Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36

"destroying power generation is not the same as wholesale slaughter of a strategic bombing campaign like the western powers tried with germany during WWII... so they are still being more human than the west ever was."

Imagine trying to paint WW2 Germany as a victim of a bombing campaign by "evil" Americans...you do know btw the Russians dropped more bombs then us right...you could have used Kosovo as an example of that's the point you wanted to make, Iraq even but you settle for WW2 Germany

January 15, 10:18
Military operation in Ukraine

Media: UK to supply four AH-64 Apache attack helicopters to Ukraine
According to The Sunday People, each helicopter can be armed with 16 Hellfire missiles, 76 Hydra 70 unguided rockets and a 30mm automatic cannon.

LONDON, January 15th. /TASS/. The UK authorities intend to supply four AH-64 Apache attack helicopters to Ukraine along with Hellfire guided missiles. This was reported on Sunday by the weekly newspaper The Sunday People, citing defense sources.

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/16802877


Just my opinion and nothing more than that;
So Western military equipment is slowly coming to Ukroshitstan. The West has no brake, it is unable to find it.
Sending Western tanks and in this case helicopters will surely motivate the Russian army to destroy that equipment.
I would like the West to send at least 200 of its vaunted tanks and 50 AH-64s to finally show the whole world that it is just military equipment that burns like any other.

There are already quite a number of "Kalibr" missile carriers in Black sea ;

* 7 submarines; 6 submarines of project 636.3 and modernized "Alrosa",
* 3 frigates of project 11356R,
* 4 small missile ships of project 21631.

This year we can expect three more small missile ships; "Naro-Fominsk" (21631) and "Tsiklon" and "Askold" from project 22800
It remains to be seen whether the same will be done with the patrol ships of project 22160.

Throwing "blame" on the Russian Empire is imbecility.
The West introduced the red vermin with the same goal as today - to destroy the Russian state and Russians and the most important of all - the RUSSIAN CHURCH.
Killing the church is the easiest way to kill the identity of the people, and the West knew that. Why are you individual members of the forum pretending that this is unclear? The USSR is a monstrosity created to destroy Russia - end of story.

The East–West Schism is something that the West has NEVER come to terms with and is still not coming to terms with today.

The West KNEW that it was IMPOSSIBLE that the idea of ​​"brotherhood and unity" could NOT succeed in the West because for centuries the only currency in the West has been GIVE ONLY TO ME, ONLY I NEED TO GET RICH AND HAVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. That's why I will give you who live in the West an example of the COLONIES that your countries had centuries ago. The core of your political elite is violent kidnapping, strife and subjugation.

The Russians (Soviets) did kill their imperial family and that is the karma that follows them to this day.
The Russians have officially existed as a state since 882, and for the creation of today's Russia, all the credit goes to the Russian Empire.
I will repeat that the red vermin tried to destroy the Russian people and the Russian church, it diminished Russia, which is why the conflict is being fought in Ukroshitstan today...
Lenin and the USSR did much greater harm to Russia than all of Russia's predecessors and opponents.

Russia can ONLY survive as a country that will return to its roots, no other way. The story of "brotherhood" with today's Ukroshitstans, or Azerbaijanis or Kazakhs is idiocy.
Kill all the enemies and the problem is solved.

@Alamo I was in the forces back in 98. It was still deemed to be highly secret. And yes it's most likely been compromised since then but the UK government is never going to admit it. And to the general public it's still deemed highly secret regardless of which variant. And it falling into Russian hands will only serve to dent the UK image of its ""secret armour"" oh and the British can't have that lol they a superior nation don't u know, a proud nation, all hail the might legacy of the British empire we can't have some Ruskie get hold of our special secret armour the public and politicians won't have it lol. Ch2 was always over hyped.

@garryb yes the Brits did contemplate getting rid of its ch2 but that would likely lead to more redundancies at a time there was mass reduction in forces numbers and disbanding of regiments it would most likely not go down well, the decision was most likely down to pride losing well known regiments wouldn't go down well at the time. It's why they never looked at producing a new tank, and came up with an expensive upgrade which still doesn't bring the latest tank technology and the upgrades won't be done to a tanks that alone tells u something. The ch3 upgrade is a sticking plaster at best.

