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    Post  mnztr Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:34 pm

    then there is the matter of where the shot down ordinance lands. Hopefully they have set up AD zones outside the city.
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    Post  mnztr Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:40 pm

    When all this is over, the new "NATO Trophy" wing at Kubinka is going be to stuffed full of Western wunderwaffe. Where else on the planet will enthusiasts be able to see Challanger 2, Abrams, Leopard 2, M109 Paladin, PzH 2000, Krab, HIMARS, M777 etc etc as well as a plethora of defeated Ukropi and Poolander/Gypsyland Soviet-era armour all under a single roof? (Aussie Bushmasters will be on display in the Comedy Wing along with UK Saxons..Razz ) Hopefully the Kubinka management won't be charging too much for food and drinks. They need to make it a tourist mecca, and not spoil a good thing with cheap Western-style profiteering Twisted Evil LIKE10DISLIKE wrote:


    they really need to integrate it with the military cathedral. Perhaps in a field a tasteful distance as a reminder that the West sent machines to kill Russians and destroy Russia and once again Russians paid in blood. Honestly its not even been 100 years. Part of me think that Putin should say that by arming Ukraine Germany is in violation of the instrument of surrender and if they don't stop sending weapons that the war with Germany will resume.

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    Post  Erk Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:22 pm

    famschopman wote:

    Is that a real thing or a photoshop?

    Yeah it's real.

    TWQ-1 Avenger.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TWQ-1_Avenger

    Not sure how well it works.
    Looks like you could destroy it with a grenade!

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:28 pm

    in all fairness there are a lot of things you can destroy with a grenade and even more with and RPG.

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    Post  diabetus Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:29 pm

    Yeah not sure at all why someone said stingers are if questionable value against drones.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:41 pm

    Erk wrote:Not sure how well it works.
    Looks like you could destroy it with a grenade!

    That POS looks like it was designed and built by an ISIS chopshop in ar-Raqqa Razz

    Truly has the Murkan MIC "Emperor" been revealed to have no clothes... Razz Razz Razz Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:42 pm

    Nice article by Big Serge thumbsup

    https://bigserge.substack.com/p/russo-ukrainian-war-the-world-blood
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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:48 pm

    U.S can fly Ukrainian military personnel all the way to the US so that they can be trained on how to operate the Patriot SAMs but will not send Abrams tank to Ukraine citing rigorous training requirement despite the fact that Abrams are already present across the border in Ukraine.

    https://www.aol.com/news/why-top-u-officials-dont-225607380.html

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:23 pm

    Only watching the pics of Pancyr and this henhouse will tell a lot about the real condition of the mighty western Wunderwaffe and the whole structure of the house of cards.
    We are talking a quantum leap difference in both technology and potential.
    The sole fact that Muricans failed miserably multiple times trying to create a potent anti-air defense mobile system speaks for itself.
    Again, we can easily notice that European MIC was capable to provide much better systems, at a fraction of the cost.
    Still lagging behind the Russkie heavily.
    What is most surprising, is the fact that this gap is getting even wider as we speak. Soon, Russkie will field a THIRD generation ahead of the competition, and the sole country that can present something similar is and will be ... China.
    And that can go on and on.

    Listening to col. MacGregor is very interesting, as he was a commander in the biggest tank battle the US carried in the last 30 years - 73 Eastings. So the guy seriously knows what he is talking about considering the armored warfare. Asked multiple times lately, he steadily confirms that he would prefer L2 rather than M1 at any moment. Because of the logistics. M1 requires refueling every SIX HOURS. From the Ukro perspective, it is dead meat. They can't afford that at any level. Not only do they lack the fuel itself, but the transport tools and safety margin to operate.
    The thing reminds me of the story of 6TD engine that put in question a whole operational capability of the Soviet tank units when accepted. Not because it was a bad engine with a bad tank, but it was a totally different philosophy and engineering.
    Soviet mechanics and drivers were used to operate endless lines of W-2 up to W-46, which required close to zero attention. It could operate by burning salo&butter if needed, and to make it cooled and lubricated you could piss on it. 6TD didn't allow this kind of treatment. It had to be well maintained, properly oiled with the proper oil types, and while being multifuel, it still required better quality fuel to run smoothly.
    Now imagine placing a brand new tank, with made with inch, not cm system. Powered by a turbine that consumes an enormous amount of good quality fuel. Unknown to the technicians and drivers. And required refueling after few hours of operating.
    Yeah, that will surely help them Laughing

    The longer this lunacy goes, the more I'm convinced that kievan junta is doing everything only to involve as many people in the misery as possible.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:54 pm

    Once dead they become "former".

