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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:27 am

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44 - Page 25 Fym2dj10
    Zaporoshye front
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    Kremmenaya area, some claim syrian volunteers
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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:28 am

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    In fear of being send to "Ukraine", a truck in Riga burned himself. lol1

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:40 am

    Hole wrote:
    In fear of being send to "Ukraine", a truck in Riga burned himself. lol1

    Not just any truck, that looks to be a diesel tanker. Interesting that even on the flatbed it had fuel in it. Critical logistics. Might not be going to Ukraine, there are big army exercises up there.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:46 am

    No Strikers yet either. Or Gepards come to that,

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    Kiev is in no hurry to bring British Challenger tanks and Marder infantry fighting vehicles into battle, BILD reports.

    So far, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are attacking only with German Leopard tanks and American Bradley infantry fighting vehicles.

    This means that a larger offensive is yet to come - with the participation of all shock brigades trained in the West, writes the German edition.

    Another German publication, Welt, predicts how this offensive will end, comparing it with the offensive of the Wehrmacht on the Kursk Bulge in 1943:

    "The current situation in the zone of the special operation is reminiscent of the eve of the Battle of Kursk, and the Armed Forces of Ukraine repeat exactly the same miscalculations as the command of the German Wehrmacht," Welt columnist Johann Althaus said.

    In his opinion, the likelihood that the outcome of the upcoming "counteroffensive" of Ukraine will be the same as that of the Wehrmacht is almost one hundred percent.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:50 am

    What is happening here?

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:52 am

    Some helicopter crews could do well out of this. Hope they don't take silly risks.


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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:56 am

    The challenge that non smart ammo presents, actually hitting the target

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:06 pm

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44 - Page 25 Fypdkf10
    What Leo2 doing?

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    Post  Firebird Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:11 pm

    I always think that certain patterns can be discernable before the MSM is forced to admit them.
    But Western MSM telegraphs its intentions because it assumes most people believe them.

    In Britain there was a nasty rant against N Korea in the "news" this week.
    Does this mean the globalists will give up on the Pukraine soon and become obsessed with China/N Korea as the next "evil enemy"?

    Also, the credit and financial markets have changed markedly in England. Substantial inflation, huge cost of living crisis which I think will get worse and worse.  The media skates around the causes. But some corporations have been admitting why to their customers. In spite of this, I've detected the banks starting to change their stance a little on credit restriction to corporations. Which sounds slightly at odds with the backdrop to it all.

    So again... I wonder... is the West veering towards bailing out of its meddling in the Pukraine? Or is the end of its support for the Banderafilth on the horizon.

    Either way, I hope Russia remembers who its enemies are in all of this. It should NOT be "business as usual" after. Thousands of Russians have been murdered by the Atlanticist demons. So the demons can't expect to crawl back and get cheap food and oil and gas etc!

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:08 pm

    Hole wrote:Russian special military operation in Ukraine #44 - Page 25 Fypdkf10
    What Leo2 doing?

    Cosplaying as SS Tiger tank at Kursk, it even looks like a damn thing, no design subtlety there Wink



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    Post  Sprut-B Thu Jun 15, 2023 1:36 pm

    Sergey Karaganov: By using its nuclear weapons, Russia could save humanity from a global catastrophe


    In 75 years of relative peace, people have forgotten the horrors of war, have stopped fearing even nuclear weapons. Everywhere, but especially in the West, the instinct for self-preservation has weakened.

    I have spent many years studying the history of nuclear strategy and have come to an unequivocal, if unscientific, conclusion.
    The advent of nuclear weapons is the result of the intervention of the Almighty, who, appalled that mankind had unleashed two world wars within a generation, costing tens of millions of lives, gave us the weapons of Armageddon to show those who had lost their fear of hell that it existed.
    On that fear rested the relative peace of the last three-quarters of a century.

    But now that fear is gone. The unthinkable in terms of previous notions of nuclear deterrence is happening – a group of ruling elites, in a fit of desperate rage, have unleashed a full-scale war in the underbelly of a nuclear superpower.

    The fear of atomic escalation must be restored. Otherwise humanity is doomed.

    The credibility of nuclear deterrence must be restored by lowering the unacceptably high threshold for the use of atomic weapons and by moving cautiously but quickly up the ladder of deterrence-escalation. The first steps have already been taken through statements to this effect by the president and other leaders, by beginning to deploy nuclear weapons and their delivery vehicles in Belarus, and by increasing the combat effectiveness of the strategic deterrent forces.
    There are quite a few steps on this ladder. I count about two dozen. It could even go as far as warning our compatriots and all people of good will about the need to leave their homes near the objects of possible nuclear strikes in countries directly supporting the Kiev regime. The enemy must know that we are ready to launch a preemptive retaliatory strike in response to its current and past aggression in order to prevent a slide into a global thermonuclear war.

