Russian special military operation in Ukraine #32

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1591839587043004417

Dafuq!

The region is becoming wasteland again, as it has historically often been. At the time when Asian hordes of horsemen raged in the area, the entire region was virtually depopulated. How history repeats itself...but good for nature!

Podlodka77 wrote:

Isos, find me a Peugeot, Citroen or Renault of today that can compete with this car..

Dunno my Citroen was built in China

Hole wrote:
That map can´t be right. We all know that "Ukraine" is a 900.000 year old superpower. Where is it? 

Only 900,000 years? I thought mankind descended from monkeys living in Ukraine? Sometimes you can even see them! One is seen more often on TV around the world asking for money and guns ;D haha.

Azi wrote:

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1591839587043004417

Dafuq!

The region is becoming wasteland again, as it has historically often been. At the time when Asian hordes of horsemen raged in the area, the entire region was virtually depopulated. How history repeats itself...but good for nature!

Now Ukrainians are dooming. No one wants to be flooded it seems.

Stealthflanker wrote:

VARGR198 wrote:

https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1591839587043004417

That looks to me like Ukrainian going to fortify the city and make it fire control just like Avdeevka.

Phst wrote:

Last time I was told that water from the dam is in the process of being released, its been at least 4 weeks since then, how long does it take for the entire dam water level to be emptied? Its as if its taking forever, If this is the case then just blow the entire dam and be done with it

They were releasing the water to relieve any potential disaster if Ukrainians make stupid things like blowing the dam.  Which will sink most of Kherson city and Russian forces there.  Now that Russians left the city does it mean it's good to blow the dam ? No.  the flood will also hit the left bank, hard also Crimean canal would run into the risk of being starved of water as it needs water level to be high so it can flow water as far s Dzankhoi.

Here's my question, good combat engineers are at a premium, why don't the Russians just crater Kherson, if they got all the people who want out, out of the city why not make it look like something on the moon? Also, if Russia is on the high ground why not open the dam and give the dirty nazis a bath?

DerWolf wrote:I read somewhere in twitter...

FFS.. what is this place, flypaper for morons?

What next? Ukropi M-1 Abrams sighted on Red Square?

Azi wrote:

The problem is...we don't know the real reasons! For the Fanbois there is a sophisticated 5D master plan behind it for the Dommer the war is already lost. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle...yeah, it's not all happening in the Russian army, but I think they really have a plan.

One can celebrate military successes, but if the costs are too great, one speaks of a Pyrrhic victory. There are many victories and military successes that have proved to be very disadvantageous for countries in retrospect.

It is like driving a car.

From outside it looks like an extremly complex activity, precise movement, all long trip and turn preplaned.

How you know that you will stop at the crossroad, and things like this.

But from internally all that happens is just reaction for enviroment. The difference between good and best driver is just the speed of rection , and skills to see the next step with confidence.

All this military activity is like that .

Big_Gazza wrote:

DerWolf wrote:I read somewhere in twitter...

FFS..  what is this place, flypaper for morons?

What next? Ukropi M-1 Abrams sighted on Red Square?

I haven't seen more doom and gloom on here since well less than an hour ago when I was on the message board for my gridiron football team while they lost a game in the most painful way possible.  As far as the war goes.  there are those who say, the longer the war for Russia goes. . . . The longer the war goes the more Ukes die.  The longer the war goes the more exposed the western economies show.  The longer the war goes, the more western support for the war deteriorates (I have a feeling home heating bills in the US and Europe are going to be a bit on the high side this year).  The longer the war goes, especially if Ukraine has nothing to show for it, the more NATO will question itself.  Also, keep in mind we are already hearing of a microchip shortage, not in Russia but in the United States.  

