Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31

ALAMO wrote:Kaboom morning all over 404. No coffee at a day start?

ALAMO wrote:Kaboom morning all over 404. No coffee at a day start?

Podlodka77 wrote:

ALAMO wrote:Kaboom morning all over 404. No coffee at a day start?

Kiev shithole.....19th century..
my fault, just no electricity..

flamming_python wrote:What is the point in gloating over all this?

You do realize that w/o power to water treatment plants, electric stoves & heaters, refrigerators/freezers, and a whole other bunch of things we take for granted - life gets very, very difficult right? Not to mention that most livelihoods/jobs become no longer possible.
As in - enough to provoke a mass humanitarian crisis
And I'm assuming there is enough emergency power for hospitals, fire stations, police and gas stations at least.

And it has to be debated what the objective is here.
Are these strikes punitive? Is Russia trying to provoke evacuations of cities and emigration from the urban centres? Or are the main objectives military ones - trains/communications/Ukr. info warfare/etc..?

flamming_python wrote:What is the point in gloating over all this?

You do realize that w/o power to water treatment plants, electric stoves & heaters, refrigerators/freezers, and a whole other bunch of things we take for granted - life gets very, very difficult right? Not to mention that most livelihoods/jobs become no longer possible.
As in - enough to provoke a mass humanitarian crisis
And I'm assuming there is enough emergency power for hospitals, fire stations, police and gas stations at least.

And it has to be debated what the objective is here.
Are these strikes punitive? Is Russia trying to provoke evacuations of cities and emigration from the urban centres? Or are the main objectives military ones - trains/communications/Ukr. info warfare/etc..?

GarryB wrote:

I agree that nazis are evil, but banning them wont eliminate them, it will just drive them underground and in some cases create sympathy for them.

Let them talk and let them expose their ignorance... it is nazis in the Ukraine who ban languages and people for wanting to speak this or that language and any political party that does not agree with them.

Anyone who looks at this forum can immediately so what is what because there is no need to lie.

Good thing or bad thing... this is not a democracy.

Its attitudes like that that kill forums off permanently.

You have an opinion and you are entitled to that opinion, but that does not make what you say is true.

If some precious fellow can't take an alternative view and will only go to a forum where he hears his own opinion parroted back to him every day then what sort of person is that?

If your views can't be challenged without you getting upset then it sounds like your views are built on chocolate pudding...

Nazis did kill many millions of Soviets, and I don't have much time for them, but banning them doesn't make them disappear... they are there and if you never listen to them you can never point out when they are wrong which is bad for you because it reminds you why they are so wrong and nazism is so evil, but it also means they don't hear anyone countering their views which reinforces them thinking they are right.

The purpose of this forum is to educate westerners and it seems an important lesson is that banning and sanctions don't work in the long run.

The rules of the forum are about keeping discussion civil and well behaved... not about who is right and who is wrong.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Do t have Twitter u have a photo?

flamming_python wrote:What is the point in gloating over all this?

You do realize that w/o power to water treatment plants, electric stoves & heaters, refrigerators/freezers, and a whole other bunch of things we take for granted - life gets very, very difficult right? Not to mention that most livelihoods/jobs become no longer possible.
As in - enough to provoke a mass humanitarian crisis
And I'm assuming there is enough emergency power for hospitals, fire stations, police and gas stations at least.

And it has to be debated what the objective is here.
Are these strikes punitive? Is Russia trying to provoke evacuations of cities and emigration from the urban centres? Or are the main objectives military ones - trains/communications/Ukr. info warfare/etc..?

Podlodka77 wrote:

flamming_python wrote:What is the point in gloating over all this?

You do realize that w/o power to water treatment plants, electric stoves & heaters, refrigerators/freezers, and a whole other bunch of things we take for granted - life gets very, very difficult right? Not to mention that most livelihoods/jobs become no longer possible.
As in - enough to provoke a mass humanitarian crisis
And I'm assuming there is enough emergency power for hospitals, fire stations, police and gas stations at least.

And it has to be debated what the objective is here.
Are these strikes punitive? Is Russia trying to provoke evacuations of cities and emigration from the urban centres? Or are the main objectives military ones - trains/communications/Ukr. info warfare/etc..?

I DONT GIVE A ****, BRO !!!  
FP, I no longer comment on special military operations - not on the issue of criticizing someone's messages. I know who the cunts are here on this forum and they know I don't appreciate them and I never will.
I just post news here and that's it.
It's good that in the pictures the buildings are in their places in the Kiev shithole, Belgrade was not lucky there either. I'm just writing to remind you of the dozens of people who were burned alive in Odessa.
If you still have compassion for that "state", I don't at all because it is obvious that there are many who see you as an enemy - not a brother.
Serbs never liked Ukroshitstans (those who declare themselves as such), although we did not hate them, because we saw in them everything that we see in our neighbors - the Croats.
If I were to ask myself, only the Kiev Pechersk Lavra would remain in Kiev - NOTHING MORE..

lancelot wrote:

mr_hd wrote:You are not somehow aware that it is over with Russian status as energy supplier to EU. It will cost EU 200 billions to overcome energy crunch and few years but main outcome is already visible basically. Gas storages are record full, prices are falling, huge LNG infrastructure projects are launched and most importantly - gas is now treated as any other fossil fuel and its consumption is to be further suppressed systematically.

Nice try. Even if you put together all the LNG in Qatar, the US, and Australia it would not replace the natural gas the EU imports from Russia. And those LNG supplier countries have long term contracts with Asian countries, like Japan, South Korea, and China to fullfill.

As for your "estimate" of cost, Germany alone is going to spend 200 billion EUR this year. And who knows about next year. I would not be surprised if this energy "transition" in fact cost the EU over a trillion EUR or more. And you do not have to listen to me about the energy transition time, the Qatari gas minister told that the supply situation to the EU won't improve in less than 5 years and that they better sort out their relationship with Russia if they want supply in the meantime.

mr_hd wrote:

All those doomsday predictions proved to be false till now and are way over pessimistic. German storages are now 99% full - the most in history for this period. And in the EU ports are waiting 30+ large tankers that have to wait in queue to unload, that is huge stockpile, enough for months to come.

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mr_hd wrote:All those doomsday predictions proved to be false till now and are way over pessimistic. German storages are now 99% full - the most in history for this period. And in the EU ports are waiting 30+ large tankers that have to wait in queue to unload, that is huge stockpile, enough for months to come.

The future of gas has dramatically changed, it is not and will not anymore for example be offered for new buildings and houses in Germany as default. Heat pumps are new standard and long-term goal. Long term usage of gas is to be cut in industry and households as well in power plants for electricity production.

EU despite energy crisis is still reducing its CO2 emissions this year. Actually, energy crisis is speeding up cutting reliance on fossils much faster than pure green goals, it is all about energy independence right now.