    I have often said and written that with the right strategy of deterrence and even use, the risk of a ‘retaliatory’ nuclear or other strike on our territory can be minimized. Only if there is a madman in the White House who also hates his own country will the US decide to strike in ‘defense’ of the Europeans and invite retaliation by sacrificing a hypothetical Boston for a notional Poznan. The Americans and the Western Europeans are well aware of this, they just prefer not to think about it.
    We, too, have contributed to this recklessness with our peace-loving pronouncements. Having studied the history of US nuclear strategy, I know that after the USSR acquired a credible nuclear retaliatory capability, Washington never seriously considered using nuclear weapons on Soviet territory, even though it publicly bluffed. When nuclear weapons were considered, it was only against "advancing" Soviet forces in Western Europe. I know that the late Chancellors Helmut Kohl and Helmut Schmidt fled from their bunkers as soon as the question of such use came up in an exercise.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:15 pm


    ^^^ Been saying this for years


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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:19 pm

    Arrow wrote:Ok shots of Russian ATGMs visible in thermal imaging.

    https://t.me/ok_spn/25155

    This is some quality thermals, not that other junk

    I like it thumbsup



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    Post  Regular Thu Jun 15, 2023 2:42 pm

    SSO teams have been using them for ages. Mostly to hunt DRG groups and lay artillery support on them.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:02 pm

    In 75 years of relative peace, people have forgotten the horrors of war, have stopped fearing even nuclear weapons. Everywhere, but especially in the West, the instinct for self-preservation has weakened.

    Sadly I agree, the west is a bunch of colonial bastards who have a very fine view of themselves and a low opinion of everyone else and it seems to me they think Putin is weak and stupid and because he will never use nukes first that they can push and push and push and make this conflict longer and more bloody and eventually Russia will sign whatever they want to put in front of them to make the conflict end.

    If HATO countries send troops into Ukraine... say they have Kiev invite them in, well Russia needs to do something because once they are in they will never leave, so a threat of nukes on HATO troops inside Ukraines territory is necessary.

    The other use of nukes I could see happening would be if any HATO countries decided to move on Kaliningrad but I suspect that would be unlikely too.

    The west has to realise there is a price for its escalation and continuing this conflict beyond what it needs to be... the first consequence of course is that instead of Kiev losing four regions plus the Crimea that they will now lose territory from which HATO weapons can be launched on those territories... so regions that voted to join the RF plus 150km buffer zone so that Kiev cannot continue to shell Russian territory like they did over the last decade... and once that 150km zone has been liberated of Kievs troops the locals might decide they want to join the RF too which means a further push 150km to the west to ensure that new region is safe.... until the buffer region does not want to join the RF or they get to the international border with the next country.

    Artillery fire over an international border is an act of war and the international borders to the west of the Ukraine will be Moldova or HATO countries... I doubt Moldova will start anything and nukes for any HATO country wanting to start anything.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Jun 15, 2023 3:22 pm

    Good article from Doug McGregor - source

    Presidents lie when it suits their purpose. Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Lyndon B. Johnson all promised Americans that they would not send American boys to die in foreign wars. President Joe Biden, however, is arguably the first to make public predictions that invariably came true in reverse.

    Instead of deterring China, the Taiwanese electorate is likely to elect a new government that favors reunification with Beijing. Rather than collapsing the Russian economy, Biden’s proxy war is destroying the economically fragile European Union. Instead of realizing Francis Fukuyama’s “Rebirth of the West,” Washington’s policies are accelerating its decline. And instead of preventing the emergence of a new coalition or axis of illiberal powers—including Russia, China, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia and others—Washington has cemented these relationships to the detriment of Western interests.

    Ukraine’s “spring” and now summer offensive operation is stalled, if not defeated. Exact numbers of Ukrainian dead and wounded are not yet available, but the number of Ukrainian soldiers killed in action in the latest onslaught reportedly number in the thousands, along with many more wounded. Tank and armored-fighting-vehicle losses have also been significant. Meanwhile, Russian losses in response to the offensive are reported to be relatively negligible, with Russian soldiers killed and wounded in action only in the hundreds.

    Americans must understand that that there is no more difficult and complex military operation than a deliberate attack to penetrate prepared enemy defenses. Remember, the German army, arguably the best trained and most competently led army in the last 100 years, opted in 1940 to avoid frontally assaulting the Maginot Line.

    Cracking deliberate defenses is so difficult, so time- and resource-consuming, that U.S. ground forces rarely practice it in peacetime, nor do U.S. Army officers study it in detail as Russian officers do. U.S. and British advisors were no doubt limited in their ability to lend much assistance in launching this offensive to Ukrainian forces that already lacked sufficient artillery, engineers, and air defense systems. In addition, Russian integrated air defenses have neutralized opposing airpower.