The Brits I don't ever see them deploying tanks ever again. Like the USA their tactics these days is backed insurgencies, supplying weapons and training, use of its air force, and special forces, and to a certain degree it's navy. The British army will most likely never be deployed other than training the insurgency forces outwith their own country to then return to use their new found skills on government forces. We all know that tactic.

The UKs strategy after mass reduction of regular forces was to fill the void with increased TA numbers however the recruitment drive on this strategy failed massively and they got a fraction of the number they hoped. The Army is no longer seen as a good career in the UK, most now just join to gain certain skills and then leave after 4-6yrs regiments like engineers, logistics, Reme, etc get skills then leave. In fact years ago they had big issues with pilots leaving and taking jobs with Ryanair, easyJet, etc as they were being paid more, they start a bonus incentive and naval pilots were being given bonuses of around £125,000 to stay for X amount of years, many took the incentive stayed the certain amount of years thrnnleft anyway lol.

And as for new tanks, the only way a new tank in Europe is going to surface is if it's a joint venture with UK, France, Germany and Italy.

@Podlodka

This bigging up feudalism is nothing short of nonsensical.
Communism/Marxism had MANY faults.
But you seem to conveniently forget the absolute abhorrence of feudalism and so called Tsardom.

Firstly, they were basically a bunch of French Germans.
Secondly they were nothing but a bunch of greedy parasites who kept most Russians uneducated, in poverty, in serfdom. And Russia itself highly was unindustrialised. Add in a terrifying police state and oppression and the place was fucked up in the extreme. It was inevitable

Russia became great because of ordinary Russians. And in SPITE of feudalism.
The Tsars were the same gang as Victoria of England, the whole lot were basically Germans. A big inbred, Europe wide bunch of parasites. Their objective was to live in splendour and obscene wealth off the servitude of everyone else.

As for the usual nonsense about "ahhh da Bolshie Jooz" ruined Russia. Well... those seem to conveniently forget that the tsars actually set up a Jewish middle class as a buffer between the masses and the aristocrats. Then pretended any problems were "all the fault of da Jooz".

Communism was the wrong replacement for feudalism. (Of course it would be given that the West funded it in large part to destroy Russia via a civil war!)But feudalism overwhelmingly needed replacing.

And the West will try and sell their snake oil poison to Russia again. A civil war with the "monarcucky" sold as the "perfect solution for the Russian people".

And going back to feudalism is going back to the Dark Ages. Something the Western monarchies and Establishments would absolutely LOVE for Russia. It would be the pan European "monarchies" that would take control over Russia again and bleed it dry for themselves. Together with Uncle Satan of Washington DC at the helm.

Fawning over inbred monarchist parasites with no talent is the epitomy of gimpism.

To Firebird


If KILLING THE IDENTITY OF ONE PEOPLE is something that is irrelevant to you, then I don't know what to write to you.
Writing about "feudalism" and other nonsense that you wrote cannot kill the fact that the Russian Empire created a state that was largely destroyed by the USSR and over time made Ukroshitstans from the former Russians in the area of ​​today's USSR.
The killing of hundreds of thousands of dissidents during Lenin's time, the bloodiest Civil War, Gulag prisons, the killing of tens of thousands of officers before World War II, Stalin's indifference before Operation Barbarossa, etc.. Firebird, are you blind ?

I NEVER wrote that Russia must return to the Empire, but to return to itself - to its religion.
If you are bothered by the Russian Orthodox Church, which is the reason why the Russian people are different compared to the West and why the West wants to subjugate Russia, then you and I have a communication problem - a big one.

Pissing at the ancestors who created the state of Russia and glorifying the monstrous red antichrist freak (USSR), which hijacked that state and destroyed the identity of a good part of the population, is not something I like.
I hate to the core everything that represents the USSR if you understand me. You already know that in World War II, the Russians stopped the Germans near Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk and Leningrad. The Russians, who had to declare themselves as Soviets. Where are the Soviets today ?
A bloody red utopia that cost the lives of tens of millions of Russians and that turned the former Russians into Ukroshitstans in the area of ​​today's Ukroshitstan.

