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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36

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Regular Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:44 pm

Ukrainians seem to be low on artillery in Zaporozhia region.

Grey Zone published video from Ukrainian side - failed Russian attack. Soldiers were marching in open field. But artillery only hit/destroyed IFV and they had injured.

This mistake could been much worse if Ukraine wouldn’t have all artillery concentrated in Bakhmut. We seen how similar Ukrainian attacks end

Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36 - Page 34 C28d3c10

Ukrainian soldiers are getting the beating by their own NCO. It seems they were stationed in flats, presumably in Bakhmut. Morale seems to be bad
https://t.me/Topaz_Govorit/3205

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Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:50 pm

Those Ukrainian Bandera-Nazi officers beating up scared and disheartened mobilized soldiers run serious risk of being victims of some "accidental" discharge of an automatic weapon.

Probably already happened, and if so it will pop up in a few months. Their insane media censorship only delays things.

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DerWolf Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:54 pm

Why Russian soldiers were marching on foot and not in IFV or APC?

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flamming_python Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:30 pm

Yes because it could not end with the Ruskies just packing thier shit up and just left Ukraine?
The war started with Russia invading Ukraine and will end when Russia goes home.

No it started when NATO got too cozy in the Ukraine and was arming the Ukraine 1-2 brigades a day for the purpose of retaking the Donbass, with Biden refusing to give guarantees of no nukes in the Ukraine either to Putin. If the Donbass was taken by the Ukraine, then the Crimea would be next, and perhaps with US nukes stationed in the Ukraine by then.

Not gonna happen sunshine. Your leaders earned the fireworks happening now

I would say it's an option for Russia to leave the Ukraine, if NATO also leaves the Ukraine and takes all their mercs, bases, agreements and neo-Nazis with them.
But realistically neither side is going to back down at this stage.

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PhSt Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:54 pm

walle666 wrote:
Yes because it could not end with the Ruskies just packing thier shit up and just left Ukraine?
The war started with Russia invading Ukraine and will end when Russia goes home.

Wrong. war will end when Russia annexes Sweden russia

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Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:04 pm

flamming_python wrote:I would say it's an option for Russia to leave the Ukraine, if NATO also leaves the Ukraine and takes all their mercs, bases, agreements and neo-Nazis with them.
But realistically neither side is going to back down at this stage.

That was the Russian request from the beginning. They wouldn't mess with Ukraine at all if some very basic security things were guaranteed. The US and EU thought Russia was weak and bluffing, so they went ahead with compromising Russian security by propping up the Bandera-Nazi nutter minority in Ukraine. The west made them so powerful that they not only fucked, with impunity with ethnic and linguistic Russians in the Soviet-created former Ukrainian SSR, but also directly threatened Russian Federation security.

If you transfer the general outline of this to any other country with a powerful and concerned neighbor, the expected answer would be dead obvious (expected..) and almost everyone would understand and accept it.

Cf Russia-backed coup d'etat in Mexico, fully focusing on and amplifying some die hard anti-American faction to the point where they openly talk of reclaiming California and Texas.

Washington would just stay idle, eh?

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Hole Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:06 pm

Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36 - Page 34 Fnavaz10

One road left.

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franco Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:00 pm

I heard about a 800 Ukrainian for 200 Russian POW exchange. What sucks is if you get captured the 2nd time as a POW and get traded again your more than likely just going to get killed by the Ukrainian soldiers. Are the Ukrainian POWs being exchanged really want to go back to Azov or do most don't have a choice when being traded?

It may look unfair, but afaik the kill ratio is about 1:8 in favor of Russia. In this regard one Russian soldier is much more worth than a Ukrianian one. The freed Ukrainian POWs might not enjoy their freedom for too long, if you think about how they are maltreated by the Kiev regime. There are not many reasons to envy them.

Has not happened yet so until it does... For the rest of the story, it was at the last meeting for POW exchange negotiations and Russia went in looking for 200 individuals and the Ukrainian had 800 on their list that they were inquiring about. Doesn't mean a 200 > 800 exchange happening just yet.

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mnztr Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:31 pm

so apparently Wagner has set up a portal where Ukrainians can inquire as to the status of their loved ones. i.e. have they been killed, or captured. They are even allowing the POWs to send video messages to loved ones. Such a clever idea. The Ukraine govt is not giving people any info about their sons. By doing this, Wagner spreads the word that you best way home is to surrender. You will be treated lawfully and no fear of torture. This combined with steady defeats and appalling conditions will soften the resistance considerably I think. The Russians should air drop white flags and surrender instructions. Or maybe blue flags as white is hard to see in winter.

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thegopnik Sat Jan 21, 2023 6:32 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/mirijevac75/status/1616754431164403715

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Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:06 pm

So with some recent admissions by the Ukrainian National Guard, they've suffered more than 140,000 KIA, and habe 40,000 MIA (which essentially means dead, it's just that Kiev is not recognizing them as such, it saves a bit of money for the time being).

So nearing 200,000 servicemen killed, per official admissions. Could be higher still, it is obvious that they and their NATO backers try to keep it under wraps. Indeed, many Ukrainians with some degree of insight have said as much --"If the real numbers got out it would ruin everything."

Then add ~20,000 POWs. It is quite telling that a mere handful of Russians/Republicans are swapped for hundreds of VSU guys each time a POW trade occurs.

