Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

The Eagle on the polish / Ukrs flag is deformed ! It only has one head , instead of the proper two , as in Russian flag . Also this deformed Eagle is looking West , instead of East , towards it's Slavic neighbours . Identity politics is a character shared by all , depending on the stress levels . Russia did the minimum required to raise the nuclear stakes . There was talk on the MSM , about " ...are the Russians trying to frighten us , with this talk ? And the dirty bomb ." It is clear now that the Ukrs population will not rise up against the Nazis ruling them , this plan failed . Neither do they feel particularly Russian and instead they are fighting the Russians . So why should they get special treatment ? Therefore this operation , should be called a war . Any advantage for the Ukrs Army , should be taken away : Electricity , water , food . And the starving civilians can go West . They have their eyes on the West , like the deformed Polish Eagle . 30,000 extra troops will be very handy , I would keep them as a mobile , rapid reaction force to plug the gaps ! It takes too long to dig a trench , when mobile infantry arrives . Why not use artillery or cheap Iron bombs to dig trenches quickly , before they arrive ?

flamming_python wrote:

For now, Ukraine's focus will be to destroy the Kerch Strait Bridge (somehow) and push south to Berdyansk. Their ability to do so depends on what weapons they get from the US and Russia's use of newly mobilized soldiers. They don't care about the Donbas for the time being, and possibly never.

Both goals are rather futile and US-supplied weapons will not change the picture. The later of which I don't doubt will be diversified, including to the ATACMS that they keep publicly denying they're supplying despite no-one having asked for their comment on that issue. Said public denials are instead of course warnings to the Russian side, about what in fact they're prepared to supply to the Ukrainians if X, Y or Z.

Berdyansk is part of the Russian land-bridge to the Crimea and a vital route, while the Kerch straight bridge is also a supply route to the Crimea. Both are also very defensible.
The Ukrainians will simply waste their resources in trying, so let them try

I guess Russia wasn't bluffing with Crimean bridge retaliation after all

Iran Claims To Have Developed A Hypersonic Missile

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202211107989

Iran has built a hypersonic ballistic missile, the Revolutionary Guard’s aerospace commander claimed Thursday, in remarks likely to heighten concerns about Iran’s missile program.

"This missile has a high speed and can maneuver in and out of the atmosphere. It will target the enemy's advanced anti-missile systems and is a big generational leap in the field of missiles," commander Amir-Ali Hajizadeh was quoted as saying.

Hypersonic missiles can fly at least five times faster than the speed of sound and on a complex trajectory, which makes them difficult to intercept. So far, only Russia, Iran's close military ally, has developed such weapons.

similar stuff on reuters/cbs

So Ukrainians just strolled into Kherson like victorious liberators (which they are now I guess), got welcomed by extatic locals, all were just chilling and celebrating out in the open aaaaand... nothing happened

Not a single bomb, shell, drone, missile, nothing



Was this also part of some brilliant plan? Looks like Russia is more concerned with not killing Ukrainians than winning the war

Why did they even start the damn thing if they aren't taking it seriously?



(Tankies and fanboys that have been infesting TV airwaves over here are looking mighty stupid right about now and no amount of their desperate BS will be changing the scoreboard, NATO fanboys OTOH are doing victory laps)

PapaDragon wrote:
So Ukrainians just strolled into Kherson like victorious liberators (which they are now I guess), got welcomed by extatic locals, all were just chilling and celebrating out in the open aaaaand... nothing happened

Not a single bomb, shell, drone, missile, nothing



Was this also part of some brilliant plan? Looks like Russia is more concerned with not killing Ukrainians than winning the war

Why did they even start the damn thing if they aren't taking it seriously?



(Tankies and fanboys that have been infesting TV airwaves over here are looking mighty stupid right about now and no amount of their desperate BS will be changing the scoreboard, NATO fanboys OTOH are doing victory laps)

To put one of Mass Effect's Shepards renegade remarks slightly out of context:


How many dead Ukrainian troops in various states of damage and decomposition do you want me to post here exactly?.....
If it pleases you, i can give you some footage of DPR dishing out some battlefield justice to Nazi units too if you'd like.

Send me an PM if you want the TG channels i get these kind of materials from.
leave the Doomer-Train man.
It does not suit you

Join our Z-Train for an complimentary shot of Vodka

The withdrawal already hurts. It is still the only option. Russia is located in an III. WK. Against NATO. There is only the proxy Ukraine in between but Defacto is already a full war against NATO. The enemy troops are NATO, the weapons are NATO, the Secret Daten is NATO, everything is NATO enemy.

Russia cannot open and empty the East or the central district either. China is not a friend. China will use every situation to get raw materials and land. But it is not a partner either. That is why Russia cannot leave 100,000 men there in this Cherson area, which has now been cleared.

Both 1943 and in Hearts of Iron, this position is not well suited to start an offensive from there. Imagine 100,000 men plus 100,000 civilians would have to be supplied over a few bridges. The Wehrmacht had 80% of all transport capacities in 1942 at Stalingrad, full airspace rescue and it was not even enough to supply the 6th army in the beginning.

From there from there from 50 or 100km further, and you have a logistics chain that is an Waterloo. Everything has to be gone over a few bridges that can be gone at any time. You need to fly all your helicopters to get a few tons and to fly out of injuries. Can you bend. Especially since NATO can still make surprises and the war is full of surprises.

What happens when Ukraine then breaks through from Saporoschi and threatens the Crimea in the north and cuts Cherson? 100,000 men in the trap and path. So that the Crimea threatens massively. China would understand that as an invitation. Russia would have a serious problem.

