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    Post  limb Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:26 am

    https://t.me/milinfolive/95242
    Let's talk about "fraud".

    This phenomenon, which deeply affected our armed forces (and not only them), in recent months has become an active cause for discussion and condemnation both on our channel and among our colleagues. False reports, reports painted on at every level, meaningless reports and impunity for those who carry out these activities have long been a constant companion of current events.

    For example, we are already accustomed to the fact that Mr. Konashenkov in his briefings destroyed almost more HIMARS installations than were delivered to Ukraine, and Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft have already shot down 4 times more than they had. However, sometimes the desire to cover one's seat from the investigation reaches incredible heights. And now, in an attempt to mediate the situation with the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the location of our soldiers in Makeevka, the Ministry of Defense issued an "operation retaliation", striking at the location of Ukrainian soldiers in Kramatorsk.

    Rocket attacks on the night of January 8 fell on the 28th and 47th schools in Kramatorsk, where enemy soldiers were quartered. As can be seen from the results from the spot, direct hits on the buildings were never achieved - the missiles hit either the ground nearby or neighboring garages, breaking windows and damaging the lining of schools.

    It is not clear to us who and for what reason decided that 600 Ukrainian soldiers died inside at once, if the building was not actually hit (even the light remained on). It is not clear how this was reported and at what level they decided to "rub points", but we have what we have. Instead of the real destruction of the enemy personnel, which would have been a worthy response, a media operation of retaliation was invented.

    If someone wants to inflict retribution for the death of Russian soldiers, then for this, firstly, it is necessary to punish those responsible for their massive location in the missile range, and secondly, to destroy the enemy preemptively and accurately, without timing it with any events .


    In case someone calls this telegram channel "ukrainian trolls", heres video of russian army troops thanking them for sending them thermal monocles, and dji drones
    https://t.me/milinfolive/95249


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:27 am

    In a worst case scenario Bolton could be elected but lets be honest that isn't likely, the guy is the biggest Warhawk there is for sure

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:30 am

    flamingpython wrote:
    A new Ukrainian offensive will be the best gift Russia can hope for

    By no means should Ukrainian command be discouraged from pulling their manpower out of defensive positions and staging them for an advance, and then throwing them against Russian lines.
    That will provide a few weeks of easy street for Russian troops where they don't have to clamber through various Bakhmuts and Soledars building by building

    Flaming, in case you don't know, Konstantinovka, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, and the rest of the agglomeration after Bakhmut, Soledar, and Seversk are fortified the same way

    That's why allowing them to stage will not be a good idea, Russia should go on donbass offensive force Ukros to abandon spring offensive to counter in donbass

    Russian army can entrench in Slavyansk, Kramatorsk and really bleed Ukros there
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:37 am

    What the russians need to do is what they should have done from the start, they needed to create three fronts and apply pressure force ukraine to pick what they must hold, these are three fronts they needed to make at the very start

    1. Attack from Belarus cut off the NATO supply route.

    2. Donbass (like the current one)

    3. Kherson Direction (like they did before but stalled due to lack of manpower)

    You don't need to attack all three constantly, you can leave two in pause and start pushing at another when Ukraine tries to hold that attack somewhere else etc, Ukraine would then be forced to make loosing decisions, as it would not be able to afford to fight on three fronts, one of the reasons Ukraine is holding so well atm is because, they just need to protect one front line.

    Even if the Russians take Soledar and Bakhumut Ukraine has similar defensive lines built up, so its not like if Russia takes those places they will start advancing like the germans in 1939.

    Problem is Russia didn't treat this like a war, still isn't in many ways and didn't mobilize the needed manpower and went in with far too few troops.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:39 am

    To be fair the reasons the russian took so long to counter attack german in ww2 was because the officer core was gutted by Stalin, he also removed the ability of commanders of different units to properly coordinate with his purges, he deleted needed officer ranks and the Germans where fighting like masters of the art, its not that russia was purposefully pulling back they had no choice at those times.

