Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28

* 10:39 CET The Shepetovsky railway junction, the repair plant and the positions of the 11th anti-aircraft missile regiment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, located in the Khmelnytsky region, were seriously damaged as a result of a morning strike by Russian missiles.

* 10:39 CET Across the territory of Ukraine again air raid alert. New explosions are reported in the Dnepropetrovsk region.

* 10: 40 CET Still, our beloved president was a little cunning yesterday, with good sarcasm. This is no warning. This is systemic work. Today, thermal power plants are being finished off, they are being taken for railway junctions and work on trains. It is methodical, slow work. There are still at least two or three weeks before the start of the first offensives on our part. There is time.

* 10:40 CET Ukrainian media report an explosion in Pavlograd in the DnEpropetrovsk region

* 10:41 CET Ukrainian media report new explosions in Vinnitsa and Rovno regions

* 10:42 CET In Vyshgorod, a distribution substation on the left bank is on fire; it caught fire from a power surge. Now it will be a normal picture. The network will destroy itself.

* 10:43 CET In the Ivano-Frankovsk region of Ukraine, strikes on critical infrastructure were recorded - authorities

* 10:43 CET Missile strikes on Pavlograd railway junction

This is the most important node through which the entire Donbass group of Nazis is supplied.

* 10:44 CET The Gauleiter of Kremenchug reports about launches of smart missiles from Belarus

Rockets fired at Ukraine purposely change the direction of flight, luring out Nazi air defenses.

* 10:48 CET Gauleiter of Ternopil warns of the danger of new missile strikes

"We haven't even started yet!"

* 10:57 CET The Embassy of Uzbekistan in Kiev asks the citizens of the republic to leave Ukraine and refrain from traveling to this country after Russian missile attacks on its infrastructure.

* 10:58 CET Rolling power outages introduced in the city of Khmelnitsky and its region - authorities

Re: new NATzO missile supplies to Ukrai

Same masturbatory "game changer" nonsense that we have been fed for the last six months.  

It is always "we haven't shown you what we can do yet" with western twerps.   Like the 2014 sanctions on Russia
being "soft".

Another MoA poster with a though provoking take on the bridge attack:-

I like PE (Pepe Escobar) and have learned a lot of geo-politics from him over the years but he can also be unfocused and scattershot like he is here, his article reads like he wrote it stoned after he sucked a nargile dry an hour before it was due. Pepe reveals his inside bombshell that explosives were inside the bridge itself, with no further explanation or conjecture how explosives got inside the spans on the most secure, patrolled above and below, 24/7 close circuit surveilled, structures in the world? The rest of the article is just recycled repetitious stuff from Telegram for what that’s worth.

So, a Mission Impossible fake Russian bridge work crew, or UK frogmen in a midget submarine rappelling up with 450Kg of explosives, placed them in the structure of the spans? Days ago, months ago? Just sitting there, 450kg’s worth all wired up together? Of course they also had to haul up a a few thousand pounds of sand bags needed to pack the explosives otherwise they would be not much more than a big ineffective flash. It’s not like the old movies where the banditos tie a bundle of dynamite to a train trestle and the whole thing comes down.

The other truck that they have captured where did they find it? Did this one come from Bulgaria too, was it also a decoy like the first one with just firecrackers inside? Were the spans at the other ended also mined, but didn’t go off? Did the UK frogmen come back and remove them right after the first explosion to not get revealed? Maybe the Mission Impossible crew went back in the other truck to remove the dud explosives? With all the vagaries of life and traffic two trucks with two unwitting drivers, who were not even trying to synchronize at precise spots and time, was all to perfectly align like the planets once every 1000 years? What a crock of convoluted contradictory zonked out nonsense.

