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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39
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flamming_python Yesterday at 11:57 pm
Shocked No way they keep defending at this rythm. They will loose all their male population. In one year they lost the amount of people getting 18years people per year.
According to wiki 280k people reach military age every year. They just lost a generation of people in 1 year and among them their most skilled troops.
The one missing is way higher IMO. Most aren't recovered from the front whe they die.
Anyone got a link to this CNN article?
Otherwise it's for the bullshit pile
Although I suspect Ukrainian losses by now are not much lower.
It was supposed to have been on Turkish CNN but I looked and could not find it. Of course my Turkish is nonexistent.
Shocked No way they keep defending at this rythm. They will loose all their male population. In one year they lost the amount of people getting 18years people per year.
According to wiki 280k people reach military age every year. They just lost a generation of people in 1 year and among them their most skilled troops.
The one missing is way higher IMO. Most aren't recovered from the front whe they die.
Anyone got a link to this CNN article?
Otherwise it's for the bullshit pile
Although I suspect Ukrainian losses by now are not much lower.
It was supposed to have been on Turkish CNN but I looked and could not find it. Of course my Turkish is nonexistent.
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Before levelling everything in Bakhmut , once encirclement complete , then better to leaflet the area and offer any troops left leniency , if they surrendered and put weapons down . Give directions as to safe corridor . Once Ukrs troops surrendered , then photograph and fingerprint them and release , providing they sign agreement not to attack Russians . If they return , then no leniency this time .
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One thing that puzzles me is that the number of Pukraine/Washington controlled regime "crippled" is basically less than the number dead.
Whereas don't we "normally" expect the figure to be 1 to 3 or 1 to 5 etc?
So, I wonder... is the number "serious long term injury" or "crippled" actually substantially higher?
Or has the Washington regime been absolutely absymal at treating its injured?
Who knows!
I wonder what the pool of recruits left is? Surely there can't be much more than 22m or so men women and kids.
So thats 11m males, and maybe 6 or 7m males from 20 to 60 yrs of age. Perhaps some way less.
Male life expectancy in 2013 was just 66 years for men!
All very speculative but I wonder when/where the breaking point would be? Remember too that foreign soldiers are appearing eg Americans, Polaks etc.
EDIT: interesting graphic here that I've just found. Very small numbers of under 30s it would seem, but more in the 35 yrs plus male groups.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/ukraine-population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine#/media/File:Ukraine_population_pyramid_in_2023.svg
vs 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukrainepop.svg
Whereas don't we "normally" expect the figure to be 1 to 3 or 1 to 5 etc?
So, I wonder... is the number "serious long term injury" or "crippled" actually substantially higher?
Or has the Washington regime been absolutely absymal at treating its injured?
Who knows!
I wonder what the pool of recruits left is? Surely there can't be much more than 22m or so men women and kids.
So thats 11m males, and maybe 6 or 7m males from 20 to 60 yrs of age. Perhaps some way less.
Male life expectancy in 2013 was just 66 years for men!
All very speculative but I wonder when/where the breaking point would be? Remember too that foreign soldiers are appearing eg Americans, Polaks etc.
EDIT: interesting graphic here that I've just found. Very small numbers of under 30s it would seem, but more in the 35 yrs plus male groups.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/ukraine-population
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ukraine#/media/File:Ukraine_population_pyramid_in_2023.svg
vs 2017
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ukrainepop.svg
Last edited by Firebird on Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:32 pm; edited 1 time in total
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@Nomadski
They can sign whatever. But Banderites and similar nationalists will return whatever.
And pro Russians would likely be FORCED to return again, or shot by Nazis.
Only true option is death or captivity.
Maybe resistance brigades could be formed in the future tho.
They can sign whatever. But Banderites and similar nationalists will return whatever.
And pro Russians would likely be FORCED to return again, or shot by Nazis.
Only true option is death or captivity.
Maybe resistance brigades could be formed in the future tho.
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I wouldn't put much attention to the Wiki calls about the Ukro demography, as they know shit about that.
Hell, everybody actually knows shit about that, for reasons I was explaining for the last two months.
So we can easily take the "number of males military age" given by the western propaganda tool the wiki is and wipe some random ass with it.
Hell, everybody actually knows shit about that, for reasons I was explaining for the last two months.
So we can easily take the "number of males military age" given by the western propaganda tool the wiki is and wipe some random ass with it.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39
billybatts91 Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:54 pm
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@Alamo. I agree Wikipedia has v limited use. male military age available is probably substantially below what Wikipedia says. Even the UN stats are dubious.
The whole country is prob 22m approximately. But with the killed, the substantial numbers who left and the demographics even beforehand, its clear there isn't that big a pool left to recruit from.
