Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Ukraine would need to be crushed in order to seize that much of the land, I doubt Russia will go that far

all russia needs to do is close the western border and they will implode. No need to crush them

https://bnidigital.com/world/bidens-secret-message-to-zelensky-became-known-russian-news-en-28363/

WP: Biden urged Zelensky to drop complaints about insufficient US aid

The president USA Joe Biden warned the Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky about the difficulties in obtaining funds from Congress for Kyiv. They will arise if he continues to complain about the amount of assistance from Washingtonreports the Washington Post (WP), citing a former White House official.
The publication spoke about Biden’s secret message to Zelensky, in which the American leader urged his colleague to leave complaints about insufficient US assistance. Biden told the Ukrainian leader in a private conversation that it would be difficult for him to ask Congress for money if Zelenskiy seemed ungrateful and kept saying it wasn’t enough.

i guess i will be watching Telegram sometimes as well than twitter to chuckle.

The volume of missiles heading north continues today and all last night. CAP was up and working. Outlying picket line is also working although apparently nothing came our way.

I report nothing that is not already in local news. OpSec, ya know.

auslander wrote:The volume of missiles heading north continues today and all last night. CAP was up and working. Outlying picket line is also working although apparently nothing came our way.

I report nothing that is not already in local news. OpSec, ya know.

Any idea what has been hit today?

Arrow wrote:Today the strike intensity is much lower than yesterday.

The ground work has been done - now for the real war to start.

Troll speak: "They're running out of missiles!"

[Forwarded from SITREP- Rybar and Others in English ]
(http://t.me/SLG_MAPS/306) Russian Armed Forces strikes on Ukraine's Energy system on 10-11 October 2022 - @Rybar Analysis

Following massive missile strikes by the Russian Armed Forces against Ukraine's energy infrastructure on 10 and 11 October, it is only now that a relatively complete picture of the results of the firing and the extent of damage to certain targets is emerging.

Rybar's team analyzed open-source data, eyewitness reports from the field, NASA's FIRMS fire-fighting map, and information from classified sources. In some cases, the effects of a fire are not so clear and data are lacking. In such cases, the item is marked as 'Requires clarification'.

Objects hit on 10 October:
1.1. Kiev TPP-5;
1.2. Kiev TPP-6 (presumably a miss);
1.3. Pryvokzalna 110 kV substation (former open switchgear of TETs-3);
1.4. Darnitsa TPP;
2. Tripolskaya TPP.
3. Zhitomir 330/110 kV substation;
4. Khmelnitskaya 330/110 kV substation;
5. Ternopil 330/110 kV substation;
6.1 TS Lvivskaya TETs-1
6.2 Substation Lviv-South 330/220/110 kV;
6.3 Substation Lviv-2 220/110/6kV;
7. Substation 110/35/10kV Zdolbunov TSHK (presumably, clarification needed);
8. Zapadno-Ukrainskaya 750/330kV substation (needs clarification);
9. Burshtynskaya TPP;
10. Krivoy Rog TPP;
11. Prydniprovska TES;
12. Kremenchug 330/154/35/10 kV substation;
13. Substation Konotop 330/110 kV;
14.1 Substation Zalyutino 330/110/35 kV;
14.2 Kharkov CHPP-5;
14.3 Zmievskaya TPP.

The facilities affected on 11 October:
1. Ladyzhinskaya TPP;
2. 330 kV Lvov-Yuzhnaya substation;
3. Substation 154kV Lviv -2;
4. 330kV Lvov Westerly substation (presumably, needs clarification);
5. Substation Zapadno-Ukrainskaya 750/330kV (needs clarification);
6. Substation Prydniprovskaya 750 kV;
7. Kiev TPP-6 area (presumably a miss);
8. Kiev HPP Vyshgorod;
9. PS "VDGMK" 330/150/35/6 kV Volnogorsk;
10. Pavlogradskaya 330/150/35/6kV substation (needs clarification);
11. Substation Pravoberezhnaya 330kV Zaporozhye (requires clarification).

Based on the available information, we believe that the most effective strikes were in Lvov, Kharkov, Khmelnytsky and Sumy regions.

Despite this, power supply has now been restored almost everywhere, but the transmission capacity of the power system has been reduced as a result of the strikes.

