Russian special military operation in Ukraine #27

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Krasny Lyman front:

Z forces retook control over Vesela Dolyna village & the eastern trenches of Zaitseve.


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RUAF Su 25 on Herson front


-- GEROMAN -- time will tell - --
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#Russia #Ukraine #Bakhmut Front
RF is moving along the whole southern axis towards Bakhmut / Artyomovsk


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During the night hours, Ukrainian air defenses shot down two Geran-2 drones in the Odessa region. According to some reports, Geran-2 barraging munitions destroyed the headquarters of the Operational Command South in the center of Odessa.


The Iranians make minced meat ...
10,000 of them and NATO can get up from the table. You have nothing that helps.

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In Kharkiv Oblast, Russian Armed Forces carried out strikes with Geran-2 barrage munitions against military facilities in the Osnovyanskyi district of Kharkiv.

The Ukrainians on social media have used screenshots from the Himars interception (above video) as proof of Shahed-Geran-2 shootdowns. First screenshot is Russian and second Ukrainian
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/9934?single

you guys think there is a good chance elon would browse this forum?

Alexander Khodakovsky stepping on too many toes lately. I really hope bastards don't go after him.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif/2424

Clouds are gathering over the layer that has settled in the top of the army supply. So many facts of the transformation of the army into a private commercial shop are being revealed that a lot of people will not be greeted .... Even the grassroots generals are on their hind legs with a demand to remove all supply add-ons - namely, they are trying to make the grassroots activists guilty of the problems that the special operation revealed. For the sake of one opportunity to start the process of recovery of such a powerful machine as the army, it was worth starting a special operation.

Kiko wrote:

This would be outstandingly generous statement

They completely fucked up first month of the war and jury is still out on what exactly they are doing now

You've already pushed for the sacking of Dmitry Rogozin. Is it now Sergey Shoigu's turn?

Of course not, he never contradicted Russian Academy of Sciences

In the topic of drones, There really isn't a problem with Russia using cheap Shahed 136 drones. In the case of drones quantity defeats quality. The more you have flying around hunting and taking out targets, who cares if you lose some drones, that's why they are cheap easy to replace

caveat emptor wrote:Some observations made by Andrei Kartapolov:

https://t.me/milinfolive/91449

"Many questions to the command of the Aerospace Forces, questions to the main intelligence department of the General Staff."  Andrei Kartapolov, Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, criticized the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.  He stated that the main problem of the army is the weak intelligence work, which is subordinate to the General Staff.

 “Our main problem today is reconnaissance means.  Not forces, but precisely reconnaissance means that would make it possible to discover enemy targets in the full depth.  Its operational structure, strategic depth,” explained Kartapolov.

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/28081

You need to stop lying.  We have talked about this many times.  But somehow it does not reach individual leaders.  I read the reports of the Soviet Information Bureau for 1941, when the Germans broke through to Moscow.  They openly said that somewhere we were retreating.  But in every report they said that so-and-so's brigade did this, our pilots destroyed so-and-so, our losses were so-and-so.  And people understood the danger, they knew that the enemy was on our land.  Now, too, the enemy is on our land.  All border villages of the Belgorod region are practically destroyed.  We learn this from anyone - from governors and military correspondents.  But the reports of the Ministry of Defense do not change.  The people know.  Our people are not stupid.  And he sees that they do not want to tell him even a part of the truth.  This can lead to loss of credibility.

Andrei Kartapolov, Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, Colonel General, on the Soloviev Live TV channel

@FP Maskirovka?!

No he is pointing out genuine problems.

Although it would benefit you to read what he's actually saying

You'll note he makes no mention of disastrous retreats and crippling manpower problems, mobilizations held too late, miscommunications between field commanders or crappy Su-34s.

He refers to specifically subpar reconnaissance methods in identifying enemy targets (he could be refering to enemy build-ups/offensives but the use of the 'targets' word might suggest something else).
He also criticizes the propaganda tactics of the MoD in that they are losing credibility because they are not informing the public of the full picture; e.g. Ukrainian strikes against Russian border areas. He refers to retreats in 1941 but he is not criticizing any retreats or the practice of retreating one way or the other. He is criticizing specifically the MoD practice of not reporting the situation in full.

And that's it. That's all he said per this post. Carry on

Azi wrote:

Isos wrote:Fighter bomber from telegram who is a russian guy with friends in the air force, I'm not sure he is not a former pilot, said that half of the crews of a su-34 squadron in Crimea have been shot down.

And they barely use this plane since most of the work is done by su-25.

That's fucking too much. Its RCS is so huge that its ECM can't hide it. And they are going against soviet made equipement against which they are trained.