The whole country is prob 22m approximately. But with the killed, the substantial numbers who left and the demographics even beforehand, its clear there isn't that big a pool left to recruit from.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39
PapaDragon Sat Mar 04, 2023 2:57 pm
Pavi wrote:Sun Zu once said; Leave always escape route for the enemy. If cornered, it will fight feriously untill the end.
PapaDragon said more than once: Kill always any and all enemies before they escape. They can't fight ferociously if you end them.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39
Belisarius Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:22 pm
VKS active in Donetsk
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39
flamming_python Sat Mar 04, 2023 3:58 pm
PapaDragon said more than once: Kill always any and all enemies before they escape. They can't fight ferociously if you end them.
Prigozhin & co. have already been addressing Zelensky directly to vacate his troops from Bakhmut rather than keep them there to the end, implying that his troops will let them retreat.
Which makes sense as Prigozhin likely wants to limit his own casualties from vicious urban fighting. And there is a psychological/PR angle here as well.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39
billybatts91 Sat Mar 04, 2023 4:28 pm
Marinka
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Billlybatts91 wrote: Marinka
Me doing my very best Walther von Oldenburg impersonation:
"Were there any casualties?"
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Most of the buildings would still receive a AAA rating in the US. 
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This is what places like Lvov need to look like, and all around it.
I don't see why pro Russian places should suffer and Scumopolis gets away scott free!
I don't see why pro Russian places should suffer and Scumopolis gets away scott free!
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Indeed Hole, I thought I was looking at Scranton, Pennsylvania
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Firebird wrote " They can sign whatever. But Banderites and similar nationalists will return whatever.And pro Russians would likely be FORCED to return again, or shot by Nazis.Only true option is death or captivity.Maybe resistance brigades could be formed in the future tho. " Environment is the main determinant of behaviour . So if we change their environment ( both mental and physical ) then undesirable behaviour should end . The mental ideological reorientation is compulsory for extremists , and may take several years to complete . With assessments and examination that detainees must pass . This education is so intricate and comprehensive , that without genuine love of the subject ( Anti- racism ) that no student is able to pass the exam and be released . Second is physical environment ; and if POW returned to the area , where environment full of Nazi and only way to make a living is NATO money to fight Russia , then all the education will not save them . They are released into healthy normal environment with job and chance for normal life , not back to Azov .
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Firebird, re your comment on casualties, my comment is about the Ukies. This war is a long way from normal, in particular in two ways.
First, it is an artillery war which means more blast, shrapnel and flying debris, leading to serious internal damage, limb damage and especially concussion.
Second, the front line medical support and medivac generally seem to be very basic if there at all. We never hear of field hospitals and the hospitals in the rear towns seem to be seriously overloaded.
This leads to the situation where, for the first time in a long time for a Western army, if you are injured the magic hour doesn't exist and the chance of living is low.
This leads to totally new dead/injured proportions, complicated by the unusual way that the Ukrainians are collecting the figures..
First, it is an artillery war which means more blast, shrapnel and flying debris, leading to serious internal damage, limb damage and especially concussion.
Second, the front line medical support and medivac generally seem to be very basic if there at all. We never hear of field hospitals and the hospitals in the rear towns seem to be seriously overloaded.
This leads to the situation where, for the first time in a long time for a Western army, if you are injured the magic hour doesn't exist and the chance of living is low.
This leads to totally new dead/injured proportions, complicated by the unusual way that the Ukrainians are collecting the figures..
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Benes Ayo, from Uganda, fighting for Donbass
Svatovo area
Reports that Orions are working around Ugledar
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The 280,000 per year of military age is assuming women are included. Plug in the numbers for Ukraine of births per 1000 per year and
the generously high total population of 35 million and you get this number.
So the delusional number is 140,000 and the real number is probably around 100,000. If they really had this many, then they would
not need to be dredging up 14 year olds and 60 year olds. It appears that most of the military age males have run off to save themselves.
the generously high total population of 35 million and you get this number.
So the delusional number is 140,000 and the real number is probably around 100,000. If they really had this many, then they would
not need to be dredging up 14 year olds and 60 year olds. It appears that most of the military age males have run off to save themselves.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39
owais.usmani Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:37 pm
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"Were there any casualties?"
But sure bro, there is no a single day with no casualties in Detroit.
Because that is Detroit, right?
But sure bro, there is no a single day with no casualties in Detroit.
Because that is Detroit, right?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #39
flamming_python Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:42 pm
Benes Ayo
He's from Latvia, not Uganda, and how did he get out of Latvian jail post his involvement in the political movement of the Donbass during the first way?
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The guy is fake? Shitty Twitter source! 
The King of Kings (in diplomatic circles)
Retreating Ukros.
The King of Kings (in diplomatic circles)
Retreating Ukros.
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