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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:50 am

    * 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Explosions in Rovno,

    * 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Kiev, explosions again,

    * 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡In the Kherson region, air defense systems repelled attempts by Ukrainian troops to launch a missile attack on the Antonovsky bridge

    * 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗Explosions reported in Khmelnitsky and Kiev regions

    * 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Russian Navy launched 10 Kalibr missiles from the Black Sea

    * 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Khmelnitsky region and Odessa explosions again


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    Post  famschopman Tue Oct 11, 2022 8:54 am

    mnztr wrote:Hmm apparently the Ukrainians captured a T90M. Is this a pretty recent mod? Bad news?

    Tanks are build to be used in battle. So imho there would also be value to test the Armata platform in combat but I can imagine most soldiers have not been trained yet to work with all the bells and whistles.
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:11 am

    Hmm ...

    Does anyone have a clue what we can spot here?

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    I would say, it is 9M317, but a/ it is too fast to be photographed with some phone camera b/ there is no way the Ukrs had those.

    Ch-58 ? scratch scratch
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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:16 am

    * 09:06 (CET) 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗ Rocket launches from the Caspian in the direction of the Dnepropetrovsk region were recorded.

    * 09:08 (CET) 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗In Shepetivka, Khmelnitsky region. Apparently, the 11th Anti-Aircraft Missile Regiment of Ukraine was sent to Bandera. Waiting for confirmation😁

    * 09:11 (CET)  🇷🇺🇺🇦❗ They report a strong missile attack on Lvov,

    * 09:14 (CET) 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Ukrainian channels:

    Our air defense cannot cope with so many cruise missiles and kamikaze UAVs at the same time, the Russian army is deliberately overloading our system.

    Sources report explosions at infrastructure facilities in Odessa/Vinnitsa/Kiev regions, in Rovno, OchakOv, Nikolaev, Zhytomyr, DnEpropetrovsk and Krivoy Rog.



    For whom the bell tolls, Ukroshitstans ?




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    Post  nomadski Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:17 am





    So the attacks continue today ? Then this is more than just spanking retaliation for Bridge ! They won't have time to repair , before offensive , before ground freezes . And the use of nukes are now only subject to military operational demand by a General ! And trains carry Russian Tanks to Belorusia , who cares if Bridges are down and mines are set ! True in a nuke war , we all die . But some have more reason to live , the side that will back down .

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    Post  Serberus Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:23 am

    Good to see strikes are continuing today, and hopefully tomorrow and every day after that, burn the Nazi shithole to the ground.

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    Post  Firebird Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:30 am

    Belisarius wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28 - Page 24 Img_2189
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    This is how pathetic these American controlled "Ukrainians" are. A Jew... supporting actual Nazis.
    Not an attack on Jews, I'm not one of the pricks here. Just an attack on those supporting the filthy regime there.
    Is this Mendel woman actually a real person or some US propaganda op?
    Given that its Twatter... may well be the latter.

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    Post  auslander Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:31 am

    Nothing has stopped this day, 11 October 2022. Steady stream of gifts heading north all night and all this day. CAP was up and active still plus images of the 'first defense line' at sea just to our north were in news. Flot is definitely out there and active.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:32 am

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Our air defense cannot cope with so many cruise missiles and kamikaze UAVs at the same time, the Russian army is deliberately overloading our system.

    It is just an excuse.
    To this very date, the number of missiles they managed to shoot down is pathetic.
    Can be calculated on hands for the last several months and some 2000+ missiles involved.
    There is no inaccesibiity factor, as each shoot down missile felt down on their uncontested territory.
    We have a few Ch-59, maybe 2-3 Calibrs ... and that would be much of it.
    They never were able to shoot them down at any reasonable rate, and there are multiple reports that at least cruise missiles have some kind of on board ECM suit.
    This war proves an exceptional potency of the Russkie missiles, and that includes a really old examples like Ch-22.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:35 am

    ALAMO wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Our air defense cannot cope with so many cruise missiles and kamikaze UAVs at the same time, the Russian army is deliberately overloading our system.

