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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:50 pm

    [quote="Hole"]
    Podlodka77 wrote:The small number of long-range, high-precision air defense systems at the republic's disposal are "clearly not enough" to effectively protect the entire territory.
    High-precision is something of a basic requirement for any AD system.  Rolling Eyes

    But Russia doesn't have Rafale and Meteor, ask Isos...

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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:50 pm

    Russia should not engage any ethnic cleansing. I think that a NATzO controlled rump western Ukraine is good solution for Russia.
    It loses any substance as a country (no industry) and basing US missiles there is the same as basing them in Poland. I think Putin
    was spinning a tad when he mentioned potential NATzO hypersonic missiles based in Ukraine. They could put them in Poland and it would
    not be a substantial difference in flight time. The real problem is having around 30 million radicalized people acting like some jihadi base
    camp to attack Russia and Belorus and that the Donbass was being set up for ethnic cleansing. A rump Ukraine near the Polish border
    (where it historically belongs) is a vastly degraded nuisance.

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    Post  Hole Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:51 pm

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    Talking to you from the middle of the war zone.

    Geran-2 drones are active above Dnjepropetrovsk.

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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:56 pm

    Elensky is probably in Poland. No need for a green screen if he was in Kiev. It's not like Russia would be able to take him out just
    because he was posing outside in front of government buildings as the videos we have seen appear to have him doing. Russia
    has shown no sign of trying to take him and his regime out. It is only after the Kerch Strait bridge terror bombing that Russia has
    hit the SBU building in Kiev.

    Contrast to the US attack pattern.

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    Post  Hole Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:56 pm

    A rump Ukraine near the Polish border (where it historically belongs) is a vastly degraded nuisance.
    Sure, but to many russian lives were lost in liberating this land in the GPW. Why give the worshippers of Hitler such a "win" (and they would see it as such if they could keep some area)?


    https://thesaker.is/will-they-ever-learn-answer-probably-not/
    Those still capable of critical/rational thought will realize that the sheer magnitude and devastating consequences of the Russian strikes is just a signal that Putin is doing what he has been doing since February:
    • Acting unilaterally without any efforts to negotiate (but without rejecting any negotiations should somebody in the West come to his/her senses).

    • Slowly and gradually increase the pain dial not only for the rump Ukraine but also for the entire EU



    So will those poor souls who accuse Putin of “indecision” or “weakness” ever learn their lesson and understand WHY and HOW Putin is dialing up the pain dial?
    No, of course not.
    They are now so personally involved in trashing Putin at all costs that they simply cannot look at reality without losing face.  So they too will double down on their own certitudes even if that means deliberately and systematically ignoring the facts on the ground.  As I have said many times, these folks would rather see Russia and Putin lose than Russia and Putin win.  You could say that they hate Putin more than they love Russia.


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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:57 pm

    kvs wrote:Russia should not engage any ethnic cleansing.  I think that a NATzO controlled rump western Ukraine is good solution for Russia.
    It loses any substance as a country (no industry) and basing US missiles there is the same as basing them in Poland.   I think Putin
    was spinning a tad when he mentioned potential NATzO hypersonic missiles based in Ukraine.   They could put them in Poland and it would
    not be a substantial difference in flight time.   The real problem is having around 30 million radicalized people acting like some jihadi base
    camp to attack Russia and Belorus and that the Donbass was being set up for ethnic cleansing.   A rump Ukraine near the Polish border
    (where it historically belongs) is a vastly degraded nuisance.  



    Of those 30 million, at least half are more intimidated by the current Nazi regime than radicalized.

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    Post  LMFS Wed Oct 12, 2022 12:59 pm

    marcellogo wrote:
    I find ANY idea of NATO state acquiring Ukrainian territory as completely absurd as neither USA nor UE will ever accept that some of their constituent/vassal states would side with Russia into partitioning Ukraine.  

