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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:05 pm

    Fighter bomber from telegram who is a russian guy with friends in the air force, I'm not sure he is not a former pilot, said that half of the crews of a su-34 squadron in Crimea have been shot down.

    And they barely use this plane since most of the work is done by su-25.

    That's fucking too much. Its RCS is so huge that its ECM can't hide it. And they are going against soviet made equipement against which they are trained.

    Su-57 is needed in a special bomber variant with no fancy radars and OLS to keep the price down and stealthier since ols and radar are two good reflectors.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:06 pm

    TASS


    Departures of Ukrop to the eternal hunting grounds for October 6.





    * The Ministry of Defense announced the liberation of the village of Zaitsevo in the DPR

    During a special operation, the allied forces liberated the settlement of Zaitsevo in the Donetsk People's Republic in the Artyomovsk direction, destroying more than 120 servicemen of two brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU). This was stated on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
    "In the Artyomovsk direction, as a result of the offensive actions of the allied forces, the settlement of Zaitsevo of the Donetsk People's Republic was liberated. More than 120 servicemen of the 58th motorized infantry and 128th mountain assault brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as three infantry fighting vehicles, were destroyed," he said.




    * Russian Defense Ministry: Russian Armed Forces stopped an attempt to break through the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Andreevo-Krivoy Rog direction

    "In the Andreevo-Krivoy Rog direction, the enemy, using the forces of four battalion tactical groups, made repeated attempts to break through the defenses of our troops in the direction of the settlements of Dudchany, Sukhanovo, Sadok, Bruskinskoye during the day. In all directions, the enemy was thrown back from the defense line of the Russian troops," he said.
    Konashenkov also specified that more than 100 Ukrainian servicemen, six tanks, eight armored fighting vehicles and nine vehicles were destroyed.





    * The RF Armed Forces attacked three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions

    Russian Armed Forces launched missile and air strikes on three brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson and Nikolaev regions, killing more than 280 Ukrainian soldiers - Russian MOD
    "As a result of rocket and air strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces on the points of temporary deployment of the 35th Marine Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Davydov Brod in the Kherson region, the 46th airborne brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Murakhovka in the Nikolaev region, the 60th Infantry Brigade in the area More than 280 Ukrainian servicemen and 9 units of military equipment were destroyed in the settlements of Trifonovka and Novaya Kamenka in the Kherson region," Konashenkov said.





    * Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed up to 60 military personnel and two tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the DPR

    Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed up to 60 servicemen and two tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the DPR
    This was stated on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
    "In the area of ​​​​the settlement of Novy Komar of the Donetsk People's Republic, up to sixty servicemen of the 56th motorized infantry brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, two tanks and five vehicles were destroyed by air strikes from the Russian Aerospace Forces," he said.





    * Russian Aerospace Forces shot down the MiG-29 and Su-24 of the Ukrainian Air Force in the DPR

    Russian Aerospace Forces shot down the MiG-29 and Su-24 of the Ukrainian Air Force in the Donetsk People's Republic - Russian Defense Ministry.
    This was stated on Thursday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
    "Fighter aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down two aircraft of the Ukrainian air forces in a day - one MiG-29 in the area of ​​​​the settlement of Novogrodovka and one Su-24 in the area of settlement of Sviridonovka in the Donetsk People's Republic," he said.




    * The National Guard announced the destruction of more than 20 Ukrainian nationalists in the LPR per day

    "During the day, more than 20 militants, a tank, a self-propelled artillery mount, as well as eight units of special vehicles were destroyed on the territory of the Lugansk People's Republic with the participation of Russian Guard fighters," the report says.
    In addition, the department noted, during the search activities, the National Guard discovered an ammunition depot belonging to the nationalists. 13 artillery shells, 25 hand grenades, more than 640 grenade launcher rounds, 26 kg of explosives and over 12,000 rounds of ammunition were confiscated.





    * Russian Armed Forces destroyed more than 120 military units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kupyansk direction

    "In the Kupyansky direction, the enemy, with the forces of up to three battalion tactical groups, made an unsuccessful attempt to resume the offensive in the directions of Pershotravneve, Kislovka and Berestovoe. All attacks were repulsed by decisive actions of the Russian troops. More than 120 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 5 tanks, 12 armored combat vehicles and 14 vehicles were destroyed" - said Konashenkov.




