Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

flamming_python wrote:

limb wrote:Why is it mostly people who cqnt speak Russian and dont communicate with Russians who are celebrating everything the russian MoD does even when they shit the bed, while insulting and threatening everyone who disagrees and actually expresses the sentiment of actual Russians in Russia?

The sentiment of actual Russians in Russia is pretty muted. The operation has not had a big impact on the economy or day to day life, notwithstanding products/services under sanctions, people who left the country and the scares of the start of the war and the start of mobilization.
They're a variety of opinions about the war, the older generation more sees the necessity for it or inevitability of it, while the younger generation is more skeptical about it. No doubt there is also a difference between the big cities and the smaller towns. But even discussions have pettered out a long time ago. There is not much to discuss and people have moved on.
Overall as long as people's lives aren't affected too much - then they won't pay war events too much mind either. Or just vote with their feet and leave the country. Whatever their preference

Please don't mistake assorted right-wing idiots as 'the sentiment of actual Russians in Russia'. Yes there are people who follow the war and rage about every withdrawal and believe in every disparaging post on Slavyangrad, or outright Ukro psyops. Just as there also are people who make themselves more useful and volunteer for work with refugees, donate old things and whatever else. But that's not most people, they are just 2 groups among the population, with those involved in the operation directly forming another group. And most people even if they do update themselves on the war on occasion, don't follow it especially closely

From my point of view, as a person who's really too old for this Hunger Games shit but is nevertheless subject potentially to mobilization - I could care less about either the seige of the tankies in Serbia, the wailing of the nationalist Telegram channels about leaving Kherson that oh most Russian of cities, the loss of credibility of all these pro-Russian Twitter accounts who have the proverbial pie in the face with Surovikin's withdrawal - all these groups are concerned first and foremost about the implications for themselves, and the potential loss of their economy of audience. Nor do I care much about all the people who have hung on their every word. Or the extreme examples of which there are some on this forum, who were so invested in the conflict that they turned to the dark side of doomerism rather than match their desires with their actions, and sign up for service.
Nope, I don't care about any of that.

What I do care about, and I'm certainly not alone in this - is that the consistent Russian claim of prioritizing the lives of military personnel above all other concerns has so far been matched by their actions. And that's very important. There is nothing that would curb one's enthusiasm more than a meatgrinder.
And I don't want any big arrow advances or any sort of grand risks either. I'd much rather the enemy come to Russian lines instead. I'm lazy, I'm not in the shape I once was and if I am told to go to war then I'd rather have the advantage than being snipped off by some artillery that the Ukros have ranged against the road in advance to no-one's knowledge.
Assaulting a city carries with it an expressly high chance of getting a cap popped in your ass. Or setting off some trip-wire grenade in the doorway, or whatever else it may be. It's f'king dangerous. Matter of fact, until Russia introduces into service unmanned BMPTs and flying mini-drones armed with PKMs, Shotguns and RPOs that can just fly into every open window and flush out all the ambushing parties across entire city blocs - I'd rather that Russia avoids such battles entirely.
To me Kherson looked defensible. And there is something peculiar about this whole story. But whatever. I don't have the facts, and if Surovikin says that it's necessary to minimize risks to the troops and that the same job can be performed purely on the left bank of the Dnepr, then cool, so be it.

Everyone knows that we Russians have such a birth trauma when we suddenly remember and realize that we sold Alaska for $7,200,000. Estimate the cost of Kherson:

• Erdogan said that he has developed a trusting relationship with Putin, without which it would not be possible to resume Russia's participation in the “grain deal”, he also positively assessed the withdrawal of Russia from Kherson, and in the next two to three days he is going to contact Putin to talk about what steps Russia is ready to take for peace negotiations

• The first batch of Russian fertilizers blocked in European ports will leave for Malawi next week

• The US is not opposed to India buying Russian oil at a price above the price ceiling, without using the services of Western companies for this

• The London Metal Exchange (LME) has decided not to impose a ban on the supply of metals from Russia, follows from the message of the exchange

• The United States extended the permit for energy-related transactions with the largest banks in Russia and the Central Bank of the Russian Federation until May 15, 2023

• The US Department of the Treasury allowed transactions for the operation of Russian diplomatic and consular missions

• The United States said it was waiting for signals of readiness for serious negotiations on Ukraine from Russia

• Jewish Kremlin oligarch Roman Abramovich, who actively participated in the negotiations on the exchange of Azov prisoners and fed his commanders on his personal plane, and is now involved in preparing a platform for Russia's participation in peace negotiations, received an unblocking of his personal accounts in the amount of more than 6 billion $
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DerWolf wrote:According to New york Times Ukraine doesnt intend to stop but will attack Melitopol

JohninMK wrote:A MoA poster words follow:

Re the MIM-23 Hawk SAM. Never once used in combat by US forces, retired & mothballed over 2 decades ago. The UAF would require extensive training to man them, then acquire competence and effectiveness re operational deployment. The missiles recalled from mothballing will have actually been manufactured between ~30-40 years ago. They are a lethal hazard to the operators without even considering to dare fire one. They will have to be refurbished/re-manufactured before shipment to UAF, which is close to the cost and time to actually manufacture new. My understanding is that is what the Pentagon has commenced by offering contracts to do so.

