Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46

If Lancet has autonomous mode where it can engage without operator link, a swarm of drones with neural network might be highly susceptible to hacking.

I presume there is no "AI" in the missile, it's run by an expert system. Which is dynamically programmable using neural network output data. Which runs somewhere on normal servers on fixed site and feeds itself with missile's sensors.

zare wrote:If Lancet has autonomous mode where it can engage without operator link, a swarm of drones with neural network might be highly susceptible to hacking.

I presume there is no "AI" in the missile, it's run by an expert system. Which is dynamically programmable using neural network output data. Which runs somewhere on normal servers on fixed site and feeds itself with missile's sensors.

Neural networks are not real AI, as experts know it

The term AI is a catchall term , used in AI gimmicks being sold off to consumers for monthly accounts paid on GPT4 or other pseudo Chatbots being passed off as AI

Neural networks are also a victim of this treatment

Nonetheless, highly programmed Neural networks can perform highly niche functions, like search and destroy missions, or civilian tasks like package delivery , and to be fair, it is an autonomous process  once the payload (algorithmic sequences of instruction) is launched

As far as hacking is concerned, you cannot hack it as it is closed loop, the neural network in found on the computers that are onboard

The only hacking vulnerability would be to hack Russian networks and corrupting the data in them , but these are probably very protected and would require espionage within ZALA to exploit a vulnerability

The use of neural networks is still in an infant stage

Uran-9 with a neural network could also do serious damage in a high EW environment, and using neural network to recognize human silhouettes and just blasting them with canister rounds , or cumulative HE

Or even remote artillery systems , MLRS with self driving feature can arrive to a location, receive targeting data from a drone which itself is commanded by neural networking

The entire reconnaissance strike complex can be automated

Russia will achieve this first,  as it is the at the forefront of automating these systems since the Perimetr system was first introduced

Automation was a very big interest of the Soviet weapon design bureaus

And development of the S70, and other autonomous systems will be updated as neural networks themselves improve and processing power improves their development

Another area which must improve is the use of Strelets-M

I know spetsnaz use Strelets and that's how KH29 and KH38 are fucking the svidomites,  

But strelets and Sagittarius are very important for regular ground troops

When the end of the counteroink is official I will be interested to read how the 58th CAA fucked the NATO grouping at Rabotino for 8 weeks straight

How did they do it? Was Saggitarius a major instrument to identification of large svidomite groupings?

Was RZO and remote mining with "Agriculture" effective because of systems like these?

How about KA52 being nearly everywhere they appeared?

Were ukro groupings were plotted on this digital map, allowing KA52 to simply appear anywhere they were identified?

This is what Ratnik program was really about , network centricity

We see Ukros are able to coordinate because of Planshett systems,

And I wonder if ours are using Strelets/Saggitarius and that is why the counteroink was so rapidly degraded

Via near instant targeting of pig troops

not sparing shells.

Good. This way they will run out of ammo faster.

Screens from Virazh-Planshet Ukro AD 

Looks like fun. At least for one side. 

There is seriously nowhere to run and hide

You can´t run from Skynet... 

There was some insane coverage made by the German television from the training ground in Germany.
Part of it was an interview with trained soldiers.
The most hilarious part is that the German translation does not match the words of a soldier is saying in Russian...
They have just cut part of it and left it untranslated.

What was he saying? Well ... mildly speaking, he contested the capability of Bundeswehr instructors to train anyone, as they had no clue of how this war is being carried.
Asked what are the Bundeswehr instructions for operating in a heavy mine warfare, the instructor's answer was bypass the minefield...
So he was asked how the heck are they going to bypass a minefield that is not 100-200 m wide but exists everywhere ...
The German instructor had nothing to say to them other than go and die there, you bastards.