    So it took a very long time for the russians army to get its self together to properly fight

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:40 am

    Published pics of the "retaliation strikes". Not even one direct hit. Some buildings still have light inside. Why publish this BS and lose reputation for nothing? I guess, someone high up got worried for his ass after Makeevka.
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    Post  famschopman Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:42 am

    There will be no massive new offensive as you need a working infrastructure to support the logistic operation and it appears there are a few tiny electric issues that will take more than a few years to solve. If you cannot distribute the western deliveries to the front, well, then that's that.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:49 am

    Ukraine is moving around troops just fine and again it only needs to hold one front, so it its not like its dire for them, they can easily funnel the men and gear in.

    This would be a far bigger problem for them if they had to defend more fronts and had to constantly attempt to move around units but that's not the case

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:49 am

    Former US intelligence officer reported a shortage of military equipment in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, 01.08.2023.

    US intelligence officer Ritter: Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine Zaluzhny lost almost all military equipment and tanks.

    Former US Marine Corps intelligence officer Scott Ritter believes that Ukraine 's requests for the supply of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles indicate a critical shortage of its own military equipment. He stated this in an interview with the Judging Freedom YouTube channel.

    According to Ritter, Ukraine has lost most of its tanks and infantry fighting vehicles in recent months. Because of this, Ukrainian fighters often deliver their soldiers to positions using armored SUVs.

    However, according to the military, in today's realities, such a measure is not viable, so the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian army, Valery Zaluzhny, is trying to obtain new equipment.

    In addition, Ritter noted, with the onset of winter, the Russian side received another advantage, as it has more serious technical equipment.

    On January 6, Deputy Foreign Minister of Ukraine Andriy Melnyk called on the German authorities to transfer to Kiev all types of heavy weapons available to them , including tanks and ballistic missiles. The diplomat also demanded German fighter jets, drones, warships and submarines from Berlin.

    At the end of December, retired US Army Colonel Douglas McGregor said that NATO was gradually drying up the ability to supply weapons to Ukraine, which casts doubt on further Western military assistance to Kiev.

    According to him, the volume of military assistance requested by Zaluzhny exceeds the equipment of any existing army in Europe.

    Western countries have increased military and financial support for Ukraine against the backdrop of a special operation to protect the Donbass , which Moscow announced on February 24. The Russian authorities, in turn, have repeatedly stressed that pumping weapons into Kyiv actually turns NATO into a conflict.

    https://iz.ru/1451671/2023-01-08/byvshii-ofitcer-razvedki-ssha-soobshchil-o-nekhvatke-u-vsu-boevoi-tekhniki

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    Post  limb Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:51 am

    The makeevka debacle keeps on giving, first with that degeneral blaming the victims for dying because they used cellphones and now with these "revenge strikes" PR moves which should be routine strikes, which they cant directly hit a massive building.

    AT least soledar brings good news, but those are wagner, not the russian army.

    Notice how everyone is silent about maryinka. Further proves pushilin was full of crap.

    3. Kherson Direction (like they did before but stalled due to lack of manpower)

    Nope, lengthens the frontline too much, lus the dnepr complicates logistics massively. They should strike at guylaypole and ugledar. That would be a 3 front war. I dnt understand why zaporozhie is so hard to take compared to the donbass, It has no massive mine tunnel networks and concrete bunkers.
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    Post  Regular Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:58 am

    600 dead with no direct hits. While Ukrainians are known to sleep like rats in sewers and take residences in small civilians buildings as Geran-2 made them run for their money months ago. It’s BS story, we know how exactly hit ukrainian barracks looks. Bodies everywhere, buildings - completely destroyed, rescue teams working fay and night to pull out victims, social media posts looking for their family. None of this now and most of pro-russian channels ignore this until proven otherwisez

    Russian mod is reaching Ukro mod levels of lying

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:02 am

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    The Ukrainian brigades have been rotated since Last night into Soledar

    If you look around soledar, they have positioned 4 new tank brigades in the area, to prevent a breakthrough from Soledar, Blagodatnoye, krasna Gora,

    Furthermore they defend near Klisheyevka west of Optynoye to the south of Bakhmut