    Predictably, Ukrainian forces were compelled to attack under persistent Russian surveillance through the 15 to 25 kilometer security zone in front of Russia’s main defensive belts. Again and again, Russian forces in the security zone withdrew from forward outposts to prepared defensive positions just ahead of the main defensive belt. Ukrainians moved forward only to be crushed by artillery supported by Russian attack helicopters firing precision rockets from behind Russian lines that have a longer range than U.S. Hellfire missiles.

    During the attacks, Ukrainian columns stumbled into minefields that canalized their movement into areas where a combination of massive drone and artillery strikes broke up the attacking formations. Meanwhile, Russian forces reportedly employed aerially delivered mines behind advancing Ukrainian forces. As a result, when attacking Ukrainian forces sought to disengage from the death traps and withdraw to their own lines, Russian forces employed loitering munitions to destroy the remaining Ukrainian troops stuck in minefields on all sides.

    The question in Moscow: What happens next? Ukraine may still possess roughly twelve brigades in reserve that could be committed to more attacks in the days or weeks ahead, but committing these reserves may strain the Ukrainian manpower pool to the breaking point. Thus, the probability is quite high that Russian forces will move aggressively against Ukraine. Moscow has options.

    First, Moscow can attack to seize and secure either Odessa or Kharkov. Along with Kharkov, Odessa is one of the two historically Russian cities Moscow promised will be returned to Russian control. Aside from Odessa’s enormous strategic value in terms of cutting off Ukraine from the Black Sea, Odessa was also the scene of horrific atrocities committed against Russians during the Maidan Revolution. These events are still vivid in the Russian memory.

    In addition, any Ukrainian attempts to reinforce Odessa in the event of a Russian attack will endure a storm of precision rocket/missile/artillery/drone strikes. And a Ukrainian move south toward Odessa would also risk Russian attack from Belarus. Finally, Odessa lies close to the largest concentration of Russian forces and, hundreds of miles from Ukrainian forces in the north. If Odessa becomes the operational objective, expect the heavily reinforced Wagner Group to play a major role in clearing Odessa of Ukrainian troops including Ukrainians who stay behind to fight on as guerillas.

    Two, once Odessa is seized, Moscow may well pause to see if Berlin or Paris will negotiate an end to the conflict. If there is no willingness to negotiate, Kharkov along with more of Eastern Ukraine will likely rapidly fall into Russian hands. This incremental approach is consistent with Moscow’s desire to avoid sudden, large-scale, sweeping offensive action that might precipitate U.S.-led intervention.

    In Europe, the economic picture is grim, and European populations, especially the German people, are turning against Washington’s proxy war. The newest polls now place the Alternative for Germany (AFD) Party as the second-largest political force in German politics. Given P.M. Olaf Scholz’s suicidal policies of de-industrializing Germany and opening Germany’s borders to still more unwanted and unaffordable refugees and migrants, perhaps the AFD can put together a “coalition of the rational” to remove Scholz and negotiate with Moscow?

    A short time ago, Poland’s leadership advocated for NATO intervention to fight shoulder to shoulder with Ukrainians against Russia. Now, Polish President Andrzej Duda says that the Russian steamroller is crushing Ukraine, with hundreds of Ukrainian soldiers dying on the front lines every day. Popular Polish support for Ukrainian refugees is also drying up.

    Inside the United States, Americans are discovering that for President Biden and his administration, “democracy” really translates into Blue State Overlordship. This regime is buttressed by the destruction of U.S. election integrity and the transformation of the U.S. Justice Department into a Leninist instrument of social hygiene, aimed at suppressing or eliminating legitimate American political opposition. In an ingenious stroke only a Bolshevik could admire, the Biden administration transformed national strategy into a globalist struggle to subjugate opponents at home and overseas.

    Now is a good time to negotiate, because it is Washington, not Moscow, that needs an off-ramp from multiple disasters. The failed war in Ukraine, America’s weakening economy, rising nationwide criminality, and open borders crisis beg for decisive action.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:14 pm

    Just like the Navajo in WW2

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    The backbone of the reconnaissance group of the Central Military District is Tuvan by ethnicity, so we don't have to waste time on code words and designations when negotiating over the radio": Russia insidiously uses its multinationality as a weapon

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    Post  mnztr Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    In 75 years of relative peace, people have forgotten the horrors of war, have stopped fearing even nuclear weapons. Everywhere, but especially in the West, the instinct for self-preservation has weakened.