Transformers and autotransformers at 330/110 and 330/150 kV are most likely to have been hit. Substations and thermal power plants managed to reduce both generation and transmission capacity of the power system.

An indirect indication of the effectiveness of the strikes can be found in the fact that Ukraine has refused to export electricity to the EU and Moldova.

Emergency schemes are used to bypass damaged parts of the electrical system. The effect of their use creates the illusion of solving problems, but in fact it only postpones them.

However, it is clear that the damage to the Ukrainian energy system is not enough to fragment it into separate power districts. The stability of the energy system is maintained through forced rolling blackouts of consumers - especially during morning and evening peak hours.

So it seems FUkraine has still some power stations left, Russia needs to send another volley of missiles to wipe out all that remains and plunge the Nazis into eternal darkness.

PHST, Serbia was also targeted with graphite bombs and the electrical network was systematically destroyed, so we managed to repair as much as possible. Time takes its toll and impacts like this will have an effect.

That wasn't even funny.

All this time in Syria and in the Ukraine the Russians are evil and intentionally target schools and hospitals and churches... it is western propaganda that is not funny... and the hilarious thing is that if they accidentally did hit a school or church no one in the west would care because as far as they know that is what they target anyway.

There is nothing funny about this situation.

I was talking about full "Kill 'Em All" on the Nazi asses on day one. Nothing retard in that.

And those brave nazis will hide behind civilians so you will have to kill them too if you want to get the nazis shooting at you now.

Or you could read it as, Russian weaponry was always perceived as non-accurate by Western media, but this shows the total opposite as they were able to destroy all vital infrastructure with minimal civilian casualties.

It was certainly not meant as a compliment.

Because if this was an American war they would have "precision striked" entire apartment blocks, hospitals, schools, churches, and wedding parties. I do not live in a normal country.

Would still be considered bad but the US would not get the blame... it is the enemy third world tiny country that made us bomb them... it is their own fault really.

Cannot understand why Russia waited so long to mobilize and allowed these atrocities to occur:

Kiev allowed these atrocities to occur and they and the perpetrators are to blame.

How many in the west would hold Barrak Obama personally responsible for all the black people in the US shot by police while he was president?

indeed everything happening now should have been done day 1 and kept that way (upon deploying the correct amount of troops) it would have saved so many problems which is what the "doomers" have been saying

Yeah of course... WWII would have been so much easier for everyone if the US had just dropped those two Nukes on Germany when they invaded Poland in 1939...

What were the thinking.

Remembering when some of you were blasting Elon, lol. I might try to dig up the usernames, just for kicks and giggles.

Elon might sound like the most reasonable voice coming from the west but he wants the conflict to end and Zelensky to remain in power and all of occupied Ukraine that Russia has not rescued from the US and EU to remain part of that grouping..... (ie Americas bitch).

He is still a smoke and mirrors guy who takes opportunities when they present themselves.

It is not Elons fault that the US military have lots of things they want him to make that they can't get direct funding for so they give him projects to design and perfect the same technology and then probably hire his companies to provide the military version... so in the mean time he gets money thrown at him and he is designated too big to fail no matter what he does.

It is worth noting that 2021 marks the 50th anniversary of the adoption of this, without exaggeration, the legendary product of the domestic military-industrial complex. But, despite the venerable age, the combat "Wasps" continue to serve in the Russian Army and the armies of many other countries of the world.

It is noted that more than 500 Osa anti-aircraft missile systems still remain in service with 15 countries of the world - Algeria, Libya, Jordan, Poland, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and other states.

According to experts, in total, more than 1,790 anti-aircraft missile systems of the Osa family were propduced at Kupol.

Probably safe to assume the systems from Jordan and Poland and Bulgaria and Czech R and Slovakia have already been sent to Kiev...

What the hell? Who unbanned this troll?

AFAIK he was not banned...

She is a Jew supporting fake Nazis or clowns. The Nazis (reals) disappeared in 1945, but "Nazism" has been the best ally of international Jewry ever since. All the indemnities that they have obtained from Germany and from the holotale.

The real nazis ran away to western germany and joined HATO and built rockets for the US of A.

WTF is this? I don't like this kind of talk from Russia. Sounds weak and like they're looking for an off-ramp. How can there possibly be any talks about any deals on Ukraine now? We're way past that point at this time...

