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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:21 pm

    I agree with you KVS, the one part which could be sped up a bit, is offensive in donbass

    I don't mean a human wave into donbass fortifications

    But a concerted pressure, with overwhelming fire, and breaking through the Seversk-Soledar-Bakhmut line

    To rollback the Ukrainian army to Slavyansk-Kramatorsk-Konstantinovka line

    And grind them at that last line

    Once the donbass is settled, it's like you said, there are no large fortifications they can entrench themselves in,

    Itl be classic ww2 style combat from there on

    Belisarius wrote: Ukrop propaganda trying to pass off one of their lost Mi-24s as if it were Russian but forgot to erase the ukrainian inscription "nebezpechno"on the tail...

    And that's the problem with Oryx

    Half the pictures of T72b3 are bullshit remakes of their own t64 with some sprayed on bullshit and the kontakt ERA which they gave

    Same goes for other jets they posted

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    Post  limb Sun Jan 08, 2023 7:49 pm

    So it turns out there are still people who continue to confuse Russian MoD proclamations of HIMARS/Uragan rounds destroyed with launchers. As for the Su-25s, is it that hard to believe they got supplied more from other former Soviet countries? The Soviets built over a thousand of these things and when the Soviet Union collapsed most of them were outside of Russia. The factory is in Georgia and we know who they are aligned with. Get a clue.

    Nope. Konashenkov's reports are very clear about mentioning himars rockets getting shot down vs himars destroyed.

    In the last 3months, konashenkov reported HIMARS launchers getting struck(пораженная) or destroyed(уничтоженная) far more times than himars were sent in the ukraine. The post doesnt confuse the defnitions. You just dont believe that the Ru MOD's reports are overestimating destroyed launchers.

    As for Su-25s, the claim that georgia still produces them is absolutely ridiculous. This isnt a model airplane that can just be produced at a moment. You of all people should know this. The fact that youre making this ridiculous claim of georgia serially producing Su-25s for ukraine tells me that even you don't believe konashenkov's claims are true.
    ukraine had 70 Su-25s at the start of the war, only 31 operational
    bulgaria had 24 in very poor condition.
    Georgia had 10. Not 20, not 30, ten. So much for it being a Su-25 powerhouse. Also the georgian dream party refused to supply heavy weapons to the ukraine. How do you explain that?
    Czech republic had around a dozen of long retired ones. That makes just around 120 Su-25s available to ukraine, of which most arent flyable. Konasgenkov claimed at least 100 destroyed. There are still Su-25s constantly flying.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:04 pm

    caveat emptor wrote:There are many pics on telegram. Try perusing through them. You would have to geolocate them, obviously.

    As far as I can tell, this is the building the Ukrainians keep showing the most (smallish crater in red)

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    Nothing from the big complex ("college")

    Then they show another smallish one, by some warehouses/garages, not close to that anyway. Could as well be stray AD.

    Anyway, in time we'll probably get more info. Whether it's all some BS or whether it's part of Ukraine's strategy. "Look, this is all they managed to do, all is well, and they suck".

    The suspicious circus concerning the ice arena was like this too.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:24 pm

    The critical event for Russia was to find a location that, for whatever reason military or political, come Hell or high water the Ukrainians wanted to defend to the last man.

    This location turned out, as we all now know, to be Bakhmut/Soledar.

    The rest, as they say, is. or will be. history.

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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:26 pm

    Twitter:
    The father of Denis Dudnikov, deputy commander of the 1st battalion of the Azov Regiment (banned in Russia), who died in Mariupol, said that the situation on the second line of defense in the Bakhmut area is the most difficult, which is aggravated by the flight of battalion commanders and brigade commanders by registering themselves as sick.


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    Wagner is in that village, according to some dudes

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:28 pm

    Really don't know how to comment on this

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    Post  lancelot Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:35 pm

    As for Su-25s, the claim that georgia still produces them is absolutely ridiculous. This isnt a model airplane that can just be produced at a moment. You of all people should know this. The fact that youre making this ridiculous claim of georgia serially producing Su-25s for ukraine tells me that even you don't believe konashenkov's claims are true.
    Now you are the one putting words on my mouth. I did not claim Georgia was making new aircraft for them from whole cloth. But they certainly have the facilities to produce a lot of parts if they want to since they still have the factory.

    ukraine had 70 Su-25s at the start of the war, only 31 operational
    bulgaria had 24 in very poor condition.
    Georgia had 10. Not 20, not 30, ten. So much for it being a Su-25 powerhouse. Also the georgian dream party refused to supply heavy weapons to the ukraine. How do you explain that?
    Czech republic had around a dozen of long retired ones. That makes just around 120 Su-25s available to ukraine, of which most arent flyable. Konasgenkov claimed at least 100 destroyed. There are still Su-25s constantly flying.

    https://mezha.media/en/2022/05/26/it-seems-that-ukraine-received-su-25-aircraft-in-a-very-unusual-way/

    "It seems that Ukraine received Su-25 front-line attack aircraft under the guise of “spare parts”. In fact, the planes could come from Bulgaria and Georgia.

