Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

flamming_python wrote:
And I don't want any big arrow advances or any sort of grand risks either.

A funny fact is, that the doomers are in an obvious denial stage.
Matter of big arrows or lacking them is pure politics. That should be crystal clear to anyone who watched this operation since the beginning. I can repeat that again and again : the tempo of operation was matching the Bagration. Russkie columns advanced some 600 km in 3 weeks.
But as you have said, and we all already did, the big red arrows are made of the red blood. Always.
The whole operation was a risky business just from the beginning, this is why most of us who have some sane perspective were quite sure that there will be no war at all. I will repeat again: something happened back then in Feb that pushed Russia to war. After struggling for 8 years to avoid it. After multiple provocations, Ukro army buildup, and relocations, finally, something happened that was a real red line crossing. We won't know what that was, can only speculate.
The situation is purely psychological I would say.
Russkie took 20% of the Ukro, 70% of its resources, and more than 50% of its economy. Now they are truly bombing them back into stone age. Missiles fly in all directions uncontested, drones are doing their "brmmmmmmm" daily basis. We don't have a waste coverage ot the matters not because something has changed, but because the Ukrs don't have power anymore. They lack Internet, lack electricity, lack water. Sewage system is not working, metro is not working, rail transport is paralyzed. We don't see that, because they lost the possibility to show that.
Western Wunderwaffe proves to be fragile, non capable, hell of expensive, and very slow to resupply.
Denazification run at a full swing, Azov members are now more busy giving interviews rather than fighting.
Take a look at the production lines. UVZ is busy as a hive, lines of new tanks are endless. We hear multiple records about increasing orders for everything, and we do see a giant increase in the number of new tools of war at Russkie disposal.
All the mighty offensives have struck in empty, and the number of KIA can be measured in tons only. Russkie just leave the areas where they don't want to fight, and the Ukrs can do perfectly nothing about that. Ukrs are carrying the usual business of the twitter victories made for twitter warriors. They are bleeding white to stage a commercials for the sponsors, to make them look fine on the meetings. They will cheer themselves there, while we hear from multiple directions how the shit really looks like.
More and more EU countries are silently stepping back from the sanctions. Hungary made a de facto full turn, and nobody even speaks about sanctions there anymore. Heating bills will be lower this season than in the last one, imagine that. The Netherlands excludes 100 own companies from any sanction regime, and the exclusions are being provided by each bloody ministry - it looks like it is enough to send them mail to get a permission Germany is openly saying that "we didn't sanctioned any gas deals". Signals from the US that "you must collaborate with at least some of Russian banks". 18bln euro for Ukr disposal in 2023 from the EU is under a big question, not only Hungary is considering blocking the package. Italy stepped down any assistance, same applies to Germany and France. Seized fertilizers from Rotterdam are heading to Africa already, we talk about 20kT - 8% of the whole register. Russian agro production is flooding the markets. India/Russia trade is galloping like crazy, and multiple different ministers are showing middle finger to the west. They are openly telling them to GTFO. Russia/China relations are on it's historical peak, the latest personal changes in the China authorities present even stronger tendency.
The west can't win a war with Russia, that is why it struggles to destroy it inside out. We will face multiple psyops increases. Fake news, fake accounts, fake stories only to push the Russians and fool them how about the things are wrong. How do you think, what a doomer accounts on this forum are doing? Registered in 2016, with a heritage of 3 posts, but so active lately? With "innocent questions asked"?
It is all a part of a project. Just like that.

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:Why is it mostly people who cqnt speak Russian and dont communicate with Russians who are celebrating everything the russian MoD does even when they shit the bed, while insulting and threatening everyone who disagrees and actually expresses the sentiment of actual Russians in Russia?

