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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30 flamming_python Sat Oct 22, 2022 8:29 am
zorobabel wrote:Seems there is a large number of RU forces now west of the Dnieper. UKR forces are getting clapped every time they try to advance. Videos today show ~12 armoured losses.
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andalusia wrote:Have you guys heard that Biden is deploying the 101st Airborne to Europe? Should this concern Russia?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-news-russia-us-army-101st-airborne-nato-war-games-romania/
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Did you hear about the Indian deal to smuggle Svetlana Alliloejeva out of the S.S.R? You probably did like millions of gullible Russians when it was too late.flamming_python wrote:Never heard about any Indian deal
Imran Khan was trying to be too smart by half. He was reaching out to Russia while at the same time he was making deals with the west. His kids continue to live in the U.K.flamming_python wrote:but the Pakistan one doesn't much surprise me. The Pakistani Army Chief and his top brass are part of the same clique who deposed Khan.
Not just Pantsir. BUK bringing down several of these HIMARS and cruise missiles.Arkanghelsk wrote:interception of HIMARS GMLRS
Taken down by Pantsir SM
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30 flamming_python Sat Oct 22, 2022 10:10 am
Tolstoy wrote:
Pakistan will always remain under army control. They are interested in building a relationship with Russia. They are not anti Russia.
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Iran is helping Russia in this conflict which is good but how is Iran's relation with Pakistan and India? Is Pakistan an ally of Iran?nomadski wrote: So Belorussia will not allow the Uki rear to be plugged shut against weapon shipments ? And everyone is making money by arms shipments , including India and Pakistan ? And American airborne arrived in Europe ?
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Do you have proof that Iran is helping Russia in the conflict, from either a Russian or Iranian source not just western propaganda?Tolstoy wrote:
Iran is helping Russia in this conflict which is good but how is Iran's relation with Pakistan and India? Is Pakistan an ally of Iran?
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flamming_python wrote:limb wrote:
So this last article confirms my suspicions that the russian military spent too much money on james bond villain weapons instead of practical equipment that wins wars and saves lives.
Russia should've done what china did. Invest very little in strategic nuclear weaponry, only as much as to gaurantee MAD, and go all in on precision guided munitions, drones, replaced all the 1960s trash cans like grad and gvozdika with tornado and koialitsiya. This saves russian soldiers rather than trying to be all scary to NATO with muh superduper godzilla tsunami torpedo 9000.
If we're not in nuclear war yet between NATO and Russia, then the James Bond villain weapons are doing their job
Now as for the rest. Russia did invest in plenty of practical equipment that wins wars. Indeed including a replacement for both the Grad - the Tornado-G, and the Gvozdika in the face of the 2S34 Khosta modernization. Both of these add GLONASS support and modern fire control systems at the minimum. With the Tornado-G also offering up a newer truck chassis, and the Khosta packing a new gun and guided round capability.
It's a different matter that Russia clearly doesn't have enough of either in service in comparison with the earlier Soviet models still vastly outnumbering them in service, also the fact that these are fairly straightforward and inexpensive modernizations raises some questions.
But you can make a criticism of NATO too - in that they've invested too much money into fighting colonial-type campaigns like in Iraq or Afghanistan, with the sort of equipment and capabilities too match. But not enough focus on mass conventional conflicts.
Mostly Russia does use upgraded or new gear where it counts (tanks, air power, infantry equipment, etc..), and the Soviet-era stuff is typically sufficient in the roles where its still extensively employed in (artillery, ATGMs, etc..)
We can notice a deficiency in C4I compared to NATO - but that has been that way for a long time.
On the other hand Russia possess very strong EW capabilities but it is conservative about using them, over fears of revealing too much.
Small unit tactics and command, together with organic UAVs and recon means Russia seems to be behind in - but again that's old news.
On the other hand Russia has the Tos-1s and Shmels, which go a long way towards making a bad day for any commando group with satellite support that is encountered.
Point is you're always going to have strengths and weaknesses in any comparison.
Russia's artillery may be mostly old but there hasn't been any report of it breaking down under stress, as we've heard about the much heralded PzH 2000
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Anyway, now that Ukros are using ATACMS, .
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The resumption of ammonia exports was part of the extension of the "grain deal". By the way, the American company Occidental Petroleum has already paid for the next supply of ammonia.
Liberating the DPR, I mean russian oblast of donetsk and moving the frontline away from donetsk out of range of child murdering bombardments is the objective. Ukrainians are still murdering children by shooting from avdeevka, Toretsk, novgorodskoe, kransogorovka and marinka without a worry in their minds for 8 months now because theres been almost no progress in the DPR.