    * Russian Defense Ministry: AFU did not take active hostilities in the Krasnoliman direction

    "On the Krasnoliman direction, the military units of the Kiev regime did not take active hostilities," Konashenkov said.
    According to the official representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense, Russian artillerymen eliminated 25 Ukrainian militants. "Russian artillery fire near the village of Petrovskoe, Kharkov region, destroyed two Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups. 25 militants and two pickup trucks with heavy machine guns installed were liquidated," he added.





    * Aviation, missilemen and artillerymen of the Russian Federation hit eight command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

    "Strikes by operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery hit eight command posts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 63 artillery units in firing positions, manpower and military equipment of the enemy in 173 districts in a day," he said.




    * Russian Aerospace Forces destroyed three pontoon crossings of the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the Ingulets River

    This was announced on Thursday by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
    "The high-precision missile strikes of the Russian Aerospace Forces in the areas of the settlements of Velikoye Artakovo in the Nikolaev region, Novogrigorovka and Belaya Krinitsa in the Kherson region destroyed three pontoon crossings of the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the Ingulets River," he said.






    * The DPR reported that the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Donetsk direction are running out of Soviet weapons
    In this regard, according to the officer of the People's Militia of the Republic Andrey Baevsky, shelling of the DPR is increasingly being carried out using NATO weapons.

    MOSCOW, 6 October. /TASS/. Ukrainian military personnel are running out of Soviet-style weapons and ammunition, as a result, shelling of the Donetsk People's Republic is increasingly being carried out using NATO weapons. This was announced by an officer of the People's Militia of the DPR Andrey Baevsky on Thursday on Channel One.
    “Today is probably the first day when no other shells except 155 mm were recorded before lunch. These are Western types of weapons delivered to Ukraine. In this case, Soviet weapons are running out, and ammunition for Soviet weapons is running out. Therefore, practically the last two “For three weeks we have not observed the use of 122 mm guns, except for isolated cases, and only isolated cases are recorded in the region of 7-10 shots from 120 mm mortars in the Gorlovka region,” he said.
    Baevsky stressed that all major shelling is carried out either with artillery or with the use of the HIMARS multiple launch rocket system.




    * Miroshnik said that the entire territory of Kremennaya in the LPR is controlled by allied forces

    "The entire territory of the [Kremennaya] region is controlled and protected by our troops," he wrote on his Telegram channel.
    According to Miroshnik, fortifications are being actively erected in the city area and a line of defense is being formed. In addition, the artillery of the allied forces located near Kremennaya strikes at clusters of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AfU).



    * Miroshnik said that the Armed Forces of Ukraine pulled up to 10 thousand people to the area of ​​Seversk and Torsky

    "Enemy groups are clustering in the area of ​​Seversk and Torskoy. According to expert estimates, up to 10,000 Nazi manpower have been deployed there. There are equipment, mercenary units, artillery and MLRS (multiple launch rocket systems - TASS note)," he wrote he is in the Telegram channel. - <...> Enemy DRGs (sabotage and reconnaissance groups - TASS note) are actively moving through the forests, part with a camera instead of weapons. They form a massive flow of disinformation," Miroshnik stressed.





    * Russian troops hit two Ukrainian batteries of Grad MLRS in a day

    Russian troops hit two Ukrainian batteries of the Grad MLRS in the Kharkiv region and the DPR in a day - Russian Defense Ministry.

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    Post  Scorpius Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:09 pm

    flamming_python wrote:

    The first couple of weeks have been chaotic but that's to be expected

    Which country bar Israel and a couple of others ever practice mobilizations of their populations?

    So yes you do end up with a bunch of people wrongly mobilized, some being sent to the wrong place, given the wrong equipment or whatever.
    Most important is that it's all learned from and fixed quickly. As has been the case with the rest of the war. Mistakes are made but they're rapidly corrected.

    Something more organized should have been expected from a country conducting military operations, the course and causes of which have been told by leading propagandists for years. No one can explain to me why it was necessary to get involved in the SVO, without even having a strategic reserve of military force to fight on the front line. And this is after 8 years of proxy wars with the West.
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    Post  0nillie0 Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:13 pm

    Seems to me a lot of People here have been tainted by the West in all it's facets, and have an insatiable thirst for instant, personal gratification, even when things like a great war with all it's complex features is on the table. This war could last a generation, or more, and it Will flow back & Forth like the tides.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:16 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:
    What percentage of the mobilization is the one that faces fuckups?

