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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
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Hole wrote:Rust was on the radar many times.
Yes I know. Yet it was not considered any kind of real threat.
Hole wrote:No blood or faces so I decided to post these pics. De-nazification and de-militarization continues.
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... and the Russian language sources are such full of this type of materials, that only a madman would deny the horrendous losses of Ukrainians. They are really dying by hundreds daily.
This thing starts to really remind me Vietnam.
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Were those decoys ever tested against a serious air defence?NATO already has MALD decoy.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
Airbornewolf Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:34 am
RF troops repel ukrainian attack in the Beryslav Region
RF Airborne troops destroy enemy equipment with lancet drones
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This attack has been physically annihilated.
In case if anyone has a questions who is dictating the effects there
In case if anyone has a questions who is dictating the effects there
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
flamming_python Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:24 am
Tsavo Lion wrote:I posted many sites in Russian & none in Ukrainian, as well as in English, from all sides; sticking to 1-sided views doesn't show any variety & stifles critical thinking, much less the ability to read between the lines. As is well known, the 1st casualty of war is the truth; that's why I refrain from commenting too much to avoid arguments & hollering, & to let every1 make their own determinations & form opinions, without appearing to be imposing any of my own.
https://news.antiwar.com/2022/10/20/us-general-makes-rare-visit-to-nuclear-armed-submarine-in-arabian-sea/
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-10-20/russia-says-it-continued-to-hit-ukrainian-energy-and-military-sites-over-last-24-hours
https://www.rt.com/russia/565029-ukraine-aid-us-mccarthy/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63329266
I agree with showing all sides, and applying critical thinking
But the pro-Ukro regime side is already overwhelmingly over-represented everywhere. Even as someone living in Russia. Go to Google - pro-Ukraine news articles. Go to YouTube - pro-Ukraine videos. Go to Facebook - some users still with Ukrainian flags on their avatars.
This forum is the variety. Why pollute that.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
GunshipDemocracy Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:26 am
Tsavo Lion wrote:Many here don't have American TV. at least to me, it's interesting to see what both sides r saying.
That way I can sift trough propaganda & half truths from all sides to form a more complete picture.
So when Ukro-Wehrmacht reaches Moscow? US TV was saying that Russians run out of missiles already in the beginning o march.
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I am seeing that Kiev was dark last night, if so great. Also, what targets got washing machined and swedish traffic cammed today?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
flamming_python Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:29 am
Tsavo Lion wrote:The US can set up a plant in Mexico/C. America/Micronesia to make them cheap.
Or they can just print more money
They don't care how much it costs
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They are more prepared than any given country in NATO.
I suppose that the Iranians MIGHT be better prepared in a sense of tools, yet doubt the numbers - that is why I have several times claimed that we should very carefully inspect the Iranian AD assets and composition. They are obviously well established with antidrone warfare.
It may be that they are, but that still wouldn't be saying much
Fact is no country is really prepared for drone warfare. And anti-drone tech, doctrines, particularly at the tactical level of small units - are all very much in their infancy.
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Half truth in the US media regarding this scam? There isn't any truth from the US media regarding this proxy war. Tell us, do you go on surviving family of victim of serial killer pages and post vids made by Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer?
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ALAMO wrote:As I said, put that into perspective.
If a Kornet missile cost is $5k. No way Lancet will cost more than that, actually much much less.
And there is nothing in Geran to cost $30k, seriously.
Those calculations are made to cheer themselves of how much the Russkie have spent. Numbers are getting ridiculous, they have tenfold the Calibr price for example
Like that would make any impression on them, considering the economic situation
Edit : have you tried at Roszakaz? Asking seriously, tons of bizarre data can be found there, and that is the best source one may find.
Geran-2 has the cost of a motorcycle, not more if you have a big serial production.
If Russia have the production chain in Russia, then the cost is lower with the internal prices level
yes , prehaps to produce something like that in USA have a price of 30.000 or 100.000 dollars, but this is the corruption of industrial-military complex in USA
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
flamming_python Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:39 am
Hole wrote:
No blood or faces so I decided to post these pics. De-nazification and de-militarization continues.
It doesn't matter, it's still graphic. Best post a link. If it's a video of course then just a warning will do.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
GunshipDemocracy Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:52 am
AMCXXL wrote:
Geran-2 has the cost of a motorcycle, not more if you have a big serial production.
If Russia have the production chain in Russia, then the cost is lower with the internal prices level
yes , prehaps to produce something like that in USA have a price of 30.000 or 100.000 dollars, but this is the corruption of industrial-military complex in USA
news from July 2021 yet I dont think price ratio changed much. So they say Geran is $30,000 ? then its price is 8-14 times smaller...
Pentagon drones ‘8 to 14 times’ costlier than banned Chinese craft
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https://www.ft.com/content/dd2e936e-5934-49f1-8aa6-29dea9a41b18
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Cpt. "Struna" has been awarded Hero of Russia by Putin.
https://t.me/intelslava/39793
https://t.me/intelslava/39793
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GunshipDemocracy wrote:AMCXXL wrote:
Geran-2 has the cost of a motorcycle, not more if you have a big serial production.