Arkanghelsk wrote:Neural networks are not real AI, as experts know it

The term AI is a catchall term , used in AI gimmicks being sold off to consumers for monthly accounts paid on GPT4 or other pseudo Chatbots being passed off as AI

Neural networks are also a victim of this treatment

Nonetheless, highly programmed Neural networks can perform highly niche functions, like search and destroy missions, or civilian tasks like package delivery , and to be fair, it is an autonomous process  once the payload (algorithmic sequences of instruction) is launched

As far as hacking is concerned, you cannot hack it as it is closed loop, the neural network in found on the computers that are onboard

The only hacking vulnerability would be to hack Russian networks and corrupting the data in them , but these are probably very protected and would require espionage within ZALA to exploit a vulnerability

The Chat GPT and analogous systems are real AI. You can make the argument that the previous generation of systems were not, with which I have had some experience with, not only neural networks but also things like genetic algorithms and expert systems. They were useful tools, but you wouldn't describe them as more than tools or algorithms. You had to expend a lot of effort to set them up or train them for the various narrow use cases in which they could achieve results that conventional algorithms or mathematics could not, and in general they were restricted to narrow domains.

With the new generation though we seem to have hit a point where AI has become general enough, sophisticated enough and pre-trained to the point where its potential use-cases have expanded across the whole spectrum of software and internet use. What's more they're also evidently approaching closer to self-replication too, as Chat GPT itself can be used to gain advice on how to improve Chat GPT and other current AIs.
That it's a glorified chat-bot or whatever its mechanism of operation is not necessarily so important. There is such a concept as emergent behaviour coming about from an arrangement of simpler parts. From a certain perspective, human beings can be portrayed as glorified chat-bots, or upright chimps too.

So think of this watershed as analogous to when computers made the switch from large mainframes restricted to military, scientific, etc... use to personal computers that were small, inexpensive and useful enough for common people to start buying and using them.

Now what they're not of course, are sentient, self-aware intelligences or life-forms. That's something quite different.
In the case of Chat GPT and its competitors, we can see that they have in evidence 'imaginations' of a sort which work much like our own, when they come up with contextually fitting but factually incorrect answers, or when they're asked to generate images from words. There are other similarities to human thought processes too in evidence. What you won't find of course are life-processes; such as metabolisms, survival instincts, reproduction, competition for resources with others or Darwinian evolution. So these are essentially disembodied intelligences devoid of or not limited by life. They're both artificial and intelligent in the purest senses of these words.

Note that there are efforts underway to develop and train neural networks as physical mechanisms, not just virtually in software. Two examples are via analogue computers and by artificially growing rat neurons.




As this tech matures, it could become the base for such disembodied intelligences for robots and various machinery, rather than the aforementioned software emulation of neurons that we see today.

If NATO training standards don´t cover something, like minefields larger than 100x200m, it doesn´t exist.
Thinking otherwise makes you a russian troll.

Thank you bro, I stand corrected from now on!

SiegHeil wrote:Moving children out of a war zone is not a war crime... and is fucking hilarious considering the white european colonial past of taking native children from native families to bring the darkies up in the white way... most were treated as a cross between slaves and zoo exhibits."

I ignore your posts because you are such a fanboy you deny any reality that doesn't suit your narrative.

'Russians haven't used cluster ammo before' Despite that being so easily proven.

Russia has moved families and people out of Ukraine, which is an Article against the Gen Convention which your buddy Wolf, said say what article they are ignoring and I gave him the answer, I never called it a warcrime, you are has always trying to put words in people mouths and changing the context, I have told you many times if your going to behave like that, simply do not respond to me.

Not quite sure who you are replying to as you are not quoting properly.

But I will reply to this part in particular of your claim

SiegHeil Post109 wrote:2. As for articles that the Russians ignore well It is prohibited to move civilians to the territory of the occupying state. Russia also has revoked Geneva Convention protocols, your clearly a moron who fails to do even the most BASIC of research next time educate yourself before attempting to waste my time kid.