Russia is always open to talking... but the west does not take the opportunity to listen... I am sure if the meeting does take place Biden will make demands and suggest concessions they could take (but wont of course).

They have been with these rumors for months. Russia is not going to negotiate with the Ukrainian regime.

They will keep up appearances of trying to find a diplomatic solution, but after they crossed those borders the concessions from Kiev and the west are only going to get bigger an bigger over time and they were unacceptable to Kiev before they accepted the Crimea into the federation...

Let's hope. Would be a waste of time. The West is doubling down on helping this filthy nazi regime. Destroying them should be the only thing on Russia's mind, not "peace" talks.

If they have spies in the Ukraine in Kiev then having the regime... or those with a say in the Ukraine getting together for talks might create a useful opportunity if you know what I mean...

Russia needs to maintain momentum, strengthen ties with China, India, Turkey and Golf region. The US will end up in hyper inflation and the EU is beyond saving at this point.

No negotiations imho. They cannot be trusted.

And that is important too... any agreement should not include the EU because they are nothing to Russia now, and don't really even need to include Kiev because this is all about the US.

Russia and the west are pretty much over and even when the war stops Russia will already be sending most of the energy resources it produces to China and Asia... including India... they wont have the capacity or the interest to supply energy to the west any more... certainly not cheap energy... that ship has sailed.

Once Ukrainian military infrastructure is destroyed, a buffer zone past at least 8 oblasts including Odesa to link eastern Moldova is established, then talks. But not sure what there’ll be left to talk about. Grain supply routes and no fly zones perhaps but **** all else.

All the most powerful and influential nazis in the Ukraine need to get together in one building and thrash out their views on life and poetry and which fast and furious movie was the best... and joining them can be all the HATO instructors and US citizens in political positions in their government past and present... and while they are doing that... some entertainment can be organised... perhaps a light show...

See, this is what I don't understand, why is Russia even entertaining these ideas?

They turn up and they listen and then they don't agree and leave... it gives Kiev something to do and fills in time as winter approaches.

Russia probably couldn't trust Kiev or the US anyway, but it does not hurt to listen.

lol, if that's Russia's calculus and if they accept some half-assed "peace deal" to end the war because "war is expensive and stuff", then I will consider this SMO a complete and utter failure because the main objectives were not completed for a satisfactory outcome for Russia imo.

Don't confuse Putin with Yeltsin. Putin knows exactly what he wants and he is dictating terms here.

Putin and his inner circle will look real bad if any half-assed "peace deal" is accepted. Not saying this will happen, but if we're hearing murmurs of them wanting to talk with Biden and Co. and now with Erdogan and Co. on some "negotiated settlement", there's gotta be some willingness on the Russians to have talks and see what the other side offers at this moment.

Putin is not a fool. He is not an American leader either whose first reaction is to send in the military and destroy countries and cultures.

He will be feeling every Russian soldiers death and every Russia civilians death too... do you honestly think he will piss all over their memory and retreat back to the Crimea and ask for the Minsk agreements instead and the promise that they wont cut Crimeas water again or do all the other shit they did and are doing to other regions?

You do sound like a doomsayer... stop watching western media it is rotting your brain.

faketube influencers are now reporting Russia is finished as a military force .... these aholes watch to much Western MSM

Their fall to reality will be amusing.

In their minds the Orcs are probably still advancing...

Ah more peace deals aka just buy Ukraine time, pointless to even listen to these "deals"

I would say listen to what they say... it will be amusing to hear them gradually give up more and more, but of course it will be some time before they catch up with Russian demands which will grow day by day too.

Ukraine would need to be crushed in order to seize that much of the land, I doubt Russia will go that far

Most of them fell in to line with the nazis with vague promises of a future with Europe and the west (ie US)...

I would think their future with Russia would actually be better even just as a neutral state on its border.

Biden told the Ukrainian leader in a private conversation that it would be difficult for him to ask Congress for money if Zelenskiy seemed ungrateful and kept saying it wasn’t enough.

But that conflicts with Zelenskys plan to blame the failures of the Orcs and Nazis to win against Russia on the west not providing enough weapons and ammo, and not good enough weapons and ammo in time for them to be used.

