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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28

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    Post  Erk Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Such a response will not stop anything.

    No response would have been better. Because it would have left the Damocles Sword of one dangling

    But Israel-style deterrence will not work. Again, Kiev's rulers care neither for their population nor their own underlings. They take their orders from Washington and receive their scripts from PR agencies. They're actors, and only acting as leaders.

    You have to go in and flush them out, or stick to blasting purely military targets

    Sorry, but that's pretty naive.

    You don't go to the expense and effort of mobilizing 300,000+ soldiers just to have them stand around and look pretty.

    Russia obviously has something serious planned.

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:08 pm

    Erk wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:Nothing on official media yet, Alamo...

    Lukashenko: “The Crimean bridge (retaliation) will seem like flowers to Zelensky if Ukraine touches at least one meter of Belarus with its dirty hands.”

    http://t.me/battleinsights

    ⚡Moldova says that three Russian cruise missiles crossed the country's airspace

    http://t.me/battleinsights
    This is exactly what the US wants, to prompt Russia into escalating the conflict, the cash registers at NATO will be running hot.
    Problem is that their capacity to print money is coming to an end.

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    Post  crod Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:09 pm

    Serberus wrote:
    crod wrote:Looks like that could be the end of the fireworks for now. Putin’s statement more or less said the spanking was due to terrorist actions against Russia and such actions again will be met with similar responses…. More or less israeli style.


    I saw the statement, and the follow up comments from Peskov, appears to be exactly that. Got my hopes up for nothing. Another “red line” crossed another limited response. Putins patience for his Ukronazi “brotherly people” who hate Russia with a passion, seems infinite.
    If his pet project bridge getting attacked, isn’t a catalyst for Ukraines total destruction,  nothing will be.

    I an starting to agree with PapaDragon more every day

    It was a pretty big attack and by first accounts, a successful one at that. I’m sure it’s coming, why move all that equipment (staggering the sheer amounts of it) these past few weeks?
    But yes, I too, was hoping to see the Russian machine steam roll in, just not today and if not ready then not ready.
    Papa’s got a lump of flint where his heart should be, heck, the moon is all that would be left if he leaves the world of education and becomes a national leader. Christ on a bike. 😂

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:13 pm

    Erk wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Such a response will not stop anything.

    No response would have been better. Because it would have left the Damocles Sword of one dangling

    But Israel-style deterrence will not work. Again, Kiev's rulers care neither for their population nor their own underlings. They take their orders from Washington and receive their scripts from PR agencies. They're actors, and only acting as leaders.

    You have to go in and flush them out, or stick to blasting purely military targets

    Sorry, but that's pretty naive.

    You don't go to the expense and effort of mobilizing 300,000+ soldiers just to have them stand around and look pretty.

    Russia obviously has something serious planned.

    Could be. We'll see

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:17 pm

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    "Appartement building" in Zaporozhye
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    Can someone ID this missile? Kaliber?

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:18 pm

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    Fact-checkers believe this is what really happened.  Laughing Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:20 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Such a response will not stop anything.
    No response would have been better. Because it would have left the Damocles Sword of one dangling
    But Israel-style deterrence will not work. Again, Kiev's rulers care neither for their population nor their own underlings. They take their orders from Washington and receive their scripts from PR agencies. They're actors, and only acting as leaders.
    You have to go in and flush them out, or stick to blasting purely military targets

    That was the goal bro, just back then in Feb/March.
    Didn't work out, as the level of zombification of regular Ukr is unbelievable.
    As I have said, the generation younger than 30 is simply lost. They have been brainwashed for their entire lives.
    There is some weird cult of "Superslavs" that gained some momentum.
    People like to hear specified things, even if those are utterly stupid.
    In Poland, there are tons of people believing in some mythical "Lechian Empire" that was equal to the Roman and rooted back for 10 000 years or something. They have figured out whole bloody dynasties of emperors&kings Laughing Laughing
    They are considered freaks and morons, mildly speaking, but they love to live in these delusions.
    That reminds me perfectly well of the status of Ukrainians.
    The difference is, that what is considered freaky&crazy here - is an official agenda of the Ukro failed state.
    They REALLY thought the kids of 9000 years of Ukro history.
    They are really talking about digging the Black Sea.
    They are bloody seriously writing the school books, where they talking about most of the Europeans rooting from the mighty Ukraine.
    They have made an official agenda out of authentic madness.
    It is so stupid, that a normal people can't believe in that.
    It jumps out of the box, nobody sane is capable of believing, that a 40 mln people can be fooled to this level.
    Still it is a fact.

