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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
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I don't think the UA can put so many troops like one million into service . Because of mass exodus of refugees of 10 million external and 5 million internal refugees , and because supplies are being intercepted at borders and some Road and Rail is being hit and because any mass movement can be intercepted by air power and Bridges downed to trap them . I think the best they could do , is this 50,000 light infantry , they are throwing into the front . Why not throw more , if they have them ? While the Russians are in " retreat ? " Although locally or perhaps psychologically effective , this is not going to change the outcome of the war . Must admit that they have determination , still making advances , despite loosing so many . Driven by nationalistic fever no doubt . Shows the importance of manpower , as contrasted with machine power . No doubt the Russian soldiers are brave too , but just not stupid . If they keep their spirits high , and not let these " victories " , disheartening as they may be demoralize them . Waiting for reserves , means burden and risk is shared by greater numbers . It is fairer for all . There is safety in numbers . Their feelings are natural to have .
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
SeigSoloyvov Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:13 pm
nomadski wrote:I don't think the UA can put so many troops like one million into service . Because of mass exodus of refugees of 10 million external and 5 million internal refugees , and because supplies are being intercepted at borders and some Road and Rail is being hit and because any mass movement can be intercepted by air power and Bridges downed to trap them . I think the best they could do , is this 50,000 light infantry , they are throwing into the front . Why not throw more , if they have them ? While the Russians are in " retreat ? " Although locally or perhaps psychologically effective , this is not going to change the outcome of the war . Must admit that they have determination , still making advances , despite loosing so many . Driven by nationalistic fever no doubt . Shows the importance of manpower , as contrasted with machine power . No doubt the Russian soldiers are brave too , but just not stupid . If they keep their spirits high , and not let these " victories " , disheartening as they may be demoralize them . Waiting for reserves , means burden and risk is shared by greater numbers . It is fairer for all . There is safety in numbers . Their feelings are natural to have .
Russia not intercepting supplies at the borders, nor are they destroying the rail network or collapsing bridges, this is completely made up on your end.
And Events have shown Ukraine can move around massive amounts of forces with ease.
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Several sources in the US have telegraphed the US response to a use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine: an immediate sinking of the entire Black Sea fleet and destruction of all port facilities and the "destruction", presumable using NATO airpower, of all Russian forces in Ukraine. One would guess such a response would cause a nuclear counterstrike against NATO airfields in Poland and Romania and attacks on NATO surface naval assets.
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old news carl.
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calripson wrote:Several sources in the US have telegraphed the US response to a use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine: an immediate sinking of the entire Black Sea fleet and destruction of all port facilities and the "destruction", presumable using NATO airpower, of all Russian forces in Ukraine. One would guess such a response would cause a nuclear counterstrike against NATO airfields in Poland and Romania and attacks on NATO surface naval assets.
More then that... "After us, silence"
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
Podlodka77 Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:24 pm
SeigSoloyvov wrote:nomadski wrote:I don't think the UA can put so many troops like one million into service . Because of mass exodus of refugees of 10 million external and 5 million internal refugees , and because supplies are being intercepted at borders and some Road and Rail is being hit and because any mass movement can be intercepted by air power and Bridges downed to trap them . I think the best they could do , is this 50,000 light infantry , they are throwing into the front . Why not throw more , if they have them ? While the Russians are in " retreat ? " Although locally or perhaps psychologically effective , this is not going to change the outcome of the war . Must admit that they have determination , still making advances , despite loosing so many . Driven by nationalistic fever no doubt . Shows the importance of manpower , as contrasted with machine power . No doubt the Russian soldiers are brave too , but just not stupid . If they keep their spirits high , and not let these " victories " , disheartening as they may be demoralize them . Waiting for reserves , means burden and risk is shared by greater numbers . It is fairer for all . There is safety in numbers . Their feelings are natural to have .
Russia not intercepting supplies at the borders, nor are they destroying the rail network or collapsing bridges, this is completely made up on your end.