The sentiment of actual Russians in Russia is pretty muted. The operation has not had a big impact on the economy or day to day life, notwithstanding products/services under sanctions, people who left the country and the scares of the start of the war and the start of mobilization.
They're a variety of opinions about the war, the older generation more sees the necessity for it or inevitability of it, while the younger generation is more skeptical about it. No doubt there is also a difference between the big cities and the smaller towns. But even discussions have pettered out a long time ago. There is not much to discuss and people have moved on.
Overall as long as people's lives aren't affected too much - then they won't pay war events too much mind either. Or just vote with their feet and leave the country. Whatever their preference

Please don't mistake assorted right-wing idiots as 'the sentiment of actual Russians in Russia'. Yes there are people who follow the war and rage about every withdrawal and believe in every disparaging post on Slavyangrad, or outright Ukro psyops. Just as there also are people who make themselves more useful and volunteer for work with refugees, donate old things and whatever else. But that's not most people, they are just 2 groups among the population, with those involved in the operation directly forming another group. And most people even if they do update themselves on the war on occasion, don't follow it especially closely

From my point of view, as a person who's really too old for this Hunger Games shit but is nevertheless subject potentially to mobilization - I could care less about either the seige of the tankies in Serbia, the wailing of the nationalist Telegram channels about leaving Kherson that oh most Russian of cities, the loss of credibility of all these pro-Russian Twitter accounts who have the proverbial pie in the face with Surovikin's withdrawal - all these groups are concerned first and foremost about the implications for themselves, and the potential loss of their economy of audience. Nor do I care much about all the people who have hung on their every word. Or the extreme examples of which there are some on this forum, who were so invested in the conflict that they turned to the dark side of doomerism rather than match their desires with their actions, and sign up for service.
Nope, I don't care about any of that.

What I do care about, and I'm certainly not alone in this - is that the consistent Russian claim of prioritizing the lives of military personnel above all other concerns has so far been matched by their actions. And that's very important. There is nothing that would curb one's enthusiasm more than a meatgrinder.
And I don't want any big arrow advances or any sort of grand risks either. I'd much rather the enemy come to Russian lines instead. I'm lazy, I'm not in the shape I once was and if I am told to go to war then I'd rather have the advantage than being snipped off by some artillery that the Ukros have ranged against the road in advance to no-one's knowledge.
Assaulting a city carries with it an expressly high chance of getting a cap popped in your ass. Or setting off some trip-wire grenade in the doorway, or whatever else it may be. It's f'king dangerous. Matter of fact, until Russia introduces into service unmanned BMPTs and flying mini-drones armed with PKMs, Shotguns and RPOs that can just fly into every open window and flush out all the ambushing parties across entire city blocs - I'd rather that Russia avoids such battles entirely.
To me Kherson looked defensible. And there is something peculiar about this whole story. But whatever. I don't have the facts, and if Surovikin says that it's necessary to minimize risks to the troops and that the same job can be performed purely on the left bank of the Dnepr, then cool, so be it.

All tg channels I read lile greyzone, vladlen, dontstopwar, represythe viewpoints of actual Russian soldiers. Theyre headed by voenkors who communicate withthe soldiers, and have a much better view of the fromtline than you. The morale of the soldiers matters. Right now the morale is garbage, which leads to large surrenders in svatovo among mobilized.

And no, ill always believe voenkors who sleep in the mud, talk to privates, and risk getting shells, rather than some potbelly dinosaur on the TV screen or some blog made by some boomer on a desk like martyanov.
Also to rub salt in the wound, kike oligarch  Abramovich got 6 billion of frizen assets unlocked  in the west after Russia surrenderred kherson. Abramovich also participated in determining the exchanging of azov prisoners.  Young wageslave Russians I talk to all believe this and dont want to fight. Why fight when you wont be given drones, when a godfather will be exchanged for nazi murderers, when there wont be any liberation, when oligarchs and nepotistic geberals wont be shot?

Everyone knows that we Russians have such a birth trauma when we suddenly remember and realize that we sold Alaska for $7,200,000. Estimate the cost of Kherson:

• Erdogan said that he has developed a trusting relationship with Putin, without which it would not be possible to resume Russia's participation in the “grain deal”, he also positively assessed the withdrawal of Russia from Kherson, and in the next two to three days he is going to contact Putin to talk about what steps Russia is ready to take for peace negotiations

• The first batch of Russian fertilizers blocked in European ports will leave for Malawi next week

• The US is not opposed to India buying Russian oil at a price above the price ceiling, without using the services of Western companies for this

• The London Metal Exchange (LME) has decided not to impose a ban on the supply of metals from Russia, follows from the message of the exchange