Su-57 is needed in a special bomber variant with no fancy radars and OLS to keep the price down and stealthier since ols and radar are two good reflectors.

A half squadron is only 6 bombers...that's no too much compared to the length of conflict.

I doubt that Su-25 has a smaller RCS than Su-34, it should be otherwise!

The problem is they use the Su-34 in the wrong role! Since April they haven't really taken out any ukranian AD systems anymore...I don't know why. Maybe complete incompetence?! Or most likely the russian anti-radiation-missiles suck extreme? Most likely!
This is amazing. Actually, no system should exist anymore and Russia should have pure air dominance!!! The had many An-2 prepared as fake targets for AD...never used them.

So instead bombing from above 5 km the Su-34 attacks in a deep dive under 100 m height and gets regularly smashed by manpads. At this point in the war, no Su-34 should fly less than 5 km and therefore none should be shot down. In addition, strategic bombers should operate freely over Ukraine.

If Russia had air dominance in Ukraine, then Ukraine would not have been able to carry out its counter-offensives and now much higher losses of its troops. Let that sink in!

Are you for real?

No air defence system should exist anymore lol

Says who, hmm?
What help are anti-radiation missiles if these enemy systems don't switch their radar on? If instead they get targeting data and radar data from Uncle Sam and various AWACS, radars near the western borders of Ukraine?
If Turkey, Czech Republic, Poland, Romania all have ground based radars and they're linked into one big happy NATO network?

Russian aircraft, the same Isos-damned Su-34s in fact, have been filmed launching anti-radiation missiles earlier in the conflict
And similar Isos-damned Iskanders have taken out Ukrainian S-300 systems in precision strikes right on the first night of the conflict
There is even a video from the first couple of days where a Russian Mi-24 in a low-altitide approach destroys a Ukrainian AD system on a road of some description.

Nevertheless all the destructive means in the world are for naught if you can't find the target.
Against aircraft, the Ukrainians have the British Starstreak system in operation now, which doesn't rely on radar and although it has it's disadvantages, it's certainly more effective than the Stinger MANPADS which proved themselves feeble. Meaning that Russian helicopters have to be more careful with their approaches and preferably stay at range unless attacking mobile advancing enemy forces; as the Starstreak is only a semi-mobile and ambush system it looks like.

Most Ukrainian AD is already out. But you don't want to risk your aircraft by getting ambushed by the remaining ones. Better to be patient and wait for info to come in, or for the systems to reveal themselves through negligence for example.

PhSt wrote:I've read posts made by sundoesntrise from several weeks ago to the present and its quite interesting how his narrative changed from initially  being pro Russian to rabid anti Russian that stinks of NATzO propaganda.

Another thing to take note is this bot's sudden active status, as if the sleeper account has been activated by command to spread disinformation and persuade readers to adhere to NATzO narratives in this war.

sundoesntrise wrote:
Yes, that's why they are now publicly undercutting Russia's effort, and have yet to supply a single cent, bullet or piece of sanctioned material to the Russians, instead squeezing out the Russians in terms of trade deals and security guarantees.

You talk as if you are stating facts, so similar to how NATzO create their own realities with such bullshit commentaries

sundoesntrise wrote:
And don't say it hasn't happened before, unlikely as it may seem. The US has engineered Sino-Soviet splits before, with the same Heinz Kissinger as the main protagonist. What did he promise them back then again?

Did the US sponsored Hong Kong and Taiwanese separatism back then? Did the US led an antagonistic block like the so called QUAD back in the day? You think the Chinese are stupid to trust whatever Kissinger "promises" them? You think you know Chinese mentality? Are you even Chinese? I used to live next door to China before and the Chinese are not a bunch of Idiots who will fall for such pathetic deception

sundoesntrise wrote:
It's getting confusing in here now, ey? Better hold tight to your simpleton worldview of 'neo-cons' and 'multipolarity' unless someone starts shaking that tableeeee.

You always have to invent something about how other people react to your Bullshit just so you will have an argument? You think Russia will just let your slimy NATzO thugs win? Maybe in your dreams

If Russia is not successful in liberating Pukraine, the Baltics, Finland and the rest of the former Soviet republics, then I hope they initiate a nuclear war against all of NATzO. A draw is always a better outcome than defeat. I hope you die too in the subsequent nuclear exchange you NATzO troll

Stop pretending Jomar-Reyniel. You love people like me, so that instead of having to talk about Russia's vast string of F ups (on all levels) you can point your short, greasy and brown Jollibee shitstained finger at others and re-direct all that bottled up anger towards The Other, The Outsider, The Dissident.