    It is just an excuse.
    To this very date, the number of missiles they managed to shoot down is pathetic.
    Can be calculated on hands for the last several months and some 2000+ missiles involved.
    There is no inaccesibiity factor, as each shoot down missile felt down on their uncontested territory.
    We have a few Ch-59, maybe 2-3 Calibrs ... and that would be much of it.
    They never were able to shoot them down at any reasonable rate, and there are multiple reports that at least cruise missiles have some kind of on board ECM suit.
    This war proves an exceptional potency of the Russkie missiles, and that includes a really old examples like Ch-22.


    If they had listened to Senna, they would have known that Russia works like this too...

    https://youtu.be/EkAswgZp6mA

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    Post  Firebird Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:41 am

    LMFS wrote:Ishchenko, from yesterday, demonstrating how real professionals think:

    Crimean Bridge: Will Russia respond to the Ukrainian terror? And most importantly, how?

    While congratulating Putin on his birthday, Ramzan Kadyrov called him, along with his father, Akhmad-Haji Kadyrov, the savior of the Chechen people. And this is not an exaggeration. The Federal army had never been particularly ceremonious before, and after the bombings of residential buildings in Moscow and Buinaksk, it was ready to wipe out the whole of Chechnya, which would have happened if Putin and Kadyrov hadn't started the peace process. At least modern Grozny is beautiful not only because a lot of money was allocated for its restoration, but also due to the almost complete disappearance of the old Grozny.
    Ukraine congratulated Putin on his birthday with the explosion on the Crimean Bridge. Of course, the Crimean Bridge is a transport artery that also feeds front-line units. But the strike was not carried out in the course of hostilities, not by people in uniform attacking the object from the sea or from the air, but by persons masquerading as civilians.
    In accordance with traditional views, a spy differs from a scout not in that he is their spy, but our scout, but in that a scout performs his duties in the form of his own army (like front-line intelligence, partisans of the Medvedev, Kovpak, Fedorov and many other detachments led by the Central Headquarters of the partisan movement), while a spy is disguised in civilian or in someone else's uniform (disguised). Therefore, scouts were considered prisoners of war like the rest, and spies were hanged, periodically hanged now, although now the age is more humane and they prefer to rot in prison for decades, waiting for the moment when they get their spy and it will be possible to arrange an exchange.
    The activity of people disguised as civilians and committing sabotage behind enemy lines (even if you are waging a war with them) qualifies as terrorism, and they themselves are terrorists. Thus, the explosion on the Crimean Bridge is an act of terror.

    The good news is that the builders ' claims about the high design strength of the bridge were confirmed: the explosion of several tons of explosives collapsed only two spans. Railway and automobile communication with Crimea was restored on the same day.
    The rest of the news is bad. The worst part is probably that if you can arrange an explosion at such a carefully guarded object as the Crimean Bridge, the sabotage against which has been announced many times, then you can arrange an explosion anywhere. What prevents, for example, from blowing up the same truck on the Moscow Ring Road, where there will be much more victims during rush hour? And if you blow up ten of them at the same time in different places, the psychological effect will be not ten, but a hundred times greater, and it will spread to the whole country.
    In general, if war can come to the Crimean Bridge, then it can come to every house.
    But intimidating the population was clearly not a priority for those who planned this terrorist attack. Otherwise, they would have chosen a different place (for example, a market where everyone can find themselves in their own city and where there would be much more victims, which means that the public's impression of the event would be much more powerful).
    The Crimean Bridge is a symbol of the Russian spring of 2014, a symbol of a bloodless victory, the beginning of the reunification of Russian lands, and Russia's return to the rank of a superpower in international politics. His attack is a challenge to the Russian state and society. The fact that it was made on the day of the 70th anniversary of the President of Russia should have increased the effect.

