Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35

Belisarius wrote: Ukrop propaganda trying to pass off one of their lost Mi-24s as if it were Russian but forgot to erase the ukrainian inscription "nebezpechno"on the tail...

So it turns out there are still people who continue to confuse Russian MoD proclamations of HIMARS/Uragan rounds destroyed with launchers. As for the Su-25s, is it that hard to believe they got supplied more from other former Soviet countries? The Soviets built over a thousand of these things and when the Soviet Union collapsed most of them were outside of Russia. The factory is in Georgia and we know who they are aligned with. Get a clue.

caveat emptor wrote:There are many pics on telegram. Try perusing through them. You would have to geolocate them, obviously.

As for Su-25s, the claim that georgia still produces them is absolutely ridiculous. This isnt a model airplane that can just be produced at a moment. You of all people should know this. The fact that youre making this ridiculous claim of georgia serially producing Su-25s for ukraine tells me that even you don't believe konashenkov's claims are true.

ukraine had 70 Su-25s at the start of the war, only 31 operational
bulgaria had 24 in very poor condition.
Georgia had 10. Not 20, not 30, ten. So much for it being a Su-25 powerhouse. Also the georgian dream party refused to supply heavy weapons to the ukraine. How do you explain that?
Czech republic had around a dozen of long retired ones. That makes just around 120 Su-25s available to ukraine, of which most arent flyable. Konasgenkov claimed at least 100 destroyed. There are still Su-25s constantly flying.

Really don't know how to comment on this

1) Destroying the Ukr army with minimal effort is the best option unless other constraints require more effort and sacrifice.

In the last 3months, konashenkov reported HIMARS launchers getting struck(пораженная) or destroyed(уничтоженная) far more times than himars were sent in the ukraine. The post doesnt confuse the defnitions. You just dont believe that the Ru MOD's reports are overestimating destroyed launchers

https://mezha.media/en/2022/05/26/it-seems-that-ukraine-received-su-25-aircraft-in-a-very-unusual-way/

"It seems that Ukraine received Su-25 front-line attack aircraft under the guise of “spare parts”. In fact, the planes could come from Bulgaria and Georgia.

... on April 19, 2022, ... Pentagon Speaker John Kirby stated that Ukraine received “spare parts” that helped dramatically increase the number of combat aircraft in service.

On April 21, 2022 CNN citing its own sources wrote that “spare parts” helped Ukraine increase the number of fighter jets by 20 units.

And now, on May 24, 2022, Foreign Policy writes that “A team in the field in Eastern Europe connected to European Command has helped disassemble Soviet-era Su-25 “Frogfoot” aircraft and Mi-17 helicopters so they can be shipped to Ukraine.”
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Next, Defense Express reflects on where these Su-25s could have come from and how many attack aircraft could have arrived in Ukraine. According to an analysis of open sources and The Military Balance for 2021, it can be seen that last year 5 Bulgarian and at least 3 Georgian Su-25s disappeared. Another 6 attack aircraft are reportedly in storage in Georgia. From these data, Defense Express journalists conclude that Ukraine could have received from the Allies from 8 to 14 Su-25, which were delivered as “spare parts”.
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After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited 92 Su-25 attack aircraft. At the beginning of the invasion in February 2022, only 17 aircraft of this type remained on the wing."

PS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sukhoi_Su-25_operators

"Bulgarian Air Force. ... Eight of them were modernized in Belarus, and it is expected that all of them will be modernized at some point. In mid-2022 reports began appearing that some of Bulgaria's Sukhoi Su-25s had been purchased by other states that acted as intermediaries, and delivered to the Ukrainian Air Force. In a June 9, 2022, Facebook post, three aircraft were shown in Bulgarian markings, side numbers 002, 240, and 095."

"Following the downfall of the Soviet Union, the newly independent Republic of Turkmenistan was given 46 Su-25s which had been disassembled for storage in Turkmenistan at that time. In accordance with an agreement between Georgia and Turkmenistan in 1999, the Tbilisi Aircraft Manufacturing corporation refurbished 45 of these aircraft for use by the Turkmenistan Air Force as payment for the delivery of natural gas."

"Uzbekistan ... 20 aircraft were operational as of 2021."

"After the dissolution of Czechoslovakia, the Czech Republic inherited twenty-four Su-25Ks and one Su-25UBK."

"The Republic of Macedonia purchased three single-seat Su-25s and one Su-25UB following incursions and attacks by Albanian insurgents. The aircraft were supplied by Ukraine after having been withdrawn from Ukrainian Air Force service. The aircraft were retired in 2004."

Now you are the one putting words on my mouth. I did not claim Georgia was making new aircraft for them from whole cloth. But they certainly have the facilities to produce a lot of parts if they want to since they still have the factory.

That includes all the types the 404 had, and 25s were not the most numerous, you know?

This is how the Ukro propaganda is doing