    ... on April 19, 2022, ... Pentagon Speaker John Kirby stated that Ukraine received “spare parts” that helped dramatically increase the number of combat aircraft in service.

    On April 21, 2022 CNN citing its own sources wrote that “spare parts” helped Ukraine increase the number of fighter jets by 20 units.

    And now, on May 24, 2022, Foreign Policy writes that “A team in the field in Eastern Europe connected to European Command has helped disassemble Soviet-era Su-25 “Frogfoot” aircraft and Mi-17 helicopters so they can be shipped to Ukraine.”
    ...
    Next, Defense Express reflects on where these Su-25s could have come from and how many attack aircraft could have arrived in Ukraine. According to an analysis of open sources and The Military Balance for 2021, it can be seen that last year 5 Bulgarian and at least 3 Georgian Su-25s disappeared. Another 6 attack aircraft are reportedly in storage in Georgia. From these data, Defense Express journalists conclude that Ukraine could have received from the Allies from 8 to 14 Su-25, which were delivered as “spare parts”.
    ...
    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited 92 Su-25 attack aircraft. At the beginning of the invasion in February 2022, only 17 aircraft of this type remained on the wing."

    PS:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sukhoi_Su-25_operators

    "Bulgarian Air Force. ... Eight of them were modernized in Belarus, and it is expected that all of them will be modernized at some point. In mid-2022 reports began appearing that some of Bulgaria's Sukhoi Su-25s had been purchased by other states that acted as intermediaries, and delivered to the Ukrainian Air Force. In a June 9, 2022, Facebook post, three aircraft were shown in Bulgarian markings, side numbers 002, 240, and 095."

    "Following the downfall of the Soviet Union, the newly independent Republic of Turkmenistan was given 46 Su-25s which had been disassembled for storage in Turkmenistan at that time. In accordance with an agreement between Georgia and Turkmenistan in 1999, the Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing corporation refurbished 45 of these aircraft for use by the Turkmenistan Air Force as payment for the delivery of natural gas."

    "Uzbekistan ... 20 aircraft were operational as of 2021."

    "After the dissolution of Czechoslovakia, the Czech Republic inherited twenty-four Su-25Ks and one Su-25UBK."

    "The Republic of Macedonia purchased three single-seat Su-25s and one Su-25UB following incursions and attacks by Albanian insurgents. The aircraft were supplied by Ukraine after having been withdrawn from Ukrainian Air Force service. The aircraft were retired in 2004."


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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:36 pm

    Really don't know how to comment on this
    I met a lot of american soldiers back in the 90´s. This is exactly the level of their expertise.  lol1 lol1 lol1

    1) Destroying the Ukr army with minimal effort is the best option unless other constraints require more effort and sacrifice.
    We had the "ukrainian" Rommel confessing that only a third of his force is combat-capable.
    Now the spokesperson of the military stated that 90% of the force is made up of mobilised = unprofessional men.
    The truth will be somewhere inbetween these numbers.

    The meat grinder will continue until Bakhmut is liberated. Then the russian General Staff will analyse the situation
    and decide when to unleash the big offensive. Or a number of smaller offensives from different directions. But not
    simultaniously. The Nazi regime in Kiev will react to any incursion and move troops from the South to the North, 
    from the East to the West and then back again, burning fuel and unmasking their soldiers, making them vulnerable 
    to more long-range strikes and aerial bombardement.

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    Post  franco Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:52 pm

    The Defense Ministry announced the return of 50 Russian soldiers from Ukrainian captivity


    Fifty Russian servicemen were returned on January 8 from the territory controlled by the Kiev regime as a result of the negotiation process. In captivity, they were in mortal danger, the Russian Defense Ministry told reporters on Sunday.

    The released servicemen will be delivered to Moscow by the Russian Aerospace Forces ' military transport aircraft for treatment and rehabilitation in the department's medical institutions.