    The United States said that this was a Ukrainian amateur act. I don't think. The Ukrainians could have killed Daria Dugina on their own initiative. Neither she nor her father could stop the Americans, and the murder of a young girl always leads to the conviction of murderers mostly normal people, in whatever country they live. In the United States, this is well known, so they are trying to organize sacred victims of their Maidans from girls in white blouses.
    But the Crimean Bridge is too serious a strategic target for the Ukrainians to decide to attack it without US approval. In addition, Kiev has talked for so long about its intention to destroy it, without ever being condemned by the Americans for these plans, which can be considered approval received long ago and publicly.
    The fact that the Americans quite correctly calculated the reaction of Russian society is evidenced by the fact that in the public space of Russia there was an immediate demand not just to respond to Ukraine, but to respond with a nuclear strike. The United States has been promoting the topic of an imminent Russian nuclear strike on Ukraine for a couple of months. Most recently, Zelensky screwed them up by demanding a preemptive nuclear strike on Russia. With the terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge, they win back information losses — once again, the demands for a nuclear strike are heard from Russia.
    Now, if the Americans organize a nuclear provocation, the sequence of events will be presented by Washington as follows::
    - Ukraine, allegedly without the consent of the United States, arranges sabotage against the Crimean Bridge;
    — since the Crimean Bridge has a sacred meaning for Russia, the population is excited and demands nuclear revenge;
    - Putin, stung by the attack on his birthday, agrees;
    — and here you have a nuclear explosion over Kiev or Lviv.
    And no one will make any investigations or listen to any excuses. The Western press will declare Russia a nuclear terrorist, and its president "lost international legitimacy", launch a campaign against the "Russian barbarians" and begin to consolidate against Russia all those who can be intimidated. The country's overall international situation will worsen. How much worse it will get is a question. Traditional allies will most likely not turn away from Russia, but there may be questions about various Afro-Asian trifles. And in Latin America, some of the positions are likely to be lost.

    The current situation requires Moscow to respond to the attack on the bridge. The answer is hard, open, but non-nuclear. A variant of such an answer may be a massive raid on the Ukrainian capital of strategic aviation.
    There are enough government offices, barracks, bridges, factories, thermal power plants, and other military, government, and infrastructure facilities in the city to make the entire city a legitimate target. Strategic and long-range bombers are capable of striking without entering the range of the Ukrainian air defense system, and the number of missiles in their salvo is enough to overload the Kiev air defense system. The simultaneous take-off of hundreds of nuclear weapons carriers will impress not only Ukraine, but also the United States, making you think about the impermanence of all things.
    Hundreds of explosions around the city in the dark promise an unforgettable sight. The ruins of government and administrative buildings, industrial enterprises, military and infrastructure facilities scattered throughout the center of Kiev, bridges easily visible from the elevated right bank, will long remind the Ukrainian authorities of the fragility of the world in which they live. If you add airports and railway stations (both freight and passenger) to the bridges,the city will also be partially blocked by traffic.
    After all, near Kiev, in the Obukhov direction, there is a "Ukrainian Rublevka". Of course, civilians will also die in multimillion-dollar mansions, but it will be Ukrainian deputies and oligarchs, their family members and service personnel — all those who have long demanded the destruction of all Russians and promised to move the war to the streets of Moscow.
    Kiev is not alone. There are many cities in Ukraine that can serve a collective purpose. Targets to strike in these cities are not a tank company, they do not move or disguise themselves, and their coordinates are known and constant. Targets for admonishing strikes will last for a long time.
    We don't lose anything. Those who consider Russia a cruel aggressor no longer love us, already want to kill us and are already making every effort to do so. Those few who are still waiting for us have long said that it is better to let the cities be wiped out, but Russia will come, than to continue the horror without end.

    By demonstrating powerful non-nuclear strikes, Russia will show that it does not need to resort to weapons of mass destruction to bring the Ukrainian authorities to reason. This will weaken the effect of the American propaganda campaign, although the issue of a US nuclear provocation in Ukraine will still remain relevant.
    And finally, the citizens of Russia should see that the country is fighting for the sake of victory, and not for fun. The people have long been demanding an answer to Kiev's provocations. It is necessary to satisfy his wishes. After all, the love, trust and support of the people only seem eternal and endless. Sometimes they end. And it happens in one moment. One moment everything was unshakable, and then it became very shaky.
    In the end, why could Chechnya, where Russian citizens lived and still live, be leveled to the ground for a good purpose, while Ukraine, where citizens of a hostile state live, waging war against Russia and proud of being on the cusp of another Western campaign to the East, cannot be touched with a finger? It is impossible to raise a banner over the Reichstag without turning Berlin into ruins.