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    Post  famschopman Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:24 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Such a response will not stop anything.

    You have to go in and flush them out, or stick to blasting purely military targets

    You need other specialties to flush them out.

    All these actors are definitely not hiding in one of Kiev's government buildings, at least not sitting with a gorgeous view on the trees outside. I strongly doubt Zelinsky is even in Ukraine right now. So, you need to employ the FSB 'Jason Bourne' types of guys to whack them. Carefully planned and executed assassinations. One by one.

    The only thing you achieve by going in with mass force is lots of casualties on both sides without achieving your main target. What the actions of today might do is cause civilians to get upset with the reckless behavior of their government which makes it easier moving forward to execute a reverse style regime change.

    Once they cannot charge their iPhone or watch TikTok anymore, they will start to get really upset and propaganda loses its value. That is the point where you start with subliminal messages pointing out the betrayal of western actors versus opportunity for growth. It's a softer strategic approach but with higher potential than alienating the people.

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:25 pm

    So the dumbasses in Brussels are declaring now that they don´t trust Russias "claims" about the terrorist attack at the Crimean bridge.  Rolling Eyes
    But blocking Russia from taking part in the investigations regarding the pipelines.

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:26 pm

    I strongly doubt Zelinsky is even in Ukraine right now. 
    Some sources claim western embassies in Kiev are closing down. Again. Really weird. All western media tells us that "Ukraine" is winning for months now.  scratch

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    Post  Erk Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:29 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Erk wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Such a response will not stop anything.

    No response would have been better. Because it would have left the Damocles Sword of one dangling

    But Israel-style deterrence will not work. Again, Kiev's rulers care neither for their population nor their own underlings. They take their orders from Washington and receive their scripts from PR agencies. They're actors, and only acting as leaders.

    You have to go in and flush them out, or stick to blasting purely military targets

    Sorry, but that's pretty naive.

    You don't go to the expense and effort of mobilizing 300,000+ soldiers just to have them stand around and look pretty.

    Russia obviously has something serious planned.

    Could be. We'll see
    Russia could be shaping the battlefield by drawing the Ukrainian forces out of the real target, eg. Bakhmut.

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    Post  franco Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:40 pm

    "These guys won't back down"
    Fighters of the Donetsk Republic not only repel enemy attacks, but also achieve success at the front


    In the northern and southern sectors of the front in the area of the SVO in the past weeks, not everything went well. Using flying squad tactics, superior numbers, intelligence data, and modern Western battle management systems, Ukrainian troops were able to launch a counteroffensive. At the same time, in the Donetsk People's Republic, Russian units are not only holding their positions, but also moving forward, liberating one locality after another. About the specifics of the battles in this direction-in the report of Izvestia.
    "They don't even take away bodies"

    In areas of the front where the Russian army did not have a solid defense, the armed formations of Ukraine (VFU) actively use light infantry, whose actions were previously underestimated. The enemy, using mobile detachments on wheeled armored vehicles, actively maneuvers, gropes for weak points in the defense and tries to make quick breakthroughs. The enemy tries to suppress strong strongholds with the help of heavy armored vehicles moving in the second line. This allows the Ukrainian troops to maintain the pace of their advance and keep the defending forces on constant alert, so that they spend resources on fighting the mobile groups that have broken through. This tactic is not only based on NATO's best practices of modern blitzkrieg-it would not have been possible without the widespread use of online command and control systems, starting from the lowest levels. At the moment, this is a fundamentally new level of VFU operations, which was not previously observed during the war.

    But in the DPR, the allied forces not only managed to hold the front line, but are also making progress by conducting offensive operations. This is partly due to the peculiarities of the terrain and the current line of contact. In this area, most of it passes through the places of long-term battles or near them, as well as through populated areas. Fierce battles are going on for every trench and every house, so the VFU cannot implement the strengths of its current tactics — there is simply no space for this.

    Almost all soldiers and commanders at the front in the Donetsk region give another reason. Here, the VFU uses a large number of poorly trained units, throwing them into battle and ignoring losses, using them as barriers to personnel units.

    — This is the umpteenth time we are destroying personnel in this Ukrainian position, they don't even take their bodies, they just send new ones every time, "Said, a commander of one of the DPR army battalions, describes the enemy's actions.