    All those released are provided with the necessary medical and psychological assistance.

    On December 31, as a result of negotiations with the territory controlled by Kiev, 82 Russian servicemen were returned, who were also in mortal danger in captivity. In the evening of the same day, a special flight with the liberated military landed at the Chkalovsky airfield near Moscow.

    One of the returned Russian soldiers, Andrey Zavgorodny, told Izvestia that his parents were waiting for him at home. He also admitted that he experienced an indescribable feeling of happiness.

    Prior to that, on December 6, during negotiations, 60 Russian fighters were removed from the territories controlled by Ukraine.

    Russia's special operation to protect the Donbass region, whose residents refused to recognize the results of the 2014 coup d'etat in Ukraine, continues. The decision to hold it was made against the background of the aggravated situation in the region due to the frequent shelling of Ukrainian troops.

    https://translated.turbopages.org/proxy_u/ru-en.en.9d453ea8-63bb1d75-d361c678-74722d776562/https/iz.ru/1451620/2023-01-08/minoborony-soobshchilo-o-vozvrashchenii-iz-ukrainskogo-plena-50-rossiiskikh-boitcov

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    Post  franco Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:06 pm

    https://topwar-ru.translate.goog/208289-germanija-postavit-ukraine-partiju-bmp-marder-prednaznachennuju-dlja-grecheskoj-armii.html?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en

    Germany will supply Ukraine with a batch of BMP Marder, intended for the Greek army

    Ukraine will receive German Marder infantry fighting vehicles around the end of March, Germany is speeding up the delivery of armored vehicles by transferring infantry fighting vehicles to Kyiv from a batch intended for another state. The German press writes about it.

    Berlin intends to significantly speed up the transfer of 40 Marder infantry fighting vehicles to Kyiv. Why exactly this number, and not, for example, fifty or sixty? Everything is very simple, the Germans give Zelensky a batch of armored vehicles intended for the Greeks. Earlier, Athens handed over to Kyiv 40 BMP-1s from the presence of the Greek army, for which they were supposed to receive 40 Marder combat vehicles from Berlin. But the Germans persuaded the Greeks to wait and donate the armored vehicles to the Ukrainians, explaining that it was "more necessary" that way.

    The defense of Greece will not be affected if the delivery of infantry fighting vehicles is delayed - said a high-ranking Greek military.

    Ukraine has been begging the Germans for the Marder BMP for a long time, the German concern Rheinmetall even restored a certain number of armored vehicles, but the government imposed a ban on deliveries. And the decision to transfer the BMP to Germany was pushed by the United States, or rather, Biden called Scholz and put pressure on him, after which the corresponding decision was made.

    But with tanks Leopard 2, the Germans rested, the refusal to transfer tanks to Ukraine was confirmed in the ruling Social Democratic Party of Germany. At least alone. But the Germans agree to cooperate with the Americans or the French and equip the Armed Forces of Ukraine with heavy armored vehicles. However, Kyiv does not lose heart. As the adviser to the head of Zelensky's office, Podoliak, said on this occasion, since the Germans began to supply Patriot air defense and Marder infantry fighting vehicles, the supply of Leopard tanks is just around the corner.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:10 pm

    Now you are the one putting words on my mouth. I did not claim Georgia was making new aircraft for them from whole cloth. But they certainly have the facilities to produce a lot of parts if they want to since they still have the factory.

    But you do realize, that the moronic herd of theirs just figuring out shitty stories, to fight those after? Laughing
    Where is the "150" number of Su-25 even came from ?!?
    Seriously?
    Russkie number of all the aircraft claimed calling mother Earth is at some 360? Correct me if I am wrong?
    That includes all the types the 404 had, and 25s were not the most numerous, you know?

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:24 pm

    One curious thing regarding the air war that I remember from very early on was L-39 Albatros trainers being used for some desperate things.

    One crashed in Sumy or Chernigov, one of the northern cities anyway.

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    Post  Belisarius Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:38 pm


    In the last 3months, konashenkov reported HIMARS launchers getting struck(пораженная) or destroyed(уничтоженная) far more times than himars were sent in the ukraine. The post doesnt confuse the defnitions. You just dont believe that the Ru MOD's reports are overestimating destroyed launchers


    Your problem is thinking that none of us would go to the Russian Mod telegram and check what they actually say, in the last 3 months the Russian Mod claims the destruction of 22 Himars launchers, 2 only hit and 1 only engaged. Ukraine has 38 launchers...