Then there's the Russia is digging in and not going to attack, the NYT and Pentagram expect a lull in the fighting until spring.  Never mind these are the same people who said Russia was using mobile crematarioums in Feb, was out of missiles in March, was out of tanks in April, was out of guns in May, was out of men in June, was out of women in July, was out of gas in August, was out of money in September, was out of planes and drones in October.  Lemme help you out here.  I'd say almost none of us on here are on active duty in the Russian army, and even if some of you are I really doubt you've seen the battle plans.  Russia can attack when and where it wants.  Why do you think they'd tell you we plan to attack here and here and here? The ground is still firming up.  I think sometime this month there will be an offensive.  However, I will not lose sleep if there is not an attack because again, the Russian MOD knows what its doing even if you and I do not.

50000 ukrainian troops are planning to attack zaporozhie. Does the russian army have enough troops to withstand this? Are there any fortifications there?

Anyone know what he means?

billybatts91 wrote:Anyone know what he means?

No and that is good.

limb wrote:50000 ukrainian troops are planning to attack zaporozhie. Does the russian army have enough troops to withstand this? Are there any fortifications there?

On past experience, yes and yes.

ucmvulcan wrote:

Here's my question, good combat engineers are at a premium, why don't the Russians just crater Kherson, if they got all the people who want out, out of the city why not make it look like something on the moon? Also, if Russia is on the high ground why not open the dam and give the dirty nazis a bath?

What would be the benefit of that? It still costs a lot of money and time to flatten a city. All you do is look bad and no tactical or strategic gain.

mnztr wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:

Here's my question, good combat engineers are at a premium, why don't the Russians just crater Kherson, if they got all the people who want out, out of the city why not make it look like something on the moon? Also, if Russia is on the high ground why not open the dam and give the dirty nazis a bath?

What would be the benefit of that? It still costs a lot of money and time to flatten a city. All you do is look bad and no tactical or strategic gain.

you target their best troops. Engineering troops are not idiots. Take them out and they can't dig in elsewhere

ucmvulcan wrote:

mnztr wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:

Here's my question, good combat engineers are at a premium, why don't the Russians just crater Kherson, if they got all the people who want out, out of the city why not make it look like something on the moon? Also, if Russia is on the high ground why not open the dam and give the dirty nazis a bath?

What would be the benefit of that? It still costs a lot of money and time to flatten a city. All you do is look bad and no tactical or strategic gain.

you target their best troops.  Engineering troops are not idiots.  Take them out and they can't dig in elsewhere

Why would Russia want to harm poor little Ukrainian troops? Apparently that's not the point of this war lol...Retreating and doing nothing is easier ha ha ha.

Isos wrote:How to spread dumb propaganda ? Make a graphic with red and blue colors.

Chinese trading is generally in normal and dumb stuff like cheap clothes or cheap tools.

Your mindset is stuck in western propagandized stereotypes. Nothing is build without chinese products. Doesn't matter if it's a highly overengineered "wonderwaffle" or even a Swiss watch, or some garbage that will break down in 24 hours.

There is a good reason why mid-level (size/income) companies in Europe are focusing on Chinese markets. My company works closely with China and Tencent, which brings almost 1/3rd in revenue to our company. One single company. While the list of companies we work with is over 600.

Isos wrote:
USA still leads in high value products and strategic products like electronics, softwares... for exemple Microsoft or Google with their android have no real competitors. China still lacks companies that can replace them.

By what definition is Microsoft and Google considered a strategic product?

In which of three strategic spheres (economical, political or military) would Microsoft or Google be highly critical to any country?

Nothing critical let alone strategic for military or economy runs on Microsoft. Everything runs on Linux! EVERYTHING!
From the Alieexpress Toaster with a digital menu and WiFi function to super computers or Nuclear Triad Armageddon computers, everything runs on Linux (Debian or Ubuntu). Every country with a sense of security like Russia, China, North Korea, India, Turkey and some others have built their own Linux Distribution with own repositories due to security concerns.
Microsoft has no strategic value in any industry. It only and mostly is used in western companies that either have a good bribed deal (all german schools and official government offices) or are lazy to have a real solution based on security. In Germany you are not even allowed to run Office 365 without making dozens of exceptions or alterations to have some cushions around all the security concerns regarding such office suites and online cloud functionality as Microsoft's products bring.