    I can't say the exact percentage, since this is the topic of a whole study. However, from the information I'm facing now:
    1. Mass brawl with servicemen in Alabino.
    2. The death of several mobilized in training centers.
    3. Several cases of conflict with officers: in one of them there was a mass appeal to the prosecutor's office after the colonel told the mobilized "We will not train you, we are recruiting meat."
    4. Video from the train with the mobilized, who were given weapons, and then abandoned - no money, no food, no uniforms, the train has been standing for two weeks. We have several hundred hungry, angry people who have military weapons in their hands and who were simply thrown into the field.
    5. I was not personally a witness, but I received information from friends that at least one case when a conscript and a deceased at the front were returned three weeks after the draft, of which TWO were not taken up by the delivery of the body to relatives.
    6. Also, according to information from friends from the LPR /DPR, I have information that the real losses of the allies are from 20,000 to 30,000 KIA at the moment. I cannot assess their reliability, I transmit only the data that I have been informed.
    7. I also know an example when a soldier who has been fighting at the front for 7 months, who was wounded, and is currently undergoing treatment, received the following news: a) as soon as he is cured, he will be sent to the front line again, b) about a third of the monetary payments of one and a half million rubles have mysteriously disappeared somewhere, that is, about half a million of this amount will not be paid to him.
    8. One of the mobilized, to whom I, as part of the community, am now helping with money to collect equipment, confirms that: a) almost all equipment has to be purchased independently; b) prices for necessary goods in stores have soared several times (growth coefficients range from x2-x3 to x7-x8 depending on the category of goods).
    9. In fact, from the environment I know, only 2-3 people are sent to the front. Everyone else is fleeing abroad, hiding or otherwise looking for a way to avoid mobilization. All this distrust of the current government, its management methods and military leadership is argued. Simply put, people for the most part are sure of only two things: a) the authorities will betray at the first opportunity, b) Mobilization is designed to fill up the corpses with obvious gross mistakes of the command, that is, the mobilized are potential corpses. What follows is a simple chain of logical reasoning: "I don't want to die for the interests of a bunch of rich bastards who negotiate with the Nazis, throw ordinary people to death and generally demonstrate in every possible way that they pursue their own interests (mainly economic)".

    I am now talking only about what I observe around me, using only facts and examples that are known to me.

    P.S. Also I have to add my observations:
    1. Society turned out to be very disorganized and divided.
    2. Nevertheless, the main assistance to the front throughout its entire course comes from spontaneous public volunteer movements that help soldiers on the front line as much as they can. Assistance with money, equipment, moral support is all the result, first of all, of the self-organization of Russian society, and not the activities of officials.
    3. The people who refuse to defend the country and run away are mostly those who in this very country had far from an average standard of living, but much higher. Those who received hundreds of thousands and millions of rubles a month mostly shy away from mobilization, preferring that simpler guys die for their comfortable life. This is a VERY bad indicator, which can lead to a civil war. The Russian people may soon raise the question of the relevance of capitalism again - after all, socialism, with all its distortions demonstrated earlier, was a MUCH more just society.

    I have come across some similar information and negative, pessimistic views are prevalent but a lot can be explained by rationalization.

    i.e. I don't want to go and risk my life and fight therefore I'll find excuses to not do so. Organizational mess. It's a meat-grinder. Officers who could care less about own men. Incompetent leadership. Our own greedy elites who wage this war only for profit, etc...

    Yet the reality is that this has become an existential war for Russia and has been ever since the West has attempted to use it to collapse the country utterly, and then cancelled Kiev's negotiation process with Moscow. Then the Bucha massacre and other things, which made it clear what awaits any regions that go back to the Ukrainian regime side, whether Ukrainian or Russian populated.

    Society is divided but this is temporary. People will calm down. The mobilized will continue going to the front, and organizational mistakes will be corrected.
    Because these events were quite a shock so it's natural

    Based on the conscription period starting from 1st November instead of 1st of October as usual, with Peskov explaining that Voenkomats are overloaded at present and they want to get through with mobilized men first - it can be concluded that the present wave of mobilization will conclude by the end of the month.
    So far neither I nor the guys I served with have been called up. Too early to say whether we've dodged the proverbial bullet for now. Generally the mood amongst us is reluctant and the same news of fk-ups in mobilizing people gets circulated among us. But at the same time only 1 guy out of our has said that he'll attempt to avoid conscription. The rest have accepted it and are just tying up loose ends in case we're drafted. None have fled the country far as I know.
    Only people I know who've fled the country are people who haven't served at all but who are afraid they'll be grabbed off the streets or whatever.