    America comes bedrocked over destroying societies wholesale at the pointy end of an F16. Triumphant "liberalism" indeed.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:02 pm

    Visegrad24?  /puke

    Good riddance to that scumbag child killer. Funny how Russian patriots can shoot back, unlike kids or villagers in Af-Pak or Iraq or NE Syria. Rot in hell you stupid prick.

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    Post  walle83 Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:06 pm

    Good, keep 'em coming thumbsup

    Last thing anyone needs is for this thing to end too quickly

    The longer this lasts the more Ukrainians will get composted

    It will also keep those bleeding-heart Ruskies from pussyfooting again (more than usual that is)

    Yes because it could not end with the Ruskies just packing thier shit up and just left Ukraine?
    The war started with Russia invading Ukraine and will end when Russia goes home.

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    Post  billybatts91 Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:12 pm

    Rest in hell Daniel Swift, piece of shit imperialist!

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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:46 pm

    Once Sweden owned Baltics/part Pukraine and Swedish king said the same yet Russians visited Stockholm and no Swedes St Petersburg. History can teach you a lot. If you dont learn guests can visit you again.

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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:18 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36 - Page 33 Fm_rzq10
    Dvurechye was liberated. 
    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36 - Page 33 Scree571
    Prigozhin watching trucks loaded with dead Ukros. Approx. 20 trucks will be needed, maybe some more.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:37 pm

    @famschopman
    It is real.

    @FP
    You seem to be going through some kind of catharsis. I'm not sure in which country in the West you lived, but from personal experience, Swedes are the worst at virtue signaling, and at the same time, chauvinist people in Europe. I would say Danish are close second, but they are same garbage. So welcome to reality bro. Red pill and all.

    No catharsis on my part, that wallet dickhead was grating on me for a while and his delusional glee at the supposed wunderwaffen beating the russkies back was obvious already prior.
    Had to be confronted, no way around it

    I don't see the need to have people like that on this forum. It's a war, you're on one side or the other - if you let determined Ukronazi & neocon apologists on here who wholeheartedly support the destruction of Russian troops here then they will simply cause flamewars. The emotions are too high.
    But that's just my opinion on the matter

    As for Swedes - I worked with Swedes for a number of years. Visited the country for work. Denmark too a couple of times, worked in a Russo-Danish company on a seperate stint as well.
    I'm not in the business of painting millions of people I don't personally know with the same brush, and you shouldn't be either.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:39 pm

    Ukrainian journalists seem to suggest that the aid money is being siphoned off:
    https://nashigroshi.org/2023/01/21/tylovi-patsiuky-minoborony-pid-chas-viyny-pyliaiut-na-kharchakh-dlia-zsu-bil-she-nizh-za-myrnoho-zhyttia/

    VSU contracts show shady contractors providing base food products (eggs, potatoes etc) for 2-3 times the market price, where the excess money goes nobody knows.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:53 pm

    Hole wrote:Prigozhin watching trucks loaded with dead Ukros. Approx. 20 trucks will be needed, maybe some more.

    Why? Surely all they need is a long ditch plus a few dozen bags of lime? Twisted Evil

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:55 pm

    Prigozhin watching trucks loaded with dead Ukros. Approx. 20 trucks will be needed, maybe some more.

    The part that is unclear to me, is what they meaned.
    The talk is "about 20 trucks", and "4-5 curses".
    So we talk 20 trucks in total, or 4-5 curses of 20 trucks scratch
    Each truck is loaded with at least 10 coffins ... so even if we talk the first, it is 200+ dead bodies. Not to mention POWs and WIA ... And Ukrs evacuated some of the KIA earlier, lot's of materials with that from Artemovst, Krematorsk and Slavyansk ...

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:11 pm

    Russia's largest bank, Sberbank long avoided Crimea for fear of additional sanctions. In 2022 they were sanctioned anyway, which removed any reason not to establish operations there.

    Now they are starting:
    https://c-inform.info/news/id/106040

    Just found it a bit funny. Crimeans are welcoming it, read a lot of happy things on various local TG channels. Stuff like "finally we're fully part of Russia" et cetera.

