Russian special military operation in Ukraine #31

Lots of fraternal greeting cards heading north since well before dawn and ongoing.

Kaboom morning all over 404. No coffee at a day start?

ALAMO wrote:Kaboom morning all over 404. No coffee at a day start?

Had my coffee before the sun came. At my age one don't sleep like one used to, dammit.

ALAMO wrote:Kaboom morning all over 404. No coffee at a day start?

Kiev shithole.....19th century..
my fault, just no electricity..

flamming_python wrote:What is the point in gloating over all this?
You do realize that w/o power to water treatment plants, electric stoves & heaters, refrigerators/freezers, and a whole other bunch of things we take for granted - life gets very, very difficult right? Not to mention that most livelihoods/jobs become no longer possible.
As in - enough to provoke a mass humanitarian crisis
And I'm assuming there is enough emergency power for hospitals, fire stations, police and gas stations at least.
And it has to be debated what the objective is here.
Are these strikes punitive? Is Russia trying to provoke evacuations of cities and emigration from the urban centres? Or are the main objectives military ones - trains/communications/Ukr. info warfare/etc..?

Oh yes, it is my friend, of course, it is!
And that was the goal.
Don't take me wrong, but from the very beginning, a statistical Ukr has no bloody feeling of the war ongoing.
It was just like with Donbass - joining the army and taking part in "ATO" was a good source of cash.
They were WORKING there, you know?
A job. Just take a D-30 and shoot a few rounds, and stamp your daily card.
For 8 years.
Then the 220222 happened, and again - what happened in real? Hm.
They were chanting "moskali an nozhi" louder in Kiev, while having party. Or could bully internally displaced compatriots for not knowing mova while trying to buy some food in a general store.
Now the war - a real war - finally came. Black bags are flowing, there is no water, no electricity, no heating.
All of that being a legitimate military grade targets, Russkie didn't touch anything that is pure civilian. They are bombing shit out of the postal warehouses, because Ukrs are using postal system to resupply the units. So sorry, no Xmas card this year!
Sure the population will flee from the urban centers, making them a/ useless and b/ much easier to conquer if needed.
The population will flee the country at an even higher rate, hell, they are being persuaded to do so by their own government!
On the other side, the capacity to take refugees is close to 100% booked in all of Europe, and I will tell you a secret. In the case of let's say Poland, the bulk of refugees was accepted at the homes of ordinary people. Free of charge, with no govt support.
It was the population that accepted those poor bastards here and you know why?
Because we already faced a mass wave of Ukrainian refugees back in 2014+, and those people proved to be hard working ones, wanting to make their peaceful living here.
And here came the surprise! The new wave was kind of different. I know tons of people who took the refugees to their homes, feeded them and supported for months, and not a single one of them would repeat this experiment!
It was a mob ensured about their superiority, and that everyone owners them everything. An exact thing the Russkie propaganda is saying, but we talk a real experience of a real people and real situation!
My own sister took a family, mother + 2, only to hear after 2 (!) months that asking her to fill and empty a dishwasher full of dishes they have been using is oppressive as she is a war victim
The difference for those two waves of refugees was a fact, that the first one was mostly a Russian-speaking population being ethnically cleansed in the Ukropistan. Such a small thing makes such a huge difference ...

flamming_python wrote:What is the point in gloating over all this?

You do realize that w/o power to water treatment plants, electric stoves & heaters, refrigerators/freezers, and a whole other bunch of things we take for granted - life gets very, very difficult right? Not to mention that most livelihoods/jobs become no longer possible.
As in - enough to provoke a mass humanitarian crisis
And I'm assuming there is enough emergency power for hospitals, fire stations, police and gas stations at least.

And it has to be debated what the objective is here.
Are these strikes punitive? Is Russia trying to provoke evacuations of cities and emigration from the urban centres? Or are the main objectives military ones - trains/communications/Ukr. info warfare/etc..?

Aren't these the same orcs who destroyed the electric distribution system to the entire island of Krimu? Isn't this the same orcs who damned the water canal to Krimea? Sorry, it's a little difficult to feel 'sorry' for them. Screw the bastids....

flamming_python wrote:What is the point in gloating over all this?

You do realize that w/o power to water treatment plants, electric stoves & heaters, refrigerators/freezers, and a whole other bunch of things we take for granted - life gets very, very difficult right? Not to mention that most livelihoods/jobs become no longer possible.
As in - enough to provoke a mass humanitarian crisis
And I'm assuming there is enough emergency power for hospitals, fire stations, police and gas stations at least.

And it has to be debated what the objective is here.
Are these strikes punitive? Is Russia trying to provoke evacuations of cities and emigration from the urban centres? Or are the main objectives military ones - trains/communications/Ukr. info warfare/etc..?

