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    Post  Arrow Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:06 pm

    Building of the Ministry of Defense of Russia.


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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:11 pm

    Is that a new feature on the roof? Very Happy

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    Post  Isos Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:11 pm

    Ukrainians use their artillery sporadically. Shoot, run and hide tactics.

    Russian artillery support ground troops 24/7. Thry move them around but stay close to the front and don't hide in farms.

    That's why they are more survivable than russian.

    However russia lacks longer range drones and suicide drones to hunt them. Lancet, small zala and Kub don't have enough range to hunt them. They need more drones like forpost-R or Orion. Modern artillery can operate pretty far from the front and you need drones that can operate 100km away from the front.

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    Post  Isos Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:13 pm

    Is that a new feature on the roof? Very Happy

    A very bad sign. They expect missile attacks on Moscow. Ukraine doesn't have anything to hit that far.

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    Post  Sujoy Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:28 pm

    Panstir being placed on the rooftop of a building in Moscow is probably out of an abundance of caution. From that vantage point Panstir can cover the entire airspace over Moscow.

    NATO probably trying to lauch a drone attack on Moscow if they can manage to smuggle in drones and disperse them across the city.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:39 pm

    Pancyrs were stationed on perimeters while the Olympics in Sochi was going.
    They surely felt depressed and afraid by the mighty Ukroluftwaffe back then. Pretty clear!

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:47 pm

    Summary of equipment that is going to be sent by multiple countries to Ukraine in the next few months.

    https://t.me/RVvoenkor/36382

    ‼Preliminary list of weapons that the West will supply to Ukraine

    USA
    ▪ 100 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles;
    ▪ 100 tracked armored personnel carriers M113;
    ▪ 18 155-mm self-propelled guns M109A6;
    ▪ 250 M1117 armored vehicles;
    ▪ 138 HMMWV SUVs;
    ▪ 100 Stryker wheeled armored personnel carriers;
    ▪ GLSDB ammo;
    ▪ 36 105mm howitzers;
    ▪ 1 Patriot air defense/missile defense battery;
    ▪ 6 Nasams air defense batteries;
    ▪ 18 MLRS HIMARS;
    Canada
    ▪ 200 Senator armored vehicles;
    ▪ 1 NASAMS air defense battery;
    United Kingdom
    ▪ 14 Challenger 2 tanks;
    ▪ 600 Brimstone rockets;
    ▪ 30 155mm AS90 self-propelled guns;
    ▪ 200 infantry fighting vehicles/armored personnel carriers;
    Poland
    ▪ 14 Leopard 2 tanks (probably A4 modifications);
    France
    ▪ 40 AMX-10RC wheeled tanks;
    ▪ Bastion armored vehicles;
    Germany
    ▪ 40 Marder infantry fighting vehicles;
    ▪ 1 Patriot air defense/missile defense battery;
    ▪ 3 Iris-T air defense batteries + 3 TRML-4D radars;
    ▪ 2 TRML-4D radars;
    Norway, Denmark
    16 155 mm Zuzana-2 wheeled self-propelled guns
    Czech
    ▪120 T-72M tanks
    Netherlands
    ▪ 1 Patriot air defense/missile defense battery;
    Sweden
    ▪50 BMP CV-90;
    ▪12 155mm Archer wheeled self-propelled guns;
    Estonia
    ▪10 155mm FH70 howitzers;
    ▪10 122mm D30 howitzers;
    Italy, France
    ▪1 SAMP/T air defense/missile defense battery;
    Czech
    ▪26-30 152mm Dana-M2 wheeled self-propelled guns;
    Norway
    ▪Caesar 155mm wheeled self-propelled guns
    Against the background of the pugnacious moods of Western countries, the voices of sane politicians are drowning. So, Piotr Bistron of the Alternative for Germany party said that foreign policy is not sending tanks, but diplomacy.
    t.me/RVvoenkor

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:49 pm

    That is the type of caution that multiple members on this forum have repeatedly called for...

    I do wonder how it got up there. Airlift by Mi-26? There must be footage of that, in that case.

    caveat empor wrote:Summary of equipment that is going to be sent by multiple countries to Ukraine in the next few months.

    It's an entire army, bigger than most European countries' (or all?)

    And Ukraine had Europe's largest army before 2022, already.

    Then it was ground down by Russia, and replaced with remaining stocks of ex-WP hardware that was still around in EE NATO members, plus a significant amount of old-ish western hardware.

    Then that's been ground down by Russia.

    And now a 3rd army is being built with almost exclusively new-ish western hardware.

    Just ridiculous. How many Ukrainians will even be left to man these things by the end of this year?





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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:51 pm

    What happend to all the stuff they send last year? (rhetorical question)

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:51 pm

    Pantsir were seen in multiple locations throughout Moscow. There's a possibility that they have info about possible strikes expected by Shahed like drones, that were rumoured to be created by Ukraine.
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:52 pm

    @Snufflebag
    They were  lifted by cranes
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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:52 pm

    There must be footage of that, in that case.
    Cranes. Simple as that.
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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:56 pm

    Russian government should use newest package of military equipment for Ukraine, to push for wartime mobilization production rules in the industry. Limited mobilization wave shouldn't be excluded, as well.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:59 pm

    The cause is pretty clear.
    Ukrs will try to stage some peremoga commercials.
    Nobody will talk that it was a $200 drone freshly delivered from Aliexpress that broke a window in MoD building, but a whole twitter incel party of "fellas" will masturbate about a mighty strike in a heart of the evil Mordor second to killing Sauron only.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:14 pm

    Some of the equipment on the "donation" list needs to be produced first. Other stuff will take months to send.
    Even if it came all at once it wouldn´t make a big impact.
    Some moan that the artillery will be a danger but the lovely western-backed Nazi regime in Kiev had much more
    and sometimes even better stuff at the beginning of the SMO.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:33 pm

    ... and last but nit least, we talk about a FACTOR of equipment Ukrs had a year ago.
    Lacking the entire airforce, most of the air defense ...