Nuclear weapons cost a lot, but a lot is completely useless. Russia has to come back to keep a war on running. The economy is doing reasonably well, the people, except for a few cowardly rats, stands behind Putin & Co.

Is Putin Feige? An idiot? Was it Stalin 1941 and 1942? No, cool and clever but without emotions, chess has to be played here. Use the room like to Napoleon or 1942. Do not stand, but let the enemy be spent, keep your troops and then later you hit. The country is large, but human life cannot be returned.

Russia will free these areas again. But first the war economy has to start, the troops have to be collected, the losses are driven down to a portable measure a day, week and month. And then always have NATO and China on the plan and its surprises.

Russia no longer needs export or import from the West. Like Iran, it learns to survive despite the heaviest sanctions. And it learns who is really a brotherland. Iran, Syria, North Korea. The rest is just alibi. But they don't do anything. See China. They are just as wrong as the USA: just not as bad. But see also their social point system. See also Corona Hoax. All one soup.

Loses Russia, the real free multipolar world loses. Then it gets really dark. Then the Bill Gates and Rockefeller come and kill everything in this world. This scum that wants to kill the whole world population in their delusion.

Yes, it hurts, this perfect withdrawal that started 10 days ago. But it's just a train in the game of the games. It was a trap of Ukraine and NATO anyway. They still cry that the trap did not open. Let's see how long NATO can play the game. Russia has a lot of space, a lot of ammunition and a lot of patience. See Syria.

Let's stay cool and wait for things that come ...

GunshipDemocracy wrote:I guess Russia wasn't bluffing with Crimean bridge retaliation after all

Iran Claims To Have Developed A Hypersonic Missile

Not that surprising. We know North Korea has one. And North Korea and Iran widely share technology.

diabetus wrote:

Don't believe at all that Himars has been jammed.

Another BS. This story about jammer Himars is months old and results are that Russian AD still have to shoot them down. Same as Ukrainian claims about jammed Krasnopol or Russian drones.

flamming_python wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So Ukrainians just strolled into Kherson like victorious liberators (which they are now I guess), got welcomed by extatic locals, all were just chilling and celebrating out in the open aaaaand... nothing happened

Not a single bomb, shell, drone, missile, nothing



Was this also part of some brilliant plan? Looks like Russia is more concerned with not killing Ukrainians than winning the war

Why did they even start the damn thing if they aren't taking it seriously?



(Tankies and fanboys that have been infesting TV airwaves over here are looking mighty stupid right about now and no amount of their desperate BS will be changing the scoreboard, NATO fanboys OTOH are doing victory laps)

Who cares. Let Surovikin and the Russian leadership do their jobs.

They are under no obligation to explain their decisions to anyone.

And jury's still out on whether Kherson is a trap or some sort of political no man's land deal. If the former, then wasting bombs on some recon elements would be dumb. Russia has been up to something quite extensively around that territory. If/when the Ukraine moves some proper forces in, we'll see what.

Indeed, as long as this doesn't happen on the Russian side:


We can always discuss and feel smarter. As if they cared.

Remember this is a war whose objective = kill enemy army, not hold land.

Once ukraine are dead u can take whatever land you want. Just look what nazi Germany did to France at start ww2. Defeated French army on battlefield and walked in to capture what they wanted.

Once russia killed the orcs, they take the land and then put on trial the right wing extremest regime. Slowly dismantle and absorb ukraine along the way.

As to why kherson isn't getting smashed with artillery and drones - might be ukraine hasn't sent in enough troops to bunch up and do maximal damage. Or that lady who hacked ukraine general staff network gave russia a better place to focus on.

We simply don't know, but if we are patient, time will reveal (hopefully).

A note to those who buy Western propaganda and think that the USA is the Roman Empire.  
What shocked me this morning was the news , which is already over 6 days old, that China already has the largest fleet of fifth-generation "heavy" fighters in the World
That's right, gentlemen, according to the most modest estimates, China probably already has 200 serial Chengdu J-20 aircraft.
And do you know what the planned number is? Over 700 !  
A nice old folk saying says "He who laughs last laughs best". I don't think it will be the West, or rather I'm convinced that it won't be.



https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/zhuhai-j20-more-estimate-fleet-size

How much money do the Chinese have, I honestly wonder; navy, aviation, etc, etc...
They also produced about 300 J-16s from 2014/5 until now...
And precisely because of all this, it is not clear to me that some here do not see the abyss in which the West is.

Podlodka77 anyone who is a bit interested in geopolitics knows that China is already the number one world superpower. It is worth comparing to aviation how fast they build new ships. Soon they will dominate the world's oceans, not the United States

Detailed thread on use of Lancet drone

Videos indicate, bigger warhead (10-30kg) is needed.

Main costs is of seeker, datalinks. So bigger warhead/airframe is cheap upgrade. Perhaps Future suicide drones might be bigger

Arrow wrote:Podlodka77 anyone who is a bit interested in geopolitics knows that China is already the number one world superpower. It is worth comparing to aviation how fast they build new ships. Soon they will dominate the world's oceans, not the United States

The US moved manufacturing overseas, to places like China, US industrial capacity is nothing like it use to be, even the MIC.

The US claims it is the world's largest economy, but that is a deliberate deception.
When the US make claims like that, they almost always mention GDP.
This means the US are talking about the "Financial economy" of debt, not the "Industrial economy" otherwise known as the "real economy" of goods and services.
China is easily the world's largest real economy.

I wouldn't be surprised if Russia was close to the US in terms of industrial output.

Every time you hear the media talking about GDP just ignore it, GDP is a political metric, criticized by all sorts of economists.
Seek out the data on goods and services produced if you want to know how a country is really doing.