Russia must take off those red antichrist stars hanging from the Kremlin towers.

@Levi_godman
The German concern Rheinmetall has 22 Leopard 2 and 88 Leopard tanks, but it would take a year to prepare them for shipment to Ukraine - the head of the concern

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We are discussing L2 but at least those of the Germans are not in conditions. Europe does not have production on a scale to support the demand for this conflict. The armed forces of European countries are quite limited.
Only the US would be able to, but under current conditions, judging by some statements, they currently don't either, in the short term.
They could resort to old stock. But it takes a long time to get an acceptable amount in condition.

Actual delivery of Challenger 2 and Leopard 2 to Ukraine has its advantages. Strategically it wont impact the situation. New tanks put a lot of strain on nazi logistics.  Russians can study the best way to destroy NATO mbts in the real battlefield conditions.


And i only wonder how west explains that superduper tanks get destroyed by  "obsolete soviet equipment" ?

UK to give Ukraine Challenger 2 tanks and AS90 self-propelled howitzers
bmpd
January 15th, 4:56 pm

On January 14, 2023, British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak officially announced the decision to transfer to Ukraine from the presence of the British armed forces 14 main Challenger 2 tanks and "about 30" AS90 self-propelled howitzers of 155-mm / 39 caliber. It is stated that a squadron (company) of 14 Challenger 2 tanks will be sent to Ukraine "in the coming weeks", and that "in the coming days, the UK will begin training the armed forces of Ukraine in the use of tanks and artillery pieces."



Challenger 2 tanks from Her Majesty's Royal Hussars (Queen's Royal Hussars) of the British Army at the Niinisalo training ground in Finland during the joint exercise Exercise Arrow, May 2022 (c) British Army


The UK Prime Minister's statement reads:

"The Prime Minister intends to accelerate the UK's diplomatic and military support to Ukraine in the coming weeks to push Russia back even further and secure a lasting peace.
There will be a surge in British diplomatic activity around the world this week after the Prime Minister instructed key ministers to step up international action as the first anniversary of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine at the end of February approaches.

The Prime Minister has already committed to match or exceed UK defense support for Ukraine in 2023, and this week he instructed ministers and officials to ensure maximum activity across the spectrum of our support. British defense and security officials believe a window has opened in which Russia is falling behind due to resupply problems and falling morale. The Prime Minister is therefore urging allies to roll out planned support for 2023 as soon as possible to maximize impact.

Sending Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine is the beginning of a change in the vector of support from the UK. A squadron of 14 tanks will be sent to the country in the coming weeks after the prime minister told President Zelensky that Britain would provide more support to Ukraine in the ground war. They are expected to be followed by about 30 large AS90 self-propelled guns, with a crew of five. The Secretary of Defense will lay out further details of this support in the House of Commons on Monday [January 16].

In the coming days, the UK will begin training the Ukrainian armed forces in the use of tanks and artillery pieces as part of a broader British effort that has trained thousands of Ukrainian troops in the UK over the past six months.

The prime minister has instructed the defense minister to bring European allies together to ensure the most strategic and coordinated surge of global military support possible. The Minister of Defense will travel to Estonia and Germany this week to work with NATO allies and other international partners.

Meanwhile, the Foreign Secretary will travel to the United States later this week to discuss how the UK and the US can use our position as leading supporters of Ukraine to galvanize further international action.

He will also travel to Canada, another of Ukraine's staunchest supporters, to discuss closer coordination on international sanctions and our coordinated efforts to increase our support for Ukraine.

A spokesman for Downing Street said:

As the people of Ukraine approach their second year under relentless Russian bombardment, the Prime Minister has dedicated himself to ensuring that Ukraine wins this war.

Together with his closest military advisers, he analyzed the military environment, examined the strategic impact of British support, and identified a window in which he believed Britain and its allies could exert maximum influence. The Prime Minister makes it clear that prolonged and positional warfare only serves Russian purposes. That is why he and his ministers will be negotiating with our allies around the world in the coming days and weeks to increase pressure on Putin and secure a better future for Ukraine.