    "They either don't understand where they're going at all, or they're just suicidal," another officer comments on a similar situation with the approach of Ukrainian personnel to the stronghold.

    The third reason for the success of the Allied forces in this area lies in the fact that a significant part of the soldiers near Donetsk are local, many of them have been fighting for many years.

    "These guys won't back down, they won't run. They are not like that, they have a house right behind them, " says the commander of the company "Wolf".

    Some of his positions are located on the old line of defense, where his unit has serious underground shelters, video surveillance and message passages. The other part is the Ukrainian positions captured in the spring, which his soldiers deployed to the West in the opposite direction. Avdiivka is clearly visible in front of them, and Yasinovataya can also be seen behind them with the naked eye.

    At each position — traditionally for Donetsk units — live trench dogs, which are used to shooting and life on the front line. They feel vibrations well and can react to fire. But the main thing is that at night they slightly compensate for the lack of night vision devices and can warn about the approach of the enemy in the dark.

    To date, a number of operations have allowed Donetsk fighters to advance near Avdiivka: fighting is already underway in the development of the village of Pervomaisky, some enemy fortified areas near the Donetsk airport have been taken. On the Artemovsky direction, the village of Zaitsevo has finally been completely liberated. For seven years, it was divided by the front line into two parts, becoming one of the symbols of the heroic resistance of the Gorlovka militia.

    In addition, Donetsk soldiers expect that the winter campaign will be met already as part of the Russian army, with new armored vehicles, weapons and equipment. And of course, the replenishment of personnel after seven months of heavy fighting.

    — Come, guys, there is someone here to teach you everything. It is not difficult to fight, but we learned this, even though we were miners, "the battalion commander "Said" jokes in an appeal to the Russian conscripts.

    According to a number of military personnel in the DPR, the offensive actions of the Ukrainians will lose activity and run out by the beginning of the autumn mudslide, since Western wheeled armored vehicles have become the basis of modern armored vehicles of the Ukrainian army. However, as long as the weather permits, we should expect at least one more major attempt at a counteroffensive, they say.

    At the same time, the worse the weather conditions become, the stronger will be the advantage of the Russian army, which traditionally relies on "tracks". In addition, the training of the mobilized is also actively underway — the introduction of reserves into battle will significantly change the balance of forces on the entire front line.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:45 pm

    Putin may be doing the following because he isn't a nazified zombie like Elensky who signed an executive order to outlaw him negotiatung with Putin:

    1. Blow shit up in a targeted fashion to encourage Zelensky to think about his country and not being a NATO marionette

    2. Attempt to contact him and tell him that Russia can do many thousands of times more than this

    3. Wait for a response all the while building up the 300K

    4. New targeted attacks with final warning

    5. If Zelensky sobers up peace talks begin

    6. If the NATO minders don't let him talk then sometime in early November those 300K now fully trained and prepped go on the offensive and by spring several more regions are gathered back to Russia and the process begins all over again.

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    Post  mr_hd Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:48 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Such a response will not stop anything.

    No response would have been better. Because it would have left the Damocles Sword of one dangling

    But Israel-style deterrence will not work. Again, Kiev's rulers care neither for their population nor their own underlings. They take their orders from Washington and receive their scripts from PR agencies. They're actors, and only acting as leaders.

    You have to go in and flush them out, or stick to blasting purely military targets

    I agree that this response will not achieve much - 0 from military point of view. And Ukraine will use it as very powerful tool - to further demonize Russia internationally as existential aggressor toward itself (and possibly other countries) and to go into Russian collective mind and prove that after all in Ukraine there is huge war ongoing, the largest in Europe since second world war and not some limited military operation as Russian authorities are claiming officially.

    Rulers in Kiev are more independent in their decision making than people here acknowledge - it is not US that makes all moves and even know all cards Ukraine has. As weaker side Ukraine is using two tier fight, one on the battle fields and second behind the lines as cover operations, partisan work, sabotages etc...
    In both tiers it is forced to use very smart, usually low tech strategies in order to be able to stay in the fight since numbers and overall power is on Russian side.

    This second part is very interesting - Russia is huge country, it is almost impossible to make secure all important sights and areas. In addition Ukraine so far was striking here and there, then going into the dark, then striking again new targets but with different approach each time - so there are no good patterns for Russian security forces that could predict and anticipate next move and thus block it.