    As for the 'true casualties' - your friends in the LDNR won't have that information. But they're probably not too far off.
    Among the Russian forces (MoD, Rosgvardia, volunteers) it's around 6-7k KIA I believe. Shoigu wasn't omitting much. Among the LNR and DNR, I remember their casualty reports from e.g. the battle of Mariupol, where the DNR was admitting to having 200-300 killed in a week. It wouldn't at all surprise me if they collectively have over 10k KIA by now.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:24 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:

    The first couple of weeks have been chaotic but that's to be expected

    Which country bar Israel and a couple of others ever practice mobilizations of their populations?

    So yes you do end up with a bunch of people wrongly mobilized, some being sent to the wrong place, given the wrong equipment or whatever.
    Most important is that it's all learned from and fixed quickly. As has been the case with the rest of the war. Mistakes are made but they're rapidly corrected.

    Something more organized should have been expected from a country conducting military operations, the course and causes of which have been told by leading propagandists for years. No one can explain to me why it was necessary to get involved in the SVO, without even having a strategic reserve of military force to fight on the front line. And this is after 8 years of proxy wars with the West.

    But they did have a strategic reserve.
    Or rather tried to build one

    That system of 'reservists' that they've tried to introduce over the past few years, where you take part in some exercises every few months in return for some part-time pay.

    Only problem was barely anyone signed up for it.

    Therefore they've fallen back on the traditional system of reserves now and have employed it. This is the strategic reserve

    As for the supposed lack of professionals and full-time military units to act as reserves - that's just deception and hogwash.
    They had 500 people defending Krasnyj Liman. How many defending eastern Kharkov region? 500-1000? And mostly Rosgvardia at that, or LDNR forces.

    Most of these units seem to be back in Russia not in the Ukraine. They're not being employed. As to why, it's anyone's guess but we've been over this and I've detailed my interpretation many times.

    Calling up reserves, is primarily needed meanwhile, for expanding the army and giving said reservists experience - in case of an expansion of the conflict with NATO

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:46 pm

    Another good analysis by "Big Serge"

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    Too long to post here in its entirity, but I'll post some choice sections thumbsup

    Simultaneously, Putin has moved towards - and ultimately achieved - his project of formal annexation of Ukraine’s old eastern rim. This has also legally transformed the war into an existential struggle. Further Ukrainian advances in the east are now, in the eyes of the Russian state, an assault on sovereign Russian territory and an attempt to destroy the integrity of the Russian state. Recent polling shows that a supermajority of Russians support defending these new territories at any cost.

    All domains now align. Putin and company conceived of this war from the beginning as an existential struggle for Russia, to eject an anti-Russian puppet state from its doorstep and defeat a hostile incursion into Russian civilizational space. Public opinion is now increasingly in agreement with this (surveys show that Russian distrust of NATO and “western values” have skyrocketed), and the legal framework post-annexation recognizes this as well. The ideological, political, and legal domains are now united in the view that Russia is fighting for its very existence in Ukraine. The unification of the technical, ideological, political, and legal dimensions was, just moments ago, described by the head of Russia’s communist party, Gennady Zyuganov:

    So, the President signed decrees on the admission of the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions into Russia. Bridges are burned . What was clear from the moral and statist points of view has now become a legal fact: on our land there is an enemy, he kills and maims the citizens of Russia. The country demands the most decisive action to protect compatriots. Time does not wait.

    A political consensus for higher mobilization and greater intensity has been achieved. Now all that remains is the implementation of this consensus in the material world of fist and boot, bullet and shell, blood and iron.

    There are really only two ways to interpret what is happening. One is the western spin: the Russian army is defeated and depleted and is being driven from the field. Putin is deranged, his commanders are incompetent, and Russia’s only card left to play is to throw drunk, untrained conscripts into the meat grinder.

    The other is the interpretation that I have advocated, that Russia is massing for a winter escalation and offensive, and is currently engaged in a calculated trade wherein they give up space in exchange for time and Ukrainian casualties. Russia continues to retreat where positions are either operationally compromised or faced with overwhelming Ukrainian numbers, but they are very careful to extract forces out of operational danger. In Lyman, where Ukraine threatened to encircle the garrison, Russia committed mobile reserves to unblock the village and secure the withdrawal of the garrison. Ukraine’s “encirclement” evaporated, and the Ukrainian interior ministry was bizarrely compelled to tweet (and then delete) video of destroyed civilian vehicles as “proof” that the Russian forces had been annihilated.