    Of course Poland taking part of 404 is bad PR, but we are past that point already, the Anglos need to keep escalating the war vs Russia at any cost. Poland is eager to occupy Western ukraine and US may need to offer them something in exchange for getting in conflict with Russia & Belarus outside of official NATO protection. Nationalistic goals (Kaliningrad & Galizia) would be used to rally popular support for what would otherwise be a suicidal mission, and would free NATO from having to fulfill art. 5.
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    Post  LMFS Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:05 pm

    kvs wrote:Russia should not engage any ethnic cleansing.  I think that a NATzO controlled rump western Ukraine is good solution for Russia.
    It loses any substance as a country (no industry) and basing US missiles there is the same as basing them in Poland.   I think Putin
    was spinning a tad when he mentioned potential NATzO hypersonic missiles based in Ukraine.   They could put them in Poland and it would
    not be a substantial difference in flight time.   The real problem is having around 30 million radicalized people acting like some jihadi base
    camp to attack Russia and Belorus and that the Donbass was being set up for ethnic cleansing.   A rump Ukraine near the Polish border
    (where it historically belongs) is a vastly degraded nuisance.  

    A neighboring country where nazis are grown by the West in the hundreds of thousands is indeed a problem for Russia. They need to do something with Galizia, even when of course Balts are more dangerous to Russia from the point of view of missile launch.

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    Post  franco Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:27 pm

    Poddubny: 40 thousand fighters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are ready to move on Kremennaya. The same situation is in Zaporozhye

    After the massive strikes of Russian troops on the military and energy infrastructure of Ukraine, Kyiv needs to take certain steps to raise morale in the country.

    To this end, the Armed Forces of Ukraine can launch an offensive in the Kremennaya region and in general in the Zaporozhye region. War correspondent Yevgeny Poddubny wrote about this in his telegram channel.

    In the area of ​​the Kremennaya-Svatovo line, a strike group of about 35-40 thousand people was formed. In the south in Zaporozhye, the same picture

    - emphasized the military commander.

    Poddubny also noted the fact of water discharge at the cascades of hydroelectric power stations, indicating that the Kakhovskaya dam could be the purpose of these actions.

    However, the Russian units are ready to adequately meet the pressure of the Ukronazis. Thus, one of the fighters of the Southern Military District in the Zaporozhye region said that the Russian military had built several lines of defense and were ready to go on the offensive. At the same time, the RF Armed Forces use modern reconnaissance equipment to monitor the enemy and await an order to advance.

    The source also mentioned frequent sorties from the Ukrainian side in order to find weaknesses in the defense of Russian troops. However, all attempts of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to develop the offensive were unsuccessful.

    https://topcor-ru.translate.goog/28617-poddubnyj-40-tysjach-boevikov-vsu-gotovy-dvinutsja-na-kremennuju-takaja-zhe-situacija-i-na-zaporozhe.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    Ukrainian troops left Volchansk under cover of night and advanced in a southeast direction

    At night, military correspondents from the line of contact reported that Ukrainian troops withdrew their contingent from the city of Volchansk and its suburb of Bely Kolodez in the Kharkiv region. Under the cover of night and in heavy rain, the Ukrainian armed formations were sent by the command to the southeast - to the Russian borders in the area of ​​​​the Luhansk People's Republic.

    In this regard, the military commanders suggested that, in an attempt to demonstrate to the Ukrainian population “the cheerful spirit of the Armed Forces of Ukraine” and “readiness for peremoga”, Ukrainian units were sent towards Svatovo (LPR). Recall that a defense system has been built along the Svatovo-Kremennaya line in this direction.

    Ukrainian troops could try to take advantage of the night time and bad weather in order to go unnoticed from the air during the transfer.

    FULL ARTICLE: https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/203155-ukrainskie-vojska-pod-pokrovom-nochi-pokinuli-volchansk-i-vydvinulis-v-jugo-vostochnom-napravlenii.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  franco Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:39 pm

    Balitsky announced the elimination of 30 Ukrainian saboteurs while trying to enter the ZNPP

    Acting Governor of the Zaporozhye region Yevgeny Balitsky announced the elimination of 30 saboteurs who tried to enter the territory of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, RIA Novosti reports .

    Earlier, the politician said that sabotage groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to penetrate the territory of the Zaporozhye region, but these attempts are being suppressed.

    “Those that were at night, most of them were sunk. About 30 people were counted. A significant part of the boats was sunk, some of the militants were destroyed. The rest turned around and went back,” said Balitsky.