    So all in all conflict is steadily spiraling more and more and is getting more bloody too. So far nothing good came out of it and it is nowhere near to be over.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:50 pm

    Hole wrote:
    I strongly doubt Zelinsky is even in Ukraine right now. 
    Some sources claim western embassies in Kiev are closing down. Again. Really weird. All western media tells us that "Ukraine" is winning for months now.  scratch

    it's just covic19 hybrid work style lol1 lol1 lol1



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    if it's not true about ancient ukro civilization how would you explain the death mask of Tutankhamun colors? huh  pwnd  pwnd  pwnd  




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    Post  Arrow Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:56 pm

    So today, about 83 cruise missiles flew at the targets.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Oct 10, 2022 1:59 pm

    GunshipDemocracy wrote:
    Hole wrote:
    I strongly doubt Zelinsky is even in Ukraine right now. 
    Some sources claim western embassies in Kiev are closing down. Again. Really weird. All western media tells us that "Ukraine" is winning for months now.  scratch

    it's just covic19 hybrid work style lol1 lol1 lol1



    @ALAMO

    if it's not true about ancient ukro civilization how would you explain the death mask of Tutankhamun colors? huh  pwnd  pwnd  pwnd  




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    I'd love to get the Ukronazis and black nationalists together. That would be a fun party to watch. Ukronazis and Black nationalists seem to have a very fascinating interpretation of history. Black nationalists claim every major human achievement is black, every major historical figure was black, and that blacks built the pyramids by flying with the power of their minds. The only difference is that the black nationalist afrocentric batshit insane view of history is relegated to the fringes of academia in the west while Ukronazi interpretations of history are sponsored by the state in Ukraine.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:10 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Such a response will not stop anything.

    No response would have been better. Because it would have left the Damocles Sword of one dangling

    But Israel-style deterrence will not work. Again, Kiev's rulers care neither for their population nor their own underlings. They take their orders from Washington and receive their scripts from PR agencies. They're actors, and only acting as leaders.

    You have to go in and flush them out, or stick to blasting purely military targets

    Have you considered that the real target of this action was yourself, as a representative the Russian people? A population, from many accounts fired up, demanding some clear punishment on the attackers from their leaders.

    Those leaders, which all of us here are well aware goes way beyond just Putin, are in just as much need for positive PR as we are in the West. They too have a population to keep onside for the inevitably tough, bloody and deadly times ahead.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:14 pm

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    if it's not true about ancient ukro civilization how would you explain the death mask of Tutankhamun colors? huh  pwnd  pwnd  pwnd  


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    King Tut bought it from Ikea... clown

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    Post  Mir Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:17 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Obviously the Ukrainian state-orchestrated terror attack on the Crimean bridge wasn't gonna be left unanswered.

    Don't be harsh to our doomers command, they are mysteriously quiet since the morning Laughing Laughing Laughing
    I must take a bat and make some noise on the cages or something, to wake up the zoo Laughing Laughing

    The first troll just made a BIG move Laughing Laughing Laughing

    The rest will only crawl out when Putin hits his toe against the pavement.

    mr_hd wrote:
    I agree that this response will not achieve much. bla bla bla...

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    Post  Mir Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:18 pm

    Sujoy wrote:For today's strike is Russia using Kh-31 exclusively or are they using other cruise, ballistic missiles as well?

    OMG Sujoy sometimes you can say the weirdest things! What a Face

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    Post  Mir Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:19 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Such a response will not stop anything.

    No response would have been better. Because it would have left the Damocles Sword of one dangling

    But Israel-style deterrence will not work.

    This not the same as an Israeli response - You will not see hundreds or even thousands of civilians killed.
    In fact I would keep on striking them every single night with a couple of missiles - just to keep the nerves going Smile

    Just look at that guy from the BBC - he is not sleeping well at night Laughing Laughing

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    Post  ucmvulcan Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:23 pm

    I feel there is a grand opportunity for trolling here should Moscow want it. They should accuse the Ukronazis of attacking themselves.

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    Post  auslander Mon Oct 10, 2022 2:29 pm

    Do you remember the food blockade of Crimea by Ukraine?

    Do you remember the transport blockade of Crimea?

    Do you remember the bank blockade?

    Do you remember the water blockade?

    Do you remember the energy blockade in the dead of winter?

    Do you remember the sanctions against the cable layer that pulled the energy bridge?

    Do you remember other sanctions against Sevastopol and Krim?

    I remember...

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