Why is it mostly people who cqnt speak Russian and dont communicate with Russians who are celebrating everything the russian MoD does even when they shit the bed, while insulting and threatening everyone who disagrees and actually expresses the sentiment of actual Russians in Russia?

https://vk.com/video-206639135_456261464

nomadski wrote:
The Eagle on the polish / Ukrs flag is deformed ! It only has one head , instead of the proper two , as in Russian flag . Also this deformed Eagle is looking West , instead of East , towards it's Slavic neighbours . Identity politics is a character shared by all , depending on the stress levels . Russia did the minimum required to raise the nuclear stakes . 

Both the single headed and double headed eagles are Roman symbols (I believe the double headed was firstly used in the Eastern Roman empire). In Roman time I am not sure there was a difference if the single headed eagle was looking right or left.

For modern times the importance is that it is not a bald eagle :p

Arrow wrote:Podlodka77 anyone who is a bit interested in geopolitics knows that China is already the number one world superpower. It is worth comparing to aviation how fast they build new ships. Soon they will dominate the world's oceans, not the United States

I agree 101%..
The West often likes to transfer to Russia that Russia is "slowly" introducing new weapon systems, that is, those that were not designed during the USSR.There is some truth, but let's see how it is with them. If that Western "superiority" was valid, then Western tanks and planes would be in Ukroshitstan.
By comparison, the US does not have any new class surface warships, except for the Gerald Ford-class aircraft carriers and the rather unfortunate Zumwalt destroyers, and I won't even count those littoral combat ships - crap.
The Arleigh Burke is a project from the eighties. They are excellent ships, but they are no longer the marvel of technology that those ships were in the nineties. Ticonderogas are 70's project and those ships are dying and there is no replacement for them. Design documentation for all types of Western fighter aircraft (except for the F-35) dates back to the eighties of the last century at the latest.
As things stand, the PREDECESSOR replaced the SUCCESSOR in production, which happened in the case of the F-15EX aircraft in relation to the F-22. A bunch of lies and a bunch of nonsense about "superiority", which can only be digested by certain mules on the forum. It's all one big lie that must be exposed in the near future.

Data that is several years old says that China has over 400 J-11 aircraft, over 500 J-10 aircraft, as well as an unknown number of J-15 aircraft, of which there are probably at least 100. Include the already mentioned 200 J-20 and 300 J-16 and you will get over 1500 planes, that is more than the USA produced for its needs in the same period of time.
There is no need to write about the ground army, because the US is a "hunting society" compared to China. China has overtaken the US in everything.
The US still has only one advantage, submarines, but for how long..

This jetstream picture is from a ZeroHedge article on the cold spell hitting the US. Whilst difficult to see clearly I thought it relevant here as it also shows the warm spell seemingly hitting Europe and Ukraine.

That is a static image... how does it move and how fast does it move?

Also what is the definition of warm and what is the definition of cold in the middle of winter... in Russia a warm winter might mean the temperature hovers around minus 20 degrees C instead of minus 30...

Polar vortex suggests to me movement.

In the long-run, if this war keeps up, the Ukraine will be absorbed into Russia region by region as it's grinded down economically and militarily

They should be salvaging a peace while that's still an option, instead of challenging Russia on its own territory

The Genius does right away what the average person does eventually when there is no other option... the idiot keeps trying the same failing solution hoping this time it will work.

The Crimea was promised protection from Ukrainian ultranationalists and the coup regime in Kiev and that's what they got.

They took the situation into their own hands and kicked out kiev and invited in Russia... I think any American or European thinking they could just send a boat with soldiers to land somewhere on Crimea where they will be welcomed as liberators is just fantasy... but I would love to see them try.

Imagine landing 1,000 crack US Marine troops near an orphanage for girls... shouting in broken Russian they are here to liberate you from evil Putin, and a cute little blonde cherub tells them to piss off... confusion... maybe its a translation error, and then they start throwing rotten fruit at them and force them back to their ships...

Make a great movie... but not a great Hollywood movie... some black Russian satire perhaps...

The people of the Crimea did not join Russia ultimately because they wanted a bright future and great tourism - although they did; but more than anything because they are Russians themselves and were tired of the radicals in Kiev threatening them, Ukrainianizing them and making them feel as foreigners in their own land.

It is sad the corruption of the west that westerners can't understand a group of people making a choice and for that choice to be respected internationally that was not first approved by the US or EU. It seems the west thinks it is arbiter or who gets to do what and when.

A very interesting definition of democracy and freedom of choice...

But then what choices do they get so it makes sense that if they can't choose or they get two choices of bad or worse, when why should these foreigners be allowed to choose to get out of the trap of being an aspiring western european country...

Always expect the worst when it comes to this "special military operation".

Pessimism is for the weak... for people who can't handle failure... most education systems in the west punish failure and many millionaires never completed their education... if you are too afraid to fail then you are too afraid to take risks and it is risks that offer the best return... failure is only bad if you keep repeating failures without learning from them. Using failures to change your tactics and plans is the best policy... never risk anything you are not prepared to lose, but if you don't risk anything you will never win anything.

If Putin was not prepared to take any risks then Russia would not have attacked and likely on the 8th of March this year the Orcs would likely have mounted a massive invasion of the Donbass and Lugansk and also likely attacks on the Crimea and the Crimean bridge... the latter most likely with anti ship missiles.

Who knows how much damage they might have caused and how many they could have killed before Russia could have reacted.

The alternative to a Russian invasion would not be peace... war was already happening and Kiev would have escalated it instead... blaming Putin and Russia of course...

Perhaps starting with some provocation with chemical weapons or some such BS games the west loves to play.

