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    Post  Isos Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:10 pm

    Russian MoD confirmed it was a su-34 that bombed Belgorod.

    There was pictures of those gliding bomb found in hoods unexploded. It seems they have issues with the weapon pylons for them. They were created too fast as a stop gap so not well tested.

    Probably this happened

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    Post  zorobabel Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:22 pm

    RU MoD confirmed they bombed Belgorod.
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    Post  Regular Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:31 pm

    That was fast.

    Shit happens, new system, good that no one was hurt. I bet they won’t be flying over their own cities

    But don’t think Ukrainians are not getting punished for this. Air raid alarm - all over Ukraine

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:45 pm

    Summary of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on the progress of a special military operation (20.04.2023)

    ◽ In the Kupyansk direction, assault and army aviation strikes and artillery fire of the "Western" grouping of troops defeated enemy units in the areas of Masyutovka, Krakhmalne of Kharkiv Oblast, Novoselovskoye and Stelmakhovka of Luhansk People's Republic. The actions of three Ukrainian subversive and reconnaissance groups were suppressed in the areas of Sinkovka, Timkovka of Kharkiv Oblast and Rozovka of Luhansk People's Republic.

    💥 Total losses of the enemy during the day were up to 50 Ukrainian servicemen, two armored fighting vehicles and two pickup trucks.

    ◽ On the Krasno-Limansky direction, air strikes, artillery fire and heavy flame throwing systems of the Group of Forces (Forces) Center hit enemy units in the areas of Yampol, Seversk Maly and Serebryanka settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    💥 Over 60 Ukrainian servicemen, two tanks, two infantry fighting vehicles, a Gvozdika self-propelled artillery unit, and a D-30 howitzer were destroyed.

    ◽ In the Donetsk direction, assault units continued active operations to destroy the enemy in the western part of the town of Artemivsk. Airborne troops and artillery of the "Southern" grouping of troops support the assault detachments in capturing the city and suppress the enemy's attempts to counterattack on the flanks and move reserves.

    💥 Over the past 24 hours, operational and army aviation flew 10 sorties to support the actions of the assault groups. Artillery of the Southern Group of Forces carried out 64 firing missions. As a result of the strikes, AFU units in the areas of Bogdanivka, Krasnoye and Stupochka of the Donetsk People's Republic were hit.

    💥 The enemy's losses in this direction during the day amounted to 470 Ukrainian servicemen and mercenaries, three tanks, five infantry fighting vehicles, six armored fighting vehicles, four vehicles, a Grad MLRS combat vehicle, and a Msta-B howitzer. In addition, an ammunition depot of the 72nd mechanized brigade of the AFU was destroyed near the Vodyane village of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    ◽ Air strikes and artillery fire of Vostok Group of Forces in the South Donetsk and Zaporizhzhya directions defeated AFU units in the areas of Ugledar, Velyka Novoselka and Shevchenko settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic. Two Ukrainian sabotage and reconnaissance groups were suppressed in the areas of Pavlovka (Donetsk People's Republic) and Malinovka (Zaporizhzhia region).

    💥 During the day in these directions the enemy suffered losses of up to 30 Ukrainian servicemen, an armored fighting vehicle, as well as a D-30 howitzer.

    ◽ More than 15 Ukrainian servicemen, two vehicles, a US-made M777 artillery system, and two Msta-B howitzers were destroyed in the course of the day in the Kherson direction.

    💥 Operational-tactical and army aviation, missile troops and artillery of groups of troops (forces) of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation during the day struck 86 artillery units of the AFU in firing positions, manpower and equipment in 127 areas. In the vicinity of Konstantinovka settlement, the combined headquarters of the AFU Bakhmut group was hit. In addition, three command and observation posts of battalions of the 25th Airborne Brigade of the AFU and the 116th Brigade of Territorial Defense were hit in the areas of Terny and Tonenkoye settlements of the Donetsk People's Republic.

    💥 Air defense assets destroyed three Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of Vladimirovka of the Donetsk People's Republic, Kreminna and Kuzemivka of the Luhansk People's Republic.

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    Post  Backman Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:58 pm

    Strange.  Because some lowlife Ukraine politician was bragging that Belgrod was going to be hit before this happened. I can't find the telegram but I seen it 8 hours ago.