But, big but, why would UK/USA care in least to make it look like a truck bomb? Who cares how the bridge blows up, missile, truck, frogmen it’s all the same bonus points and gold stars for the West, the RF will figure it out soon enough, and it’s the same message to Russia - you’re totally exposed in the Black Sea, surrender Dorothy. And, why organize such a convoluted plan impossible to synchronize when long range missiles are already there waiting for their debute? Or, why not just put the damn 450kg of explosves in the trucks that drove the circuitous, evasive route from Bulgaria seeing how you just jumped through hoops, and paid all the tolls and gas :-) getting the damn trucks on the bridge? The less convoluted a plan is the better it is, no? Better yet, seeing how easy it was to get bombs wired up on the bridge spans, why not have explosives in the truck and on the spans, terrorist belt and suspenders!

The people it does matter to is the FSB, MoD, and administration as anything other than a truck bomb is a total fail of their security and anti-missile system. It means the bridge is totally exposed and unprotected. A truck bomb is an Abu Ghraib excuse to blame someone at the lowest wrung, the bridge guard that failed to look in the back of the truck.

Sorry to sound like a stuck record, I wouldn’t mind eating a shoe (if I can have it fried and covered with melted cheese and hot sauce) but I see it like this: Like every other incremental escalation from the West, USA floats an idea, in this case long range missiles, walks it back, rules it out, sends them in covertly, brings it back into the discussion as an incessant, roughish rumor that they are already in theater, tacitly admits the rumor, uses the new weapons.

Again, doesn’t matter how the bridge is struck to the West only to Russia does it matter. Like the Moskva if it was a long range UK/USA launched missile Russia would either have to strike a USA/UK target in response or just shut up and eat it for now and find an credible (enough) excuse for public consumption, ammunition explosion for the Moskva, truck bomb for the bridge.

There weren’t two trucks, the second missile failed, the first hit a hapless truck, the RF thanked their lucky stars they don’t have to respond to the US/UK directly.

OK, sorry for too long post, last word from me on the bridge, promise, over and out.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Oct 10 2022 21:40 utc | 318

* 11:00 CET New explosions in Vinnitsa and Rivne regions

* 11:04 Explosions in Lvov,

* 11:06 Two arrivals in Volnogorsk in the Dnepropetrovsk region.
It is also reported about the defeat of infrastructure facilities in the Ivano-Frankivsk region (several explosions).

* 11:08 The power went out all over Lvov,

* 11:09 A series of explosions rang out in the Vinnytsia region!,

* 11:12 In the Kamensky district of the Dnepropetrovsk region there is a hit in a critical infrastructure facility
As a result of the hit, there is a destabilization of the operation of a number of critical infrastructure facilities due to a sharp decrease in the voltage of the power grid, Ukrainian media report.

* 11:12 During a missile attack on the railway junction in Pavlograd, a train with Nazi military equipment was hit,

* 11:14 powerful explosions at the power system facility in Lvov, there is no light in the city, the sky is clouded with smoke from missile strikes

* 11:19 Ukrainian insider resources report that air defense is being urgently returned to Lvov, which was transferred to Kiev,

* 11:20 At least three explosions were recorded in Lvov, electricity was lost in the city. As Maxim Kozitsky, gauleiter of the Lvov OVA, said, the strikes were carried out on the energy facility of the region.,

* 11:21 New attacks on the Ladyzhynska TPP in the Vinnitsa region, the region is partially without power,

* 11:27 The target of a missile attack in the Dnepropetrovsk region could be the Sredneprovskaya hydroelectric power station,

* 11:27 Massive attacks on the military infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in particular on barracks and air defense, are reported through private channels. Ukrainian media are forbidden to report on such strikes.

* 11:43 Electricity went out in one of the districts of Odessa.

* 11:48 Ukrainian media again report explosions in Vinnitsa
Earlier, the head of the Vinnitsa regional administration has already reported explosions in the region.

Good to remember this:

Ukraine held talks with Britain for destruction of Crimean bridge

15 August 2022 11:18 (UTC +04:00)

Deputy of the Rada Goncharenko announced negotiations with Wallace on the destruction of the Crimean bridge, APA reports.