The Russian army will continue to try to advance, but slowly and deliberately. The maximum will be the liberation of Donbass, after which attempts will be made to negotiate peace from a strong defensive position.

But if they are going to negotiate away everything why bother advancing at all?

For a real offensive, the Russian side would have had to mobilize 1 million men, which, by the way, would not be a problem.

Their original attacking force was less than 300K so this has doubled the force that walked all over the biggest army in Europe...

More drones means things are even better now this time around and for the enemy things are much worse... how many mercs do they have on their books and how long will they stay when Russian forces start to encircle them?

Aid to Ukraine will not stop, the US wants to defeat Russia at all costs...no matter how much debt they incur in the process, the money press is on. USA will fight Russia to the last ukrainian!!!

That is perfect because there is no amount of money or weapons the US can possibly send to Ukraine to enable them to beat the Russians, but trying to do so seriously damages the US and undermines its position and its currency... watch more and more countries rush to join BRICS.

You forget only one little thing... Ukraine is supported by the collective West!

The same collective western forces whose support was worth diddly squat in Afghanistan.... most of the support never leaves the US and goes straight into already full pockets there...

Nearly 1 billion people, biggest economy of the world, global access to ressources, global dominance in the information space...

This conflict is leading to those 1 billion people who expect a bit of comfort to cut themselves off from cheap energy resources, their dominance of Facebook and twitter will not help during power cuts... In Hollywood the US wins every war it fights... even made up wars... but does that actually make any difference at all?

The Russian leadership is too afraid of regime change. They does not trust their own people to support a full-fledged war to liberate the territories.

It is not about trust, it is about shifting their economy to a war footing... normally necessary to feed the enormous demand for ammo and fuel and other resources an army needs, but they seem to be coping without draconian changes or decrees... in comparison many western countries have emptied their inventories of ready to use ammo and are exposed and vulnerable and now needing to put in significant orders to restock which is going to be an added expense at a time when inflation is high and interest rates are high so all the money they borrowed is going to cost more to service the interest payments let alone pay the principle...

And the price of American energy is four times higher for EU customers than for US customers... that is going to be popular... screwing allies like that... they might as well be enemies.

A machine powered by the Copium you guys excreted would be far more effective

Copium is a made up word, and in this case it is being used by hysterical little girls who are panicking and don't understand why those around them are now also screaming and crying that life is not fair.

What you call copium is amusing... living in America are you? Because it is well known that to cope with everyday stress and other issues many americans choose opiates prescribed by doctors making good money as drug dealers selling hits to make people calm and poor.

In the rest of the world there are things called adults that look at situations and facts and calmly think about what is happening and why and try to understand the problems and the solutions being used and work out for themselves why such choices are being made with very limited information.

Often we don't know everything that is happening which makes working things out difficult... for instance I was sure Putin would not invade the Ukraine... it didn't make sense... even with the nazi bullshit and the bio weapons labs and even the talk of giving them nukes an invasion was still a big step for Russia... the US on the other hand would have invaded if they looked at them funny.

Finding out the Orcs planned an invasion of the new independent regions which might include the Crimea as well... well then it became obvious that his decision made perfect sense... no drugs were required to come to that conclusion and no panic attacks or crying for Putins head made sense.

But keep being a child, I am letting you idiots speak because it ruins the credibility of the Kiev propaganda you repeat over and over till it is disproved.

Russia has but one choice left now, attack from the north through Belarus but in order to do that Belarus would need to join the "SMO" if russian forces attack from that area that auto means Belarus now also in the war, after all you cannot let someone use your territory to attack and be neutral.

So what you are saying is that Russia is free to attack Poland?

And the UK where Kievs forces are being trained?

Well the bridges got blown out which means it was no trap indeed, rather Ukraine pushed Russia out.

New bridges can be built, including temp bridges if needed and an encircling force that envelops any Orc stupid enough to move forward into the vacuum they left... how long will they hold out cut off from supplies with Russian forces advancing into Orc territory... what major ground force does Kiev have to block such an attack?

"But they will attack in winter duuuur"

So you are saying no attacks from Russia all winter?

Will be interesting to see how HATO equipment performs in the cold.

Wont hold my breath.

and the clown experts here kept saying Himmers was a POS..

It is a piece of shit, the Russians already have better systems for a fraction of the price in vastly greater numbers in operation.

Those GMLRS launched, most get shot down or jammed most of the time and the risk taken means some launchers are going to get hit in the process...

Keep it up.

And blowing up the bridges doesn't really prevent anything nor mean what you think it means. Russia wouldn't use them to advance back onto the right bank - as the Ukrainians could set explosives to them or hide artillery in range.

Basic common sense tactics in fighting in built up areas is to not use doors and windows for building entry... blow a hole in a wall and enter that way because there is less likely to be someone pointing a gun at you already and less likely to be booby trapped like a window or doorway.

Twitter seems to be blocked in Russia so can't view those tweets

More nazi propaganda from the west, you are not missing anything...

Preserved russian manpower, can kill Ukrainians more efficiently from new position on the left.

Ukraine can occupy the city, but may not enjoy the price of claiming the land - forces bogged down in south, city can still be attacked by Russia from another direction and they wasted precious HIMAR missiles on dam for no benifit. Only made it easier for Russians to kill them.

Now they have suicide drones in large numbers attacking Orcs inside a city actually becomes more feasable and practical allowing vehicles and units to be taken out with precision that reduced collateral damage.