    Edit: found it   https://t.me/russianhead/13454

    Maybe Russia would rather take the L this way than say that one got past the air defense ? I dunno

    And also , F head stoltenberg was visiting Kiev today. They always do provocative shit when one of the retards is visiting. And now Kiev is being hit. Something is fishy


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    Post  Kiko Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:06 pm

    Working enterprises of Ukraine are sold for a penny, by Evgeny Pozdnyakov for VZGLYAD. 04.20.2023.

    Kyiv is looking for a way to attract Western businessmen to the war with Russia.

    The government of Ukraine has announced its readiness to sell the state-owned enterprises it owns. At the same time, Kyiv asks absolutely ridiculous money for operating factories, mining and processing plants and pharmacological enterprises. Why did Ukraine start selling off its industry and will there be businessmen in the West who are ready to buy a plant in a country whose borders are changing before our eyes?

    Ukraine is looking for investors willing to invest in the purchase of local state-owned enterprises, Bloomberg reports . According to the publication, such a decision by the office of Vladimir Zelensky is aimed at attracting Western capital to the country and strengthening the economy of the “fighting in the war” state.

    It is emphasized that the government of Ukraine deliberately sets lower prices as part of the sale of the country's property. If the authorities agree on the proposed changes, then at best they will be able to earn $400 million through the sale of enterprises and another $190 million will go to the budget from the lease of agricultural land.

    It is noted that Ukraine needs money as soon as possible for several reasons. First, at the moment, Zelensky's office is experiencing difficulties with the financing of military operations. Second, infusions of Western investment will help heal a shattered economy and overcome a legacy of corruption.

    “If we don’t sell the fund’s positions this year, then next year only real estate will be of value, and later only the land on which it stands,” emphasizes Rustem Umerov, chairman of the State Property Fund of Ukraine. He notes that the government is aware of the risks of such investments, but hopes for "brave" investors.

    According to preliminary estimates, if the plan is implemented in the near future, Zelensky's office will be able to receive $162 million this year. At the same time, Umerov emphasizes that the potential income could be four times greater, but at the moment everything depends on the parliamentarians, who will have to approve the law on the privatization of large companies.

    If the legislators decide to meet the initiators of this project halfway, then by the third quarter of this year, such enterprises as the Odessa portside plant, the Zaporozhye titanium and magnesium plant, Indar (insulin production), the Centrenergo company and the mining enrichment plants.

    Earlier, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said that support for Zelensky's office from members of the alliance exceeded 150 billion euros. Thus, the income that the government of Ukraine promises to Western investors (400 million) is not able to in any way affect the current state of affairs in the country's economy.

    “The amount of finance that Zelensky’s office wants to raise is negligible. The monthly expenses of the Ukrainian budget are several times higher than the amounts announced by Umerov. Spending colossal - there is a total deficit. Thus, the sale of these enterprises will not solve the country's economic problems,” said political scientist Larisa Shesler.

    “Accordingly, the logic of this decision is different. In my opinion, the Ukrainian authorities want to involve Western industrialists and investors in a senseless struggle with Russia, drawing their capital into Ukrainian enterprises. Now in the United States there is a rather serious problem: many businessmen do not want to continue the conflict, because military operations affect their profits,” the expert notes.

    “Thus, Zelensky’s office wants to make American and European entrepreneurs have a vested interest in Ukraine's victory. Here, a simple logic comes into play: if someone in the West invests in factories, for example, in the Mykolaiv region, then the victory of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will become a guarantee of capital preservation for them,” Shesler emphasizes.

    “This will significantly change the position of business representatives. They will start running around, fussing, trying to influence Washington and lobbying their interests in Congress so that military assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine not only continues, but also increases. This explains such low prices for enterprises: everyone understands that the conflict zone can gradually expand, but when else can you buy an enterprise for a penny? - emphasizes the interlocutor.

    “In principle, it seems to me that such investors can be found. Of course, there are very few working enterprises left in Ukraine anyway. Even fewer of those that still belong to the state. However, the Zelensky administration will find something to offer them. The main thing for them is not to provide profit to the Americans, but to create a model that works on the principle of mutual responsibility,” Shesler emphasizes.

    Economist Ivan Lizan adheres to a slightly different point of view. “The motive of the Ukrainian authorities is simple: everyone is well aware of the state of the local industry, and they are aware of the lack of intelligent personnel capable of managing it. Accordingly, the natural logic turns on: sell what is left, but quickly, in order to get at least some profit,” said Lizan.

    “However, I don’t think that Zelensky’s office will be able to find any investors. Even after 2014, Western businessmen realized that the Ukrainian market is extremely unreliable and somewhat explosive. Actually, then the situation in the country was many times calmer, but no one was particularly eager to invest in local production,” the expert emphasizes.