So this last article confirms my suspicions that the russian military spent too much money on james bond villain weapons instead of practical equipment that wins wars and saves lives.
Russia should've done what china did. Invest very little in strategic nuclear weaponry, only as much as to gaurantee MAD, and go all in on precision guided munitions, drones, replaced all the 1960s trash cans like grad and gvozdika with tornado and koialitsiya. This saves russian soldiers rather than trying to be all scary to NATO with muh superduper godzilla tsunami torpedo 9000.
GarryB had recently mentioned in one of the threads how those Indian bustards have entered into a deal with Nancy Pelosi to arm Ukraine via Armenia.
Did you hear about the Indian deal to smuggle Svetlana Alliloejeva out of the S.S.R? You probably did like millions of gullible Russians when it was too late.
Pakistan will always remain under army control. They are interested in building a relationship with Russia. They are not anti Russia.
Yars, kh-101,bulava and topol prevent nuclear war,
Not janes bond villain tsunami torpedoes.
Russian C4ISR was proven as a weakeness back in 2008. Do you agree that it hadnt been improved very insufficiently by feb. 24 2022?
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But unlike China, India is anything but affluent. Cannot offer anything worthwhile to Iran unlike Russia and China.nomadski wrote:No Iran relations with India is better . India should not be isolated and ports in Iran exist to allow trade with Russia and central Asia . This as an alternative to Suez canal .
China putting too many eggs in Pakistan basket . The trade route to Arabian Sea by ports not entirely reliable , Chinese workers killed recently . Pakistan too close to America . Then ruling class is composed of land owning classes , with extremist right-wing " Islamist " ideology . Supporters of Taliban , sectarian elements in Afghanistan , anti - socialist and anti- democrat , America likes very much . Indian is different . China needs more routes through Afghanistan North , Russia needs routes in Iran to PG . Port lease possible , with local Russian " security" personnel .
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/07/20/in-ukraine-american-himars-missile-launchers-disrupt-russian-military-logistics_5990833_4.htmlJohninMK wrote:Got any proof of that?
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On October 13, kamikaze drones also flew near Kiev on some infrastructure facilities. Interestingly, judging by the photos of the remains of one of the drones and its engine, here the blow was inflicted not by the usual Shahed-136 aka "Geranium-2" with MD-550 piston engines, but apparently by their younger brother Shahed-131, which, judging by the wreckage, received the name "Geranium-1"from us. Shahed-131-drones from the same Iranian family as Shahed-136, but Shahed-131 has a shorter range of up to 900 km and a smaller warhead of 15 kg and is equipped with a rotary-piston engine (Wankel engine) Shahed-783, which were created in Iran on the basis of copying the Chinese MDR-208 (the latter, in turn, are a copy of the British AR731). The remains of such an engine are also clearly visible in the photo from near Kiev. https://imp-navigator.livejournal.com/1090085.html
Источник: https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.1b14c91d-6353a842-f3124a00-74722d776562/bastion-karpenko.ru ВТС «БАСТИОН» A.V.Karpenko
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Tolstoy wrote:https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/07/20/in-ukraine-american-himars-missile-launchers-disrupt-russian-military-logistics_5990833_4.htmlJohninMK wrote:Got any proof of that?
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Arrow wrote:It seems that today there was a very strong attack on Ukraine's energy infrastructure.
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Tolstoy wrote:
But unlike China, India is anything but affluent. Cannot offer anything worthwhile to Iran unlike Russia and China.
At least Pakistan is an Islamic state much like Iran and millions of Shias live in Pakistan. So Iran has common ground with Pakistan.https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/07/20/in-ukraine-american-himars-missile-launchers-disrupt-russian-military-logistics_5990833_4.htmlJohninMK wrote:Got any proof of that?
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Summary of arrivals.5 minutes ago local time in Ukraine on 10/22/2022
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Has the Pentagon accepted that U.S military operatives are working along with Ukraine?JohninMK wrote:Sorry but a Ukrainian " Mr. Skibitsky stressed that his army will soon have American MGM-140 ATACMS" months ago does not overrule the Pentagon continuing statements that they are not supplying that big missile.
They don't. Highest GDP in your own legal tender doesn't help unless it is hard currency like US dollar, Euro, Yen or Pound.Erk wrote:India has the 3rd. highest GDP in the world. You better go look up what affluent actually means.
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Tolstoy wrote:Has the Pentagon accepted that U.S military operatives are working along with Ukraine?JohninMK wrote:Sorry but a Ukrainian " Mr. Skibitsky stressed that his army will soon have American MGM-140 ATACMS" months ago does not overrule the Pentagon continuing statements that they are not supplying that big missile.
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