• The United States extended the permit for energy-related transactions with the largest banks in Russia and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation until May 15, 2023

• The US Department of the Treasury allowed transactions for the operation of Russian diplomatic and consular missions

• The United States said it was waiting for signals of readiness for serious negotiations on Ukraine from Russia

• Jewish Kremlin oligarch Roman Abramovich, who actively participated in the negotiations on the exchange of Azov prisoners and fed his commanders on his personal plane, and is now involved in preparing a platform for Russia's participation in peace negotiations, received an unblocking of his personal accounts in the amount of more than 6 billion $
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Through undercover channels, Russian special services obtained access to an entire HIMARS MLRS missile, which was taken to the territory of the Russian Federation through the territory of a third country. One of the Russian military design bureaus has already received full access to a fully equipped HIMARS MLRS missile and is conducting engineering work to study it.
https://t.me/intelslava/40931?single

Broken armored vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Kherson region

The video was posted by a Ukrainian soldier.

The footage shows two T-80BVs, one of which is equipped with a KMT-6 mine sweeper, and one BMP-2.
https://t.me/anna_news/42626

A MoA poster words follow:

Re the MIM-23 Hawk SAM. Never once used in combat by US forces, retired & mothballed over 2 decades ago. The UAF would require extensive training to man them, then acquire competence and effectiveness re operational deployment. The missiles recalled from mothballing will have actually been manufactured between ~30-40 years ago. They are a lethal hazard to the operators without even considering to dare fire one. They will have to be refurbished/re-manufactured before shipment to UAF, which is close to the cost and time to actually manufacture new. My understanding is that is what the Pentagon has commenced by offering contracts to do so.

The latest shipment of donated 155mm artillery shells ~21,000 will in pre Feb24 daily fire rates, be exhausted in ~3 days.

Worn out Hummvees (~100) scavenged from training facilities, workshop repair are supposed to substitute for the now wholesale destruction of the now virtually non-existant IFVs & APCs that the UAF started with Feb24.

Most importantly, the UAF has not been supplied with spare parts and service/technical support for any of this junk 'donated' going back to Mar24. Not even wheel rims or spare tires, let alone tread for tracked vehs. So whenever they break a track, or it's damaged/destroyed by RF fires on '60's era M113s, UK tracked APCs, etc, they are abandoned. When wheeled APC's & Military offroad vehs dating back to the '60's, Saxons, Bushmasters, LandRovers, M117s, etc, get a tire spike, or are shredded by Arty splinters, they have no spare rims, nor tires, and they are abandoned.

UAF have no service support or tech specialists able to perform even the most perfunctory user/operator maintenance.

UAF has lost since 24Feb the entire approximate equivalent of the standing militaries of NATO members Germany, France & Italy combined in terms of Ground force arms/equipment and air assets. Think on that.

Hence the desperate resort to 'Technicals', armed pickup trucks and simply commercial passenger cars in lieu of IFVs/APCs over the past months. They can do basic maintenance/repairs and cannibalize parts from civil society, for a time, as well as serial smuggling of such into Ukraine.

Essentially there are no more Soviet era Tanks, T-55s-T72s left anywhere the Empire has working relations to ship anymore. IIRC ~45 Slovak/Cheznian 'modernized' T-55's have been rounded up, but are in such derelict condition the Netherlands is essentially rebuilding them at a rate of ~10/mth before on-forwarding.

The 30+ year old Soviet era Air Defence assets has been annihilated and Empire has nothing to supply without stripping it's own standing militaries.

Would estimate UAF operable tanks likely number less than 100(?) throughout the theatre, as they have only been able to support increasingly feeble failing daily direct attacks along the contact line, that in recent (last two months) cases are as small as 1 tank in support, coupla APC's with a 'scratch' infantry force of two composite companies and a bunch of 'technicals' civilian cars.

The coming UAF collapse of its armed forces will be sudden, rapid & catastrophic ...

Just saying ...

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2022 20:33 utc | 279

Couple of points on this from posts above that I have highlighted.

There is no claim that EW affected HIMARS, maybe that was elsewhere.

The UAF were not able to get to Kherson in other than small groups for very good reasons, Russian leave behind defences.