    Reactions on the Crimean streets:


    Meanwhile in la-la-land:
    https://www.rbc.ua/ukr/news/virishalna-teritoriya-general-ssha-nazvav-1674296744.html
    "We'll retake Crimea by summer"

    And meanwhile in the cities Ukraine retook in the Kharkov region during the Russian withdrawal in September, a rare example of Western media pointing out some curious issues:
    https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/01/19/some-liberated-ukrainian-regions-have-mixed-loyalties

    “'They still miss the Russians,' Andrei says."

    "'A large majority of the people here were pro-Russian before the war', says Mr. Besedin [acting mayor of Kupyansk], and not much has changed"


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    Post  SolidarityWithRussia Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:17 pm

    I heard about a 800 Ukrainian for 200 Russian POW exchange. What sucks is if you get captured the 2nd time as a POW and get traded again your more than likely just going to get killed by the Ukrainian soldiers. Are the Ukrainian POWs being exchanged really want to go back to Azov or do most don't have a choice when being traded?

    It may look unfair, but afaik the kill ratio is about 1:8 in favor of Russia. In this regard one Russian soldier is much more worth than a Ukrianian one. The freed Ukrainian POWs might not enjoy their freedom for too long, if you think about how they are maltreated by the Kiev regime. There are not many reasons to envy them.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:38 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Only watching the pics of Pancyr and this henhouse will tell a lot about the real condition of the mighty western Wunderwaffe and the whole structure of the house of cards.
    We are talking a quantum leap difference in both technology and potential.
    The sole fact that Muricans failed miserably multiple times trying to create a potent anti-air defense mobile system speaks for itself.
    Again, we can easily notice that European MIC was capable to provide much better systems, at a fraction of the cost.
    Still lagging behind the Russkie heavily.
    What is most surprising, is the fact that this gap is getting even wider as we speak. Soon, Russkie will field a THIRD generation ahead of the competition, and the sole country that can present something similar is and will be ... China.
    And that can go on and on.
    As usual when the Russians are derided as hanging on by the Soviet coat tails - it was purely projection. If anyone can be accused of failing to evolve beyond their cold war selves its NATO. What kind of a ground force can exist in the 21st century without capable anti-air? Even the Houthis of yemen have SHORADs for ****'s sake!

    ALAMO wrote:Listening to col. MacGregor is very interesting, as he was a commander in the biggest tank battle the US carried in the last 30 years - 73 Eastings. So the guy seriously knows what he is talking about considering the armored warfare. Asked multiple times lately, he steadily confirms that he would prefer L2 rather than M1 at any moment. Because of the logistics. M1 requires refueling every SIX HOURS. From the Ukro perspective, it is dead meat. They can't afford that at any level. Not only do they lack the fuel itself, but the transport tools and safety margin to operate.
    He would. The stop-start mess of American armored spearheads and long operational pauses that followed was almost single-handedly responsible for allowing half of the Iraqi Army to escape encirclement. That remnant would then go on to crush Saddam's rebellions for him, and ensured that a round 2 was needed, which would then lead to a disastrous counter-insurgency...

    ALAMO wrote:
    The thing reminds me of the story of 6TD engine that put in question a whole operational capability of the Soviet tank units when accepted. Not because it was a bad engine with a bad tank, but it was a totally different philosophy and engineering.
    Soviet mechanics and drivers were used to operate endless lines of W-2 up to W-46, which required close to zero attention. It could operate by burning salo&butter if needed, and to make it cooled and lubricated you could piss on it. 6TD didn't allow this kind of treatment. It had to be well maintained, properly oiled with the proper oil types, and while being multifuel, it still required better quality fuel to run smoothly.
    Now imagine placing a brand new tank, with made with inch, not cm system. Powered by a turbine that consumes an enormous amount of good quality fuel. Unknown to the technicians and drivers. And required refueling after few hours of operating.
    Yeah, that will surely help them Laughing
    Exactly. There is such a thing as too advanced a weapon for the user to wield. The Russians are sensible enough to recognize this for a fact, which is why their factories are mass-producing stuff the army is familiar with for many years now, while they wait for a new generation of soldiers to train up to use their next-gen stuff. If Ukraine were to even receive NATO equipment in the required numbers it won't help them, not when the quality of their manpower has been degraded to such an extent.

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