    “Most likely, all the money will flow into local companies. For example, let's take the sphere of titanium mining, in particular, let's talk about the Velta company. Even before the CBO, she supplied raw materials to the USA. With the beginning of the conflict, the company even decided to build a plant in the States. That is, Western capital will not enter the country directly, legally everything will look different,” the interlocutor notes.

    “They will act through local enterprises: they will simply buy them out and integrate them into the lower levels of cooperation. This is the maximum that Zelensky's office should count on. There can be no talk of any colossal capital inflows,” the expert emphasizes.

    “It's funny that the chairman of the State Property Fund of Ukraine, Rustem Umerov, in his interview refers to the solidarity factor, which should encourage entrepreneurs to invest in local enterprises. Business is business, and there can be no emotional attachment here. People in the West are used to receiving dividends from shares, and no one can guarantee that what they buy will not go to Russia in a month or two,” Lizan sums up.

    https://vz.ru/economy/2023/4/20/1208482.html

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:17 pm

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    According to Rybar, if the AFU do not counter-attack from Slaviansk and Chasiv Yar, they will be completely driven out of Bakhmut.
    The same source adds that Russian forces continue to advance slowly towards the west of the city, where in some areas Ukrainian forces have built a series of barriers that would make the assault more difficult.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:18 pm

    Currently, the number one killer of Ukrainian vehicles and equipment in Ugledar is Drones and KA-52 Alligators as more and more videos surface everyday of Ukroids getting destroyed in that area. Here we see Ukrainian armor get taken out.
    https://t.me/RandomRamblings1/24669

    Simply put, KA52 have long range ATGMs with thermals
    Ukroids dont have an offensive SAM system, so whenever they try to attack they got bonked over by ka52s since its easy pickings for them

    They tried to hit a KA-52 with an SU 25, but the 155th with MANPADS was waiting and brought the aircraft down.
    https://t.me/RandomRamblings1/24671

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:41 pm



    https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjamin/2023/04/19/leaks-reveal-reality-behind-us-propaganda-in-ukraine/

    https://jacobin.com/2023/04/ukraine-war-documents-leak-mainstream-media-joe-biden-administration
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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:51 pm

    Stolenberg in Kiev is one that that I have never gotten about this SMO. Why do transatlantic (their pronouns are asshole, c***, and benchode) get to go to Kiev without fearing they will have to stand trial before God? They should not feel safe taking publicity shots anywhere in Ukraine and the idea of going to Kiev should scare the hell out of them.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:44 am

    Because they r self righteous bastards sure of their supposed moral superiority vs. Russians' inferiority.
    "The victors r not being put on trial". They think they'll win the war & dictate the post war rules.  https://asiatimes.us14.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2049a8663daea00bd30c32cf2&id=054fc88c7e&e=5455568640