    The day before, the chairman of the movement "We are together with Russia " Volodymyr Rogov announced the activation of Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups in the Zaporozhye region.

    According to him, the number of Polish mercenaries on the line of contact in the Zaporozhye region, according to various estimates, has already reached five thousand.

    https://www-gazeta-ru.translate.goog/army/news/2022/10/12/18777703.shtml?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:44 pm

    How is the mobilization?

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:48 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:How is the mobilization?

    Are you the piece of shit that recently wrote Slava Ukraini here ? It seems to me that you are, you Ukrop **** !

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Oct 12, 2022 1:54 pm

    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:How is the mobilization?

    Are you the piece of shit that recently wrote Slava Ukraini here ? It seems to me that you are, you Ukrop **** !

    That post was a joke.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:15 pm

    A bit more from AZ:


    The organizer of the terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge was the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, five citizens of Russia, three citizens of Ukraine and Armenia were detained.

    It was established that the organizer of the terrorist attack on the Crimean Bridge was the GUR of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, its head Kirill Budanov, employees and agents. The explosive device was camouflaged in rolls with construction polyethylene film on 22 pallets with a total weight of 22,770 kilograms and in early August this year was sent from the seaport of Odessa to Bulgarian Ruse under contract No. 02/08/2022 between Translogistic UA LLC (Kiev) and Baltex Capital S.A. (Ruse).

    t.me/azmilitary11/24642

    Citizens of Ukraine Mikhail Vladimirovich Tsyurkalo, Denis Olegovich Kovach, Roman Ivanovich Solomko, citizens of Georgia Inosaridze Sandro, a broker named "Levan" and a citizen of Armenia Artur Terchanyan were involved in organizing the shipment of cargo from Bulgaria to the port of Poti (Georgia), and then to Armenia.

    From September 29 to October 3 in Yerevan at the Transalliance terminal, the cargo was cleared according to the rules of the EAEU and documents were substituted, after which its sender was already GU AR JI GROUP LLC (Armenia, Alaverdi), and the recipient was Leader LLC (Moscow).

    On October 4, the cargo crossed the Russian-Georgian border at the Upper Lars checkpoint on a DAF truck registered in Georgia and was delivered and unloaded at the Armavir wholesale base on October 6.

    On the seventh of October, with the assistance of R. Solomko, a citizen of Ukraine, Vladimir Vasilyevich Zloba, born in 1987, and five other established citizens of Russia, the documents for the cargo were changed again, the sender indicated LLC TEK-34 (Ulyanovsk), and the recipient was a non-existent company in the Republic of Crimea. On the same day, the pallets were loaded into the truck of a Russian citizen Yusubov Mahir, 1971. R., who left for Simferopol, and on October 8, 2022, at 06.03, while following the Crimean Bridge, an explosion was carried out.

    Control over the movement of cargo along the entire route and contacts with the participants were carried out by an employee of the GUR MOU, who introduced himself as "Ivan Ivanovich", who used both a virtual anonymous number purchased on the Internet and registered to a citizen of Ukraine, a resident of the city of Kremenchuk, Andreichenko Sergey Vladimirovich, for coordination.

    At the moment, five citizens of Russia, three citizens of Ukraine and Armenia, who participated in the preparation of the crime, have been detained as part of the criminal case.

    t.me/azmilitary11/24643

    X-ray of the truck at the customs post and documents on border crossing. The explosive device was camouflaged in rolls with construction plastic film.

    t.me/azmilitary11/24641

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    Post  RTN Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:35 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:
    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:How is the mobilization?

    Are you the piece of shit that recently wrote Slava Ukraini here ? It seems to me that you are, you Ukrop **** !

    That post was a joke.
    Podlodka is a joke too.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:37 pm

    🇷🇺 The floating crane has approached the Crimean bridge for its restoration, the second one is expected during the day, Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Khusnullin said

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    Post  diabetus Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:47 pm

    Erk wrote:
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    Arrow wrote:Today the strike intensity is much lower than yesterday.

    This is what pisses me off. The intensity should increase everyday. They are waiting for Nazis to blow up some thing again in mainland Russia after the Crimea bridge?