The ground work has been done - now for the real war to start.

Troll speak: "They're running out of missiles!"

Real world speak... they are too good at playing whack a mole so they are probably actually running out of targets worth a missile.

So it seems FUkraine has still some power stations left, Russia needs to send another volley of missiles to wipe out all that remains and plunge the Nazis into eternal darkness.

Perhaps one of the real goals was to stop the Ukraine from sending energy to the EU because the next step might be cutting off gas and oil supplies...

10/12/2022
TASS

FT: Ukraine vulnerable due to lack of air defense systems




As the publication points out, a small number of air defense systems "has become one of the main weak points of Kiev"
LONDON, 11 October. /TASS/. The Ukrainian military lacks air defense (AD) systems, leaving Ukraine vulnerable to rocket attacks. This was reported by the British newspaper Financial Times on Tuesday.
As the publication points out, the small number of air defense systems in the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) "has become one of the main weak points of Kiev." Ukraine has an "impressive territory", which is why shells in the event of rocket attacks "can fly up from various directions." The small number of long-range, high-precision air defense systems at the republic's disposal are "clearly not enough" to effectively protect the entire territory, Western officials, who wished to remain anonymous, told the newspaper. The situation is also complicated by the fact that recently the military leadership of the republic "transferred a significant part of such systems to the front line."

Recently, Kiev has "intensified the work" of diplomatic missions in Western countries in order to provide the Armed Forces of Ukraine with air defense systems. This request "finds understanding" in the West, the newspaper notes, citing sources. In addition, earlier Ukraine had already reached an agreement with the United States on the supply of eight NASAMS anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) to the republic, the first two of them "should arrive in a few months", as well as with Germany - on the sending of four IRIS-T air defense systems, the first of which is expected "in a few days".

At the same time, experts from the London analytical center Royal United Services believe that "total protection" of Ukraine could not be provided by "all air defense systems in the world." In this situation, the military leadership in Kiev will have to "seek a balance" between covering the front line and protecting the rear, they conclude.

https://vpk.name/news/640057_ft_ukraina_uyazvima_iz-za_nehvatki_sistem_pvo.html

owais.usmani wrote:

Arrow wrote:Today the strike intensity is much lower than yesterday.

This is what pisses me off. The intensity should increase everyday. They are waiting for Nazis to blow up some thing again in mainland Russia after the Crimea bridge?

Just exterminate the cockroaches once and for all now for God's sake.

Intensity by itself is meaningless, you need rational targets.
If the power network is down, there is no point in hitting it again until it is not down.
Continuous attacks for the heck of it, is terrorism. Just like the shelling of Donetsk.

Erk wrote:

auslander wrote:The volume of missiles heading north continues today and all last night. CAP was up and working. Outlying picket line is also working although apparently nothing came our way.

I report nothing that is not already in local news. OpSec, ya know.

Any idea what has been hit today?

Think before you write.

How would someone at the launch end of a missile's trajectory have any idea of where its destination was that might be 100's km away?

JohninMK wrote:

Erk wrote:

auslander wrote:The volume of missiles heading north continues today and all last night. CAP was up and working. Outlying picket line is also working although apparently nothing came our way.

I report nothing that is not already in local news. OpSec, ya know.

Any idea what has been hit today?

Think before you write.

How would someone at the launch end of a missile's trajectory have any idea of where its destination was that might be 100's km away?

Referring to Auslander here I guess

JohninMK wrote:

Erk wrote:

auslander wrote:The volume of missiles heading north continues today and all last night. CAP was up and working. Outlying picket line is also working although apparently nothing came our way.

I report nothing that is not already in local news. OpSec, ya know.

Any idea what has been hit today?

Think before you write.

How would someone at the launch end of a missile's trajectory have any idea of where its destination was that might be 100's km away?

By reading the local news summary on what has been hit, and not care about where the missile came from.

owais.usmani wrote:
Oh please now seriously!

Even if the power network is down, there are still thousands and thousands of targets waiting to be hit.

The entire Nazi society across Ukraine needs to be exterminated.

That's why people like you are not put in charge of selecting targets.

The Russians have so far managed to keep it down to only 14 civilian casualties in the past couple of days.
They value life more than you obviously do.
Good luck in the afterlife.