    https://youtu.be/V7CrCA7USM4
    When and how is the current offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine being prepared? What should we be prepared for? How exactly is the West trying to misinform us? Why were the Armed Forces of Ukraine ordered to hold on to Artyomovsk? What unique developments of the Russian Army are already entering the battle? Says military historian, director of the Museum of Air Defense Forces, retired colonel Yuri Knutov. https://youtu.be/ez0RV6oA9-4
    Where the Ukraine war stands now
    The current situation around the conflict in Ukraine could be described as follows:The stalemate continues with active operations at only a few points on the front, such as Bakhmut. Ukrainian forces are hobbled by a lack of trained personnel, bottlenecks in assigning personnel to new units, and problems with the supply chains for new Western weapons systems, especially a shortage of ammunition. Russian forces have a steady supply of armaments and a growing degree of air superiority, but the Russian military command lacks large-scale forces that can exploit breakthroughs. Meanwhile, the Kremlin remains wary of additional mass mobilization plans that would provoke unrest and further dislocate the Russian economy. The Russian plan seems to be to goad the Ukrainians into starting offensive operations which can be mitigated and then neutralized by Russian forces and thus suggest to the West that the war is “unwinnable” for Ukraine. This would prepare the ground for negotiations on a settlement. Smaller-scale Russian operations designed to eliminate Ukrainian artillery positions which have shelled Russian-controlled areas will continue.There will be extensive new collaboration between the Russian and the Chinese defense ministries and their respective industrial bases. Russia has demonstrated that it retains the capacity to assemble weapons as long as it has uninterrupted access to key components, which China can supply. The Chinese want to assess the performance of Russian equipment and to expand and extend defense cooperation while also continuing to drain the stocks of the United States and its allies, including South Korea and Japan, of equipment and ammunition for Ukraine – and to extend delays in delivery of orders to Taiwan. Moscow believes that it has reached a new survivable equilibrium where the economy can limp along even under Western sanctions because of offsets in increased prices for energy and other commodities.
    Stalemate at the Front
    Stalemate at the frontlines in Ukraine continues. Apparently, the Russians continue to use Bakhmut as a "meat grinder” for the Ukrainian troops because, according to some reliable sources, it costs Kiev up to 400 lives a day. Moscow believes that such losses will seriously impede any attempts to stage a full-fledged counteroffensive in the foreseeable future.
    Wagner Group detachments have been taking their time to storm the western blocks of Bakhmut. The Ukrainians are losing approximately two city blocks daily, especially in the northwest part of the city. Some sources claim that part of the Ukrainian force there is under operational encirclement.
    There were no significant changes in the area of Avdeyevka. Heavy fighting is taking place north to Vodyanoy and in Pervomaysk, and also west toward Krasnogorovka. In Ugledar, the Ukrainians have been probing Russian defenses but without visible results. In the southern flank, the Russians are observing a concentration of Ukrainian troops in the areas of Zaporozhe, Orehovo and Gulyaypole.
    Implications of document leaks: A Ukrainian offensive in Bakhmut?
    The leak of classified documents has changed the situation and around the long-advertised Ukrainian counteroffensive. In fact, the leak gives officials in Kiev an excellent opportunity to indefinitely postpone their maneuver. Yesterday, Secretary of the National Security Council Oleksiy Danilov said, “We will start the offensive when we are good and ready,” meaning that Kiev is not ready to start now.
    Well-informed observers point out that at present Kiev is amassing up to 80,000 troops north and south of Bakhmut. Some of these observers (including the Russias) believe that the Ukrainians may try to launch an offensive against the group of the Russian troops in Bakhmut, to encircle them and then thrust in the general direction of Donetsk. Given that the whole Russian army group in Ukraine comprises no more than 150,000 troops (plus 160,000 in reserve) this attempt might have some chances for success. The Russians do not have well-prepared defensive positions in this area.
    In light of the leaks, the Kremlin is becoming more concerned about the general development of the situation in Ukraine. Russian intelligence estimates claim that at present, the Ukrainians have very little chance of success in a major offensive due to a lack of modern armaments, ammunition, and long-range artillery/missiles, as well as total Russian air superiority. The Russians are worried that NATO, and the United States in particular, may deliver long-range missile systems and modern aircraft to Ukraine. They also worry that NATO, and especially Poland as a loose cannon of the alliance, may send its troops to Ukraine. This would lead to an unprecedented escalation of the confrontation with unpredictable consequences.
    Internal political risk rises with the ascent of Wagner’s Prigozhin and Chechen President Kadyrov
    At the same time, according to some well-informed sources in Moscow, prospects for long-term political instability in Russia are increasing. The war is empowering figures like Chechen President Ramadan Kadyrov and Wagner CEO Yevgeny Prigozhin, given their roles in recruiting, training and deploying forces in Ukraine. Both are personally loyal to Putin. But in the event of his death or incapacitation, they are not part of the inner Kremlin circle and have no ties of loyalty to other Kremlin figures. Both are at odds with the Defense Ministry and the security services.
    Both are currently attempting to carve out broad spheres of autonomy for their political and business activities and would resist efforts by a post-Putin figure to try and rein them in. In addition, Kadyrov is emerging as a key figure for Russia’s Muslims, while Prigozhin has become the de facto leader of an energized Russian ultra-nationalist constituency.
    The fact that both control armed forces and also have the ability to mobilize large segments of the population makes them dangerous. Some Kremlin figures like former president Dmitry Medvedev seem interested in forging closer ties to help bolster his position, which could set up conditions for a damaging split in the Kremlin should other figures seek to eliminate Prigozhin or Kadyrov as factors in Russian politics. (James Davis)


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    Post  Backman Fri Apr 21, 2023 4:49 am

    Lavrov had a little press conference about his meeting in Cuba. He mentioned economic, investment , sanctions and all that stuff. Nothing about military. Common..

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:55 am

    zorobabel wrote:RU MoD confirmed they bombed Belgorod.