    https://ukraina.ru/20221009/1039533342.html

    I would ask for extreme caution here.
    Kiev is a jewel. It is a RUSSIAN jewel.
    Lvov I would happily turn into a crater.
    But never forget that for nearly all of the past 1100 years Kiev was Russian, very Russian.
    Britain had an agreement with Hitler on architectural/culturally significant sites not being boned. Modern shit I couldn't give a **** about.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:50 am

    Interesting footage from today's strike at Ladyzhynska TPP made with Geran-2

    https://t.me/boris_rozhin/66786

    That should bring some conclusions about how this drone is "incapable of destroying buildings", but I hardly believe that our sofa field commanders will get the clue anyway Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Sujoy Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:05 am

    Ukraine is now being used by U.S & NATO as an incubator for testing their weapons against Russia. The west has a long history of such antics.

    Back in 1965 the US passed on sidewinders to the Pakistani Air Force knowing well that the Indian Air Force had no missile equipped aircraft at all.

    They planned on using the IAF as sacrificial lambs to assert the superiority of their technology. Didn't quite work according to their plans but nonetheless exposed their intent.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:10 am

    * 09: 39 (CET) 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Shepetovsky railway junction and the repair shop in the Khmelnytsky region were destroyed.
    These were very important facilities for supplying the troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    Why this was not done before, well, I think that Vladlen Tatarsky guessed, someone was afraid to take responsibility for these orders.

    * 09:40 (CET) 🇷🇺🇺🇦❗More launches. It looks like the new commander of the Russian army played red alert as a child. I'd rather read books, - Vitaly Kim.

    * 09:42 (CET) 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Strategic aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces operates from the Caspian Sea region. Tu-95 and Tu-160 missile carriers strike on the territory of Ukraine with X-101/X-555 missiles.

    * 09:43 (CET) 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Ukrainian media report launching another 20 missiles towards Ukraine,

    * 09:46 (CET) 🇷🇺🇺🇦 Something is burning in Zaporozhye after missile strike

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    * 09:48 (CET) 🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡A series of explosions in the Nikolaev region,

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Oct 11, 2022 10:57 am

    ALAMO wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28 - Page 24 Photo_55

    I would say, it is 9M317, but a/ it is too fast to be photographed with some phone camera b/ there is no way the Ukrs had those.

    Ch-58 ? scratch  scratch

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    Post  Stealthflanker Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:03 am

    Good to see it finally sees prime-time. The latest version apparently capable of doing 250 Km range. If such range are used, the aircraft launcher must be at relatively high altitude.
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    Post  LMFS Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:22 am

    Backman wrote:Kaliningrad is Russian territory. If Nato attacks that or gets someone to attack it, Russia will have no choice but go nuclear. It would all be very different if this was the pre nuclear era. But it isn't.

    Belarus is maybe a little greyer. Who is going to attack Belarus ? Ukraine ?

    These are scare tactics by the US and they are insane.

    Insane they are for sure, but if the Anglos manage to get Poland and the Balts involved in an escalation (leading ultimately to war) with Russia on their own (they are barely able to hold themselves as we have seen the last months), then it will not be an all NATO attack but just the action so of those nations alone and Russia will not be legitimated or rather it will not be in their interests to resort to nukes, but to stay conventional. That is exactly what Ishchenko is arguing and that is the calculus of the West to progressively raise the stakes to consume Russia, burning the whole Europe as fuel if necessary. That is why they are demolishing the economy and the governance of the whole continent at full speed, in order to finish the remains of their political independence for good.

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    Post  LMFS Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:32 am

    Firebird wrote:
    I would ask for extreme caution here.
    Kiev is a jewel. It is a RUSSIAN jewel.
    Lvov I would happily turn into a crater.
    But never forget that for nearly all of the past 1100 years Kiev was Russian, very Russian.
    Britain had an agreement with Hitler on architectural/culturally significant sites not being boned. Modern shit I couldn't give a **** about.

    Civilized Britain bombed Dresden and many other old and beautiful cities in Germany into ashes, not only destroying them as a way to erase their legacy but also burning their civilian population alive. As for Kiev, there is no need to raze it to the ground, it is not going to be worse than WWII anyways.

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    Post  owais.usmani Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:33 am

    Cruise missiles are good, but they are a rather costly way to take things out. If anything, they should target those cruise missiles so as to completely destroy whatever AD equipment is left in Ukraine.