And ilk of course. Cause you are just a know-nothing simpleton trying to stay in good communion with the ringleaders.

If it weren't for people like me this forum would have become one giant bloodbath already - and that is exactly why the Kremlin assets keep those token voices of Dissent around. So they can orchestrate the usual witchhunts after yet another 'Tactical Regrouping', or 'Sign of Benovelence', or just the usual red line crossed-nothing-happened or diplomatic earwashing. It's so much easier to smear and insult passers-by than to take a good long look in the mirror.

In small numbers of course. Whenever that table starts tilting a little bit too much the suspensions start flying anyway.

And you are damned right in your assessment that you don't understand China. Hell they came over 100 years ago in rather small numbers and established themselves as the economic and cultural elites within a generation - not too surprising once you found out that Pinoys are some of the dumbest people to have ever thread this Earth.

Every global financial tipping comes along with a major war to seal the deal - starting with the first unofficial WRC in the days of the Wisselbank in Amsterdam. Simpletons obviously like to put the horse in front of the cart - but the reality is that the US was chosen (like China is chosen now) to takeover from the British Empire post 1945. Together with the rollout of a completely new security/financialg/geopolitical framework. The next 8 years (switched on people will recognize the year 2030) the same main protagonists will work towards a similar re-location.

Everything else is just theater. The moment the high tech transfer from the US to China stops is the moment I might start taking your babble seriously. Zero pushback from within the US elites ey? The day that the people responsible for purposely de-industrialising the US, sabotaging its energy independence, compromising its national security, openly spying for foreign entities etc etc. get nabbed and put in prison for the rest of their lives is the day you know the game is up.

Won't happen. Well, maybe it will. But right now I don't see many signs of it. There are some flickers, like the bombing of the NS pipeline that show that there are still people serious about preventing the rise of that PanEurasia Superstate as outlaid by MacKinder and adopted by Kissinger and Associates. Overall it's moving into the direction of ENGINEERED collapse with China taking over.

Remember, a cold China-USA war (ie Taiwan blockade) would play right into their hands. Permanent fear mongering which will lead to sped up implementation of (in case of China gold backed) CBDCs/Digital IDs/UN Smart Cities Program, permanent War Powers Act, permanent increased MIC/ R&D subsidy (which can then be 'leaked' to China) permanent restrictions and further curtailed rights, permanent engineered collapse of the USD.


As for Putin, I think he's the real deal. Just surrounded by clowns and a completely ransacked population due to 70 years of communism. Not fake opposition and in bed with the International Banking Cartel like the CCP - even though he was very much handpicked by Kissinger and associates. He chimped out, for whatever reason. They are currently putting him back in his place and we can all see how powerful the US is if the sold out elites ruling it let it loose.

Fact is, nobody likes losers, whiners and bullshitters. And let me tell you something, there is a lot of bullshit, losing, and whining coming out of Russia right now. So don't blame people for not supporting losers. Instead focus on yourself and start winning again cause even your main propagandists are now starting to question things

Mr. Solovyev on the current state of the Russian military.

https://mobile.twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1577961655992041472

flamming_python wrote:

And that's it. That's all he said per this post. Carry on

I will only add, that the guy is in a position where he carries part of the responsibilities here.
So he is shooting his own feet - Duma defence committee is an organ responsible to investigate the issues brought to light, as a civilian supervisor of armored forces.
The same structure operates in most civilized countries, and no matter how funny that sounds, are a great source of intel data
It is nothing else than Congress defence body that makes a memes of the US power structures on a regular manner.
Without that, nobody would never knew that they have fired a new coastal guard admiral in chief after two weeks, as he revealed that one of two icebreakers is non functional, and Ebay antique section is a source of spare parts. While the other only left technical condition is so great, that it will break down on the route, next to Russkie territorial waters, and they will have to cry for help there
And that is only one of examples of a pure gold one can dig from this sessions, if watching those.

flamming_python wrote:
Are you for real?

Oh sure he is, just the same way as any other of this admirals sofa

flamming_python wrote:
Says who, hmm?
What help are anti-radiation missiles if these enemy systems don't switch their radar on? If instead they get targeting data and radar data from Uncle Sam and various AWACS, radars near the western borders of Ukraine?
If Turkey, Czech Republic, Poland, Romania all have ground based radars and they're linked into one big happy NATO network?

Not even that.
The recon measures NATO can expand at the Ukro borders do not cover the eastern part where the situation is going. Ukraine is a bloody huge country, and those planes are not even close to its boarders.
The most effective asset proved to be Buk, as it can operate a passive TV channel. It is not a coincidence that most of the losses are in a daylight, while the aviation carries strikes round the clock. Old Buk-M1 cant operate passively at night.
There are hardly any successes of S-300 of Ukrainian origin other than pictures hitting own apartment blocks when failed, or nicely burning on the side of the road.