    And the reason is the defense of Chasov Yar

    Remember the Offensive near Severodonetsk included the taking of adjacent settlements to create a collapse of the entire area

    So just like Lisichansk and Severodonetsk led to the collapse of the whole area

    Losing Klisheyevka, Soledar, Krasna Gora, Blagodatnoye will lead to a general collapse of the frontline in the area and the Ukrainians will have to pullback their brigades to Slavyansk-Kramatorsk-Konstantinovka agglomeration

    They are all in on that line to prevent a breakthrough to M-03 highway

    The ground has started to freeze, the offense should commence precisely to breakthrough these settlements and force a route of Ukrainian army

    At the same time, the positions near Liman, Yampol, Kremennaya would collapse as the entire southern flank would fall

    Here is an opportunity for Russia to regain the initiative and force a final battle for donbass, and not allow Ukros to concentrate Bradley's, Marders, and other equipment in the Melitopol direction
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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:28 am

    Where are the photos of the larger, main building?

    It looks to me like the Ukrainians just filmed/shot the southwestern one, which has secondary damage only.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:31 am

    There are many pics on telegram. Try perusing through them. You would have to geolocate them, obviously.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:34 am

    Why publish this BS and lose reputation for nothing?

    That is a valid question you should ask yourself.
    The light you see inside is not the building lighting but obviously some external source. And how that would be relevant anyway?
    The crater is big enough for 200-300 mm cal. For the records, a 220 mm Uragan rocket was designed to create a crater of 8m in diameter with a HE warhead. So my guess is that the thing was targeted with a Smerch precision rocket or Geran, nothing more serious.
    The building is toasted anyway.
    It is only one of the multiple locations Russkie called.
    And last but not least, "elimination" holds both KIA and WIA.
    If you consider that someone was lucky enough not to be traumatized by the blast wave, glass particles, and other nasty things in a building that has not a single window left ... that would make you an optimist, you know.
    The building is big enough to host a called number.
    Ukrs are notorious for using schools and other educational infrastructure as troops locations - those are solid Soviet-grade municipal infrastructure I was telling you about multiple times. Most of them have solid enforced concrete ceilings. The very same projects were used in Poland for making "1000 years schools". I can take you for a trip in one if you will be in the neighborhood, we will start with the -3rd floor where is shelter located.
    So what does not adds up for you, that by taking out two big troops concentrations, they could KIA/WIA 600 of them?
    But sure I agree with you that calling that a retaliatory strike is not serious. It is just business as usual, and I wouldn't expect this level of bullshit from a MoD briefing. But I guess that they are being pressed by the public opinion either, so maybe overreacted.

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    Post  caveat emptor Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:45 am

    I don't think one building will hold 600 soldiers. Even Ukrainians know better by now. Let's say that other, bigger, building on campus collapsed, which they will not show for obvious reasons. Numbers reported look too high. And Kramatorsk is practically on the front line. I just don't buy it. That's all.
    As usual, if these massive losses really happened, pics and testimonials will surface in the next few days.
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    Post  ALAMO Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:51 am

    You know how it works - a beggar can't me a chooser.
    They don't have much options left.
    And TG is full of materials covering Ukrowehrmacht located at schools in numbers. Fresh ones. So the thing is notorious and there is no point to look for excuses or deny.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Mon Jan 09, 2023 3:57 am

    How is Ukrainian electric grid at the moment?
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    Post  franco Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:00 am

    The Ukrainian brigades have been rotated since Last night into Soledar

    If you look around soledar, they have positioned 4 new tank brigades in the area, to prevent a breakthrough from Soledar, Blagodatnoye, krasna Gora,


    Two have always been in this area, one has dropped down from around Kharkov and the other originally over in Kherson. I doubt if any Ukrainian brigade is over 50% manned now adays.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:24 am

    The Ukrainians are not going to provide photographs of their own casualties and damage done. They did that at the beginning of the war and we saw that Russian long-range missiles were plenty accurate to hit barracks and S-300 systems.

    But the photos we are getting now mean rather nothing

    It can neither be judged what the target of the missiles was, nor where/what they actually hit (even if there is a crater visible, there was more than 1 missile).