    Russia will likely continue to pull back over the coming weeks, withdrawing units intact under their artillery and air umbrella, grinding down Ukrainian heavy equipment stocks and wearing away their manpower. Meanwhile, new equipment continues to congregate in Belgorod, Zaporizhia, and Crimea. My expectation remains the same: episodic Russian withdrawal until the front stabilizes roughly at the end of October, followed by an operational pause until the ground freezes, followed by escalation and a winter offensive by Russia once they have finished amassing sufficient units.

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    Post  sepheronx Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:59 pm

    If they managed to already get 200,000 people mobilized out of the 300,000, then it sure sounds like it's working a lot better than I would have expected.  Conscription that happened in the US went to absolute crap as people also fled en mass to Canada during Vietnam and in Iraq required to use both national guard and mercenaries which is where Russia is currently at - having to use both as well.  It hasn't even been a month yet.

    With that said, it will take time to get these guys up to par in order to replenish those soldiers who are stationed at the border to which those guys will probably be the ones to head off to Ukraine.  I highly doubt we will see many of those called up go to the SMO.

    As for Rosgvardi being pulled back, I'm not sure that's such a good idea honestly.  While I do agree that overlapping capabilities isn't necessarily a good thing, but having these guys trained and even combat ready beyond police style actions, is important in war time.

    For equipment and other misshaps, I would be shocked if it didn't happen.  We had horror stories here for professional soldiers as we don't have conscription. So if we did, then I can say we would fair much worse.  But stuff like this happens and gets resolved.  It's important it actually happens especially in this situation so that they work out ways to prevent it happening in future when a big war would happen.

    Strategic reserves doesn't actually mean active men. It just means that these men are capable when called up upon and that is what this mobilization is - calling up the reserves. The purpose of conscripts is so that it creates a reserve ready for when called upon.

    Things could have been better though. For instance, they should have had much larger force in Ukraine in first place. And if they were sending in Rosgvardi to provide assistance, they should have trained them first for such conflict prior to being sent out. Volunteer units, which also is very large, should have actually been I corporated into a proper units with proper training and all. Maybe even called upon them to help fill in mobilized ranks instead.

    I think the Russian MoD weren't anticipating Ukraine to end up being complete cannon fodder and wasnt quite ready to mobilized until later as they probably didn't think there would have been a need at all. They got a huge force on the border of Ukraine, but they need them there. And only then they can move them if they got a replacement for them. When they said they are only using 15% of their capabilities, they mean it. But with that said, they shouldn't brag about it as it also showed that their available force to fight a conflict beyond their borders while protecting their borders is rather small.

    Maybe they need to take from the US playbook. Where Army, navy, airforce is for projection and national guard is for protection. Re structure rosgvardi to be the national guard protecting Russia and let the army and such be the projection.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:37 pm

    I used to respect this guy, but he's been on a weird track recently.

    So, take this:
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    I guess his friends in Moscow are of the mid-20's latte-sipping liberal variety who have little to no insight regarding military affairs, so silly ideas spread quickly, and he is clueless.

    Even if that is the case, where's the common sense?


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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:38 pm

    Scorpius wrote:It was because of people like you that all the failures at the front occurred: because of those who tried to keep silent about errors, because of those who provided incorrect data, because of those who did not want to change anything in their cozy little world full of corruption.

    And now, when the real problems of mobilization have surfaced, when the state's UNPREPAREDNESS for the current situation has been revealed, you continue to shout that everything is fine. In fact, ignoring the current reality now means letting the Ukrainians and their Washington masters kill as many Russians as possible. Are you fighting on the side of Ukraine?

    The current mobilization is not only being carried out badly, but also
    1. It is being carried out with a great delay.
    2. Conducted on an insufficient scale. I have already written above that in order to defeat the Ukrainian army in the current conditions, about a million active personnel trained in combat operations are needed. And I CAN'T understand why not now mobilize, for example, 600-800 thousand, of which 300 thousand will be sent to the combat zone, and the rest will be sent to military courses lasting 4-6 months. So the state will have a strategic reserve of 300-500 thousand COMBAT-ready troops, which is NOT available now.
    Moreover, these measures should have been taken even BEFORE the start of the special operation, but this was not done. And this is an indicator of the level of incompetence of the military leadership responsible for the strategic plans of the special operation.
    It is just a waste of time talking to fanboys here. Even if Kartopolov and Gurulyev are on record with critique about whole SMO business, this is still not enough. 
    Honestly, i expected that institutional rot and mindless bureaucracy were not this entrenched in Russian military and that it was largely shielded from problems of Russian state. I guess that joke is on me. 