    The press and muzzling of the press is responsible for this. Unlike the Vietnam war where the horrors of war were beamed right into living rooms, its all sanitized now. Some of the horrors leak through in the SMO but not on mainstream media. Russian media should beam in all its explicit gory glory. So Ukrainians how their sons are dying. I have seen a few that are quite haunting. Like vehicles hit and men on fire running until they drop dead show people what it is they are supporting. Tell them why you are showing it. Its not war porn. Its to remind people what war is.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:17 pm

    Two, once Odessa is seized, Moscow may well pause to see if Berlin or Paris will negotiate an end to the conflict. If there is no willingness to negotiate, Kharkov along with more of Eastern Ukraine will likely rapidly fall into Russian hands.
    I think it´s the other way round. First Kharkov and later Odessa.

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    Post  Mir Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:48 pm

    404's military is getting depleted at a rapid rate now - so how about both? Smile

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    Post  Mir Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:57 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Kiev is in no hurry to bring British Challenger tanks and Marder infantry fighting vehicles into battle, BILD reports.

    Do they expect the 18 Challengers and 40(?) Marders to turn the tide? Don't think so! Laughing

    Those Marders were pretty impressive when they first appeared but they will probably do even worse than the Bradleys.
    The Challengers were the first to arrive but they are keeping the best for last by the looks of it. What a Face

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    Post  owais.usmani Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:16 pm

    Serberus wrote:A few pages back someone asked where Mi-28 is…

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:25 pm

    Ukraine's intelligence chief injured after Russian attack, 06.15.2023.

    KHERSON REGION —Sputnik) - The head of Ukrainian military intelligence, Kirill Budanov, who promised to "kill Russian nationals anywhere on the globe until Ukraine achieves a complete victory," was injured in a Russian missile attack on the headquarters of the General Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defence Ministry.

    "According to the information received by the Russian security services from sources of the GUR [General Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine] of Ukraine, it became known that Kirill Budanov was injured in a Russian attack launched on the morning of May 29 against the GUR building," a Russian security services official told Sputnik, citing a source in the Ukrainian military intelligence.

    He said that the Russian missile hit the office next to Budanov's, who was then extracted from under the rubble and evacuated to the Rzeszow military base in Poland.

    According to the source, an American plane transferred Budanov from Poland to Berlin.

    The head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defenc.e Ministry stated that "Ukraine killed and will continue to kill Russians all over the world." These statements were made in an interview for Yahoo News, when Budanov was asked if Kiev is involved in the murder of Russian political scientist Daria Dugina. His words came the day after Russian writer and militant Zakhar Prilepin was injured in an explosion, and his comrade died. The suspect of the attack on Prilepin confessed that he was recruited by the Ukrainian security services and was acting on their instructions.

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that the statements of the Ukrainian authorities about their readiness to "kill Russians all over the world" prove that Kiev became not only a sponsor, but a direct organizer of terrorist acts. He added that this confirms once again that the decision to launch the special military operation was correct.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:38 pm

    Further details:

    The source reported a serious injury to the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Budanov, 06.15.2023.

    Head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine Budanov was seriously wounded and is in Berlin.

    GENICHESKY (Kherson region), June 15 - RIA Novosti. The head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine, Kirill Budanov, was injured during a Russian missile attack on the headquarters of the Main Intelligence Directorate in Kyiv, an employee of law enforcement agencies told RIA Novosti.

    "According to the information received by the Russian security forces from sources in the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, it became known that Kirill Budanov was injured during a Russian strike on the morning of May 29 on the building of the Main Intelligence Directorate located on Rybalsky Island in Kiev. A Russian missile flew into the neighboring office with Budanov," he said.

    According to the interlocutor of the agency, Budanov managed to be pulled out from under the rubble, after which he was evacuated by helicopter to the Rzeszow military base in Poland, and from there - by the C-21A aircraft 84-0087 of the 86th Air Medical Evacuation Squadron of the US Air Force, specially arrived from the Ramstein airbase. he was taken to Berlin. The record of the flight is also preserved in the data of the Flightaradar service.

    Sources in the Ukrainian military intelligence have named the exact place where Budanov is being treated - this is the Bundeswehr hospital in Berlin at Scharnhorststrasse, 13. According to him, there is information that the head of the GUR is now in serious condition.

    On May 29, the Russian Defence Ministry announced a massive missile attack on Ukrainian airfields, command posts, and radar posts. Ukrainian channels, citing the people of Kiev, wrote about arrivals in the area of ​​​​the office of the Main Intelligence Directorate on Rybalsky Island, traffic was blocked there. The next day, former deputy of the Verkhovna Rada Ilya Kiva announced the destruction of the intelligence headquarters.

    Moreover, it was from May 29 that Budanov did not appear in public. On that day at 15:20, he posted a video on his Telegram channel in which he threatened Moscow with an early response to missile strikes. According to Flightradar, the plane for Budanov took off a few hours earlier, but it is not clear from the video when it was filmed. In Kiev, they denied the spreading news about the death of Budanov , but they did not say anything about his injury, or about where he was and in what condition.

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