Russian special military operation in Ukraine #30

0nillie0 wrote:If you do feel the need to respond to limb, please edit the quote so those of us who do not want to read his posts don't  get eye cancer from the content. Feel free to be creative with it.

Sujoy wrote:U.K now has their first completely illegitimate Prime Minister of Pakistani origin.

IOW, the same country that defines Putin as a despot and his military intervention in Ukraine illegal.

0nillie0 wrote:If you do feel the need to respond to limb, please edit the quote so those of us who do not want to read his posts don't  get eye cancer from the content. Feel free to be creative with it.

ucmvulcan wrote:

andalusia wrote:Just saw this documentary on American PBS Frontline about the alleged Putin war crimes in the Ukraine War.  This propanganda shouldn't be a surprise.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/putins-attack-on-ukraine-documenting-war-crimes/

Frontline on PBS, which is wholly funded and operated by the United States government.

Rodion_Romanovic wrote: Isn't he of Indian (Punjabi) descent (and also a Hindu)?

But yeah now England (I do not believe it will remain as Great Britain for long) has both the prime minister and the major of its capital from South Asian descent.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:What in your opinion would be the best way to use the mobilized 300k troops? An assault on Kiev or something else?

Belisarius wrote:

msta S with 6 rpm.

Not protoss shields. Just far superior  range than vast majority of russian artillery,together with actual digital FCS systems instead of shitty scopes, analogue computers and notebooks the russians use for 90% of their guns,

Another bunch of lies...

In 2007, the Russians began to receive the 2S19M1 with improved fire control system and added GLONASS antenna.
In 2013 there was already the 2S19M2 equipped with a new automatic fire control system that increases the rate of fire. Digital electronic maps are now available that significantly speed up terrain orientation in difficult geographic conditions and allow for faster and more efficient shooting missions. In addition to the ability to shoot 10 projectiles per minute and a range of 80 km.
https://armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2020/0603/095058134/detail.shtml

I was just going to say.
The next person who quotes limb is going onto my ignore list.
It's blatantly obvious what limbs role here on the forum is.

If you do feel the need to respond to limb, please edit the quote so those of us who do not want to read his posts don't get eye cancer from the content. Feel free to be creative with it.

limb wrote:

caveat emptor wrote:Su-35 dropping dumb bombs while flying very low. Endangering sophisticated plane for this, is not the best use imo.
https://t.me/milinfolive/92470

This is horrifyingly dumb. This is what I mean by potbelly dinosaur behavior, sending a superexpensive multirole fighter as dumb bomb low altitude bomber like its 1968.

They couldve at least used a Su-25 or Su-24. If the potbelly dinosaurs want to waste planes like that, they should use the Su-17 or MiG-27. I guess GarryB was wrong that supersonic fighters were considered by the russian air force to be inferior for dropping dumb bombs from low altitude, given that someone ordered this Su-35 pilot to do just that.

Where is the vaunted SVP-24 to drop iron bombs from range here? They could've at least dropped bombs outside of MANPAD altitude. Gliding bombs aren't even needed much, they couldve just used Kh-25s too.


If the russians are so afraid to even send Su-35s at high altitude bombing missions, this proves that the Ukrainian AD net is almost entirely intact. If ukrainian SAMs are mostly destroyed by now, why would the potbelly dinosaurs be sending aircraft in the range of MANPADs which ukrainians have in limitless quantities?

Potbelly dinosaurs: Targeting pods? Who needs those, we went to berlin without targeting pods.
Gliding bombs? Who needs those, in Zapad 1981 we used FAB-250s, and that was enough.

limb wrote:Yes for Msta, but not for 2S3s and 2S1s which is the majority of the russian artillery in the SMO

https://t.me/historywarweaponmain/64820
In this video, akatsiya operators have to constantly adjust a shitty 1960s scope.

crod wrote:CyberSpec Tel is reporting that the footage of a downed SU-35, claimed to be shot down with IRIS-T in Kherson is from a downing back in May.
Hope true and not the bird that filmed flying uber low yesterday.

There are also digitization upgrades for 2S3. 2S3M2 and 2S3M3.

As for supposed advantages of GPS guided rounds those are only effective until the time Russia decides to jam GPS.
In case of full blown peer vs peer conflict you would not have GPS. The satellites would be shot down.
Russia has jammed GPS in Syria and I think they should have done the same around Kherson.

Azi wrote:

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:What in your opinion would be the best way to use the mobilized 300k troops? An assault on Kiev or something else?

They have over 300k mobilized and additional over 70k volunteers only during the mobilization wave. Add this to the existing forces near frontline and add the help of conscripts (they will not take part in offensive operations) to it.

We speak here about an invasion force of over 500k soldiers ready to go in Ukraine! There are rumors that far more soldiers than the 500k are available because more than 300k have been mobilized.

I think Kiew is not on the plan, next steps will be Nikolaev, Odessa and Kharkiv...of course after the liberation of the new regions.

nomadski wrote:" I am going out on a " limb" here , when I say that Conservative party having chosen " Englishness " ( Brexit ) over Irishness or Scotishness or Europeanishness ( including Russianess ) , opted to join the "  English "  Ex- Empire dominions of Anglophile and Anglophone countries and dreamt of resurrecting the common wealth and British Raj ! As the dominion of the English shrinks and they are left with only London and the stock exchange and the Eel- eating Cockney population , to call their own , their imaginations grow larger and larger !

Sujoy wrote:U.K now has their first completely illegitimate Prime Minister of Pakistani origin.

IOW, the same country that defines Putin as a despot and his military intervention in Ukraine illegal.

Erk wrote:Exactly what the UK needs......not.