And Events have shown Ukraine can move around massive amounts of forces with ease.
They don't have enough strategists, I think they should look for them here - it's high time and survival is at stake.
I see that you are promising, I'm surprised that neither NATO nor Russia hired you.
It's a shame to waste such talent.
And new video from BB
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calripson wrote:Several sources in the US have telegraphed the US response to a use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine: an immediate sinking of the entire Black Sea fleet and destruction of all port facilities and the "destruction", presumable using NATO airpower, of all Russian forces in Ukraine. One would guess such a response would cause a nuclear counterstrike against NATO airfields in Poland and Romania and attacks on NATO surface naval assets.
Lol
Such attack would be responded by wipping out UK, Poland and the US pacific island from the earth.
There is no sign of russian willing to use nuks in ukraine.
Nato is threatening because they know this won't happen so they are safe to say any dumb thing that comes to their mind to look big and powerful.
If Russia uses them they will do nothing.
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What are the various types of Rocket Artillery that Russia has deployed so far?
I would want to see a Ramjet powered TORNADO MLRS in the near future.
I would want to see a Ramjet powered TORNADO MLRS in the near future.
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calripson wrote:Several sources in the US have telegraphed the US response to a use of tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine: an immediate sinking of the entire Black Sea fleet and destruction of all port facilities and the "destruction", presumable using NATO airpower, of all Russian forces in Ukraine. One would guess such a response would cause a nuclear counterstrike against NATO airfields in Poland and Romania and attacks on NATO surface naval assets.
If the Americunts did that then Russia should nuke Washington.
Europe and the FSU are none of the business of those transsexual satans.
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Backman wrote:Mark Sleboda said that Russia has a million man active duty military. What does that mean ?
How many soldiers does Russia have who's full time job is the military ?
1 - actual numbers are not available
2 - present authorized numbers are ~1,013,000
3 - end of 2021 probably around 50-60,000 short of this figure
4 - new authorized numbers for January 2023 is ~1,150,000
5 - this numbers include office cadets (61,000) and
6 - ~228,000 conscripts, who are not allowed to fight or even go into the SMO zone
So actual numbers available for combat are not that high...
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
SeigSoloyvov Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:36 pm
Podlodka77 wrote:SeigSoloyvov wrote:nomadski wrote:I don't think the UA can put so many troops like one million into service . Because of mass exodus of refugees of 10 million external and 5 million internal refugees , and because supplies are being intercepted at borders and some Road and Rail is being hit and because any mass movement can be intercepted by air power and Bridges downed to trap them . I think the best they could do , is this 50,000 light infantry , they are throwing into the front . Why not throw more , if they have them ? While the Russians are in " retreat ? " Although locally or perhaps psychologically effective , this is not going to change the outcome of the war . Must admit that they have determination , still making advances , despite loosing so many . Driven by nationalistic fever no doubt . Shows the importance of manpower , as contrasted with machine power . No doubt the Russian soldiers are brave too , but just not stupid . If they keep their spirits high , and not let these " victories " , disheartening as they may be demoralize them . Waiting for reserves , means burden and risk is shared by greater numbers . It is fairer for all . There is safety in numbers . Their feelings are natural to have .
Russia not intercepting supplies at the borders, nor are they destroying the rail network or collapsing bridges, this is completely made up on your end.
And Events have shown Ukraine can move around massive amounts of forces with ease.
They don't have enough strategists, I think they should look for them here - it's high time and survival is at stake.
I see that you are promising, I'm surprised that neither NATO nor Russia hired you.
It's a shame to waste such talent.
And new video from BB
-sigh-
None of what you said nor your video proves what I said was inaccurate. In fact, it had nothing to do what I said
If your going to throw your child like temper tantrums, do not respond.
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Regular wrote:Backman wrote:
I disagree. They have a whole country hostage. They are hiring all over the world for $2000 a day. That for a lot of brainwashed retards is enough. I don't think anyone should count on them running out.