Russa was FORCED to make that choice because of Ukraine PERIOD,

No one forced them to do anything, they chose to preserve their forces because they don't want to waste their men... alien to the west I know... they decided that leaving forces there carried risks they were not prepared to take...

was it the best choice giving the options? maybe that's up for debate but your a delusional person if your going to sit there and claimed they made the choice because they wanted to, they did it BECAUSE UKRAINE MADE THEM.

English is a complex language but if the Ukraine made them then there was no choice. Even you admit they made a choice.

And that choice included putting up with whining and moaning from nazis and fags, but that is part of being a grown up with grown up decisions.

Kids never understand.

Russia looks tentative and overwhelmed. I'm not saying Russia can't turn it around, but time is of the essence here. If they're gonna do something to turn the tide, they gotta do it in the next few weeks one would imagine.

Billy, you keep posting tweets from a source that has a tick... considering Twitter is western propaganda, that tick indicates they are an enemy combatant and you are not only listening to them and believing their shit but passing it on to others.

How does it feel to be Navalny?

A fifth columnist.

A Nazi supporter.

Precisely! This is why despite the fact that Russia is going to win hands down in Ukraine Putin should NOT burn the European bridge for the sake of some discredited, meaningless mostly third world gatherings like BRICS and SCO.

**** Europe... they have been trying to destroy Russia for centuries... BTW that meaningless BRICS is half the worlds population and 40% of its GDP... you do understand any organisation with China and India should not be dismissed... like an empty meaningless old boys rich club like the G7 with colonial wannabes circling the drain looking desperately for anything to grab on to to pull themselves up even if it means pulling someone else who is safe down to their situation.

BRICS is expanding and growing and creating an alternative block for the rest of the world that is open to everyone but is not dominated by any country like HATO or EU or other western orgs.

Netherlands has already started the process of lifting sanctions against Russia, I understand Italy under its new nationalist government is contemplating doing the same. Rest of Europe will also follow.

Moves of desperation, not of friendship... **** them.

The only relation that should count for Russia outside Europe is China not third world, poverty stricken South Africa or India.

What you are missing is that free and fair trade with South Africa and India is their best chance to get out of the holes they are in and it helps Russia and China too... it does not help the west and they will start to panic when they realise... but always too late.

What makes you say that? Russia has established complete air dominance over Ukraine's skies. Precision strikes has caused Ukrainians to retreat in several sectors across Mykolaiv. A besieged city like Mykolaiv can always be over run.

With plenty of drones do they need to send troops into cities or urban areas any more?

Encircle them and pick out the enemy military positions at your leisure...

Self fulfilling bias at its best. Either you are Indian or one of those notorious Indian forum members have shared such garbage with you.

By that token you must be a paki?

I am not Indian or Pakistani, I am an evil Anglo Saxon... British heritage that has done so much damage around the world and continues to think they should still have any say whatsoever...

India is the world's 6th largest economy after US, China, Germany, Japan and probably even U.K.

Not if you count debt... and without cheap energy German industry will be moving to the US and Japan and UK might disappear completely... especially when the Scots have their say.

Much easier to leave a sinking ship... and look at who is captain of that ship...

Most importantly their per capita income is 1/5 of that of Russia's. That's how poor a country it is.

The funny thing is that it is a country with enormous potential so investments tend to give much better returns and rapid growth is actually possible compared with an already developed country.

You are smoking some good cope!

Russia has lost the war dude, they will leave Zaporozhye eventually after a "difficult choice", and Putin will try to get a deal for LDNR and Crimea

That's the best he will do

He can declare victory once if takes Donbass and frame it as a victory

Hahaha.... says Zelensky puppet... say no to drugs.

People in Europe don't vote for folks like that anymore and America wouldn't allow it either.

The west has mechanisms in place to prevent such people from ever getting any where near positions of power.... Bellingcat is a case in point... a western intel based org that discredits anyone who does not tow the party line in Europe... they will throw shit at anyone who is not openly hostile to Russia and Putin and they will throw it in such volumes some will stick.... but that is good because the last thing Russia needs is to be friends with Europe... what a bunch of self important bastards... look at the world they are trying to create... they undermine all the values they claim to hold dear... they cheat in their own fucking elections for goodness sake and independent media are not tolerated... when no one is allowed to question the truth or expose war crimes what sort of system do you have?

Sell them some stuff and leave the rest of it to stew in its own juices for a bit... they need to sort their own houses out... and until they do they are not worth talking to.

India itself is quite rich as a country. Its people are poor.

And which western country does that not describe...

How realistic is it that Brother Garry finally blocks you and rids us of your idiotic comments..?

It is important to out fake Russia friendly bots, and let them speak their minds so it can be clear these children are not worth listening to.

Good to alert everyone to the new Kiev propaganda initiative, but overall not a lot of value... certainly at the moment.

Hey, there's a first time for everything?

Which is why I don't like to ban for views... very few people will disagree about absolutely everything...

I smoked the cope early on, but I'm good off cope - reality is a better stimulant anyway

Your belief you need chemicals to get you through makes you sound very very American housewife...

Arguably fortifications are armor. You just couldn't bring them anywhere.
The shaped-charge jet of the PG-7R can pierce through 1.5 m of masonry, 3 m of dirt.
Only the heaviest bunkers would have walls that thick.

Even a thin wall can have four or five layers of sandbags full of sand placed against it to stop small arms rounds penetrating... a PG-7 round of various different versions and types will make that direction no longer as safe as the occupants once thought... which is a surprise because your initial shots make them take cover and they will take cover behind the heaviest protection.... an RPG shot to make those sandbags airborne dust might not directly hit the enemy combatants hiding behind it but burying them in sand and filling the air with dust and debris will make fighting back rather harder for them and will also make them realise no place in their little fortified building is actually safe... not a good feeling.