    But I really don't believe these inflated claims either. Not that the MoD will be about to explain its method of calculation for our benefit, but as the saying goes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:33 am

    What the russians need to do is what they should have done from the start, they needed to create three fronts and apply pressure force ukraine to pick what they must hold, these are three fronts they needed to make at the very start

    1. Attack from Belarus cut off the NATO supply route.

    2. Donbass (like the current one)

    3. Kherson Direction (like they did before but stalled due to lack of manpower)

    You don't need to attack all three constantly, you can leave two in pause and start pushing at another when Ukraine tries to hold that attack somewhere else etc, Ukraine would then be forced to make loosing decisions, as it would not be able to afford to fight on three fronts, one of the reasons Ukraine is holding so well atm is because, they just need to protect one front line.

    Even if the Russians take Soledar and Bakhumut Ukraine has similar defensive lines built up, so its not like if Russia takes those places they will start advancing like the germans in 1939.

    Problem is Russia didn't treat this like a war, still isn't in many ways and didn't mobilize the needed manpower and went in with far too few troops.

    Russia is treating this more like a firing range or colonial conflict like Syria was. Or is trying to

    Out of sight, out of mind for what concerns the domestic population

    And although it doesn't quite work as well as Russian command would like, still on balance it works out. Russia is getting by using some convicts, some volunteers, some Chechens, etc... while eliminating a huge amount of enemy manpower. Even if the advance is at a snail's pace.. there isn't really a rush anyway.
    The Ukraine can hold on in the Donbass for as long as it has manpower to funnel in. But all that achieves is just creating a massive Verdun-like situation for its men.

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    Post  lancelot Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:51 am

    For example, we are already accustomed to the fact that Mr. Konashenkov in his briefings destroyed almost more HIMARS installations than were delivered to Ukraine, and Ukrainian Su-25 attack aircraft have already shot down 4 times more than they had.
    So it turns out there are still people who continue to confuse Russian MoD proclamations of HIMARS/Uragan rounds destroyed with launchers. As for the Su-25s, is it that hard to believe they got supplied more from other former Soviet countries? The Soviets built over a thousand of these things and when the Soviet Union collapsed most of them were outside of Russia. The factory is in Georgia and we know who they are aligned with. Get a clue.

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    Post  kvs Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:54 am

    Instead of praise for the brilliant approach to this operation we have nitpicking criticism.   Somehow burning out the Ukr army is not
    sexy enough.   Large campaigns with tens of thousands of Russian soldiers dying are need.  Everything must be done in a month.  

    1) Destroying the Ukr army with minimal effort is the best option unless other constraints require more effort and sacrifice.

    2) Slow pacing this war is ideal for f*cking over NATzO.   The clowns thought Russia would crumble like "a rotten facade" in the
    words of Hitler, but it is NATzO that is undergoing economic downsizing.   Why would Russia need to hurry to stop this?  
    It is ideal that the clowns running NATzO are doubling, tripling, n-tupling down with their retarded perception of Russia.
    They rabidly believe that Russia will break.  

    3) NATzO does not need to be shocked into an intervention.   A slow grind is keeping the hyena pack from organizing and
    taking a chance.   It will keep sending junk over to its proxies and this junk will not achieve any of the objectives intended
    for it.  

    The only real criticism would be if Putin's government decides to leave a viable state that is not under the control of Russia.
    It is not clear at the moment if this is going to happen.   Russia needs to recapture all the way to Transnistria and on the
    east bank of the Dnepr River.   If Russia does not regime change the clowns in Kiev, it will be an effective loss since the
    war will continue later with NATzO boosting its puppets even more.  

    I think that with enough grinding down of Kiev regime forces, the Russian army will be able to roll over the south and east
    with vastly less opposition.   So achieving this grinding down is obviously a leading goal.  Meanwhile we will have bitching and
    moaning about how many Ukrs got taken out in a missile strike.

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    Ukrop propaganda trying to pass off one of their lost Mi-24s as if it were Russian but forgot to erase the ukrainian inscription "nebezpechno"on the tail...
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