2000 usd a day? That’s maybe for very niche specialists in the AD who operate NASAMS or Iris, but cannon fodder gets paid waaaaaay less. ...
Who said they will gonna be paid out?
You can't hand in the check if you are minced meat.
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franco wrote:Backman wrote:Mark Sleboda said that Russia has a million man active duty military. What does that mean ?
How many soldiers does Russia have who's full time job is the military ?
1 - actual numbers are not available
2 - present authorized numbers are ~1,013,000
3 - end of 2021 probably around 50-60,000 short of this figure
4 - new authorized numbers for January 2023 is ~1,150,000
5 - this numbers include office cadets (61,000) and
6 - ~228,000 conscripts, who are not allowed to fight or even go into the SMO zone
So actual numbers available for combat are not that high...
So give or take 700,000 full time soldiers ?
Isn't the point of having a full time military similar to a fire department? When a fire starts, you activate the military to put it out?
Out of a million, how could there possibly be lack of available men for combat? Or do most of these men have to stay put in case China and N/Korea invade Russia ? Or Canada invades Russia over the north. Thats ridiculous.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
SeigSoloyvov Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:45 pm
Backman wrote:franco wrote:Backman wrote:Mark Sleboda said that Russia has a million man active duty military. What does that mean ?
How many soldiers does Russia have who's full time job is the military ?
1 - actual numbers are not available
2 - present authorized numbers are ~1,013,000
3 - end of 2021 probably around 50-60,000 short of this figure
4 - new authorized numbers for January 2023 is ~1,150,000
5 - this numbers include office cadets (61,000) and
6 - ~228,000 conscripts, who are not allowed to fight or even go into the SMO zone
So actual numbers available for combat are not that high...
So give or take 700,000 full time soldiers ?
Isn't the point of having a full time military similar to a fire department? When a fire starts, you activate the military to put it out?
Out of a million, how could there possibly be lack of available men for combat? Or do most of these men have to stay put in case China and N/Korea invade Russia ? Or Canada invades Russia over the north. Thats ridiculous.
Well its not normally if someone is preparing for a war against you, you will notice months in advance. As they will need to call up millions this will be seen and be like "Well now we gotta call up millions"
It is common for big countries to maintain only small forces in peacetime as keeping hundreds of thousands upon hundreds of thousands of men ready to go at at moment is simple to expensive and pointless.
The problem with the Ukraine war, Russia got cocky and misjudged Ukraine's strength so they never bothered to mobilize beforehand which I said from day 1 was a mistake that would kick them in the ass.
The mistake Russia made wasn't keeping such a massive force online 24/7 it was they didn't mobilize what they needed when they should have.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
Podlodka77 Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:46 pm
Silence, General Seig, you are irrelevant and no one is asking you for anything.
Failure in life cannot be compensated for by playing the role of general in an armchair.
Failure in life cannot be compensated for by playing the role of general in an armchair.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
SeigSoloyvov Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:48 pm
Podlodka77 wrote:Silence, General Seig, you are irrelevant and no one is asking you for anything.
Failure in life cannot be compensated for by playing the role of general in an armchair.
-yawn-
I know you have major anger issues as you have the maturity of a child so I understand why you are so short sighted.
But let me make this simple for you, If you're going to act like a brat who gets pissy someone said something they don't like it's straightforward. Don't open your mouth.
This is the only time, I'll say this to you. Act like a man child, I'll just ignore you.
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Backman wrote:franco wrote:Backman wrote:Mark Sleboda said that Russia has a million man active duty military. What does that mean ?
How many soldiers does Russia have who's full time job is the military ?
1 - actual numbers are not available
2 - present authorized numbers are ~1,013,000
3 - end of 2021 probably around 50-60,000 short of this figure
4 - new authorized numbers for January 2023 is ~1,150,000
5 - this numbers include office cadets (61,000) and
6 - ~228,000 conscripts, who are not allowed to fight or even go into the SMO zone
So actual numbers available for combat are not that high...
So give or take 700,000 full time soldiers ? No, they are all full time just around 700,000 professionals.