    While Russkie factories are just going on high ...

    Yeah, 150 tanks will do peremoga for sure, it is a whole 7% of the Ukro tank fleet from a year ago.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:35 pm

    White house and pentagram and us capitol building have sam batteries on or very close to them. Actually, I am kinda surprised the Russian MOD hasn't deployed sams near critical and cultural points years earlier than now

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    Post  caveat emptor Thu Jan 19, 2023 6:36 pm

    This is a wrong approach. If they don't exchange them, they should just make them disappear.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:00 pm

    White house and pentagram and us capitol building have sam batteries on or very close to them. Actually, I am kinda surprised the Russian MOD hasn't deployed sams near critical and cultural points years earlier than now

    My guess is that till very recent events, the Moscow agglomeration didn't need this kind of systems in a very city center.
    Moscow is the most heavily defended city on the planet.
    A whole structure was designed to defeat an attack involving 1000 (thousand) targets, and that was back in the 50s.
    Ballistic/strategic included.
    What we see is just a new type of threat.
    Only today, they took down two commercial-grade, China-made drones over Donbas. It costs some $7-10k in RETAIL. You can just order it on Aliexpress. Will be delivered dismantled with two boxes, one with comm&command, second with a drone itself.
    You can pack both into a mid-size SUV without much struggle.
    It can be used only for terroristic attacks, yet oot is good enough to make a propaganda campaign.
    Just sneak with it via waste Russian border, at a random place.
    Close to Moscow, and release it within city limits to strike any random target.
    Or spray some nasty shit.
    Russkie are just getting prepared for this kind of threat and considering their waste experience from Syria, they know what they are doing.

    This is a wrong approach. If they don't exchange them, they should just make them disappear.

    Are the Russian security structures and juridical system thugs, kidnappers, and murderers? Because only then what you have said would have any sense.


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:03 pm

    "Poland intends to do "the right way" if the FRG (Germany) does not agree to the transfer of tanks to Kiev
    The republic has already decided to transfer up to 14 cars to Ukraine

    WARSAW, 19 January. /TASS/. Poland will do what it thinks is right if it does not receive permission from Germany to supply Ukraine with Leopard tanks as soon as possible. Prime Minister of Poland Mateusz Morawiecki announced this on Thursday to the Polsat TV channel.

    According to him, Poland has agreed with Ukrainian partners, as well as partners from Western Europe, that they will transfer tanks together. "Consent here is a matter of the second rank," Morawiecki pointed out. (...)."



    Morawiecki is a BND agent, he does whatever his German masters tell him to do.

    Do you understand this?




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    Are the Russian security structures and juridical system thugs, kidnappers, and murderers? Because only then what you have said would have any sense.

    Just letting them go is even worse. These are not some people that had pro-Ukrainian material in their homes or phones. They took active role in fighting as spies for the enemy. Least they should do is to use them for exchanges.
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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:30 pm

    You would kill some 60 y/o babushka because she answered the call of her ... niece or something, telling where the outposts are?
    Really?
    Gee.
    I am really glad to support the side that doesn't do that. Seriously.
    OK, let's move on ...


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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Thu Jan 19, 2023 7:35 pm

    "One of the biggest issues in Poland is the fact of the huge and hidden Ukrainian diaspora existing.
    Commies were stupid enough to carry a Vistula Plan after the war, being a forceful relocation of ethnic Ukrainians from the eastern borders. Part of the was transported to the Soviet Union, while some 100+ k was dispersed on the western borders. In several big enclaves. Those people were thrown under a train, as the newly acquired territories were already colonized by the Poles from Kresy. The very same ones who survived UPA atrocities. So you can imagine the love&friendship that started if you place a 100k minority into 5 mln population, that witnessed the genocide the first one carried only 2-4 years earlier. It was a mental slaughter. That is why Ukrainians denied their nationality and hid it.
    In a census made in 1949 in Szczecin for example, only 200 out of 10 000 Ukrainians declared their nationality. The remaining 9800 were already reconfigured to pretend Poles while cultivating the Ukrainian identity in secrecy.
    Their family model was traditional, with big families.
    A 3-4 kids standard. As we talk about 4th generation since the war ended, just do the math.
    In Canada, Uko nazis who fled were welcomed with open arms, so they didn't have to hide. To this very day, most of them are using Ukrainian names&surnames, so can be easily distinguished.
    Not in Poland. And the people were not nazis, mostly - what makes a difference."





    It was far more than 100 000 ethnic Ukrainians who remained in Poland.

    Polish government had to "disperse" them to the Recovered Lands in 1947 because at the end of 1946 the republican government of the Soviet Ukraine refused to have any additional ethnic Ukrainians from Poland repatriated to its territory.

    Majority of those ethnic Ukrainians who remained in Poland were rabid nationalists, since these people were least likely to move back to Ukraine.

    But not in all areas they were moved to they were very dispersed since there was some "transplanted" UPA activity for a short time during the late 1940's in the regions of Warmia-Mazury, Lower Silesia, and possibly elsewhere.


    http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html



    Some ethnic Lemkos were also dispersed.





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