The Russians have NEVER declared publicly and shown that they want to occupy/liberate Nikolaev and Odessa, but that was the "plan" of the forum members. The Russians have a land corridor to Crimea and that is what is obviously important to them. I'm not sure about Kharkov, time will tell.

No they haven't but they have recently identified that Kiev was using Odessa and humanitarian aid corridors to ship weapons and drones to attack Russia and this whole conflict was about Russia seeing Ukraine as a threat and wanting to do something about that threat.

Thinking about that for a moment suggests giving up territory they don't currently occupy and signing a peace agreement with Kiev whom they had agreements with in the past which meant nothing... what are the chances of Putin signing anything to save face?

Even if he gifted the west the rest of the Ukraine and Kaliningrad and the Kurile islands the west would not like Putin or say anything nice about him or Russia... they would see it as a sign of weakness and demand more the way Zelensky demands aide from the west...

But the doomsayers can keep crying... makes no difference.

The money that comes from the West to artificially maintain Ukroshitstan will not come forever. And even that Western "paper" (money) no longer has coverage, but is being printed indiscriminately.

The money will be getting redirected to slush funds at both ends of the process... some claimed to be sent will never arrive and that which arrives will be split between robber barons and western politicians in Ukrainian government as their way to escape when things get really bad.

The average Ukrainian... gets shafted and drafted... no condoms and no grave marker...

NEVER BUT NEVER have the Russians given any indication that they will move in the direction of Nikolaev and Odessa, but some have been writing about it for months.

That is true, but they describe a western supported Kiev as a threat and I can't see the west leaving ukraine any way other than by force or fear they will be targeted.

Going in just to take these two regions and getting two more regions as a bonus would not be worth the effort... they could have funded and supported those two regions and do to Kiev what Kiev is trying to do to Russia... but that is not likely to do more than piss the opponent off and cause escalations.

Which is what it is doing.

Am I really seeing people say "Russia never said it it would take this" but these same people said Russia will and has to take places like Odessa, dam funny how fast their mind changes when they are trying to protect a shit storm lol

Well doesn't it make sense.... Russia has never said it will take Odessa, but it never said it would take anything and never said it wouldn't either.

It is not about changing minds... it is about clarification that talk on here about taking Odessa or anything else was purely speculation on our part and not part of anyones actual plans.

Yes they should do that, but they won't unfortunately. They would need a shit ton more troops committed to the front and willing to accept more casualties (including civilian). Putin doesn't want to do that.

Most mobilised Orcs are at or near the front line... plenty more are distributed around various urban areas, but most of their best are going to the front line for operations... and are being ground up at a fairly steady rate.

Imagine you are posted in Odessa and you get orders to move to the vicinity of Kerson... and when you arrive your first mission is to probe Russian lines because that is the job the recent arrivals of cannon fodder will be given because the foreign mercs who have been here for a while know is suicide and wont do it...

How long will that continue to work for them... a librarian with some accountants and a guy who owns a pet food shop... you know hard core high quality special forces types...

giving up Odessa is also giving up Transnistria. I dont think it will happen.

I am not sure they will want to leave much to the orcs in the end... and I also think many people in that region would prefer to be Russians or neutral because this experiment to become Europeans has not really gone that well.

Still waiting for that winter offensive, until then every step backward id just gonna piss me off.
And if there is no goddamn offensive, than i am gonna go full Doomer.

Until then.

The hint is in the name... winter...

Some of us early "doomers" were just ahead of our time it seems.....smh...unless Russia decides to fight back seriously again.

No, it is a weakness scale... early doomer is the weakest... with never doomer... = adult.

To achieve this the pull back must have been going on for a while.

Or the estimates of weeks were total bullshit?

Not talk at all. Russia has an equivalent of the ATACMS (Iskander), so it would not be considered an unfair escalation.

What has fair to do with anything... the US and France have nukes so the Donbass units should get nukes?

The big question is if the US will allow Ukraine to use such weapons to strike Crimea -- whether that would be considered a red line or not. Based on the UK's collaboration with Ukraine on the Sevastopol drone attack attempt, I think they will say yes.

The amusing thing is who gives a **** what they think.... it is what the Russians think that matters...

Yes let Ukraine spend a year building up more and more weapons coming in free of charge, that will work out well~

I don't think he meant a truce for a year... missiles and drones can perfect the process of disrupting supplies and troop and other concentrations of Orc forces.

It should be interesting to see how these suicide drones manage in an urban area picking off military targets... I suspect the best tactic will be to fly high and dive down on targets to avoid lines and fences and any netting they might be setting up... vertical attacks should be more effective against armour and in terms of fragmentation lead to a better spread of death around the point of impact.

Why waste your RF troops lives when there might be soon no ukraine left for the Nazis to fight for?. Remember, the nazis are not trapped.

They will be mostly near the front line but pushing conscripts forward towards Russian lines finding gaps and weaknesses... Russia needs to learn to find the stepping off points and finding Orc forces in those areas because they are the ones they should be hitting hardest...

The cope is so good, I wish I could have some of it

You sound like you ODed on something and are now an empty nazi loving shell of a man...

I give it until January for you cope addicts to explain why a winter offensive was unnecessary,

Your artificial deadlines are meaningless... it is the lines of dead Ukrainian soldiers that matter now.

i seriously don't understand why Russia pulled out of Kherson when they had it under there control, to me it feels like a own goal that gave Ukraine a propaganda victory.

Because if they tried to hold it the first obvious step for Kiev to try to take it would be to destroy the dams to the north which would create serious problems keeping those forward deployed Russian forces supplied... think of the river as being the English Channel and so you are essentially saying that Britain has their amazing air force and the Royal Navy... of course they will be able to keep British expeditionary forces supplied in Dunkirk... don't withdraw them... leave them there and fight it out.

