Russian special military operation in Ukraine #45

Werewolf wrote:Sprut-B, that's a very gruesome video.
Make a visible REDish or visiually outstanding that it is gruesome.
The front is hell and stepping on a mine that blows up your foot and your body 1 meter into the air that is already hell.

I must say that guy was really calm and did put a tornique on his foot.

I would rather kill my superior than go to the front on a minefield and artillery hell, especially with such Nazis there.

Not calm, just in shock

Pain will kick in in several minutes

What the hell were they even doing? Sprinting through minefield? That's Looney Tunes level of logic

Either roll dice and use APC or don't go in

Seriously, what was the plan?

Sujoy wrote:Gorkhas have always been a bunch of mercenaries. Now, they are joining the military of Russia and also Ukraine. And even French Foreign Legion and the U.S Army. China is also raising a gorkha regiment.

https://thediplomat.com/2023/06/why-nepalis-are-fighting-on-both-sides-of-the-russia-ukraine-war/

The very last thing Russia needs right now is more mercenaries

lancelot wrote:

Sujoy wrote:In the months ahead Russian forces will have to deal with the AMRAAM equipped F-16 and Gripen.

Perhaps [one of] the answer is Su-35S armed with  R-73/74M, R-771-1, R-37M. Ukrainian pilots will have to duck low to avoid this threat.

They will still be outmatched by the Su-35S and MiG-31BM with R-77-1 and R-37M combo. I am not sure if I believe the claims that the R-77-1 has the same 110 km range as the export version of the missile either.

They will be outmatched in the information sphere first of all.
No NATO recon plane will get closer than few hundred km from the battlefield. They won't cross the Ukrainian border, so just look at the map and make a circle.
If any AWACS will get within 150 km range to Crimea, they will simply fry it. Like they did a few years ago over Poland.
So make a circles again.
So we are talking about absolute informational dominance, when the Russian EW&C system is well developed along/over the entire frontline, reaching some 400 km inside the 404. And immune to any retaliation attacks, while any radar that will be turned on on the other side, will be toasted in a matter of minutes.

Wonder what sort of missiles they will provide with their fighter aircraft.... I remember in the 1980s the US encouraged rebels in some conflict in south America to abscond with their Mi-24 Hind helicopters... promised them lots of money and a job for them and their families... I seem to recall no pilots actually collected on that offer but the result was that that country was rather more cagey about how often they let pilots fly Mi-24s which was about as good as their plan worked and of course with no one collecting it was free.

F-16s are single crew aircraft so getting a guy to go through all that training with the risk of getting shot down... might be worth offering amnesty to land it in Russia... but then you have the risk of a double bluff... flys to Russia but instead of landing shoots up the airfield and tries to fly back to friendly airspace...

I would say the air defences over Ukraine would make any flight by western fighters rather short and unproductive.

Equally if they are giving Kiev fighters who is to say they wont give them AWACS so if an AWACS aircraft is directing Ukrainian fighters over Ukrainian airspace does that not make that AWACS aircraft fair game... no matter whose airspace it is operating in?


Their rules on the use of nukes basically state that a threat to Russian territorial integrity means they can be used, so Kievs forces attack the Donbass (now part of the RF) would not qualify, but Polish or Baltic forces entering Ukraine or Kaliningrad would mean a HATO attack which does risk RF territory so any HATO troop concentrations forming up to enter Ukraine or Kaliningrad would be fair game and as it was defensive then Article 5 does not qualify.

No matter the missile that will be supplied along with F-16.
The best they can get is ex-Euro MLU versions. There are lot of different configs of it, but the clue is that nobody will give away the most modern ones. That gives a big question mark for AIM120D version, as that is one of the latest mods out there.
And even if, it will be outgunned in any case, and in most of the cases I hardly believe it will even know what killed it.
As Russkie won't run out of missiles in any case, while all Euro F-16 account for around 300 pcs, no idea how many airworthy, this will be just another turkey shooting. Russkie pilots aces ranks will seriously increase after.

I think the main issue is that they will use Link 16 to connect the F-16s with the NATO AWACS outside the Ukrainian border to target Russian aircraft wrote:

Or they will operate in the international waters of the Black Sea. And it's close to the battlefield.

I would say the Russians would have to declare a no fly zone at the very least over all of the Ukraine, and possibly over some HATO countries if they detect aircraft taking off from HATO countries and entering the conflict.

I would say the use of F-16s from HATO countries means this conflict is being run by HATO and supported by HATO so things like the US embassy will need to be eliminated and resources of the Ukraine targeted including everything they have not targeted yet...