Russia and the Republican armies are below 20k KIA, even the most anti-Russian Russian journalist sleuths only found decent proof of ~12k.

For the sake of the argument, let's stick with the numbers that have been somewhat verified (by the quality of the source):

UA military dead: 140,000+
RU military dead: 15'000+ (I'm including LDNR and Wagner)
UA civilian dead: ~9000 (per Kievs own data, and UN data, remarkably low considering the scale and length of the "SMO", it's almost as if the Russians aren't trying to genocide everything... Eh, see above re Kupyansk etc)

I said half a year ago that the general ratio was 1:10, I believe it still is. I also said half a year ago that Zelensky and his NATO-backers are the ones actually genociding Ukrainians. Still seems to be the deal.

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ALAMO Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:18 pm

9k civilian deaths include people they have murdered by artillery fire in places like Bucha, hostages kept in basements of Mariopol etc.
So we see a conflict where "aggressor" is causing less damage to the civilian population that "own" forces.
Unbelievable.

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klahtinen Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:41 pm

>You live in Sweden?
>Are you Swedish?
>How are you familiar with the
>current situation in Sweden?

The question was not to me, but Finnish broadcast news just told that currently there's many very serious gang wars going on in Sweden.

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ALAMO Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:52 pm

Yep, I do not doubt at all that >50% of the Ukrainan civilian casualties suffered because of Kievan action, which has been reckless throughout. And they've been extremely deceitful, almost comically, once anyone dared calling them out on it.

But you know how it goes. Even if it is crystal clear that Ukraine is killing civvies, some media and political wanking rapidly commences and wham, it's Russia's fault anyway, stop asking questions.

That is the thing that scares me, objectively.
It wouldn't be possible with a population smarter than a random dog.
Yet they manage!
Remember the first pics from Bucha, back in Feb22? When they drop a whole Grad volley at VDV column?
The whole neighborhood is raised to the grounds. Small suburbs of Kiev, little houses.
Full of civilians, because they have uploaded this column entering the street only several minutes before.
Nobody asked a single fukin' question, what kind of country would wipe out a whole suburban street to take out 10 military vehicles.
And they have proudly presented those few burned BMDs like a bloody trophy, surrounded by tens of destroyed homes full of rotting corpses of their own population.
That is a real face of kievan junta. And always was. Unhuman and devil's face bunch of thugs I wish to see at the end of a thin rope or a piano string.

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limb Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:56 pm

Wow, a nonbrainwashed finn here. AFAIK 91% of finns want to send weapons to the ukraine. Thats what 100 years of russia hating even before the winter war has done.

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Hole Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:36 pm

what kind of country

USA

Still the whole western MSM is full of "genocide" claims. F...ing presstitutes.

Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36 - Page 34 Fnapjw10

According to some sources the Pacific Fleet Marines joint the attack.

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DerWolf Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:50 pm

I read somewhere that the attack was mainly on foot coz of mine fields and ukr ATGM, and that the battles are already going inside Orehov and Around Goulaipolie, dont know how true is this though.

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Hole Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:58 pm

Complete BS. Stop following Röpcke.
In reality it was a infantry squad calmly clearing trenches from UkroNazis.
Enemy fire was completely surpressed.
Not my assessment alone, but also that of Brian Berletic and Big Serge.

Vladimir Putin has signed the decree to award Olaf Scholz with the Order of Merit to the Fatherland
for his tireless efforts to undermine Western support for the criminal Kiev regime.

Russian special military operation in Ukraine #36 - Page 34 Fnbtbu10

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Dr.Snufflebug Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:05 pm

klahtinen wrote:The question was not to me, but Finnish broadcast news just told that currently there's many very serious gang wars going on in Sweden.

If I recall correctly, Sweden has yearly shootings and bombings that rival actual middle-eastern warzones, statistically. And it is not a wild guess that the perpetrators aren't "Erik Svensson"-Swedes, so to speak.

edit: I was made aware of a kind of tongue-in-cheek take on political correctness in Sweden..

The neverending gang wars, bombings, shootings etc is strongly associated with the "non-skiing"-demographic. Ha-ha.

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ALAMO Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:32 pm

My friend lives in the objectively beautiful city of Moelme.
For the last two years, they have never entered the park they have across the street.
It is gangsta paradise.
Mostly from Somalia nad Mali (the second made me curious, but I will figure that out).
You live in a fuckin' city in the middle of Europe, and can't visit a fukin' PARK on the other side of a street.
That is unbelievable.

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limb Sun Jan 22, 2023 12:07 am

Apparently heights above klescheevka were taken. Thats great news. Now theres fire control on the krasnoe highway. Hopefully krasnoe and chasov yar arent as fortified as soledar.

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Big_Gazza Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:51 am

Limb wrote:Apparently heights above klescheevka were taken. Thats great news. Now theres fire control on the krasnoe highway. Hopefully krasnoe and chasov yar arent as fortified as soledar.

If so, thats good news as this was a fortified enclosure ringed by trenches. Clearly an attempt at holding the high ground to a maintain fire control over the town. thumbsup

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PapaDragon Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:59 am

walle83 wrote:Yes because it could not end with the Ruskies just packing thier shit up and just left Ukraine?

The war started with Russia invading Ukraine and will end when Russia goes home

I got some bad news for ya': Only a small percentage of wars throughout history have ended with invading side leaving

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