Russian special military operation in Ukraine #28

billybatts91 wrote:See, this is what I don't understand, why is Russia even entertaining these ideas?

https://twitter.com/ilciclistainblu/status/1579781359178223618

https://twitter.com/ilciclistainblu/status/1579781361078276097

billybatts91 wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:See, this is what I don't understand, why is Russia even entertaining these ideas?

https://twitter.com/ilciclistainblu/status/1579781359178223618

https://twitter.com/ilciclistainblu/status/1579781361078276097

Because war is expensive.  Now Russia will probably win this, after all that is why they named Surovikin overall commander and have actually been pounding Uke infrastructure for a change.  However, peace is almost always more profitable than war and Lavrov is not saying Russia is going to quit the war, but that Russia is interested in hearing what Ukraine has to offer.  Since Zelensky will never agree to recognize the vote of the peoples of Donbass, Kherson, Zaprozhiye, and Crmea none of this diplomacy really matters, and this shit show will go on.  However, getting feelers for peace and compromise might be very good for Russian intelligence to determine how much more is needed to get Ukraine to accept terms favorable to Russia.  

lol, if that's Russia's calculus and if they accept some half-assed "peace deal" to end the war because "war is expensive and stuff", then I will consider this SMO a complete and utter failure because the main objectives were not completed for a satisfactory outcome for Russia imo. Putin and his inner circle will look real bad if any half-assed "peace deal" is accepted. Not saying this will happen, but if we're hearing murmurs of them wanting to talk with Biden and Co. and now with Erdogan and Co. on some "negotiated settlement", there's gotta be some willingness on the Russians to have talks and see what the other side offers at this moment.

I don't want to sound like a doomer or anything, I hope and pray this is just mind games being played to mess with the West, Zelensky and the cretins around him.

Erk wrote:



Russia would lose a conventional attack on Kaliningrad by Nato

Kaliningrad is smallest region in Russia with area of 15,100 km² and population of 941,873 people serves as one of the most important regions in Russia as its more far west region and separated from rest of country. According to 2014 data the region holds 225,000 military personnel, the number that seems to have increased last two years. Kaliningrad is both advantage and danger for Russian military and political interests in the Baltic region and a challenge for NATO to counter the possible treats coming from Russian military stationed there.

https://www.numbers-stations.com/articles/russian-military-in-kaliningrad/

Broski wrote:Lots of people are discussing how this war in Ukraine could possibly end and three distinct outcomes come to mind.

Most favorable outcome for NATO: Afghanistanization of Ukraine, Slavic ISIS terrorizing both Ukrainian and Russian civilians with car/truck/motorbike bombs and suicide drones striking critical infrastructure, lawless and ungovernable with no real central authority other than CIA/MI6/SBU rats giving their terror cells marching orders. Least likely outcome in my opinion especially with the upgrade of this SMO and the appointment of General Balls-Deep, No-Lube Sergey Surovikin.
 
Compromising outcome: Syrianization of Ukraine, thoroughly "Decommunized" out of existence with western Ukraine going to Poland, Hungary and Romania, Novorossiya & everything east of the Dnieper going to Russia and Ukraine becoming a landlocked Microstate with about as much geopolitical significance as Lesotho. 



Most favorable outcome for Russia: North Koreanization of Ukraine, which surprisingly hasn't been discussed much. The Ukraine is already a Quasi-Military Dictatorship in everything but name only, taking marching orders directly from NATO leadership, grabbing anyone of military age off the street and feeding them to Russian artillery like a slaughterhouse. 

Since Banderastan has demonstrated their inability to function as a sovereign country for 30+ years, take everything from Odessa/Transnistria to Kharkov and return it to Russia, turn the Black sea into a Russian lake, mobilize any Ukro POW's that want to fight and send them to conquer the rest of the landlocked shithole with the Wagner musicians, Chechens, LDPR volunteers and anyone else that wants a piece of Kiev/Lvov (which I can imagine is a lot of people). 

An unspoken truth about the Ukraine is that it cannot be governed democratically, there are no neutral or pro-Russian political organizations that can contain the rabid neonazi groups, opportunistic oligarchs and the Russophobic populace that are easily led astray by the collective west promising prosperity and freedom if they simply fight against Russia. But they can't be left to their own devices either anymore than you would leave a grenade or a Glock 19 in the hands of a Monkey. A Ukrainian military dictatorship subservient to Russia like North Korea is to China is probably the only long-term solution.

Backman wrote:Report: Russian military broadcasts recommending that inhabitants evacuate the city

kvs wrote:Malorossiya =/= Little Russia

It means core Russia or heartland Russia.   Ukr historical fiction peddlers came up with the blood libel that Malorossiya is a name
created by Russian chauvinists to denigrate Ukrainians.   In 1897 nobody in Maolorossyia called themselves Ukrainian and
that was not because their culture was repressed.   The Bolsheviks were the ones that created the fake state called Ukraine
by foisting the Poland-adjacent language and culture on the rest of the territory of their concocted state.  

Volyn is not Ucrania. (c) Taras Shevchenko Shevchenko knows elementary geography. Bucovina is not Ucrania - 1827 Revealingly, Galitzia, Volyn and Podolia are also not Ukraine. "Atlas historique de la Pologne"

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