Ukraine held talks with British Defense Secretary Ben Wallace on a plan to destroy the Crimean Bridge at the NATO summit in June, Verkhovna Rada deputy Oleksiy Goncharenko said.

The parliamentarian drew attention to the statement of expert Igor Korotchenko, who said on the air of the Rossiya 1 TV channel that, according to some information, the plan for striking the bridge was allegedly being developed under the personal supervision of the head of the British military department.

“Ben Wallace and I discussed the plan to destroy the Crimean bridge back in June,” Goncharenko wrote, posting a photo from the talks, which, in addition to him and the head of the British Ministry of Defense, shows British Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

In July, Aleksey Arestovich, an adviser to the head of Vladimir Zelensky’s office, said that Ukraine could attack the Crimean Bridge as soon as the first technical opportunity appeared.

https://apa.az/en/europe/ukraine-held-talks-with-britain-for-destruction-of-crimean-bridge-382809

LMFS wrote:

flamming_python wrote:
Russia is not 'barely able to hold themselves'
Unless you think 500 men here or 1000 men there is all they can muster

And comparing what's going on to some Polish and Baltic attack on Kaliningrad is a joke.
Or to a NATO attack on Kaliningrad for that matter.
Will NATO countries introduce mobilization as well for an invasion of Russia? Because Russia is capable of mobilizing over 10 million if given enough time, and has the arms and ammo to equip them.
But this is a fraudulent discussion as it supposes nukes not existing. Whereas in fact they do.

As for the calculus of the West to burn the whole Europe as fuel - well Europe is a perfectly willing partner. Why does this Ishchenko and all these others care so much about Europe's independence?
Russia's concern is but Russia's independence.

I mean Poland and the Balts are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of participating in any provocation against Russia. They are just waiting for the command from their owners.

The idea is to create difficulties for Russia, bogging it down in an each time bigger conflict that impedes it from devoting resources to development of their economy and just consumes its riches and population. All while US stays away and keeps making money out of the conflict they themselves created, just like they did so many times before. It is an obvious plan and it has worked perfectly in the past, why would they not try again?

It's possible that once Finland and Sweden enter NATO; Finland and Estonia might organize a blockade of the Gulf of Finland, while Poland and Lithuania attempt to blockade Kaliningrad from land

But an invasion or attack of any kind on Kaliningrad I don't believe in, even discarding for a second the threat of nukes. Washington can attempt to bog Russia down by simply sending more mercs and volunteers to the Ukraine from Eastern Europe, the Balkans, etc... without opening an entire new front of operations

BTW nobody gives a damn about Europe's independence, they deserve everything that comes to them and some more. But it is obvious that for Russia a sovereign Europe can be developed into a partner, while one which is just an aggression tool of the Anglos is undesirable.

Again, the same Europe is a willing partner. If it was truly sovereign, it might have averted this whole crisis, but it also may have gone along with the plan just the same. Germany and France under Hitler and Napoleon respectively were both sovereign after all.

Because what does sovereignty mean anyway?
What the West really amounts to is an alliance of elites. Like any other alliance. So you have the Anglo-Americans, the Eastern European Russophobe elites which depend on them, and the Western Europeans who are less hawkish on Russia than the others but are as globalist as the US or Britain.
Nevertheless all 3 groups wanted Russia out of the way. The Western Europeans were benefiting economically from the expansion of NATO and especially the EU to the former USSR, so when Russia decided to counter these color revolutions that was a no-no for them.

If you want to change Europe's politics so then new elites will have to take power there with different ideas. Just like Eastern Europe switched sides when the communist elites there lost power and were deposed.

But even if we suppose Le Pen takes power here, some other right-wing anti-globalists there - then their priority might still well be European supremacy as I've noted earlier. To advocate aligning with Russia but only to entice it to break ties with China and the rest of the world.

kvs wrote:Re: new NATzO missile supplies to Ukrai

Same masturbatory "game changer" nonsense that we have been fed for the last six months.  