    Just exterminate the cockroaches once and for all now for God's sake.
    Intensity by itself is meaningless, you need rational targets.
    If the power network is down, there is no point in hitting it again until it is not down.
    Continuous attacks for the heck of it, is terrorism. Just like the shelling of Donetsk.


    The power network isn't down though

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:51 pm

    Ukies are trying to maintain their grid with hydro power.

    Why are they dumping all over the HPP cascade in Kyiv

    The day before, a version appeared on the Web that this is how the Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing an attack on Kherson or the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. And as a preparation, the water level in the Dnieper is being raised.

    But most likely, this has nothing to do with the offensive. Water is being dumped because there is not enough electricity. They don’t even dump it, but let more water through the turbines.

    Typically, hydroelectric power plants are used in order to smooth out fluctuations in consumption. When the peak of consumption comes and there is not enough electricity, they start the state district power station, and save water the rest of the time.

    Now in Ukraine there is a constant shortage of electricity, so a lot of water passes through the state district power station. But it cannot go on like this for long. Water levels in reservoirs will drop dramatically.


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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:52 pm

    Hole wrote:
    If Poland wants some parts of western 404 it has to give up his own western parts and give them back to Germany. This was the deal back in 1945. Poland looses some eastern regions and gets something from Germany as compensation.

    Well, this is something that Herr Leberwurst said, but connected to the ridiculous demands for war reparations.
    Pomerania and Silesia was part of that reparations.
    So if Poland considered those as nonexistent, well ... maybe there is really something to discuss Rolling Eyes
    Anyway, you can have Lvov and its surroundings from me as a gift, even considering that my family is coming from there Twisted Evil

    Anyway, I have no idea where you get the feeling about discontinuing the strikes from.
    Missiles are flying towards 404 like there is no tomorrow (well ... Laughing ), assisted by the dozens of G2.
    TG is full of fire&smoke again. List of the targets is no less impressive than Day 1, maybe a number is a bit lower as they are doing the damage corrections Laughing


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    Post  Backman Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:52 pm

    JohninMK wrote:A bit more from AZ:


     
      in early August this year was sent from the seaport of Odessa to Bulgarian Ruse under contract No. 02/08/2022 between Translogistic UA LLC (Kiev) and Baltex Capital S.A. (Ruse).

     

    Obviously the US can't be honest in a single deal it ever makes. This fact alone means that Russia could NEVER allow Ukraine to keep Odessa.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:55 pm

    TASS



    * Russian Defense Ministry: Ukrainian Armed Forces lost 60 soldiers and three infantry fighting vehicles as a result of attempts to force the Zherebets River
    "In the Krasnolymansk direction, another unsuccessful attempt by the enemy to force the Zherebets River in the areas of the settlements of Raigorodka, Karmazinovka, Rozovka, Makeevka and Novolyubovka of the Luhansk People's Republic was thwarted. Three infantry fighting vehicles, two armored vehicles and about sixty Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed," he said.


    * The Russian Armed Forces hit the headquarters of the "Right Sector", the communication center of "Azov" and the points of deployment of mercenaries
    During the special operation, the RF Armed Forces hit the headquarters of the "Right Sector", the communications center of "Azov" (both national formations are banned in the Russian Federation) and two points of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries in the Zaporozhye region. This was announced on Wednesday by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov.
    "Also, in the area of ​​the city of Zaporozhye, the headquarters of the nationalist formation "Right Sector", the communication center of the nationalist formation "Azov" and two points of temporary deployment of foreign mercenaries were struck," he said.


    * The RF Armed Forces repulsed the attempts of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine near three settlements in the Kupyansk direction
    During a special operation, Russian troops repelled attempts by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) to attack three settlements in the Kupyansk direction, killing more than 100 enemy servicemen. This was stated on Wednesday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.



    * "Fighter aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces shot down a Su-24 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force over the village of Khristoforovka, Nikolaev region. In addition, a Ukrainian Mi-8 helicopter was shot down near the village of Velikaya Aleksandrovka, Kherson region," Konashenkov said at a briefing on the progress of a special military operation on the territory of Ukraine.