Summary of the Ministry of Defense of Russia on the situation in the zone of the special operation:

In the Kherson direction today at 5 o'clock in the morning Moscow time, the transfer of units of Russian troops to the left bank of the Dnieper River was completed. Not a single unit of military equipment and weapons on the right bank was left. All Russian servicemen crossed to the left bank of the Dnieper. Losses of personnel, weapons, military equipment and materiel of the Russian group of troops were not allowed.

During the night, the enemy tried to disrupt the transportation of civilians and the transfer of troops to the left bank of the Dnieper. On the crossings of the Dnieper River during the night, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were struck 5 blows from the HIMARS MLRS.

Russian air defenses shot down 28 rockets. Another five rockets were successfully deflected from their targets by electronic warfare.

The fire of Russian artillery, air strikes and the use of mine-explosive obstacles, the units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were stopped at a distance of 30-40 kilometers from the area of crossings over the Dnieper River.

Loitering ammunition "Lancet" and the fire of multiple launch rocket systems destroyed three American towed howitzers M777, two infantry fighting vehicles and three enemy pickups during the day.

In addition, more than twenty Ukrainian servicemen, two tanks, two self-propelled guns and three armored personnel carriers exploded on minefields.

In the Kupyansk direction,3 company tactical groups of the Armed Forces of Ukraine made unsuccessful attempts to launch an offensive from the areas of Yagodne, Kislovka and Volodymyrivka, Kharkiv region. The enemy was stopped and pushed back to their original positions. Morethan 120 Ukrainian militants, 2 tanks, 3 BMPs, 2 armored personnel carriers and 5 vehicles were destroyed.

In the Krasnolimansky direction, the active actions of the units of the Russian troops and the preemptive fire of artillery thwarted the attack of two companies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, reinforced by Polish mercenaries, in the direction of the villages of Chervonopopovka and Ploschanka of the LPR.

Enemy losses amounted to up to 90 Ukrainian militants and mercenaries killed and wounded, 1 AFV.

In the South-Donetsk direction,attempts by motorized infantry companies of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to counterattack in the direction of the village of Sladkoe of the DPR were stopped.

Artillery and army aviation destroyedmore than 65 Ukrainian militants, 1 tank and 4 armored personnel carriers.

Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery during the day hitninepoints of control of the Armed Forces of Ukrainein the areas of Novaya Kamenka, Pravdino, Kherson region, Novopetrovka, Ternivnye Pody of the Mykolaiv region, Ivanovka, Krakhmalne of the Kharkiv region, Bakhmutske, Kleshcheyevka, and Novoselka of the DPR, as well as 52 artillery units in firing positions, manpower and military equipment in 176 districts.

In the area of the city of Nikolaev, anammunition depot of the28th brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed.

During the counter-battery struggle, aplatoon of American towed howitzers M777in the area of Zolochiv, Kharkiv region, was suppressed. In addition, in the area of the village of Nevskoye LPR, a platoon of Ukrainian self-propelled howitzers "Acacia" was suppressed.

Fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forcesin the area of the village of Mirovka, Zaporozhye region, shot down a Mi-8 helicopter of the Air Force.

Air defense means shot downseven unmanned aerial vehicles during the day in the areas of the settlements of Golikovo, Krasnorechenske, Krivosheyevka of the Lugansk People's Republic, Makarovka, Nikolske and Kirillovka of the DPR.

In addition, 32 shells of the American HIMARS multiple launch rocket system were destroyed in the airin the areas of the settlements of Novaya Kakhovka, Korsunka and Antonovka of the Kherson region, as well as five American HARM anti-radar missiles in the areas of the settlements of Irmino of the Lugansk People's Republic, Yenakiieve of the Donetsk People's Republic, Korsunka and Nova Kakhovka of the Kherson region.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, 333 aircraft, 174 helicopters, 2486 unmanned aerial vehicles, 388 anti-aircraft missile systems, 6511 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 885 combat vehicles of multiple launch rocket systems, 3569 field artillery pieces and mortars, as well as 7166 units of special military vehicles have been destroyed.
t.me/rusvesnasu

According to New york Times Ukraine doesnt intend to stop but will attack Melitopol

DerWolf wrote:According to New york Times Ukraine doesnt intend to stop but will attack Melitopol

If this are true then there is no such thing as "leaked deals" etc people see in Telegram posts.

limb wrote:All tg channels I read lile greyzone, vladlen, dontstopwar, represythe viewpoints of actual Russian soldiers. Theyre headed by voenkors who communicate withthe soldiers, and have a much better view of the fromtline than you. The morale of the soldiers matters. Right now the morale is garbage, which leads to large surrenders in svatovo among mobilized.