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:40 pm

    Back in 1994, one Russkie strike on the Grozny airport took down some 30 planes.
    People really forget, that Soviet Union left thousands of airplanes at all its perimeter.
    The base that was struck lately with MiG-29s, holds some non flyable pieces, yet there was some 15 of those. Never reported, never calculated. Just a post-Soviet junk left ...
    Well ... nobody said that those can't fly.
    If someone is desperate enough. If the safety instructions will be compromised so much.
    In theory, Ukrs had some 1000+ planes left in a storage.
    Sure a part of it was Mig-23s and 27s, yet there was a really big number of 24s, 25s, 27s, 29s... We have not seen a single Albatros&Delphins  till now - but they surely had those.

    Your problem is thinking that none of us would go to the Russian Mod telegram and check what they actually say, in the last 3 months the Russian Mod claims the destruction of 22 Himars launchers, 2 only hit and 1 only engaged. Ukraine has 38 launchers...

    Yeah, and I was reporting that multiple times.
    Some of the posters here just make a bet that most of us don't speak Russian. And lie. Lie, while citing the Russian sources. Putting things that don't call the claim.

    Edit ... anyway Laughing

    This is how the Ukro propaganda is doing - aside of painting "z"s on own choppers while forgetting to blure the Ukrainian markings Laughing Laughing

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    Watch the whole if you can.

    https://t.me/DonbassDevushka/40397

    First of all, the guy is not a sniper of any kind ... He just holds&clears the perimeter holding his RPK Laughing
    Just an ordinary soldier, using a thermal imager and secure position to take out incoming Ukr reinforcements ...
    But they made an "elite sniper" out of him, starting that he is not pro having RPK, and the 200 distance is nothing in a sniper warfare Laughing Laughing Laughing
    Holly shit, this propaganda is getting lower and lower each day.

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    Post  limb Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:08 pm

    https://mezha.media/en/2022/05/26/it-seems-that-ukraine-received-su-25-aircraft-in-a-very-unusual-way/

    "It seems that Ukraine received Su-25 front-line attack aircraft under the guise of “spare parts”. In fact, the planes could come from Bulgaria and Georgia.

    ... on April 19, 2022, ... Pentagon Speaker John Kirby stated that Ukraine received “spare parts” that helped dramatically increase the number of combat aircraft in service.

    On April 21, 2022 CNN citing its own sources wrote that “spare parts” helped Ukraine increase the number of fighter jets by 20 units.

    And now, on May 24, 2022, Foreign Policy writes that “A team in the field in Eastern Europe connected to European Command has helped disassemble Soviet-era Su-25 “Frogfoot” aircraft and Mi-17 helicopters so they can be shipped to Ukraine.”
    ...
    Next, Defense Express reflects on where these Su-25s could have come from and how many attack aircraft could have arrived in Ukraine. According to an analysis of open sources and The Military Balance for 2021, it can be seen that last year 5 Bulgarian and at least 3 Georgian Su-25s disappeared. Another 6 attack aircraft are reportedly in storage in Georgia. From these data, Defense Express journalists conclude that Ukraine could have received from the Allies from 8 to 14 Su-25, which were delivered as “spare parts”.
    ...
    After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited 92 Su-25 attack aircraft. At the beginning of the invasion in February 2022, only 17 aircraft of this type remained on the wing."

    PS:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sukhoi_Su-25_operators

    "Bulgarian Air Force. ... Eight of them were modernized in Belarus, and it is expected that all of them will be modernized at some point. In mid-2022 reports began appearing that some of Bulgaria's Sukhoi Su-25s had been purchased by other states that acted as intermediaries, and delivered to the Ukrainian Air Force. In a June 9, 2022, Facebook post, three aircraft were shown in Bulgarian markings, side numbers 002, 240, and 095."

    "Following the downfall of the Soviet Union, the newly independent Republic of Turkmenistan was given 46 Su-25s which had been disassembled for storage in Turkmenistan at that time. In accordance with an agreement between Georgia and Turkmenistan in 1999, the Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing corporation refurbished 45 of these aircraft for use by the Turkmenistan Air Force as payment for the delivery of natural gas."

    "Uzbekistan ... 20 aircraft were operational as of 2021."

    "After the dissolution of Czechoslovakia, the Czech Republic inherited twenty-four Su-25Ks and one Su-25UBK."

