Russian special military operation in Ukraine #35

Ukraine never had 38 Himars launchers, that alone is a lie

I tend to be such an asshole sometimes finding this shit funny when it shouldn't be. Sorry guys that I am diagnosed with horrible humor

Forget ambulances, the Ukronazi draft boards shoulf show up in hearses and meat trucks

I searched for "Su-25" on the Russian Mod's telegram channel (English version) and found 179 posts mentioning the Su-25 since the start of the conflict, claiming the downing of 117, not 150, Ukrainian Su-25s.
Ukraine inherited 80-90 Su-25s from the USSR, Bulgaria bought 40 in the late 80s, Czechs had 24, Macedonia 4, Georgia had 5...
So no, Russia has never claimed to have shot down 150 Su-25s or more Su-25s than Ukraine/Nato has.

Ukraine never had 38 Himars launchers, that alone is a lie

"...the total number of HIMARS the United States has provided to Ukraine to 16."
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-send-four-more-himars-ukraine-pentagon-chief-2022-07-20/

"Defense Minister Reznikov: Another 4 MLRS HIMARS - in Ukraine"
https://amp.dw.com/ru/v-ukraine-nazvali-cusu-obvinenia-fsb-vo-vzryve-krymskogo-mosta/a-63409289

"The U.S. will provide an additional $1.1 billion in aid to Ukraine, with funding for 18 more advanced rocket systems..."
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-09-28/us-poised-to-provide-1-1-billion-more-in-aid-to-ukraine

The last 18 you speak of haven't been delivered yet and our in production

Each of these squares means brigades and Zelensky states he will send more, and some twitter reports state that 400k Russian troops are still outside or close to the border of Ukraine.....This is in fact very impressive that I will crack a bottle of champagne even if the war is not over when Bakhmut gets fully captured.

kvs wrote:Instead of praise for the brilliant approach to this operation we have nitpicking criticism. Somehow burning out the Ukr army is not
sexy enough. Large campaigns with tens of thousands of Russian soldiers dying are need. Everything must be done in a month.

In Saker's wise words:

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Trying to force your enemy into a premature attack makes perfect military sense (as would any effort to seize the initiative and impose your tempo on your enemy).

These efforts are greatly aided by the following categories:

Civilians who don’t understand warfare
Infantiles who get outraged every time NATO successfully strikes Russian targets
Western (fake) “friends of Russia” who mantrically repeat that “Putin is weak/indicisive/naive/fill_the_blank“
Western PSYOPS who want to spread FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubts) in the Russian general public

These four groups form a rather loud crowd who act EXACTLY as the AngloZionist want them to.

http://thesaker.is/making-sense-of-nato-strikes-against-russia/

I would just ask the clowns bleating endlessly in this board about the inevitable defeat of Russia, in which category do they classify themselves

The last 18 you speak of haven't been delivered yet and our in production

In theory yes, but in practice I highly doubt that the country that spent the last 10 months sending as many weapons as it can will wait years to deliver a new batch of launchers, but let there be 20 then, and the other 16 M270s? They are HIMARS with tracks and 12 rockets ready to fire, the Russian Mod never made a distinction between HIMARS, M270, MARS II or whatever.
The only time the Russians claimed to have destroyed more than Ukraine had was with Bayraktar, not only did they do that but there are also images proving a greater number of destroyed Bayraktar than Ukraine supposedly should have, which shows that equipment received by Ukraine is not limited to what is publicly announced.

"made a distinction between HIMARS, M270, MARS II or whatever."

Except they have...in every single of their little updates posts "We have intercepted HIMARS missiles" or "We have Destroyed HIMARS Launchers"...so that's a flat out lie...that is literally proven wrong by the Russian MOD.

And you can doubt all you want, by that respect where are the Bradleys n Ukraine, where are the Marauders etc.

We aren't talking about what Ukraine is saying, Russia made the claim they destroyed well over 25 HIMARS by their official posts, So what Ukraine said about those drones means jack shit. Very poor deflection attempt

You're just making stuff up at this point, the last 18 aren't there yet period.

Johninmk wrote:Really don't know how to comment on this

What's there to comment? Another bullshit 7 year old video rebranded to look the same and ridicule out of an enemy, nothing to do with US training or Ukraine.

Originally posted by this youtube idiot



Although, Ukraine has received plenty of IBA, but their usage is not popular as Ukraine has better systems, domestic and IOTV alike.

Testing of body armour on live people (sometimes with painful outcomes, like when Motorola shooting his APS managed to pierce donated vest) is idiocy seen on both sides

Ukrainians

Separatists

Except they have...in every single of their little updates posts "We have intercepted HIMARS missiles" or "We have Destroyed HIMARS Launchers"...so that's a flat out lie...that is literally proven wrong by the Russian MOD.

But there is no "HIMARS missile", what exists are the M26, M26A1, M26A2, M28, M28A1, M28A2, M30, M30A1, M30A2, M31, M31A1, M31A2...
And guess who also launches all those rockets? The M270!
They are intercepting rockets launched by both the HIMARS and the M270, but only the HIMARS launcher is being destroyed?
Would the M270 have more survivability than the HIMARS?
If it's to make propaganda and claim the destruction of something they didn't achieve, then what is the Russian Mod waiting for to claim the specific destruction of the M270 that has already been operating for months in Ukraine?
The answer to all these questions is simple, the Russian Mod makes no distinction between the type of projectile launched or the launcher used and generically assigns the name "HIMARS" to all of them.