But it is not even that... the Russians pulled out all their stuff easily enough and have not even had to leave all their heavy weapons behind...

Of course the difference is that the Orcs are no German Army and while they have numbers they don't have a lot else.

something else might be going on that they needed those troops but to me it feels as if Russia abandoned the people of Kherson to the naz.is

Most of the civilians have already been evacuated.

If there is a peace deal on the horizon you'll hear about it, and you'll certainly hear about Russia's conditions for it. It will be as public as it can get.

It won't happen in the way the Americans want it to; some backroom discussion via Jake Sullivan through Saudi Arabia aimed chiefly at the US preserving both the regime, the capacity to arm it up again, and the appearance of victory - and Russia being humiliated.

Secrecy in deals only benefit those who intend to break them... so the US loves secret deals... Russia no so much.

Well apparently there was no trap in Kherson.

Traps are not always instantly sprung...

This is a war of Extermination being waged by you westerners against Russia. Apparently when its your side who is doing the slaughter its perfectly normal and that there is nothing to see, but when others suggest the same approach suddenly they are deranged and mentally ill

Kiev shelling donbass and lugansk ukrainians was given the wests gold seal of approval.... Russia returning the favour is genocide and you are not having it...

I don't see that as a winning strategy at all.

You see only what suits your existing beliefs...

Did you grab this script from your NATzO Tabloid propagandists?

Probably pulled the script from the next Bond movie from the rubbish bin.

You cannot fully explain the Russian mess up in Ukraine without mentioning the political layer of it.

You haven't explained anything except your petty bias...

1. Why hasn't Russia at any point targeted the Ukrainian political+military leadership?

At the start there was no point... Zelensky was the least anti Russian politician Kiev had... Kill Zelensky and you get Poroshenko... he might do a better job...

Later on I doubt they were even in Kiev with all those Green Screen videos... and besides if killing the enemy leader why did the whole country need to be destroyed by the west before they managed it... how many decades did it take to get Saddam or Gadaffi or Bin Laden... or Castro or Assad... or Putin?

2. Why hasn't Russia targeted the Ukrainian infrastructure in an effort to hamper the endless resupplying of UAF?

If they didn't have armour or weapons they would hide in their holes and be quite difficult to kill.

Putin didn't even use the threat of nuclear war to influence Western public opinion. The Russians went out of their way to avoid it thus negating important leverage.

You doomsayers are fucking hilarious... first you complain when Putin gives the west his red lines because he wont do anything about it and so it makes him look weak.

Invading the Ukraine is something though isn't it?

Now you want him to threaten the orcs with nuclear weapons... how could he ever follow through on that stupid threat?

It is not just Putin that deals are currently being cut with; there are plenty of actors behind the scenes positioning for the post-Putin era.

Claims of deals are coming from the west... which clearly shows how desperate they are... Putin has no reason at all for any such deals... when the ground is hard he can get what he wants on the battlefield with no negotiations needed.

There seems to have been some quid pro quo regarding targeting the political leadership - another mistake on Putin's part. Infrastructure was targeted at some points and in varying degrees, but not early enough, nor sufficiently enough.

Again your opinion... The infrastructure of the Orcs was not touched till winter started to approach where lack of electrical power would have the greatest effect in depopulating regions currently held by Orcs... coincidence?

I think it's partly because much of the Russian leadership was too tied to the West for years and a lot of that residue is hampering their decision making/judgement right now.

The point is that they were never tied to the west, the west always looked down on them and made demands but no concessions...

Hard for the leadership to wage the right kind of war needed with that background for many of them imo.

The open anti Russia rhetoric should make it easy and obvious that Russia has no future with the west... so if it wants a future it needs to look to the rest of the world...

Putin has gone out of his way to not use nukes because he is not a genocidal war criminal.

It certainly helps that nukes in this case would serve no practical purpose except if directed at Brussels or Washington or London.

IF he unleashed hell, and to be fair the US and NATO have done so much crap in the developing world that they deserve hell, and rained down 8,000 warheads on Europe and the US we would retaliate by raining down 8000 of our warheads on him and life in the northern hemisphere becomes a lot less possible than it is currently.

Yeah, but just because there are no downsides doesn't mean they should do it...

Nuclear war and the threat of nuclear war is not the card you play now beyond ensuring your foe knows you have nukes and if you f around too much you can rest assured that you will find out.

Makes sense for countries heavily in debt and with crippled economies that are only going to get worse when the oil supply plummets with Russia stopping oil exports because of western oil price caps, but for countries making good money and finding new allies and trade partners it does not.

I don't agree with first point , whether he is a martyr or not makes no difference, they need to incapacitate Ukraine, the kid glove bullshit is not working

Decapitating the leadership works to disrupt control

Early on there were enough idiots to replace him that might do a better job and actually be competent... now he is a joke and is pissing off his allies demanding more no matter what they offer... is there anyone he hasn't pissed off in the west?

And for second point, I also disagree, why tie your own hands to fight a "clean" war?

Because when the war ends the peace begins and if you were a total during the war the chances of the peace lasting is less.

It would be a humanitarian crisis for NATO as they would go west. They should have hit those bridges with iskanders on day 1.

Wouldn't a humanitarian crisis in the middle of winter with their own energy shortages have more effect?

They can hit those bridges any time they please... Kh-32 would easily wreck a bridge...

Well it was and continues to be an incredibly foolish failure on their part to allow their enemy freedom of movement and easy logistics.