    Then hundreds of Flankers, Fulcrums, Frogfoots and Backfires need to go in and drop thousands and thousands of tons of high explosives in high altitude bombing raids, multiple sorties every day.

    This needs to continue until Kiev, Lviv and everything else west of Dnieper turns into scorched earth permanently.
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    Post  diabetus Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:38 am

    mnztr wrote:Hmm apparently the Ukrainians captured a T90M. Is this a pretty recent mod? Bad news?

    Another one or the one captured s few weeks ago?

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:41 am

    LMFS wrote:
    Backman wrote:Kaliningrad is Russian territory. If Nato attacks that or gets someone to attack it, Russia will have no choice but go nuclear. It would all be very different if this was the pre nuclear era. But it isn't.

    Belarus is maybe a little greyer. Who is going to attack Belarus ? Ukraine ?

    These are scare tactics by the US and they are insane.

    Insane they are for sure, but if the Anglos manage to get Poland and the Balts involved in an escalation (leading ultimately to war) with Russia on their own (they are barely able to hold themselves as we have seen the last months), then it will not be an all NATO attack but just the action so of those nations alone and Russia will not be legitimated or rather it will not be in their interests to resort to nukes, but to stay conventional. That is exactly what Ishchenko is arguing and that is the calculus of the West to progressively raise the stakes to consume Russia, burning the whole Europe as fuel if necessary. That is why they are demolishing the economy and the governance of the whole continent at full speed, in order to finish the remains of their political independence for good.

    Russia is not 'barely able to hold themselves'
    Unless you think 500 men here or 1000 men there is all they can muster

    And comparing what's going on to some Polish and Baltic attack on Kaliningrad is a joke.
    Or to a NATO attack on Kaliningrad for that matter.
    Will NATO countries introduce mobilization as well for an invasion of Russia? Because Russia is capable of mobilizing over 10 million if given enough time, and has the arms and ammo to equip them.
    But this is a fraudulent discussion as it supposes nukes not existing. Whereas in fact they do.

    As for the calculus of the West to burn the whole Europe as fuel - well Europe is a perfectly willing partner. Why does this Ishchenko and all these others care so much about Europe's independence?
    Russia's concern is but Russia's independence.

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:42 am

    owais.usmani wrote:Cruise missiles are good, but they are a rather costly way to take things out. If anything, they should target those cruise missiles so as to completely destroy whatever AD equipment is left in Ukraine.

    Then hundreds of Flankers, Fulcrums, Frogfoots and Backfires need to go in and drop thousands and thousands of tons of high explosives in high altitude bombing raids, multiple sorties every day.

    This needs to continue until Kiev, Lviv and everything else west of Dnieper turns into scorched earth permanently.

    Well if Kh-58s are indeed being launched concurrently then that means that Russian forces are certainly taking advantage of the activation of Ukrainian air defenses to target them as well

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    Post  LMFS Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:46 am

    Seen at Pepe Escobar's TG, the Great, the mighty defender of the civilization Winston Churchill:

    "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

    This, from the guy that was supposedly fighting against Hitler and the odious ideology of his regime. As said and repeated ad nauseam, nazi ideology is just one more reflection of the supremacism that underpins the whole cultural framework of colonialist Europe and reaches its peak in the Anglo-Saxon world. Not one bit has changed to our days, starting by the sanctimonious liberals, so perfect and enlightened that deem it fit to impose their intellectual indigence to the "uncivilized" world.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:49 am

    From MoA posts.

    I wonder how effective AIM-120 will be against Kalibre and the others? If not then NATO will have exposed a very serious defect in their AD systems. This is just what the RuAF want to find out for real.



    Ukraine Situation Report: German IRIS-T SLM Air Defense System Arriving In Days

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-german-iris-t-slm-air-defense-system-arriving-in-days

    Germany's defense minister said the first of four promised IRIS-T SLM surface-to-air missile systems will arrive in Ukraine over “the next few days.” Manufacturer Diehl Defence says the ground-launched IRIS-T SLM guided missile at the heart of the system can hit targets up to about 25 miles away at altitudes of up to more than about 12 miles. This can provide short-to-medium area air defense around critical locations like major population centers. That would add much-needed capabilities to an aging Soviet-era air defense arsenal Ukraine has already used to great effect to prevent Russia from achieving air superiority.