Fanfiction writers

And morale is probably fine. Including in the Kherson front. People at the front have more faith in their military leadership, than those on the home-front who have smoked the crack pipe of the voenkors and telegram experts, who tell us about alcoholic officers, threats to execute subordinates, everyone running for their lives and whatever.
Case in point is the same Pavlovka. It took the soldiers themselves who had just been rotated out to re-equip, and earlier their commander, to get in touch personally and elaborate that morale is fine, they're making progress, they have some casualties but that tales of their untimely deaths have been greatly exaggerated.. to dispel that stinky pungent mess that was being spread by those with in your words the 'much better view of the frontline' than us.

And no, ill always believe voenkors who sleep in the mud, talk to privates, and risk getting shells, rather than some potbelly dinosaur on the TV screen or some blog made by some boomer on a desk like martyanov.
Also to rub salt in the wound, kike oligarch  Abramovich got 6 billion of frizen assets unlocked  in the west after Russia surrenderred kherson. Abramovich also participated in determining the exchanging of azov prisoners.

I believe those voenkors who show footage, and who actually interview front-line fighters on video, and ask them their opinions, what's deficient, what's great, and so on. Those are WarGonzo and Sladkov. The rest I wouldn't pay any attention to.

Which is actually a specific case of a more general rule I follow for this war.
If it ain't on video, don't take it seriously. Whether morale crises, or territorial changes, or allegations of torture, or otherwise.

Young wageslave Russians I talk to all believe this and dont want to fight. Why fight when you wont be given drones, when a godfather will be exchanged for nazi murderers, when there wont be any liberation, when oligarchs and nepotistic geberals wont be shot?

What, more IT crowd?
Those same panicky Neds that rushed out of the country in all directions - to Georgia, Finland, Kazakhstan, Mongolia - than risk being mobilized by an army they never served in and one that wasn't about to serve them notices anyway?

Of course it's possible to rationalize your resistance to mobilization by any 1 of 1001 ways. What it always comes down to though is you saving your own bacon while someone less privileged, and perhaps younger - will end up having to go in your stead instead. And as pavi here I think mentioned, even if the soup's sour you still have to eat it. The war is on regardless of what you think of it, or regardless of who was first at fault. It's not going to stop on account of your objections to it and if your country looses, well then better emigrate now because Washington and pals are not going to let Russia off the hook - it will be dismantled as Germany at Versailles and people will live like crap under a compradre oligarch regime.

Though if you don't care about any of that and are perfectly content to just emigrate and live your own comfortable life and apologize once a day for being Russian to all those around you if necessary, well then go for it. I'm not in a mind to judge anyone for their decisions.

The point is that Russia already has some 600k land forces, and that is only if they made an usual draft&released the reservists. If not, we talk close to 700k men.
It is objectively a huge force, especially if we remember the force multipliers they have.

Re : EW used on HIMARS, it is nothing unusual folks. They don't jam it, but causing a preemptive detonation of the warheads. The trick is, that it is a very powerful emission, and unfortunately small range. Grad missiles were detonated at a range of some 1000 m, and that is as far as that can work if you ask me. That is why they can't cover this way area or a big strategic objects.

JohninMK wrote:A MoA poster words follow:

Re the MIM-23 Hawk SAM. Never once used in combat by US forces, retired & mothballed over 2 decades ago. The UAF would require extensive training to man them, then acquire competence and effectiveness re operational deployment. The missiles recalled from mothballing will have actually been manufactured between ~30-40 years ago. They are a lethal hazard to the operators without even considering to dare fire one. They will have to be refurbished/re-manufactured before shipment to UAF, which is close to the cost and time to actually manufacture new. My understanding is that is what the Pentagon has commenced by offering contracts to do so.