    * Russian Armed Forces disrupted the transfer of Ukrainian reserves in the Andreevsky direction
    The Russian armed forces thwarted an attempt by the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) to transfer reserves across the Ingulets River in the Andreevsky direction. This was announced on Wednesday by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
    "Preemptive fire damage destroyed four crossings of the Armed Forces of Ukraine across the Ingulets River discovered by reconnaissance and disrupted the transfer of Ukrainian reserves to the combat area," he said.



    * The Russian Armed Forces knocked out the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the outskirts of Kislovka in the Kupyansk direction
    "The enemy managed to penetrate the defenses and reach the western outskirts of the settlement. With the active actions of our troops and the concentrated fire of Russian artillery, the Ukrainian units were driven out of the outskirts of Kislovka, dispersed and driven back to their original positions. The position of the Russian units along the front line was completely restored," he said. Konashenkov.


    * RF Armed Forces repelled all attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Krivoy Rog direction
    RF Armed Forces repelled all attacks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Krivoy Rog direction
    "In the Krivoy Rog direction, the enemy made attempts to attack with forces up to two battalions the settlements of Novovoskresenskoye, Velikaya Aleksandrovka and Sukhanovo in the Kherson region. All attacks were successfully repelled by Russian units," Konashenkov said.
    Russian units destroyed one tank, 16 armored combat vehicles, four vehicles and more than 70 Ukrainian servicemen.


    * The Russian Armed Forces hit the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson region that were advanced for the attack
    "In the Andriivka direction, Russian troops inflicted fire damage on the advanced units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to attack in the direction of the settlements of Kostromka and Ishchenka in the Kherson region. Two tanks, three armored vehicles, five pickup trucks and more than ninety Ukrainian servicemen were destroyed," Konashenkov said.


    * Russian air defense destroyed four Ukrainian UAVs and intercepted 12 HIMARS MLRS shells
    According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, since the beginning of the special military operation, 319 aircraft, 161 helicopters, 2,199 unmanned aerial vehicles, 380 anti-aircraft missile systems, 5,677 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 868 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3,465 guns have been destroyed since the beginning of the special military operation. field artillery and mortars, as well as 6,496 units of special military vehicles.


    * The Russian military during a special operation destroyed the Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile system "Buk M-1" in the Nikolaev region. This was stated on Wednesday by the official representative of the Russian Defense Ministry, Lieutenant-General Igor Konashenkov.
    "A Ukrainian Buk M-1 anti-aircraft missile system was destroyed in the area of ​​Shevchenkovo, Nikolaev region," he said.

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    Post  Backman Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:56 pm

    Leak in the Druzhba pipeline

    The northern branch of the Druzhba oil pipeline, which also supplies Germany, has a leak. It was discovered in Poland by the local operator PERN.

    So Poland would rather starve Germany than get its transit fees. Poland is probably just stealing oil. Who knows.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:59 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Ukies are trying to maintain their grid with hydro power.
    Why are they dumping all over the HPP cascade in Kyiv
    The day before, a version appeared on the Web that this is how the Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing an attack on Kherson or the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant. And as a preparation, the water level in the Dnieper is being raised.
    But most likely, this has nothing to do with the offensive. Water is being dumped because there is not enough electricity. They don’t even dump it, but let more water through the turbines.
    Typically, hydroelectric power plants are used in order to smooth out fluctuations in consumption. When the peak of consumption comes and there is not enough electricity, they start the state district power station, and save water the rest of the time.
    Now in Ukraine there is a constant shortage of electricity, so a lot of water passes through the state district power station. But it cannot go on like this for long. Water levels in reservoirs will drop dramatically.

    https://t.me/OstashkoNews/31528

    There were some reports yesterday, that this target was taken out.
    A huge ball of smoke was visible in that exact direction, while there is nothing interesting there to hit other that this cascade infrastructure. The pipes are exposed, and extremely easy to destroy.
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    Post  Erk Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:07 pm

    diabetus wrote:

    The power network isn't down though
    You do understand the difference between "down" and "out" don't you?

    Russia are careful not to hit the power generation, they go for substations and transmission infrastructure.
    It's quite strategic, and repairable.

    Think of it as puppy training for the Ukrainian citizens, when they let their government do something bad, Russia rubs their nose in it.

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