Isn't the point of having a full time military similar to a fire department? When a fire starts, you activate the military to put it out?
Out of a million, how could there possibly be lack of available men for combat? Or do most of these men have to stay put in case China and N/Korea invade Russia ? Or Canada invades Russia over the north. Thats ridiculous. So out of that million you actually can only use the 700,000 professionals... how many are actually front line combat is another issue.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
Podlodka77 Mon Oct 03, 2022 6:54 pm
SeigSoloyvov wrote:Podlodka77 wrote:Silence, General Seig, you are irrelevant and no one is asking you for anything.
Failure in life cannot be compensated for by playing the role of general in an armchair.
-yawn-
I know you have major anger issues as you have the maturity of a child so I understand why you are so short sighted.
Anger problem?
And you're doing the same thing again, General, you're curing your own shortcomings by putting the failure in life on others. That's not good for you, General.
Look at the word NOBODY I know it hurts but it's you Seig..
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thegopnik wrote:
Can we redo the 2020 elections (Democrat primaries and presidential elections) here in the US under un supervision too? Maybe that way we could have gotten Tulsi or Bernie. I mean if we are going to redo elections we don't like the outcomes of, and for my money I wouldn't mind doing 2000 over.
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Backman wrote:
So give or take 700,000 full time soldiers ?
Isn't the point of having a full time military similar to a fire department? When a fire starts, you activate the military to put it out?
Out of a million, how could there possibly be lack of available men for combat? Or do most of these men have to stay put in case China and N/Korea invade Russia ? Or Canada invades Russia over the north. Thats ridiculous.
Holly Mary and all the saints, is it REALLY your question and you need to be enlightened?
Most of them are not even the land forces, as those stood at some 320k in total pre 240222.
Russkies have more army branches than most of the countries on the planet.
Only units assigned to secure the nuclear facilities are more than 100k strong.
How do you consider a railroad troops to be "available men for combat", in your opinion?
Special guard units tasked for nuclear forces security? A Jars division should be stripped off you think? No anti-sabotage assistance and coverage while on the march? Nobody to guard missiles silos?
Military constructors, who erase the buildings now in Mariopol and Volnovacha - change the excavators for tanks, yup?
Military academies staff should be in tranches, right?
And the navy, too? Decimate the ships crews, give the AK to cooks, machine room crew, and ask them to war cry "uraaaaa!"?
Behind the back of each and any pilot crew, there are some 5 technicians who make the plane running - they should dig the tranches in the first line?
How about space forces? The cadre busy with EW, satellite coverage, technical maintenance of the long list of military objects used for space surveillance, communication, monitoring, and targeting - put some vests on them, and ask to make banzai charges?
That should work!
Sometimes I really stand with my jaw dropped seeing like people who have a fuckin' issue with an understanding of the core things that run the military forces are posing experts and trying to lecture the general staff
You have no shame.
Here you have some interesting footage :
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/65982
This is how "successful offensive" is looking in reality, and this is what was talking about ie. Liman.
They strike&punch emptiness.
Being decimated on the run, in the process, and on the retreat.
Twitter victories are covered with the blood of thousands of freshly mobilized cannon fodder in late 40s.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
flamming_python Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:43 pm
SeigSoloyvov wrote:Backman wrote:franco wrote:Backman wrote:Mark Sleboda said that Russia has a million man active duty military. What does that mean ?
How many soldiers does Russia have who's full time job is the military ?
1 - actual numbers are not available
2 - present authorized numbers are ~1,013,000
3 - end of 2021 probably around 50-60,000 short of this figure
4 - new authorized numbers for January 2023 is ~1,150,000
5 - this numbers include office cadets (61,000) and
6 - ~228,000 conscripts, who are not allowed to fight or even go into the SMO zone
So actual numbers available for combat are not that high...
So give or take 700,000 full time soldiers ?
Isn't the point of having a full time military similar to a fire department? When a fire starts, you activate the military to put it out?