    P.S. As for your comments about social situation in the country, i can see that if war doesn't go well, you can easily get an explosive situation in the society. Masses that work for 35k rubles will always look suspiciously at billionaires that didn't have to work a day in their life to become that and public servants with houses on French Riviera and millions of dollars in foreign bank accounts.
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:41 pm

    Isos wrote:Fighter bomber from telegram who is a russian guy with friends in the air force, I'm not sure he is not a former pilot, said that half of the crews of a su-34 squadron in Crimea have been shot down.

    And they barely use this plane since most of the work is done by su-25.

    That's fucking too much. Its RCS is so huge that its ECM can't hide it. And they are going against soviet made equipement against which they are trained.
    Post a link or shut up. Since, i also follow his channel, I'm pretty sure that he never said it. 
    How far can a person go to prove that they are right?


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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:52 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:I used to respect this guy, but he's been on a weird track recently.

    I guess his friends in Moscow are of the mid-20's latte-sipping liberal variety who have little to no insight regarding military affairs, so silly ideas spread quickly, and he is clueless.

    Even if that is the case, where's the common sense?
    Jonny Tickle changed his shirt at the beginning of the war. This shouldn't surprise you.  He is looking for vindication atm. Otherwise he might be unemployable in the West. At the end of the day, he is just a kid and cheap propagandist.

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    Post  Firebird Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:55 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:I used to respect this guy, but he's been on a weird track recently.

    So, take this:
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27 - Page 28 Screen11

    I guess his friends in Moscow are of the mid-20's latte-sipping liberal variety who have little to no insight regarding military affairs, so silly ideas spread quickly, and he is clueless.

    Even if that is the case, where's the common sense?

    Another Youtube cocksucker. Johnny Tickle (what a pathetic name - sounds like paedo at a children's party anyway).

    Tickle did little articles for RT UK before it was banned. Really shit ones BTW. I've no idea why he was recruited - other than the infamous gay casting couch? He also did a Youtube channel. He was to go around every Russian oblast. But his channel was dire. He could make the most interesting thing in the World sound like watching paint dry... literally.
    He's obviously a fucknut, probably with rich parents and has a severe cause of autism I would suspect.

    Anyway when he lost his job at RT he sold his soul to Satan... literally. He began critisicing Russia protecting Novorossiyans. Why? Because he saw money in it.

    The excuse for a "man" is an absolute jizzmop and has zero credibility. He just wants clicks. (ANd probably dicks).

    If the hypermong actually IS in Russia, surely he'd have had his working visa rescinded?

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    Post  Werewolf Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:41 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Su 34 is shit.

    Did not know that you have more knowledge about it's combat effectiveness than the Russian MoD and Sukhoi themselves.

    But then again, you are the type of guy that believes no Mi-28 are not in use and heliborne Anti-Tank tasks are not performed with Vikhr, Ataka, Window-widow, Khrizantema and all the other toys. Even tho I already know that my words are wasted on you, evident from the fact that you ignore what FP, Podlodka, Garry and others have said.

    Isos wrote:
    Ka-52 proved to be very good but they use it more like a WW2 katyucha mlrs rthn an acual combat chopper. There is barely few videos of atgm launched by russian forces.

    I don't remember the user that explained it very detailed, but you want the Ukropian fighting style just for your lust for war porn footage. That is exactly what they are doing.

    Attack Helicopters are very potent weapon systems and can indeed create lot of damage or even break through formations or and have some deep strike capability, but they can become completely useless if you have bad or worse wrong intel on enemies positions.

    Artillery is the god of all battlefields. It wins every battlefield. Every single artillery round before it's conception was already desitined to explode and it won't matter if it is destroyed by AD (highly unlikely) or by landing on someone or something. Cheap, highly effective, demoralizing and exists in millions of quantity.

    Attack Helicopters are used massively, however with lot of caution on intel of the battlefield. That is the only correct approach. They are used to in this war to train and test weapons and not to win battlefields. That is reserved for Poland.


    Isos wrote:
    Mi 28 is used but no vîdeo of it. Being armoured it should be the one attacking and getting close. Ka-52 isn't armoured.

    The Ka-52 is armored. Has the same non-transparent armor layout as Mi-28. Double fuselage layers of aluminium-alloy that can withstand 14.5mm and to some degree 20mm HE-Frag ammunition. Followed by aramid/kevlar liner to reduce the fragmentation and structural damage to the second non-transparent layer, which is the titanium-alloy "bathtub" which can withstand 30mm HE-FRAG rounds. The only disadvantage the Ka-52 has is the round canopy as it can not be armored for the simple fact that it needs to shatter in event of ejection of both pilots. The frontal flat panels are "bulletproof glass" sheets with the same thickness as the Mi-28 (45mm).