    The government has decided to deliver the IRIS-T system, the most modern air defense system Germany has,” Scholz said in a speech to the German parliament, according to a translation by the German news site DW. “This will enable the Ukrainian government to defend entire cities from Russian missile attacks.”

    The IRIS-T SL missiles can also be used in newer iterations of the National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile System, or NASAMS, along with the AMRAAM-ER (for Extended Range) missile.
    The latter weapon adds the motor from another Raytheon product, the RIM-162 Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM), to the AIM-120C-7 warhead and seeker. NASAMS' base missile is the AIM-120 AMRAAM — the exact same as those fired from fighter aircraft.

    Having AMRAAM as one of its missile options means that, potentially, countries from across NATO and elsewhere could provide AIM-120s to Ukraine from their own stocks, especially the older AIM-120A/B models. Additionally, NASAMS can now be armed with the shorter-range AIM-9X Sidewinder missile.

    While Germany has been criticized for not providing enough arms to Ukraine fast enough, especially when it comes to Ukraine's unanswered pleas for the country to approve the transfer of Leopard 1 or 2-series tanks, it has still provided a significant amount of weaponry, the Oryx OSINT research group noted. "Contrary to popular perception, Germany has delivered significant amounts of arms and equipment to Ukraine to aid the country in its fight against the Russian military," Oryx's Stijn Mitzer and Joost Oliemans wrote in an assessment last month.

    According to Oryx, German materiel support already delivered to Ukraine includes 30 Gepard self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, three MARS II multiple rocket launchers (a Germany-specific derivative of the M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System, or MLRS), 10 155mm PzH 2000 self-propelled howitzers along with guided artillery rounds, 3,200 Stinger and Strela man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADS), close to 10,000 Panzerfaust 3 and RWG 90 MATADOR infantry anti-tank weapons.

    In addition, Germany has provided Ukraine with "hundreds of vehicles, nearly 22 million rounds of ammunition and a plethora of other equipment including 28,000 helmets and MiG-29 Fulcrum fighter jet spare parts.

    These deliveries are soon to be followed by a further four PzH 2000s and two M270s [MARS II], four IRIS-T SLM SAM batteries, 20 laser-guided rocket systems, 43 reconnaissance UAVs and up to 20 unmanned ships," Oryx noted. "Berlin also contributed at least €2 billion ($1.94 billion) to Ukraine's security capacity building fund with which the Ukrainian government can purchase armament from other countries, including a further 100 PzH 2000s and 18 RCH-155 SPGs from German arms manufacturer Krauss-Maffei Wegmann."
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    Post  LMFS Tue Oct 11, 2022 11:54 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Russia is not 'barely able to hold themselves'
    Unless you think 500 men here or 1000 men there is all they can muster

    And comparing what's going on to some Polish and Baltic attack on Kaliningrad is a joke.
    Or to a NATO attack on Kaliningrad for that matter.
    Will NATO countries introduce mobilization as well for an invasion of Russia? Because Russia is capable of mobilizing over 10 million if given enough time, and has the arms and ammo to equip them.
    But this is a fraudulent discussion as it supposes nukes not existing. Whereas in fact they do.

    As for the calculus of the West to burn the whole Europe as fuel - well Europe is a perfectly willing partner. Why does this Ishchenko and all these others care so much about Europe's independence?
    Russia's concern is but Russia's independence.

    I mean Poland and the Balts are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of participating in any provocation against Russia. They are just waiting for the command from their owners.

    The idea is to create difficulties for Russia, bogging it down in an each time bigger conflict that impedes it from devoting resources to development of their economy and just consumes its riches and population. All while US stays away and keeps making money out of the conflict they themselves created, just like they did so many times before. It is an obvious plan and it has worked perfectly in the past, why would they not try again?

    BTW nobody gives a damn about Europe's independence, they deserve everything that comes to them and some more. But it is obvious that for Russia a sovereign Europe can be developed into a partner, while one which is just an aggression tool of the Anglos is undesirable.

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