The latest shipment of donated 155mm artillery shells ~21,000 will in pre Feb24 daily fire rates, be exhausted in ~3 days.

Worn out Hummvees (~100) scavenged from training facilities, workshop repair are supposed to substitute for the now wholesale destruction of the now virtually non-existant IFVs & APCs that the UAF started with Feb24.

Most importantly, the UAF has not been supplied with spare parts and service/technical support for any of this junk 'donated' going back to Mar24. Not even wheel rims or spare tires, let alone tread for tracked vehs. So whenever they break a track, or it's damaged/destroyed by RF fires on '60's era M113s, UK tracked APCs, etc, they are abandoned. When wheeled APC's & Military offroad vehs dating back to the '60's, Saxons, Bushmasters, LandRovers, M117s, etc, get a tire spike, or are shredded by Arty splinters, they have no spare rims, nor tires, and they are abandoned.

UAF have no service support or tech specialists able to perform even the most perfunctory user/operator maintenance.

UAF has lost since 24Feb the entire approximate equivalent of the standing militaries of NATO members Germany, France & Italy combined in terms of Ground force arms/equipment and air assets. Think on that.

Hence the desperate resort to 'Technicals', armed pickup trucks and simply commercial passenger cars in lieu of IFVs/APCs over the past months. They can do basic maintenance/repairs and cannibalize parts from civil society, for a time, as well as serial smuggling of such into Ukraine.

Essentially there are no more Soviet era Tanks, T-55s-T72s left anywhere the Empire has working relations to ship anymore. IIRC ~45 Slovak/Cheznian 'modernized' T-55's have been rounded up, but are in such derelict condition the Netherlands is essentially rebuilding them at a rate of ~10/mth before on-forwarding.

The 30+ year old Soviet era Air Defence assets has been annihilated and Empire has nothing to supply without stripping it's own standing militaries.

Would estimate UAF operable tanks likely number less than 100(?) throughout the theatre, as they have only been able to support increasingly feeble failing daily direct attacks along the contact line, that in recent (last two months) cases are as small as 1 tank in support, coupla APC's with a 'scratch' infantry force of two composite companies and a bunch of 'technicals' civilian cars.

The coming UAF collapse of its armed forces will be sudden, rapid & catastrophic ...

Just saying ...

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2022 20:33 utc | 279

Wait and see...

The thing with Kherson is: there is now huge pressure form the west for the Nazi regime to "advance" further. That means they have to keep the troops in the South and can´t deploy them to the East (a lot of strongholds there are days away from collapsing which means the whole frontline will burst like an abszess) or to the North. Which is propably what the Russian General Staff wants.

ALAMO wrote:The point is that Russia already has some 600k land forces, and that is only if they made an usual draft&released the reservists. If not, we talk close to 700k men.
It is objectively a huge force, especially if we remember the force multipliers they have.

Re :  EW used on HIMARS, it is nothing unusual folks. They don't jam it, but causing a preemptive detonation of the warheads. The trick is, that it is a very powerful emission, and unfortunately small range. Grad missiles were detonated at a range of some 1000 m, and that is as far as that can work if you ask me. That is why they can't cover this way area or a big strategic objects.

It uses GPS guidnace. Where is the GPS jamming over all Ukraine ?

They have jammers with ranges of some thousands km. Use them and jam their GPS including civilian ones.

Keep men, lose land: land can be taken again. Keep land, lose men: land and men are both lost.
— Mao Zedong, 1939.

https://twitter.com/Nikolai11449196/status/1591373445560176641

limb wrote:

All tg channels I read lile greyzone, vladlen, dontstopwar, represythe viewpoints of actual Russian soldiers. Theyre headed by voenkors who communicate withthe soldiers, and have a much better view of the fromtline than you. The morale of the soldiers matters. Right now the morale is garbage, which leads to large surrenders in svatovo among mobilized.

And no, ill always believe voenkors who sleep in the mud, talk to privates, and risk getting shells, rather than some potbelly dinosaur on the TV screen or some blog made by some boomer on a desk like martyanov.
Also to rub salt in the wound, kike oligarch  Abramovich got 6 billion of frizen assets unlocked  in the west after Russia surrenderred kherson. Abramovich also participated in determining the exchanging of azov prisoners.  Young wageslave Russians I talk to all believe this and dont want to fight. Why fight when you wont be given drones, when a godfather will be exchanged for nazi murderers, when there wont be any liberation, when oligarchs and nepotistic geberals wont be shot?