The latest shipment of donated 155mm artillery shells ~21,000 will in pre Feb24 daily fire rates, be exhausted in ~3 days.

Worn out Hummvees (~100) scavenged from training facilities, workshop repair are supposed to substitute for the now wholesale destruction of the now virtually non-existant IFVs & APCs that the UAF started with Feb24.

Most importantly, the UAF has not been supplied with spare parts and service/technical support for any of this junk 'donated' going back to Mar24. Not even wheel rims or spare tires, let alone tread for tracked vehs. So whenever they break a track, or it's damaged/destroyed by RF fires on '60's era M113s, UK tracked APCs, etc, they are abandoned. When wheeled APC's & Military offroad vehs dating back to the '60's, Saxons, Bushmasters, LandRovers, M117s, etc, get a tire spike, or are shredded by Arty splinters, they have no spare rims, nor tires, and they are abandoned.

UAF have no service support or tech specialists able to perform even the most perfunctory user/operator maintenance.

UAF has lost since 24Feb the entire approximate equivalent of the standing militaries of NATO members Germany, France & Italy combined in terms of Ground force arms/equipment and air assets. Think on that.

Hence the desperate resort to 'Technicals', armed pickup trucks and simply commercial passenger cars in lieu of IFVs/APCs over the past months. They can do basic maintenance/repairs and cannibalize parts from civil society, for a time, as well as serial smuggling of such into Ukraine.

Essentially there are no more Soviet era Tanks, T-55s-T72s left anywhere the Empire has working relations to ship anymore. IIRC ~45 Slovak/Cheznian 'modernized' T-55's have been rounded up, but are in such derelict condition the Netherlands is essentially rebuilding them at a rate of ~10/mth before on-forwarding.

The 30+ year old Soviet era Air Defence assets has been annihilated and Empire has nothing to supply without stripping it's own standing militaries.

Would estimate UAF operable tanks likely number less than 100(?) throughout the theatre, as they have only been able to support increasingly feeble failing daily direct attacks along the contact line, that in recent (last two months) cases are as small as 1 tank in support, coupla APC's with a 'scratch' infantry force of two composite companies and a bunch of 'technicals' civilian cars.

The coming UAF collapse of its armed forces will be sudden, rapid & catastrophic ...

Just saying ...

Posted by: Outraged | Nov 11 2022 20:33 utc | 279

limb wrote:

All tg channels I read lile greyzone, vladlen, dontstopwar, represythe viewpoints of actual Russian soldiers. Theyre headed by voenkors who communicate withthe soldiers, and have a much better view of the fromtline than you. The morale of the soldiers matters. Right now the morale is garbage, which leads to large surrenders in svatovo among mobilized.

And no, ill always believe voenkors who sleep in the mud, talk to privates, and risk getting shells, rather than some potbelly dinosaur on the TV screen or some blog made by some boomer on a desk like martyanov.
Also to rub salt in the wound, kike oligarch  Abramovich got 6 billion of frizen assets unlocked  in the west after Russia surrenderred kherson. Abramovich also participated in determining the exchanging of azov prisoners.  Young wageslave Russians I talk to all believe this and dont want to fight. Why fight when you wont be given drones, when a godfather will be exchanged for nazi murderers, when there wont be any liberation, when oligarchs and nepotistic geberals wont be shot?

Hole wrote:The thing with Kherson is: there is now huge pressure form the west for the Nazi regime to "advance" further. That means they have to keep the troops in the South and can´t deploy them to the East (a lot of strongholds there are days away from collapsing which means the whole frontline will burst like an abszess) or to the North. Which is propably what the Russian General Staff wants.

Hole wrote:The thing with Kherson is: there is now huge pressure form the west for the Nazi regime to "advance" further. That means they have to keep the troops in the South and can´t deploy them to the East (a lot of strongholds there are days away from collapsing which means the whole frontline will burst like an abszess) or to the North. Which is propably what the Russian General Staff wants.

sundoesntrise wrote:

limb wrote:

All tg channels I read lile greyzone, vladlen, dontstopwar, represythe viewpoints of actual Russian soldiers. Theyre headed by voenkors who communicate withthe soldiers, and have a much better view of the fromtline than you. The morale of the soldiers matters. Right now the morale is garbage, which leads to large surrenders in svatovo among mobilized.

And no, ill always believe voenkors who sleep in the mud, talk to privates, and risk getting shells, rather than some potbelly dinosaur on the TV screen or some blog made by some boomer on a desk like martyanov.
Also to rub salt in the wound, kike oligarch  Abramovich got 6 billion of frizen assets unlocked  in the west after Russia surrenderred kherson. Abramovich also participated in determining the exchanging of azov prisoners.  Young wageslave Russians I talk to all believe this and dont want to fight. Why fight when you wont be given drones, when a godfather will be exchanged for nazi murderers, when there wont be any liberation, when oligarchs and nepotistic geberals wont be shot?

Wow. You got a source for that info on our good friend (((Roman Abramovic)))?

franco wrote:Volunteers to the Waffen-SS;

Latvians: 80 000
Dutch: 50 000
Belgians: 40 000
Ukrainians: 25 000
French: 20 000
Italians: 15 000
Lithuanians: 11 000
Norwegians: 6 000
The Danish: 6 000
Serbians: 4 000
Estonians: 3 000
Finns: 1 200

Poles: 0

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