It is always "we haven't shown you what we can do yet" with western twerps.   Like the 2014 sanctions on Russia
being "soft".

In a way that they don't want, these latest and no doubt future shipments are indeed turning into "game changers". They are offering up for examination by Russia, as the representative of the rest of the World, as they run out of the old stocks, increasing amounts of the West's current production equipment for test in a real world scenario. Not only exposing whether it works as per the claims but also as a testbed for Russian counter products.

I'm sure that it was not the intention of NATO when they pressed the Go button to potentially expose its vulnerability like this. From academic and analyst's theories to brutal reality.

This is a general question, how successful are AAM in shooting down cruise missiles?

Very interesting pdf file with supposedly leaked internal document by UK MoD with options to screw the Russians, among them the Kerch bridge of course.

https://thegrayzone.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Support-for-Maritime-Raiding-Operations-Proposal.pdf
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/10/10/ukrainian-kerch-bridge/

ALAMO wrote:

kvs wrote:Re: new NATzO missile supplies to Ukrai
Same masturbatory "game changer" nonsense that we have been fed for the last six months.  
It is always "we haven't shown you what we can do yet" with western twerps.   Like the 2014 sanctions on Russia
being "soft".

The only one that can cause some troubles is the IRIS-T, as being modern, passive, and relatively longer ranged.
Still that is nothing the Buk couldn't do at the moment. Hardly a doubt they will be capable to make any target search&track at it's maximal distance, so they will get just another toy for being bombed.

Would they be able to operate much as now with the Buk/S-300, using US satellite etc target ID and tracking, use its radar to lock on then fire its missile 'fire and forget'?

Isos wrote:

This is a general question, how successful are AAM in shooting down cruise missiles?

Most successful defence against houti drones are f-15/amraam in saudi arabia.

Cruise missiles are faster and probavly stealthier and flying very low.

It's really hard to shoot them down. But if you lock on them then it's probavly sure it is shot down even with manpads. They fly straight with no counter measures.

Yes but these are ground launched, not air launched from a F-15 with big active radar chasing or searching for missiles against the background of the desert. So lots more ground clutter.

How about the Syrian experience?

ALAMO wrote:

JohninMK wrote:
Would they be able to operate much as now with the Buk/S-300, using US satellite etc target ID and tracking, use its radar to lock on then fire its missile 'fire and forget'?

It is passive John.
The whole concept of it is the fact, that the missile is the same as used by the European airforces, IRIS-T.
Uses the same matrix as AIM-9X and Python V, so it is quite advanced crap.
Most of the publicized propaganda and wanking about the Wunderwaffe mixes the parameters of the missiles that start from the aircraft pylon with it's ground version. The maximal head on engagement envelope is some 40 km, and maximal operational altitude is 20 km.
IRIS-T launched from the ground will have some 12 km range and 9 km altitude, so it is nothing more than a fully passive equivalent of Osa.
I have compared it to Buk, because Buks passive TV guidance channel operates at a similar distance, still delivers hell of more punch.
All those cases are really getting more and more ridiculous, as they have started to provide some relatively modern systems, only to make clear the fact that none of those surpasses the old Soviet stuff Ukrs used to have. And that repeats with any single delivered system that is being compromised at spot, or turns out an expensive toy incapable for a mass conflict.

Thanks, so optimised against aircraft not cruise missiles at 100m high? How does it ID said CM incoming at 12km?

Photo of the Sevastopol thermal power plant before the "occupation" of Crimea by Russia:


Photo of the Sevastopol thermal power plant after the "occupation" of Crimea by Russia:


I think this clearly shows who is actually an occupier in the territories of Ukraine.

P.S. These are actually different stations, since the Balaklava thermal power plant is a new-built power plant opened in 2018. But the general idea remains the same: the energy system of Crimea before and after the "occupation" is the earth and the sky.