That is the advantage of being nice to start with because then you have somewhere to escalate to...

lancelot wrote:I think the main issue is that they will use Link 16 to connect the F-16s with the NATO AWACS outside the Ukrainian border to target Russian aircraft. Then Russia will have to decide if they will shoot down those AWACS aircraft or not.

They won't, because it will not be in range, and that's the point.
There will be no NATO EW&C assets inside Ukro airspace, which means that there will be no radar coverage of the battlefield.
Ukraine is a huge country, bigger than most of the European ones. You can't control its airspace from the borderline.
What's more, those assets won't even come close to the Russian shore - Russkie don't give a fuk and just frost them with ECM emission. They did that several times in the past. And the funny part is, that NATO de facto formally acknowledged, that Russian ECM is the best on the planet at the moment, and they can't even figure out what hit them in some of the cases. That happened in Syria, in Crimea surroundings, close to Kaliningrad, on Sachalin ... just get to close, and you get a nice emission that will fry your fancy craft to the last diode.

Russian Tu-22M3 bombers are striking with X-22/32 missiles from Sumy to Zaporozhye. Successful arrivals are already being noted.
Zlatti71


Advancing


T-72B with some add-ons. 

Those add ons are so much ridiculous, that I suppose the goal is to pretend Leopard to the recon

Those may pretend that the unit is more powerful than it is real, forcing Russkie to locate reinforcements where there is no need for that. At the expense of other parts of the frontline.
But that is just my opinion, I simply see no clue in this kind of add ons other than to mistake a tank with other.

Tony
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The head of the Polish-Lithuanian corps, Yaroslav Mokshytskyi, has been appointed to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine to be responsible for planning "peacekeeping operation"

It is reported that Yaroslav Mokshitsky has been formally appointed Reznikov's adviser on peacekeeping operations and interaction with the Ostrozhsky Lithuanian-Polish-Ukrainian Brigade (formed in 2015 as a unit for peace keeping missions)

At the moment, this brigade has several thousand servicemen, and information about its introduction as a "peacekeeping contingent" into the Lviv region has been discussed for several months.

Opinions are increasingly appearing that the western regions of Ukraine will become part of the EU and NATO,

Could be good news. Not much support in Washington for a false flag at ZNPP

Chebureki Man
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John Kirby tossed Zelensky and Deepfake Budanov under the bus, concerning claims of a radiological terrorist plot by Russia at the Zaporozhye NPP.

Kirby stated that he did not "have anything to confirm them or speak to the validity of them" and that site monitoring "detected no elevated levels of radioactivity."

Zelensky's game seems to be purely about whipping up nuclear terrorism hysteria, in hopes that it will spark some kind of a deeper UN/US/NATO response.

Strange the Western media seems to have missed this little story. Then again, they were quite busy promoting Prigozhin to anti-Putin freedom fighter and cheering for the overthrow of the Russian govt.

The Ukrainian president recently accused Russia of allegedly plotting a “terrorist attack” at the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant .

The US cannot confirm the recent claim made by Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky that Moscow is plotting a “terrorist attack” at the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, National Security Council spokesman John Kirby has stated.

Another post

White House transcript:

Q Okay. And one more question on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. There’s a little bit of confusion. I think President Zelenskyy is saying — or was — said yesterday that Russia is plotting a terror attack on the nuclear power plant. President Putin today is urging the International Atomic Energy Agency to ensure that Ukraine does not attack the power plant. What is the administration’s understanding on this? What’s your assessment? And are there anything that you’re doing in particular to that issue?

MR. KIRBY: We’re continuing to monitor it closely. We are able to monitor some radiation sensors that are around the plant. And thus far, we’ve detected no elevated levels of radioactivity.

Q Do you have any sense of who’s going to attack, if anyone is?

MR. KIRBY: Look, I’ve seen those reports. I’ve seen those comments. I just don’t have anything to confirm them or speak to the validity of them.

The only other thing I’d say, and we’ve said this before too, is that I think we should all be able to agree that a nuclear power plant is not a great site for military operations, one way or the other.

https://whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/

kvs wrote:Some piece of Ukria may become part of the EU and NATzO. The tone of all these quotes is delusional as if NATzO just has to fart
in Russia's general direction to win the war for Kiev.

That doesn't mean they should get it for free

If NATO goes into any part of Ukraine and Russia doesn't use it as excuse to start killing them then it really does mean that they just have to fart in Russia's general direction to win the war for Kiev

And it's a valid assumption, everything Russians did (and didn't do) so far indicates so