As the anniversary of the invasion approaches, the Prime Minister will seek to demonstrate the UK's strength as an international catalyst with influence over NATO, the G7, the Joint Expeditionary Force and others.

He will work with partners to put Ukraine in the strongest possible position from which it can enter future peace negotiations with strong military, economic and diplomatic positions to ensure a lasting and sustainable peace."


On the bmpd side, we point out that initially, from 1994 to 2002, 386 Challenger 2 tanks and 22 training tanks were delivered to the British army.
All of them were produced at tank factories in Elswick and Leeds, which at that time belonged to Alvis (in 2004, together with the enterprises, it came under the control of BAE Systems Corporation). Another 38 tanks were made for Oman in 1998-2001. According to the Strategic Defense and Security Review (SDSR-2010) issued by the British government in 2010, the number of Challenger 2 combat tanks in the British army was reduced to 225, while it was planned to keep them in service until 2035.

In March 2021, the new Defense Command Paper, published by the UK Department of Defense, announced the decision to retire 77 of the remaining 225 Challenger 2 tanks in the British Army, and upgrade the remaining 148 to the Challenger 3 variant, which should remain in service until at least 2040. The contract for the modernization of 148 tanks to the Challenger 3 level was signed in May 2021 with the British joint venture Rheinmetall BAE Systems Land (RBSL), formed by the German Rheinmetall group and BAE Systems, with delivery from 2027 to 2030.

Therefore, it can be estimated that the UK has some resources for the transfer of Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine, and, most likely, will not be limited to one company.

As for the 155-mm / 39 AS90 self-propelled howitzers, the British Army received 179 of these systems in 1992-1995, manufactured by the then company Vickers Shipbuilding and Engineering (VSEL, since 1999 its facilities have been part of BAE Systems). By 2015, the number of combat AS90 self-propelled guns in the British army was only 115 units, and in the same year, by decisions, it was reduced to 89. Their removal from service was planned in 2030-2032.

Recall that the issue of transferring the AS90 to Ukraine was discussed back in the spring of 2022, but then British Defense Secretary Ben Hodges rejected these proposals, publicly calling the AS90 self-propelled guns "bulky and outdated." It should be noted that the British media have repeatedly reported problems with the technical readiness of the AS90, including an acute shortage of spare parts for them, to the point that in 2021 some sources estimated the number of combat-ready self-propelled guns of the British army "from 10 to less than 20" out of the regular 89.

A number of British media in recent days have also reported on the alleged intention of the UK to transfer four Boeing AH-64E Apache combat helicopters with Hellfire missiles to Ukraine, but on January 15 these reports were officially refuted by the British government.


155-mm / 39 AS90 self-propelled howitzers of the British army at the firing range in Otterburn (North Yorkshire), 2015 (c) Simon Longworth / British Army

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4643643.html

And i only wonder how west explains that superduper tanks get destroyed by "obsolete soviet equipment" ?

They never explain the performance of the Abrams in Yemen or the L2 in Syria, why would they explain themselves now? And justifying it would certainly put the blame on the Ukrainians, not the equipment.

Maharlika
@Jordanpkjj
Interesting admission from a German diplomat was made that Ukraine spends more artillery shells in a day, than Germans produce in 6 months.

Considering Russians have been firing as many as 10 shells for every 1 UKR, it really puts Russia's production capability into perspective

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That says it all!

The Challenger 2 tanks, the most advanced Soviet/Russian tank it's faced in combat is the export model of the T-72A, which has no composite armour, or re-active armour and the Turret armour is much thinner than the base model T-72A, in short the challenger 2 tank is yet to face a base model Soviet/Russian tank and it's the same for Abrams tanks.

The AS90 is outdated system compared to the Panzerhaubitze, G6 Rhino and many other modern artillery systems

I love these little ships. (Only 2x8 slots Kalibr other Anti-Ship and TorM2 are missing and they would be perfect)

Sprintero
@Sprinter20000
Russian Navy launching 3M-54 Kalibr from the black sea. 14/1/2023


@AZgeopolitics
The current situation in the Bakhmut direction,PUSH IN EVERY DIRECTION AROUND BAKHMUT