all port facilities

Already at this point, the history of mankind ends, as Russia will use an immediate nuclear response.

and the "destruction", presumable using NATO airpower, of all Russian forces in Ukraine

Even if there are attempts to do something like this - how monstrous will the losses of NATO aviation be? Ukrainian aviation does not exist as a combat-ready force, why will any NATO air groups survive in the Ukrainian sky, closed by S-400 air defense systems?

One would guess such a response would cause a nuclear counterstrike against NATO airfields in Poland and Romania and attacks on NATO surface naval assets.

Those who wrote this are complete morons. In the described case, the nuclear response will primarily be inflicted on the capitals of NATO countries and large infrastructure facilities. Humanity will die painfully in the next few years.

Elon is dumb about some things, smart about others. He is smart about taking iterative development practices from the software industry and applying them to physical product development (rockets) and manufacturing in the real world.

As for what he said about Ukraine, obviously it is not acceptable to a pro-RU crowd, but you should see the blowback he is getting from dumb libs and moderate Republicans. That shows you how extreme opinions are in the West due to rabid NATO propaganda.

Ispan wrote:Some comparative analysis of the opposing armies, strategy and tactics. Food for thought

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/10/03/ejercitos-enfrentados/

Follow up with an analysis of Ukrainian army

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/10/03/ejercitos-enfrentados-ii/