Google doesn't provide any product whatsoever. In what sense is Google strategic to anyone besides US's NSA agents?

All electronics is made in Asia (Taiwan, Indonesia, China, Malaysia). The West has brought all these companies responsible to abuse cheap asian labour to built stuff cheap to maximize their margin. Do you really believe the Chinese will care about copy rights? With all the politics before the West openly became anti-russian and anti-chinese they already have copied every single product and catched up technolical-wise in many fields. Now, that they are openly hostile and made it clear they will eat Russia and China alive as soon as they get the chance, why would anyone give a flying **** about IP's and copy rights? The West is a dying old world. Every western company in China is filled with chinese people, born, raised and working for life in China. Why would any employee of let's say Apple in China give a flying turd about America? If the time comes China will just nationalize every company and the workers will work under a new brand and logo and absolutely nothing will change.

They have all the blue prints. What they lack are specific critical software and machines. Software that generates circuit designs on the same level they were intended for specific products or product lines. However, the Chinese are brilliant at reverse engineering even blackbox software. Certainly far ahead of what Russia has come up with. Well, they certainly have more resources since years allocated to these kind of sectors. Russia was slacking, the sanctions were the necessary kick.

lsos wrote:
US softpower is way better than chinese still today.

Aye, they certainly are better in softpower projection than anyone else. But nobody else made such big global attempt of propaganda to claim their very owns exceptionalism and inferiority of everyone around them as the US. All westerners are living behind an iron curtain. If you ask the average western person they still have cold war bullshit phrases they will repeat. They are frozen in their heads 30 years ago. For them technologically Russia, China, Iran and many other countries are on the same technological level as North Korea.

The West is already dead, it is just not accepting this fact yet.

The new world is the east with China at the top. Russia could by it's potential to produce and provide products, resources, intelligenzia and innovation shadow that of China, but we would need a population of above 500 mln.

limb wrote:50000 ukrainian troops are planning to attack zaporozhie. Does the russian army have enough troops to withstand this? Are there any fortifications there?

How do you know "50000 Ukrainian troops are planning to attack Zaporizhzhia" ?

ucmvulcan wrote:

mnztr wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:

Here's my question, good combat engineers are at a premium, why don't the Russians just crater Kherson, if they got all the people who want out, out of the city why not make it look like something on the moon? Also, if Russia is on the high ground why not open the dam and give the dirty nazis a bath?

What would be the benefit of that? It still costs a lot of money and time to flatten a city. All you do is look bad and no tactical or strategic gain.

you target their best troops.  Engineering troops are not idiots.  Take them out and they can't dig in elsewhere

How many troops do they have there, I hear not that many, most have been redeployed for the next assault.

billybatts91 wrote:Anyone know what he means?

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1591883754573893633

Knowing Rogozin, definitely he wants Russia to finish what it started.

Stealthflanker wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:Anyone know what he means?

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1591883754573893633

Knowing Rogozin, definitely he wants Russia to finish what it started.

I like his attitude, question is if Putin and those around him have the same views.

Isos wrote:Chinese trading is generally in normal and dumb stuff like cheap clothes or cheap tools.

USA still leads in high value products and strategic products like electronics, softwares... for exemple Microsoft or Google with their android have no real competitors. China still lacks companies that can replace them.

US softpower is way better than chinese still today.

You are stuck in a mindset of 20 years ago. The reality is most clothes or sneakers today are being made in either Bangladesh or Vietnam. Chinese salaries today are too high to make a lot of these cheap products. The Chinese have moved up the value chain.

The Chinese have the world's largest lithium ion battery manufacturers with companies like CATL. They are the world leaders in solar cell and panel manufacture by far with companies like SunPower. They are becoming the world leaders in display panels with companies like BOE. The Chinese are a major producer of consumer electronics with companies like Haier, TCL, Xiaomi, Oppo. Hikvision is major maker of security equipment like security cameras. DJI is the leader in consumer drones.