Edit : I have just reminded myself, that Ukrs used to have some decent potential for servicing and upgrading Buk. Georgian ones were morednized by them, and made an unpleasant surprise in 080808. I will try to dig a bit into that, but it is possible that they could seriously increase the passive operation potential of own M1s.

: — 3 Members of United States House of Representatives for the Democratic Party introduced a bill to pull out all United States Missile defense systems and US Army troops from the Kingdoms of Saudi Arabia & UAE after the Arab Gulf countries backed OPEC+ oil cuts, which the American Government understand would favor Russia economically.

2 su 30sm's carry out attacks in Luhansk. https://t.me/intelslava/38484 Things are picking up a little bit

October 7, 07:55
Military operation in Ukraine

WSJ: Kiev asks US to supply ATACMS missiles for strikes on Crimea
According to the publication, Washington refuses to supply

NEW YORK, October 7th. /TASS/. Ukraine is asking the United States to supply long-range weapons, including ATACMS (Army Tactical Missile System) missiles. Kiev needs them in order to hit the territory of Russia and, in particular, the Crimea, Washington refuses to supply. This was reported by The Wall Street Journal on Thursday, citing US officials and representatives of Congress.
"The reason we don't provide them with these weapons is because we don't agree with strikes against Crimea," an unnamed US congressional official told the publication.
Ukrainian officials urged US lawmakers that the missiles were needed to strike a supposed drone base in Crimea.

Meanwhile, according to the newspaper, US officials believe that Kiev does not need long-range missiles at this stage of the conflict. If given to Ukraine, they fear, Moscow could see such a move as an escalation. In addition, the US administration, according to the interlocutors of the publication, does not want to supply Ukraine with ATACMS missiles, fearing the depletion of its own stocks. White House officials have told members of the Senate and House of Representatives that deliveries of missiles to Ukraine could undermine the "combat readiness of the military" of the United States.

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/15982787

thegopnik wrote:: — 3 Members of United States House of Representatives for the Democratic Party introduced a bill to pull out all United States Missile defense systems and US Army troops from the Kingdoms of Saudi Arabia & UAE after the Arab Gulf countries backed OPEC+ oil cuts, which the American Government understand would favor Russia economically.

Nice. A good opportunity for Russia to contract out their S-400/S-500 systems together with their crews. Good money to be made.

Big_Gazza wrote:
Nice.  A good opportunity for Russia to contract out their S-400/S-500 systems together with their crews.  Good money to be made.

... and politely ask Iranians to stop kabooming silo&pumping stations for a moment, to let the Saudis soak with a feeling that they are so well defended that can dump $ evaluated oil contracts

thegopnik wrote:: — 3 Members of United States House of Representatives for the Democratic Party introduced a bill to pull out all United States Missile defense systems and US Army troops from the Kingdoms of Saudi Arabia & UAE after the Arab Gulf countries backed OPEC+ oil cuts, which the American Government understand would favor Russia economically.

Go ahead, please. 

 They´re digging deeper and deeper. 


ZEUS (not the Russel Crowe version )

Hole wrote:
 They´re digging deeper and deeper. 

Who is old enough to remember plastic palm trees and CNN staff pretending to be under Scud fire in Riyad?

ALAMO wrote:

Hole wrote:
 They´re digging deeper and deeper. 

Who is old enough to remember plastic palm trees and CNN staff pretending to be under Scud fire in Riyad?

Enjoy. . . .

https://youtu.be/dpkJ_OzOFmY

Pure gold

Classy western journalism at its best, and before it became fashionable!

ALAMO wrote:
Who is old enough to remember plastic palm trees and CNN staff pretending to be under Scud fire in Riyad?

The funniest moment for me was when CCN reporter Chris Jayco had a panic attack believing that they were being attacked by Scud missiles armed with nerve agents, frantically trying to put his gas mask on. He probably smelled Wolf Blitzer's fart standing next to him

I see in the video posted that it was some other guy next to him, but yes it was hilarious to see.

ALAMO wrote:Pure gold

Classy western journalism at its best, and before it became fashionable!

Sadly, there was once a much longer clip of those clowns literally making the news up. My favorite, still referenced in an early episode of family guy but lost to the ages on youtube, is of the mustache guy saying he was under fire and then the camera dipped down to show him popping bubble wrap

Firebird, it will be at the time and choosing of Stavka. Now if it were me, I would think November 3 would be a wonderful day for a massive offensive.