ALAMO wrote:Diehl is making two versions of this system - SLS and SLM.
SLM is in theory "medium ranged", but to get that done needs a data exchange.
One of the concepts is, that one missile can make some recon and send the operational picture back to the launcher.
Ukrs won't get the data exchange, because NATO can't make a successful recon so deep inside the Ukro territory.
I really highly doubt its capability to intercept a cruise missiles salvo, mostly due the lack of targeting data.
So we have a fancy&shiny equivalent of Buk only shorter ranged, lower altitude, smaller warhead, and limited in numbers.
An objective advante is, that is is very compact, and everything is located on one chassis, made in a way that makes it hard to distinguish from other types of trucks. Yup, that may cause some issues finding them.

Agree, unless the system is ideally placed out in the open in flat countryside it has a big problem, radar shadow area.

This is a good piccy of the complete system.

Sujoy wrote:Ukraine is now being used by U.S & NATO as an incubator for testing their weapons against Russia. The west has a long history of such antics.

Back in 1965 the US passed on sidewinders to the Pakistani Air Force knowing well that the Indian Air Force had no missile equipped aircraft at all.

They planned on using the IAF as sacrificial lambs to assert the superiority of their technology. Didn't quite work according to their plans but nonetheless exposed their intent.

I don't agree with you. NATO's objective is to economically destroy Russia with a proxy, in this case Ukraine, and consequently reduce its military capacity.
There is no testing of NATO weapons, and if there was it is secondary equipment. In fact, I think they are even afraid to do it. Imagine if these weapons are defeats! What effect on your arms markets? They would be extremely negative for Americans. Imagine columns of Abrams defeated and F 15/16/18 taken down by S400 or other less sophisticated anti-aircraft systems!!
The reputation of the supremacy of American weapons would be seriously shaken and worse: it would strengthen those of Russia.
I remember that the USA gave up on sending sophisticated attack drones to Ukraine. It was no coincidence. It just reminds you what the reputation of Turkish drones is now.

Now it may be what the West will have to forcefully dispose of its best weapons, as Ukraine's Soviet-origin equipment is running out.

ALAMO wrote:

ludovicense wrote:[
I don't agree with you. NATO's objective is to economically destroy Russia with a proxy, in this case Ukraine, and consequently reduce its military capacity.
There is no testing of NATO weapons, and if there was it is secondary equipment. In fact, I think they are even afraid to do it. Imagine if these weapons are defeats! What effect on your arms markets? They would be extremely negative for Americans. Imagine columns of Abrams defeated and F 15/16/18 taken down by S400 or other less sophisticated anti-aircraft systems!!
The reputation of the supremacy of American weapons would be seriously shaken and worse: it would strengthen those of Russia.
I remember that the USA gave up on sending sophisticated attack drones to Ukraine. It was no coincidence. It just reminds you what the reputation of Turkish drones is now.

It is totally irrelevant.
The US sells it's weapons to the vassal states, that will buy it anyway.
It can be obviously known that it is all crap, but nobody would care about that.
If a country tries to make the independent choices, it is being bullied, threatened and sanctioned.

In fact you are right about that. The choice is not technical. It's politics.

Really hard to tell. 

Flying above Ternopil, westwards.

Call us when arrive

Flying decommunization

 
Is Luka ready? 

https://sonar21.com/what-a-difference-a-day-makes/

Funny thing emotions. One minute you can be in the depths of despair and then, in an instant, you are propelled to Olympian heights. We will ignore the psychiatric diagnosis of manic-depressive. The gnawing fear expressed in social media a couple of days back among those favoring Russia was vanquished with the news that Russian missiles shellacked dozens of targets throughout Ukraine. And, the weird euphoria that had whipped the pro-Ukrainian west into frenzied joy quickly died out as the list of targets hit by Russia grew, along with the body count.