I DONT GIVE A ****, BRO !!!  
FP, I no longer comment on special military operations - not on the issue of criticizing someone's messages. I know who the cunts are here on this forum and they know I don't appreciate them and I never will.
I just post news here and that's it.
It's good that in the pictures the buildings are in their places in the Kiev shithole, Belgrade was not lucky there either. I'm just writing to remind you of the dozens of people who were burned alive in Odessa.
If you still have compassion for that "state", I don't at all because it is obvious that there are many who see you as an enemy - not a brother.
Serbs never liked Ukroshitstans (those who declare themselves as such), although we did not hate them, because we saw in them everything that we see in our neighbors - the Croats.
If I were to ask myself, only the Kiev Pechersk Lavra would remain in Kiev - NOTHING MORE..

GarryB wrote:

I agree that nazis are evil, but banning them wont eliminate them, it will just drive them underground and in some cases create sympathy for them.

Let them talk and let them expose their ignorance... it is nazis in the Ukraine who ban languages and people for wanting to speak this or that language and any political party that does not agree with them.

Anyone who looks at this forum can immediately so what is what because there is no need to lie.

Good thing or bad thing... this is not a democracy.

Its attitudes like that that kill forums off permanently.

You have an opinion and you are entitled to that opinion, but that does not make what you say is true.

If some precious fellow can't take an alternative view and will only go to a forum where he hears his own opinion parroted back to him every day then what sort of person is that?

If your views can't be challenged without you getting upset then it sounds like your views are built on chocolate pudding...

Nazis did kill many millions of Soviets, and I don't have much time for them, but banning them doesn't make them disappear... they are there and if you never listen to them you can never point out when they are wrong which is bad for you because it reminds you why they are so wrong and nazism is so evil, but it also means they don't hear anyone countering their views which reinforces them thinking they are right.

The purpose of this forum is to educate westerners and it seems an important lesson is that banning and sanctions don't work in the long run.

The rules of the forum are about keeping discussion civil and well behaved... not about who is right and who is wrong.

I think you could have done much better than that.
You might know a bit about weapons, but I think you understand very little about Russia.

Some cocksucker glorifies the genocide of 27 MILLION Russians. I condemn those statements. And you start acting like some sort of "Ru Paul" character using words like "precious" towards me?

If anyone is acting "precious" surely it would be the one who can't face disciplining and banning garbage that are hell bent on destroying the forum and its credibility.

You even decided yourself to ban the idiot causing the vast majority of the problem. And U turned for some inexplicable reason.

Are you honestly telling me that  a long quote thread is worse than comments like "Hitler was right" and a complete defence of Nazism... in a thread on the Ukraine operation?

Other morons have been banned for constantly trying to destroy the forum. Why not this one? Suppose someone constantly posted comments like "Garry B is a nonce" and did photoshop pics to the effect? Or "lets all get together and kill Putin supporters"? Would you say "ahhhh well its free speech isn't it". Its exactly the same thing here when some cretin is constantly promoting Nazism AND genocide in threads it isn't even relevant to.

My views aren't based on "chocolate pudding" garry. They are based on pragmatic common sense, basic morals and respect for the Russian World. You obviously have no Russian blood. Does that mean Russian people (or even partly Russian) should tolerate constant taunts, trolling and abuse from a minority of vermin like this? Even attempts to drum up the support for genocide of Russians again? Do you realise what those Nazi vermin actually said about Russians and indeed all Slavs? ("We must use them and then they must all die and their land will become our Lebensraum"). Is this the sort of shit we should have on russiadefence.net in a Ukraine military thread.

Do you want a RUssian forum of all places to be flagged up all across the internet as a rallying ground for actual (obviously antiRussian) Nazism?

You say that the forum rules are to keep it "civil and well behaved".
Well you've answered it yourself. And thats why you originally banned this moron.

In recent times there have been more and more requests to ban certain individuals.
I'm by no means the only one.
Or do you want everyone who talks sense to go elsewhere?

The garbage really needs to go Garry. You were right first time.

d_taddei2 wrote:

Do t have Twitter u have a photo?

Try this

https://twitter.com/TrackANaziMerc/status/1587916410633834500

flamming_python wrote:What is the point in gloating over all this?

You do realize that w/o power to water treatment plants, electric stoves & heaters, refrigerators/freezers, and a whole other bunch of things we take for granted - life gets very, very difficult right? Not to mention that most livelihoods/jobs become no longer possible.
As in - enough to provoke a mass humanitarian crisis
And I'm assuming there is enough emergency power for hospitals, fire stations, police and gas stations at least.