    Saying that the Ka-52 isn't armored while all western attack helicopters would dream to have even half the armor rating the Ka-52 to has is laughable. Does the Mi-28 provide overall better armor protection than Ka-52? Yes! Ka-50 and Mi-28 are the only Attack Helicopters with fully armored crew compartment in the world. The Mi-24 and Ka-52 provide more or less same level of armor.

    Vann7/notsobright/Atlas wrote:Is there trouble brewing between Wagner Group and the Russian MoD? bla bla bla

    I thought having multiple accounts is a reason for a ban. Garry?

    Might I be so bold and suggest you check for IPs and MAC-Addresses and ban the users with more than one account?
    The amount of postsers with triple to only single digit posts is getting suspiciously high in times of war and western paid shills.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:44 pm

    While it is certainly possible some random guy somewhere in the Russian military is trying to make a buck and con some folks, Its unlikely its that large scale.

    As scorp mentioned the russians did confirm there were some cases and are looking into it and other things.

    So hopefully they punish the ones responsible, stealing money from a man who served tisk, I;d say a bullet in that persons head is a fair punishement

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    Post  Stealthflanker Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:45 pm

    I guess the source of his story is "Trust me Bro"
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    Post  thegopnik Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:49 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    ALAMO wrote:

    And again, this is something clearly&openly stated from the official Russian sources just from the beginning.
    But the crying pussies don't hear what the people in charge had to say, are saying, and will say.
    Because the point is not to have any answers, but to spread panic and own delusions.
    Some random guy on TG/Twitter/whatever is making his own points, framing the Russian policy into that frames, and trying to recon up from his own delusions Laughing Laughing
    If the actions do not match - then the whole yapping and crying starts about zhrada and Putin chuino.
    From the very beginning, the stance of official Russian policy was clear: the longer the conflict will last, the bigger will be pain&sorrow for the Ukros.
    What started as a political struggle to implement a Minsk agreements, and retaining the statehood and territorial integrity of the Ukro state, turned into war operation to recapture the republics and destroy the military potential of the Ukropistan.
    As the Ukros were retaliating, and the NATO involvement became open&clear, operation was scaled up, and nobody mentions the territorial integrity of the Ukro state anymore.
    What's more, signals from Moscow are clear - the longer it will take, the more serious weapon will be provided to the Ukrs - the bigger buffer zone will be established.
    Situation is evolving, and we know now that there will be no territorial integrity of the Ukro state as stand firm back in let's say January.
    Now we are only talking about the end of the Russian thirst.

    It was because of people like you that all the failures at the front occurred: because of those who tried to keep silent about errors, because of those who provided incorrect data, because of those who did not want to change anything in their cozy little world full of corruption.

    And now, when the real problems of mobilization have surfaced, when the state's UNPREPAREDNESS for the current situation has been revealed, you continue to shout that everything is fine. In fact, ignoring the current reality now means letting the Ukrainians and their Washington masters kill as many Russians as possible. Are you fighting on the side of Ukraine?

    The current mobilization is not only being carried out badly, but also
    1. It is being carried out with a great delay.
    2. Conducted on an insufficient scale. I have already written above that in order to defeat the Ukrainian army in the current conditions, about a million active personnel trained in combat operations are needed. And I CAN'T understand why not now mobilize, for example, 600-800 thousand, of which 300 thousand will be sent to the combat zone, and the rest will be sent to military courses lasting 4-6 months. So the state will have a strategic reserve of 300-500 thousand COMBAT-ready troops, which is NOT available now.
    Moreover, these measures should have been taken even BEFORE the start of the special operation, but this was not done. And this is an indicator of the level of incompetence of the military leadership responsible for the strategic plans of the special operation.

    3-6 months for military courses as in we were lied to that 2 weeks was all that was needed and lied again that 300k would get involved but it was 200k instead? They keep getting more equipment and might do more massive counteroffensives and they might end up eventually reaching Moscow at this rate. Just when I thought the humiliating torture was about to end in 2 weeks of getting shitted on by western media, suddenly it begins to extend. angry
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    Post  franco Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:52 pm

    I find it very hard to believe that the Russian army has bureaucratic problems and corruption.affraid That would make them the only big organization in the world to have these problems. Shocked

    Dumb-ass attack

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    Post  Azi Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:01 pm

    Isos wrote:Fighter bomber from telegram who is a russian guy with friends in the air force, I'm not sure he is not a former pilot, said that half of the crews of a su-34 squadron in Crimea have been shot down.