    "The Republic of Macedonia purchased three single-seat Su-25s and one Su-25UB following incursions and attacks by Albanian insurgents. The aircraft were supplied by Ukraine after having been withdrawn from Ukrainian Air Force service. The aircraft were retired in 2004."


    Wow I missed 4 macedonian aircraft. Big deal. Why are you mentioning uzbek aircraft when they havent sent any aircraft to ukraine?

    For those doubting 150 claimed destroyed Su-25s by MoD, why has the MoD reported every 2nd day of 1-3 Su-25s shot down, despite, ukraine having less than 150, despite a major part of the ukrainian airforce getting destroyed on the airfields on the first day of the war.?



    Now you are the one putting words on my mouth. I did not claim Georgia was making new aircraft for them from whole cloth. But they certainly have the facilities to produce a lot of parts if they want to since they still have the factory.

    Does georgia produce the engines? The laser targeting system? The CCRP? The RWR, or just the fuselage. Just because it has a factory doesnt mean crap since the supply network has been destroyed.


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    Post  limb Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:09 pm

    Does anyone remember when types like mercouris and the saker were claiming that mariupol and then azovstal had french special forces and several NATO high ranking officers surrounded? What happened to them?
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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:10 pm

    That includes all the types the 404 had, and 25s were not the most numerous, you know?
    In the first weeks mostly Su-27s, Su-24s and MiG-29s were shot down.

    This is how the Ukro propaganda is doing
    That Tendar dude got it really hard from some folks on Twitter.
    Then he claimed that he is a world class sniper and would hunt down his critics.  lol1 lol1 lol1
    Most likely he is looking like this:
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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:17 pm

    In the first weeks mostly Su-27s, Su-24s and MiG-29s were shot down.

    Perfectly logic - they used to be ably carrying a regular air operation ... for a moment ...

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    Post  Hole Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:21 pm

    Moscow's statements about "Christmas truce" turned out to be a lie - Zelensky
    Rolling Eyes
    F...ing dumbass. He is in a bad mood because of the troubles in Mexico.  Wink

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:34 pm

    IF HAARP is in action?

    From MoA

    THE BATTLE OF WINDS: NATO vs. EURASIA

    A major geopolitical battle is being fought in the skies over the EU between North Atlantic and Eurasian weather systems. The outcome of this battle may determine the fate of the world for decades.

    If North Atlantic (L on the map) prevails, Europe will get mild weather and heavy winds. There will be an abundance of wind power. Electricity prices in Germany will be negative. If the Eurasian high pressure systems (H) prevail, Europe will freeze. Clear skies bring no wind. Electricity prices may reach 4000 €/MWh. There will be rolling blackouts throughout Europe. Natural gas will be needed for heating and the storages may run out before spring. Eurasian high pressure dominated most of December. The new year has seen Atlantic winds advancing.

    NATO and the EU have placed all their bets on the North Atlantic low pressure systems prevailing. If North Atlantic wins, Europe and its war effort are saved. If Eurasia wins, Europe will have to beg Putin for more gas.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:38 pm

    Hole

    I went to a ZZTop concert in London in the 80s. Just before it started and the lights were up, a group of 5 members of the audience came in in full ZZ regalia. The place erupted.

    Good times. Great music.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:47 pm

    Word "on the street" has it that the ground is now suitably solid and the actual Russian armed forces (VDV) have joined and are going on a rapid offensive north of Soledar.

    Guess we'll know in a few days what's up.

    Wagner has pretty much carried this on their own for months, in that particular area anyway, with the VSU throwing everything they can spare on hindering them.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Jan 08, 2023 10:58 pm

    To put that ti the perspective ...
    A Russkie PMC was not only holding aground against the regular Ukrowehrmacht, but beat their arses hard and retook multiple strategic points ...
    Unfukinbelievable.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:47 pm

    Sometimes the stupidity of Ukrainians takes your breath away.

    Party time in Paris for one who clearly has her nose, or another part of her anatomy in the flood of $ along with her 'boss', the proud possessor of an extra passport, you know, just in case he needs to depart with his $.

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    The Southern Regional Directorate of the State Border Service of Ukraine got into trouble because of the press secretary.

    The 'lady' during the war drove to resorts and met 2023 in Paris. Ivanna Plantovskaya was accused on the network of "bragging about luxurious shots from vacation during the war," after which the girl restricted access to her pages.

    As it turned out, this is a subordinate of Major General Mula, who, even before the start of the war, had a passport of a Colombian citizen.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:17 am

    Sunday smile time. Ukraine's estimates of Russian missile stocks.

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