If Russia have the production chain in Russia, then the cost is lower with the internal prices level
yes , prehaps to produce something like that in USA have a price of 30.000 or 100.000 dollars, but this is the corruption of industrial-military complex in USA
news from July 2021 yet I dont think price ratio changed much. So they say Geran is $30,000 ? then its price is 8-14 times smaller...
Yup, that is what I was addressing to.
They are producing this crap info only to explain the ridiculous price tags of their own toys.
And cover the enormous bribery scam that powers the entire western MIC.
And at the end of the day, it turns out that Russkie produce in a cycle more nuclear submarines than US and UK has combined.
They need to make some juicy bullshit for the audience, to make them keep believing the supremacy.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
ludovicense Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:05 pm
Erk wrote:zorobabel wrote:US lawmakers are discussing a $50 billion aid package for Ukraine. The warmongers have found their next forever war.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1583174510219755520
Ukraine doesn't get the money, it goes straight to the US MIC and other people with their snouts in the trough.
Most of the money the MIC gets, is laundered as R&D costs, with a small amount actually going into weapons production.
That's how they managed to blow a trillion on the F-35 project.
It's all about milking the US tax payer, who doesn't really care, because the US just conjures more USD debt instruments to cover it, and sells them to suckers like China and Japan, or pension funds.
Little of this actually reaches Ukraine's armed forces. They are looting the American treasury vaults.
A real party that many will enrich.
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Honestly the current situation is goddamn retarded.
People that should know better are recommending buying dollar, while the dollar is going through inflation.
Currently the mexican pesso is doing better than the dollar maybe thats why moving manufucturing to mexico isn't a good idea anymore.
People that should know better are recommending buying dollar, while the dollar is going through inflation.
Currently the mexican pesso is doing better than the dollar maybe thats why moving manufucturing to mexico isn't a good idea anymore.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
Arkanghelsk Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:28 pm
This is what the flooding would look like if the dam is destroyed-
Kherson would be indefensible, and taking Nikolayev and Odessa become impossible with that much flooding
So, if Putin and Co. Are meeting at the security council every morning, I assume they discuss what to do in this event
It probably is the reason for massing troops north and west of Kiev,
As any maneuver in the south would be impossible
Well hopefully they get most of the civilians out, because whoever if left on the right bank will get massacred by the Ukros
As for the dam, they need to get air defense on the dam ASAP, throw TORM2, Pantsir-Sm, buk m3, and s300V4
I think Kirvoy Rog direction also is more important than any other direction to create a buffer between the dam and the Ukros
Say a bridgehead like so:
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
billybatts91 Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:48 pm
Belarus will not be involved in the Ukraine war...
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30
caveat emptor Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:57 pm
Sad thing is that this "article" was written by Viktor Baranets, who is retired colonel of RF and not some anonymous journalist. Whole article reads as a joke.ALAMO wrote:
I wouldn't put much attention to this number.
First, Komsomolskaya is a tabloid, not better than The Sun or Der Bild.
A photo in the article does not present Geran-2 to begin with
Second, as you can see, they are extrapolating adding the things to the price of a good quality moped
"the things" are a system elements that are multiple use, some of those are non existing (weapon, as the drone is a weapon), hell, most of the moped systems are not even there!
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famschopman wrote:The challenge moving forward, like someone else here already mentioned, is to explore air defense systems and platforms that are equipped to detect small drones.
In the case of the Shahed 136 / Geran-2 they have been using a plastic / honeycomb based composite body maybe with radar absorbing or signal scattering internal structures or matte paints? That might explain why they are so hard to lock on to by existing air defense. It's not like these are really small objects like a DJI drone.
The challenge for US/Nato to adopt these systems is internal spending and procurement. Even though a drone might have a base cost of 30k they will find a way to make it 1Mio a piece and the major take away is the ability to have a low cost and high-volume item.
The engine and prop, which would be highly reflective are all protected by the vertical stabs and placement. The small frontal signature also helps this. In the future if they cant the vertical stabs inward or outward it will be more stealthy from the sides as well. The beauty of these drones is, even if you shoot down 80% (as the Ukes claim) you have still not solved the problem.
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If they knew the flooding would be that bad, they should have had some better plans to protect it with a buffer and AD. They should still be making it the biggest priority right now.
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Who says they aren't?Backman wrote:If they knew the flooding would be that bad, they should have had some better plans to protect it with a buffer and AD. They should still be making it the biggest priority right now.
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Backman wrote:If they knew the flooding would be that bad, they should have had some better plans to protect it with a buffer and AD. They should still be making it the biggest priority right now.
The Ukrainians will be well aware that Kiev sits in front of a dam as well. Two can play that game. Maybe the Russians should plop a warning into its reservoir.
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