    And they barely use this plane since most of the work is done by su-25.

    That's fucking too much. Its RCS is so huge that its ECM can't hide it. And they are going against soviet made equipement against which they are trained.

    Su-57 is needed in a special bomber variant with no fancy radars and OLS to keep the price down and stealthier since ols and radar are two good reflectors.
    A half squadron is only 6 bombers...that's no too much compared to the length of conflict.

    I doubt that Su-25 has a smaller RCS than Su-34, it should be otherwise!

    The problem is they use the Su-34 in the wrong role! Since April they haven't really taken out any ukranian AD systems anymore...I don't know why. Maybe complete incompetence?! Or most likely the russian anti-radiation-missiles suck extreme? Most likely!
    This is amazing. Actually, no system should exist anymore and Russia should have pure air dominance!!! The had many An-2 prepared as fake targets for AD...never used them.

    So instead bombing from above 5 km the Su-34 attacks in a deep dive under 100 m height and gets regularly smashed by manpads. At this point in the war, no Su-34 should fly less than 5 km and therefore none should be shot down. In addition, strategic bombers should operate freely over Ukraine.

    If Russia had air dominance in Ukraine, then Ukraine would not have been able to carry out its counter-offensives and now much higher losses of its troops. Let that sink in!

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    Post  Ispan Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:04 pm

    A summary of the last three days, I was busy and sick and couldn't update the journal

    it has also an interesting summary of the current condition of the Ukrainian army from inside sources

    https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2022/10/06/noticias-de-la-guerra-04-al-06-10-2022/

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:13 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:
    Isos wrote:Fighter bomber from telegram who is a russian guy with friends in the air force, I'm not sure he is not a former pilot, said that half of the crews of a su-34 squadron in Crimea have been shot down.

    And they barely use this plane since most of the work is done by su-25.

    That's fucking too much. Its RCS is so huge that its ECM can't hide it. And they are going against soviet made equipement against which they are trained.
    Post a link or shut up. Since, i also follow his channel, I'm pretty sure that he never said it. 
    How far can a person go to prove that they are right?

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    Post  Isos Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:21 pm

    Did not know that you have more knowledge about it's combat effectiveness than the Russian MoD and Sukhoi themselves.

    But then again, you are the type of guy that believes no Mi-28 are not in use and heliborne Anti-Tank tasks are not performed with Vikhr, Ataka, Window-widow, Khrizantema and all the other toys. Even tho I already know that my words are wasted on you, evident from the fact that you ignore what FP, Podlodka, Garry and others have said.

    They agree with me since they don't send them far away. They mainly use guided missiles from time to time to be safe.

    The aircraft is advertized as a bomver that can go in enemy territory yet it gets destroyed as soon as it fall in range of a AD system.


    Ukros are running tanks and even HIMARS during the day on the front. Mi-28 role is to carry 16 athm and destroy any vehicle that it sees.

    Just send it above friendly forces and destroy vehicles from 8km away. I don't see what is complicated.
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    Post  0nillie0 Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:41 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Did not know that you have more knowledge about it's combat effectiveness than the Russian MoD and Sukhoi themselves.

    But then again, you are the type of guy that believes no Mi-28 are not in use and heliborne Anti-Tank tasks are not performed with Vikhr, Ataka, Window-widow, Khrizantema and all the other toys. Even tho I already know that my words are wasted on you, evident from the fact that you ignore what FP, Podlodka, Garry and others have said.

    They agree with me since they don't send them far away. They mainly use guided missiles from time to time to be safe.

    The aircraft is advertized as a bomver that can go in enemy territory yet it gets destroyed as soon as it fall in range of a AD system.


    Ukros are running tanks and even HIMARS during the day on the front. Mi-28 role is to carry 16 athm and destroy any vehicle that it sees.

    Just send it above friendly forces and destroy vehicles from 8km away. I don't see what is complicated.

    Europe has ran out of Soviet tanks and the US is having to expand production of HIMARS simply to sustain Ukrainian need, altough they wont say it that way. The simple explanation for this is because they are getting destroyed and damaged on the field.
    Just because you have a recurring wet dream of Russian bombers soaring high in the sky dropping bombs on Ukraine, does not mean the RuMod should make it their nr. 1 priority to materialize this for you.

    This isnt some Middle Eastern like shithole nobody in the West gives a crap about (yet). NATO has its eyes on every inch of Ukraine, Western Russia and all the sky above it. There will come a time when you get to blow your load, but untill then you must endure the foreplay and stop complaining.

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