Out of a million, how could there possibly be lack of available men for combat? Or do most of these men have to stay put in case China and N/Korea invade Russia ? Or Canada invades Russia over the north. Thats ridiculous.
Well its not normally if someone is preparing for a war against you, you will notice months in advance. As they will need to call up millions this will be seen and be like "Well now we gotta call up millions"
It is common for big countries to maintain only small forces in peacetime as keeping hundreds of thousands upon hundreds of thousands of men ready to go at at moment is simple to expensive and pointless.
The problem with the Ukraine war, Russia got cocky and misjudged Ukraine's strength so they never bothered to mobilize beforehand which I said from day 1 was a mistake that would kick them in the ass.
The mistake Russia made wasn't keeping such a massive force online 24/7 it was they didn't mobilize what they needed when they should have.
Russia was making a gamble. They tried to split the leadership in Kiev, make deals, get the army to defect, etc... all to no avail.
Then it tried the diplomatic route. That again was a failure.
What the Russian leadership really misjudged was the West's resolve to destroy Russia and sacrifice every Ukrainian with the aim of doing so. The Ukraine is not acting on its own, nor surviving on its own if you can call it that. In fact at this stage it's nothing more than a Frankenstein monstrosity being animated by various electric cables and electrodes. The resolve of its people or army or whatever is subject chiefly to the will of the West and its propaganda arms - who are able to convince a gullible, desperate population of any feel-good fable they fancy; as they have been even before the war for the last 8 years in fact - as the Ukraine rode head-first into de-industrialization, itinerant labour and became the poorest country in Europe.
All the Ukraine provides itself today is manpower and the barest of ammo and fuel it can scrape up. Everything else is brought in, including finances. And now increasingly fighters are brought in as well.
I spoke months ago about Russian mobilizations probably coming sooner or later. As they would be necessary to expand the army given the possible entrance of NATO into the conflict.
It surprised me when they were announced, as I thought the danger had passed by this time. Evidently not however.
But mobilization is not so much necessary to destroy Ukrainian forces by themselves. As has been postulated previously, the pre-war Ukrainian force has already been mostly destroyed, along with what they mobilized initially. Mostly they have various Teroborona left, some surviving brigades around Odessa, Western Ukraine and Kiev, and this new NATO trained force which has a lot of mercs involved in it as well, probably officers and contract servicemen from NATO states that volunteered as well.
This is what mobilization is needed for. As NATO involvement is only set to expand. While Russia both needs to expand its army, and give more of its reserves combat experience.
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thegopnik wrote:
Muskrat misunderstands many things. Or rather he point blank refuses to even LOOK at them. Here's some.
Overwhelmingly you can't have "free elections" when the American installed Fascists terrorise the population. Nor can you have them when for 8 yrs the Russian speaking parties, media and langauge were effectively or outright banned.
According to Muskrat Kharkov, Odessa, Kiev and chunks of the other 4 oblasts remain under Nazi control? Yeah right... he's smoking really strong gear today. Putin does Russia, Muskrat can do daft electric cars from mega taxpayer swindles. Putin doesn't make cars. And S African ignoramuses shouldn't attempt FSU politics when they know **** all on the topic.
The Pukraine had 30 yrs to show fair play. It only showed pure evil. And now justice must prevail. All a bit much for Muskrat to understand. So he needs to shut his Nazi collaborating arse.
So the cesspool of Naziland has another 8 yrs to rebuild, develop nukes, buy F35s etc, brainwash, ethnically cleanse and terrorise the rest of the population. Muskrat can go suck cock.
The Pukraine has forfeited any rights it claimed to have. Much as Nazi Germany did.
Russia tried agreements for many years. But agreements only work with gentlemen not scum.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27
flamming_python Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:58 pm
thegopnik wrote:
Actually it's not a bad proposal if there is an assurance that the Ukraine won't be armed up again and really does remain neutral
But the referendums would be impossible to redo impartially and fairly in any case
Nor can the UN be trusted to be objective
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