* 11:25 The head of the Dnepropetrovsk region of Ukraine announced a new explosion on the energy infrastructure in the Kamyansky district

* 11:34 The CAA of the Zaporozhye region reports that during an attempted landing of the DRG near the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant, several boats were sunk and up to 30 enemy personnel were destroyed.

* 11:38 They also report attacks on energy infrastructure facilities in the Sumy region. Locals write about attacks on the substation and blackouts in a number of districts of the region.
In general, the process continues, but less intensively than on October 10-11.

* 11:55 Attacks were made on the energy infrastructure in the Sumy and Shostka districts of the Sumy region.

Joe Biden flapping his demented gums takes the cake for rabid hypocrisy. Nobody was crying when the US bombed civilian infrastructure
in Serbia, Iraq and Syria. It's OK for the US and its NATzO minions to bomb water treatment plants. Russia has not attacked any water
treatment plants. Targeting electrical power stations is legitimate since they are being used for the Kiev regime war effort.

Broski wrote:Lots of people are discussing how this war in Ukraine could possibly end and three distinct outcomes come to mind.

Most favorable outcome for NATO: Afghanistanization of Ukraine, Slavic ISIS terrorizing both Ukrainian and Russian civilians with car/truck/motorbike bombs and suicide drones striking critical infrastructure, lawless and ungovernable with no real central authority other than CIA/MI6/SBU rats giving their terror cells marching orders. Least likely outcome in my opinion especially with the upgrade of this SMO and the appointment of General Balls-Deep, No-Lube Sergey Surovikin.
 
Compromising outcome: Syrianization of Ukraine, thoroughly "Decommunized" out of existence with western Ukraine going to Poland, Hungary and Romania, Novorossiya & everything east of the Dnieper going to Russia and Ukraine becoming a landlocked Microstate with about as much geopolitical significance as Lesotho. 



Most favorable outcome for Russia: North Koreanization of Ukraine, which surprisingly hasn't been discussed much. The Ukraine is already a Quasi-Military Dictatorship in everything but name only, taking marching orders directly from NATO leadership, grabbing anyone of military age off the street and feeding them to Russian artillery like a slaughterhouse. 

Since Banderastan has demonstrated their inability to function as a sovereign country for 30+ years, take everything from Odessa/Transnistria to Kharkov and return it to Russia, turn the Black sea into a Russian lake, mobilize any Ukro POW's that want to fight and send them to conquer the rest of the landlocked shithole with the Wagner musicians, Chechens, LDPR volunteers and anyone else that wants a piece of Kiev/Lvov (which I can imagine is a lot of people). 

An unspoken truth about the Ukraine is that it cannot be governed democratically, there are no neutral or pro-Russian political organizations that can contain the rabid neonazi groups, opportunistic oligarchs and the Russophobic populace that are easily led astray by the collective west promising prosperity and freedom if they simply fight against Russia. But they can't be left to their own devices either anymore than you would leave a grenade or a Glock 19 in the hands of a Monkey. A Ukrainian military dictatorship subservient to Russia like North Korea is to China is probably the only long-term solution.

I find ANY idea of NATO state acquiring Ukrainian territory as completely absurd as neither USA nor UE will ever accept that some of their constituent/vassal states would side with Russia into partitioning Ukraine.
Only territory in which such thing could happen is the one not mentioned here i.e. the Bessarabia coast line, to be eventually given to Moldova in exchange of Transnistria, but it will not change the final outcome in any relevant way.
There is another solution but it is absolutely a dire one: military occupation of whole Ukraine and ethnic cleansing of their western part (making them refugees in the west, let it be ABSOLUTELY clear) so to show to the word that the price of siding with USA/UK is the end of your own statehood.

Podlodka77 wrote:The small number of long-range, high-precision air defense systems at the republic's disposal are "clearly not enough" to effectively protect the entire territory.

High-precision is something of a basic requirement for any AD system. 

Royal United Services believe that "total protection" of Ukraine could not be provided by "all air defense systems in the world."

World = western bloc. Russia will have no problems in providing AD cover for this area after it´s liberation. 


If Poland wants some parts of western 404 it has to give up his own western parts and give them back to Germany. This was the deal back in 1945. Poland looses some eastern regions and gets something from Germany as compensation.