Unless they have the memory of goldfish having the start of the war being moderate and then serious hardship during winter... they might reflect on the fact that the longer the war continues the worse it is getting... conclusion?

Don't believe at all that Himars has been jammed.

They mentioned previously that four were jammed and 22 were shot down in an attack.

Presumably the four that were jammed were heading towards a protected item that had a jammer there which was effective because of proximity... the other rockets were shot down.

It does indeed bolster enemy morale.
Russia however doesn't care much about short-term morale boosts for the Ukraine and indeed they are short-term.

Just look at Ark... you can be high and then low and then high again... it is the roller coaster nature that breaks them... their morale means nothing if they are marching forward into open territory with artillery shells on the way... high morale does not stop fragments or fuel air explosive shells from a 152mm gun or TOS vehicle...

I guess Russia wasn't bluffing with Crimean bridge retaliation after all

So Russia got a nice bowl of Geraniums and Iran got Iskanders... nice.

But of course Iran and Russia are no longer bound by the INF treaty or export treaties so its range can be anything they want.

NATO fanboys OTOH are doing victory laps

HATO fag boys are always doing victory laps... mainly of their mothers beds... support for nazis is their goal so we should be celebrating the separation of the west with Russia... a bullet dodged there.

And jury's still out on whether Kherson is a trap or some sort of political no man's land deal. If the former, then wasting bombs on some recon elements would be dumb. Russia has been up to something quite extensively around that territory. If/when the Ukraine moves some proper forces in, we'll see what.

Maybe they want to test and get experience in hunting in urban areas with suicide drones... let the hunt begin... let them play until the ground gets hard...

As for Serbia's opinions and the predicament of the beleaguered local Russian shills - it's no problem, you'll just switch back and the NATO shills will be run out of town when Russia wins.
Serbia making any gestures towards Moscow and drawing the ire of NATO just to get slapped by the Kosovo Albanians on the border currently serves nobody anyway. Might as well lie low and keep neutral until we get around to you.

When someone mentioned the Ukrainian civilians left behind welcoming the Orcs I immediately thought of the TV show Allo Allo... the local french peasant had to suck up to whomever was in charge... it is too dangerous not to.

Don't fight fights you can't win.

Be patient and don't forget.

What happens when Ukraine then breaks through from Saporoschi and threatens the Crimea in the north and cuts Cherson? 100,000 men in the trap and path. So that the Crimea threatens massively. China would understand that as an invitation. Russia would have a serious problem.

Don't really agree with any of that, because I don't think the Orcs forces can break through anywhere now even with hard ground, but making them think Crimea is in reach... well that sounds like the best possible bait you could lay in any trap you care to think of...

But the doomsayers tell us there is no trap... Russia is just retreating... no traps here...

Another BS. This story about jammer Himars is months old and results are that Russian AD still have to shoot them down. Same as Ukrainian claims about jammed Krasnopol or Russian drones.

GPS jammers are not fiction, they are fact, but like most GPS jammers their range is limited so placing a GPS jammer close to a target you are defending means only the rockets aimed at that target would be effected... the small warhead of HIMARS means shifting the ground coordinates by say 10m or 20m in one direction or another would result in a complete miss... but rockets aimed at other targets nearby would still need to be shot down because the shift would not be big enough and they would still do damage to the target.

Podlodka77 anyone who is a bit interested in geopolitics knows that China is already the number one world superpower. It is worth comparing to aviation how fast they build new ships. Soon they will dominate the world's oceans, not the United States

All I know is that Russia is trading with them and cooperating with them in lots of different areas, while the US demands its own allies make China an enemy.

Wonder how that is going to work out...

Detailed thread on use of Lancet drone

Videos indicate, bigger warhead (10-30kg) is needed.

Main costs is of seeker, datalinks. So bigger warhead/airframe is cheap upgrade. Perhaps Future suicide drones might be bigger

A larger warhead means more fuel and more powerful motor and bigger drone, so Lancet-20 might be rather huge, but then Geranium-2 already has a 30kg warhead doesn't it?

Sometimes you don't need to change anything... just use the next size up in drone types.

That was putting the ones with the remains of brains in a shock condition because nobody here really knows the scale of Chinese achievements. When the Chinese were negotiating the reconstruction of one of the railways here, my friend was one of the negotiating team.

The Chinese also built roads in Africa that are world standard... and vastly superior to the roads the western colonial countries DIDN'T build while they were there.

Funny how easily stereotypes take over from reality...

Why is it mostly people who cqnt speak Russian and dont communicate with Russians who are celebrating everything the russian MoD does even when they shit the bed, while insulting and threatening everyone who disagrees and actually expresses the sentiment of actual Russians in Russia?

Putin makes more sense than any western leader... or even any three western leaders rolled in to one with their good points enhanced and bad points removed.

We come to this forum and see what Russia is trying to do and what the west does in response or even out of the blue with no provocation at all.

Our support is informed, your bile and hate is not.

ALAMO, I'm bad at copying texts and I always do something wrong, so I'll have to do this. The most interesting to me is the information of an blogger on YouTube (not a joke at all) who reported that in just two years during the construction of infrastructure, China spent more cement than the USA in the entire 20th century.
Didn't Hollywood teach us to admire the USA, specifically Chicago and New York, precisely because of the Willis tower or the WTC and Empire State building ?
So it is already clear that the myth of the promised land has been shaken because in recent decades it has been "promised" only to the richest oligarchs - sorry, that's what they are called in Russia and that name must not be used in that "light house" of Western civilization.
The only thing I have always known is the fact that the USA is not able to peacefully step down from the world stage, as the USSR once did, and admit to the whole world that its time has passed.
Greetings to you, my friend..i found the video...