We aren't talking about what Ukraine is saying, Russia made the claim they destroyed well over 25 HIMARS by their official posts,

And 25 is a smaller number than the number of HIMARS/M270 launchers, which Russian Mod doesn't make a point of distinguishing, especially if we take into account that there is no reason to believe that the equipment received is limited to what is publicly announced.

So what Ukraine said about those drones means jack shit.Very poor deflection attempt

You're just making stuff up at this point, the last 18 aren't there yet period.

And what did Ukraine say about these drones?
I'm curious, when I mentioned drones in my previous comment, I didn't mention anything that Ukraine would have said about them.
Deflection? Making stuff up?
You're the one who had a very poor attempt at deflection when you mentioned Bradleys and "Marauders", which didn't help prove any of your points.
The fact that there is evidence of more Bayraktar destroyed than Ukraine had, proves that the equipment received by Ukraine is not limited to what is announced, another example is the HARM missile that appeared in the conflict before any public announcement.
That said, the idea that the amount of Western weapons operated by Ukraine is limited by what is advertised is questionable.

Why not preclude that, by overrunning Ukraine where it is now, vulnerable and low on weapons and equipment ?

Striking with an offensive right now would be difficult with the enemy in positions they have held for some time... it would take a lot of fire power to dislodge them with a surge... better to let them build up their numbers and equipment and slaughter them as they move forward.

Before the Russian forces were very undermanned which means when you push with lots of numbers the undermanned enemy can't shoot down all those facing them and have to retreat while firing at those they can hit easily.

Currently their positions have been reinforced and one assumes lots of extra gear and men are ready to deal with any attempted push... which will require the Orcs to concentrate large forces and coordinate their attacks and actions... so jamming their comms and then slamming them with heavy artillery and air power and ground based defenders should smash their forces and perhaps even cause a collapse.

Maybe they can be hit so hard, that a spring offensive won't even be possible for Kiev

But now they are ready they probably want Kiev to go on an offensive, because that would require them to leave their fortified positions and move out into the open where their artillery and air power can terminate them and hunt down Orc artillery and any air power that pops its nose up out of the trees...

Hit them where it really hurts, go after the troop concentrations , logistics, and manpower

And just go hunting for Ukrainians, forcing combat until they're in a full-blown retreat across the Dnieper

Russia can just continue what it is doing, slowly creeping forward taking small areas slowly while watching for artillery and supplies and HQs and ammo dumps and fuel dumps and anything the orcs are using as a resource for their military and hit it and keep on hitting it making the preparation for kievs offensive costly and slow and when they finally launch their offensive crush it.

Could well be a normal Ukrainian family by now for all we know

Western media are not interested in showing the truth to their own people... they have committed to a side... or should I say the US has committed the west to a side and so that is the picture they paint.

There is no depth or honesty or seeing things from the other side here... or anywhere in the west...

Do you remember same shit about Javelin?

Pepperidge Farm remembers!

And NLAW too...

So it turns out there are still people who continue to confuse Russian MoD proclamations of HIMARS/Uragan rounds destroyed with launchers.

And why should we believe the numbers from the west about how many systems they delivered?

And more to the point if you lose something to enemy fire... painting it up and using it as a decoy to get hit over and over is a pretty normal tactic in war... are we thinking the orcs are stupid and such tactics would be beneath them?

Does anyone remember when types like mercouris and the saker were claiming that mariupol and then azovstal had french special forces and several NATO high ranking officers surrounded? What happened to them?

I would guess a few were killed in Mi-8 helicopters shot down trying to evacuate VIPs... very risky flights they were as shown by the number that got shot down... would have to be very desperate to try to evacuate that way... would need to be someone you didn't care died in a helicopter crash but could not be taken alive or found at the site after it was captured.

If North Atlantic (L on the map) prevails, Europe will get mild weather and heavy winds. There will be an abundance of wind power.

Very high winds can destroy wind farms...

I tend to be such an asshole sometimes finding this shit funny when it shouldn't be. Sorry guys that I am diagnosed with horrible humor

Looks like his mother is giving them more shit than he is...

The last 18 you speak of haven't been delivered yet and our in production

You assume they are telling the truth.

Most of the claims about new deliveries cover things already provided. The thing is notorious.

Even if we assume your logic your still lying as the Russians I stated HImARS vehicles themselves destroyed. What your doing is relying on word games to prove your point, which has no factual basis. Again a super weak attempt.

You are referring to Turkish drones and the Turks never announced when they where sending drones everytime. They just sent them so it is. A weak deflection.

As for the Bradleys and marauders if your claims are true they would be in Ukraine right now so where are they? Fact of the matter is the US has never sent vehicles over without first stating it openly.

Ammo and howis have gone in under the table and small munitions.

There is not one shread of proof your feeble claims hold any merit, it's merely weak wordplay.

To this day not one dam pic, yeah the Russians are full of shit with those claims, the lack of proof show's it and if you did knock out over 20 as they claimed they'd have proof of atleast 1 as they'd need to confirm the kill.

I do not bootlick, either prove the claim correct or your full of it, that goes for Russia and Ukraine

Do you have some dysfunction with the word "lie" or something?

Pakistan sending more ammunition to Ukraine

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/pakistan-set-to-dispatch-159-containers-of-ammunition-to-ukraine/articleshow/96837448.cms

Also how does the MoD know if a "himars launchers" they allegedly hit are all not decoys?

ucmvulcan wrote:Forget ambulances, the Ukronazi draft boards shoulf show up in hearses and meat trucks

of course, this is a criminal regime
When Russian troops liberate these southern cities, people will breathe a sigh of relief and will never want to hear a word from Ukraine again.

Field full of dead Ukrainian troops being passed on as Russian by pro-ukraine pundits. Wagners been doing a good job.