Wow. You got a source for that info on our good friend (((Roman Abramovic)))?

Volunteers to the Waffen-SS;

Latvians: 80 000
Dutch: 50 000
Belgians: 40 000
Ukrainians: 25 000
French: 20 000
Italians: 15 000
Lithuanians: 11 000
Norwegians: 6 000
The Danish: 6 000
Serbians: 4 000
Estonians: 3 000
Finns: 1 200

Poles: 0

https://twitter.com/StefanTompson/status/1590944415115509760

Hole wrote:The thing with Kherson is: there is now huge pressure form the west for the Nazi regime to "advance" further. That means they have to keep the troops in the South and can´t deploy them to the East (a lot of strongholds there are days away from collapsing which means the whole frontline will burst like an abszess) or to the North. Which is propably what the Russian General Staff wants.

Youve been saying the front is about to burst like an abcess since june.

Hole wrote:The thing with Kherson is: there is now huge pressure form the west for the Nazi regime to "advance" further. That means they have to keep the troops in the South and can´t deploy them to the East (a lot of strongholds there are days away from collapsing which means the whole frontline will burst like an abszess) or to the North. Which is propably what the Russian General Staff wants.

Sounds good but I think this is 4D chess fantasy talk, not based on reality.

sundoesntrise wrote:

limb wrote:

All tg channels I read lile greyzone, vladlen, dontstopwar, represythe viewpoints of actual Russian soldiers. Theyre headed by voenkors who communicate withthe soldiers, and have a much better view of the fromtline than you. The morale of the soldiers matters. Right now the morale is garbage, which leads to large surrenders in svatovo among mobilized.

And no, ill always believe voenkors who sleep in the mud, talk to privates, and risk getting shells, rather than some potbelly dinosaur on the TV screen or some blog made by some boomer on a desk like martyanov.
Also to rub salt in the wound, kike oligarch  Abramovich got 6 billion of frizen assets unlocked  in the west after Russia surrenderred kherson. Abramovich also participated in determining the exchanging of azov prisoners.  Young wageslave Russians I talk to all believe this and dont want to fight. Why fight when you wont be given drones, when a godfather will be exchanged for nazi murderers, when there wont be any liberation, when oligarchs and nepotistic geberals wont be shot?

Wow. You got a source for that info on our good friend (((Roman Abramovic)))?

Check out thegreyzone tg channel

franco wrote:Volunteers to the Waffen-SS;

Latvians: 80 000
Dutch: 50 000
Belgians: 40 000
Ukrainians: 25 000
French: 20 000
Italians: 15 000
Lithuanians: 11 000
Norwegians: 6 000
The Danish: 6 000
Serbians: 4 000
Estonians: 3 000
Finns: 1 200

Poles: 0

https://twitter.com/StefanTompson/status/1590944415115509760

This lying sack of shit put Serbians there, meanwhile Croatians, Bosnians and Albanians were actually in the SS.

Ministry of Transport of the Russian Federation reports.
Today at 14:30 Moscow time, the Crimean bridge is fully operational. Cars, buses and all civilian vehicles can now travel without restriction. Repair and restoration work now completed.

https://twitter.com/NTY57NTY/status/1591412124290629635

NOTE: not sure if this is correct. Understood it would be longer. May only be after another section installed. Will watch for confirmation.

billybatts91 wrote:

franco wrote:Volunteers to the Waffen-SS;

Latvians: 80 000
Dutch: 50 000
Belgians: 40 000
Ukrainians: 25 000
French: 20 000
Italians: 15 000
Lithuanians: 11 000
Norwegians: 6 000
The Danish: 6 000
Serbians: 4 000
Estonians: 3 000
Finns: 1 200

Poles: 0

https://twitter.com/StefanTompson/status/1590944415115509760

This lying sack of shit put Serbians there, meanwhile Croatians, Bosnians and Albanians were actually in the SS.

I was surprised by that also on both accounts. Could Serbs actually mean Croations etc?

Bad signs if these tweets are true...