The Chinese are the world's largest civilian shipbuilders. The world's largest car manufacturer. Chinese car company Geely bought Volvo. Chinese car company SAIC owns the MG brand. Chinese company BYD is a vertically integrated leader in electric vehicles including buses and cars. Lenovo bought IBM's PC division. The Chinese also bought Kuka which was a major industrial robotics manufacturer. You have massive Chinese services companies in e-commerce like Alibaba or JD.com. They have their own clothes companies like Shein. You have massive Chinese companies in entertainment like Tencent who has a major share in Epic Games the company behind the Unreal game engine and the Fortnite FPS game, as well as outright own Riot Games the developer of League of Legends. In movies the Chinese Wanda Group owns Legendary Entertainment. The company who produced the recent Dune movie.

As for chips and software. HiSilicon used to be a top 5 fabless chip company before the US sanctions. And the Chinese still design a lot of chips outside HiSilicon. You have Unisoc for example a fabless company that makes smartphone chips. Alibaba designs their own processors including 5nm server CPUs and AI accelerators with their T-Head division. SMIC is in the top 5 of chip foundries by capacity. And they are one of four companies worldwide who can actually fabricate 7nm chips. The Chinese also design and make their own DRAM, NAND Flash, camera sensors, FPGAs, etc.

billybatts91 wrote:Anyone know what he means?

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1591883754573893633

Doesn't matter what he thinks while the Russian admin is totally cucked.

billybatts91 wrote:

Stealthflanker wrote:

billybatts91 wrote:Anyone know what he means?

https://twitter.com/WarMonitors/status/1591883754573893633

Knowing Rogozin, definitely he wants Russia to finish what it started.

I like his attitude, question is if Putin and those around him have the same views.

Russia hasn't even captured Kharkov, the most Russophile city in non-ethnic Russian Ukraine. They lost Izyum (as well as the most important cultural site in the Donbas, Svyatogorsk) and with it, the ability to capture Kramatorsk and Slavyansk.

Let's focus on realistic goals for now. No more cope-propaganda mindset.

Western lies..
As a reminder, neither the EF-2000 nor the Rafale was designed as a fifth-generation aircraft; the lethal arsenal is not in the closed bomb bay of the centroplane, the AFAR radar was absent, the RCS and the thermal reflection was not at the level of the fifth generation aircraft. Those planes were designed at a time when the Sony Trinitron was the pinnacle of TV technology. Not everything is ideal on the J-20 or the Su-57, probably, but both planes were initially designed with all of the things I mentioned above - that's called a technological breakthrough.
For example, the Su-57 has 5 radars; nose, two side and two in the wings - which is new in the world of fighter planes.
Should I mention that the Su-57 is already designed to have a "loyal wingman" in the form of the S-70 strike drone? A lot has changed since the time the above planes were designed and the next plane I'm going to mention.

The F-35 is the project of the "supercorporation" mentioned by Isos, only he mentioned Microsoft and Google. That plane was designed by Lockheed Martin, an American company for the needs of the US Air Force/US Navy, etc. They got what they got and now the whole West, Japan, Australia and Israel are investing in the X-35 JSF project, which first flew in October 2000. The F-35 is a project of the 1990s, and I highly doubt that it is up to the challenges of the future; the plane has neither enviable flight performance nor enviable range, and I think that is one of the bases for a fighter plane.


And so the USA got into a position where its F-22 heavy fighters, the excessive number of accidents in relation to the number of aircraft produced, did not live up to expectations - except in the propaganda of American media agencies and movies. The older modifications of the F-15 aircraft are worn out and now they are working on the production of the F-15EX.. And while China is stamping the J-20 and will almost certainly release the successor to the J-20 before the US has the successor to the F-22, we have a situation in which the "superior" USA is trying to reach a country that in 1955 had a total budget several hundred times smaller than the US military budget.

Azi wrote:
The region is becoming wasteland again, as it has historically often been. At the time when Asian hordes of horsemen raged in the area, the entire region was virtually depopulated. How history repeats itself...but good for nature!

Their troops are still there tho. They might turn the place into another Avdeevka with heavy fortifications and lots of launch points.