    Confirmed where?
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:23 am

    TASS? My highlight  Very Happy real civil servant speak

    Ukraine Battle Map
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    In a surprising revelation, Russia has admitted to accidentally attacking its own soil

    Overnight, the Russian city of Belgorod experienced a powerful explosion injuring 2 women and causing significant damage to buildings due to a bomb dropped from a Su-34 Supersonic Bomber, TASS

    Russian Ministry of Defense: "On April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, Russian Ministry of Defense: "On April 20, during the flight of the Su-34 VKS aircraft over the city of Belgorod, an abnormal descent of aviation ammunition occurred. As a result, there is damage to residential buildings, there are no casualties. An investigation is underway."
     http://t.me/vicktop55/14751.



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    Post  Firebird Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:27 am

    100 hectares is one sq km. Pretty huge for a new cemetery. And very big for an old one. Infact its 10% larger than the biggest one in Britain. Or nearly half the size of Arlington's military cemetery in the USA. Lets hope its overwhelmingly Banderite filth and not pro-Russians or even somewhat "neutrals" to any extent. 100 hectares might have a capacity of 250k or 300k or more. The Pukraine will have a serious demographic problem when this is all over. But sadly the American monsters behind all this will have smallish losses in comparison. But with 780 (largely unwelcome) foreign bases, pride is certainly setting itself up for a fall with the Americans!

    Some jawdropping inaccuracies by James Davis in Tsavo's post. Not least the suggestion Russia only has 150k +160k troops available.

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    Post  Kiko Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:45 am

    After the death of so many young citizens, Ukraine will become almost completely deprived of relevant manpower, becoming what happened to Paraguay in the 19th century in what is called the Paraguay war against Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay. Whereby young women were allowed to have many husbands in order to increase the fertility rate and cope with its demographic problem.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:11 am

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:19 am

    The difference of course is that Ukraine will have no homeland left so the remaining women will likely become mail order brides to anyone with the cash and Ukraine will cease to be.

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    Post  Hole Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:22 am

    Belgorod experienced a powerful explosion
    I can´t see any impact. The explosion happened under the road.
    Looks more like a gas explosion.

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    Post  famschopman Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:58 am

    Purely speculative but probably the wings did not unfold and the bomb dug itself in the ground. As you can see from the video there is no explosion when it hit the ground. The timer kept going as it probably was programmed on a specific flight duration with wings unfolded. Then it went off.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:19 am



    Ukraine 's offensive will probably start in autumn . Only then will they reach a certain amount of western tanks and equipment.

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    Post  Firebird Fri Apr 21, 2023 11:22 am

    You have to wonder whether a lot of physically attractive (and unattractive) young women will move to America/Europe.
    Sadly a lot of them will be extremely ugly on the inside given their fondness for Banderism and the like.
    I really hope the pro-Russian half of the former Ukraine (esp males) have escaped as much as possible.


    I wonder how much Russia will re-Russify its parts. Hopefully completely. Some have predicted a Golden Age for Russia in the reconstruction, a birth rate and economic boom and so on. The Southern Ukraine has a good climate and pleasant landscape, not least the nature and beaches. The Eastern industrial cities, whilst pro Russian will need much modernisation and rebuilding. Kiev was a beautiful city until the influx of vermin from the West.

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    Post  flamming_python Fri Apr 21, 2023 12:29 pm

    But in the event of his death or incapacitation, they are not part of the inner Kremlin circle and have no ties of loyalty to other Kremlin figures. Both are at odds with the Defense Ministry and the security services.

    Reading between the lines, the theme behind this article is that of assassinating Putin in order in the hopes of provoking a power struggle in Russia. Maybe that's what the NATO plan for winning the war is.

    I say that as well because this appears to be quite a serious and well-researched article, not the typical unrealistic propaganda hit-pieces about Russia running out of shells, spontaneously collapsing or whatever. And it doesn't appear wildly optimistic about the chances of success for the Ukrainian counter-offensive either. There are a few errors present as Firebird said, or should I say evidence of wishful thinking on the part of the author; but they're subtle.

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    Post  famschopman Fri Apr 21, 2023 1:43 pm

    The longer Russian military leadership prolongs the SMO the more time US/NATO gets to mitigate the current deficiencies; in producing armor and ammunition but also in getting all of that logistically moved into Ukraine. If provides for too much wiggle room to also convince other so called partners to send more equipment, ultimately also jets like the F16 which are not indestructible but for sure will become a threat to Russian aircrews. We are just arm chair experts but it just makes me wonder.

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