And it has to be debated what the objective is here.
Are these strikes punitive? Is Russia trying to provoke evacuations of cities and emigration from the urban centres? Or are the main objectives military ones - trains/communications/Ukr. info warfare/etc..?

I agree but Russia choosed not to attack electrical grid for months.

After the dumb attack on the bridge and the killing of a woman in Moscow, they had to do something.

It's all Zelensky's fault. He keeps listening to dumb UK advices. Everyone knew russia's answer to the attack of the bridge would be devastating for Ukraine. They made it clear.

@Rybar about Iranian Kamikaze Drones

We recently wrote, see "HERE", about the planned shipment of ballistic missiles to Russia. Now the Western media reports that the Russian Arash-2 and Meraj-521 bomber munitions may also be received by the Russian Armed Forces.

According to media reports, Russia is interested in two more types of UAVs: "Arash-2" and "Meraj-521".

"Arash-2"

This type is a relatively new Iranian development. Compared to the Shahed-136, they have a more powerful warhead and a claimed range of up to 1,700 km.

The drone is a long-range precision-guided weapon that can be launched from both land and sea platforms.

Newer models have infrared or optical homing heads. This allows the drone to stay in a given area to find and destroy the target.

At the exercises of the IRGC and the Iranian Army, the Arash has been used effectively as an anti-radar munition, which will be relevant for suppressing Ukrainian air defences.

"Meraj-521"

This is the latest example of a small-sized UAV designed to engage personnel and light equipment.

It was first tested by the IRGC's Ground Forces Quick Reaction Force during a recent exercise near the Azerbayjan border.

The drone is the counterpart to the US Switchblade 300. It is launched by mortar from a pneumatic catapult.

Low weight and dimensions allow carrying the drone in a rucksack. The flight range is 5 km, autonomy 15 minutes.

🩸 There has been no real confirmation of the Arash and Meraj being sent to Russia so far. However, it would look logical against the backdrop of an expanding range of Iranian arms supplies to the Russian Armed Forces.

Moreover, both sides are interested in such cooperation: the Russian army improves its combat capabilities, while the Islamic Republic gets an ideal test range to confirm the performance of its missiles and UAVs against Western-made weapons.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18319

lancelot wrote:

mr_hd wrote:You are not somehow aware that it is over with Russian status as energy supplier to EU. It will cost EU 200 billions to overcome energy crunch and few years but main outcome is already visible basically. Gas storages are record full, prices are falling, huge LNG infrastructure projects are launched and most importantly - gas is now treated as any other fossil fuel and its consumption is to be further suppressed systematically.

Nice try. Even if you put together all the LNG in Qatar, the US, and Australia it would not replace the natural gas the EU imports from Russia. And those LNG supplier countries have long term contracts with Asian countries, like Japan, South Korea, and China to fullfill.

As for your "estimate" of cost, Germany alone is going to spend 200 billion EUR this year. And who knows about next year. I would not be surprised if this energy "transition" in fact cost the EU over a trillion EUR or more. And you do not have to listen to me about the energy transition time, the Qatari gas minister told that the supply situation to the EU won't improve in less than 5 years and that they better sort out their relationship with Russia if they want supply in the meantime.

All those doomsday predictions proved to be false till now and are way over pessimistic. German storages are now 99% full - the most in history for this period. And in the EU ports are waiting 30+ large tankers that have to wait in queue to unload, that is huge stockpile, enough for months to come.

The future of gas has dramatically changed, it is not and will not anymore for example be offered for new buildings and houses in Germany as default. Heat pumps are new standard and long-term goal. Long term usage of gas is to be cut in industry and households as well in power plants for electricity production.

EU despite energy crisis is still reducing its CO2 emissions this year. Actually, energy crisis is speeding up cutting reliance on fossils much faster than pure green goals, it is all about energy independence right now.

A long but pretty comprehensive analysis/

https://thesaker.is/nato-escalates-again-and-achieves-nothing-again/

mr_hd wrote:

All those doomsday predictions proved to be false till now and are way over pessimistic. German storages are now 99% full - the most in history for this period. And in the EU ports are waiting 30+ large tankers that have to wait in queue to unload, that is huge stockpile, enough for months to come.

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No they haven't, winter has not even started.
Get your facts straight.

How many BCM in German storage? (answer 23BCM)
How many BCM do Germany use in a typical winter? (hint German gas consumption was 96BCM in 2021, of which most was consumed in winter)

The EU consumes around 100BCM in a typical winter, and the German storage is by far the largest.

Not Halloween, reality

Medical plans are modified do to high numbers of casualties

Com mast around Dnjepropetrovsk