I don't know why you even brought that point up because it was not discussed by me at all. This is retarded to even consider up for discussion since it's inhumane to not evacuate civilian population from theater of conflict. I also skimmed through most posts that have anything quoted what you have said and no one that I could see brought that point up. So from my POV you are the initiator of this point and with your well known stance on the conflict and towards Russia it makes this mention open criticism of this practice of evacuation of civilians by Russia. Yes, on the point that Russia is not subscribing to all addendums of the Geneva Convention you did rightfully state that. So the mention of Russia's practice against "Geneva Convention" of not being allowed to evacuate civilians from conflict zone to own territories, which I am not aware off and it's irrelevant to this situation, makes it questionable as to why you mentioned it.

Anyways, this point can be agreed on is retarded as the evacuation by Russia of Russian people has no ill intend unlike the Moldovian and Polish human trafficking routes which have been documented to some extent. This becomes a valid argument once someone makes same human or organ trafficking revelations for the Russian side, if they exist.

ALAMO wrote:There was some insane coverage made by the German television from the training ground in Germany.
Part of it was an interview with trained soldiers.
...
The German instructor had nothing to say to them Laughing other than go and die there, you bastards.

Did not see it yet. Do you happen to find the video of it?

flamming_python wrote:

The Chat GPT and analogous systems are real AI. You can make the argument that the previous generation of systems were not, with which I have had some experience with, not only neural networks but also things like genetic algorithms and knowledge systems. They were useful tools, but you wouldn't describe them as more than tools or algorithms. You had to expend a lot of effort to set them up or train them for the various narrow use cases in which they could achieve results that conventional algorithms or mathematics could not, and in general they were restricted to narrow domains.

With the new generation though we seem to have hit a point where AI has become general enough, sophisticated enough and pre-trained to the point where its potential use-cases have expanded across the whole spectrum of software and internet use. What's more they're also evidently approaching closer to self-replication too, as Chat GPT itself can be used to gain advice on how to improve Chat GPT and other current AIs.
That it's a glorified chat-bot or whatever its mechanism of operation is not necessarily so important. There is such a concept as emergent behaviour coming about from an arrangement of simpler parts. From a certain perspective, human beings can be portrayed as glorified chat-bots, or upright chimps too.

So think of this watershed as analogous to when computers made the switch from large mainframes restricted to military, scientific, etc... use to personal computers that were small, inexpensive and useful enough for common people to start buying and using them.

Now what they're not of course, are sentient, self-aware intelligences or life-forms. That's something quite different.
In the case of Chat GPT and its competitors, we can see that they have in evidence a sort of 'imagination' which works much like our own, when they come up with contextually wrong but factually incorrect answers, or when they're asked to generate images from words. There are other similarities to human beings too in evidence. What you won't find of course are life-processes; such as metabolisms, survival instincts, reproduction, competition for resources with others or Darwinian evolution. So these are essentially disembodied intelligences devoid of or not limited by life. They're both artificial and intelligent in the purest senses of these words.

Note that there are efforts underway to develop and train neural networks as physical mechanisms, not just virtually in software. Two examples are via analogue computers and by artificially growing

As this tech matures, it could become the base for such disembodied intelligences for robots and various machinery, rather than the aforementioned software emulation of neurons that we see today.

I can agree to a certain extent, yes these networks allow for algorithms themselves to be modified, and can remain relevant as you update the network

See chatGPT--->GPT4

It will continue to develop and augment

But yes the day when real AI, as in fully autonomous systems come online is still far off

But yes I agree automation will improve as these systems proliferate throughout everyday life

And it is an exciting time to be sure

We are seeing these systems implemented throughout industries , and have the greatest effect even in Russian Just in Time Manufacturing or product request

That's where the next big legislation for Russia will be

To implement automated systems to supply chain management

But as in the west, Russian society will only get these systems as the Russian military implements them

Remember that society lags behind military development by some time

So we need a procurement system which is automated and aided by neural networks , and advanced computing

Which can be extended to the shipbuilding industries, rocket building bureaus, Aviation manufacture, all the way down to the small and medium size business

Right now SME in Russia is at the forefront of import of parts from western states via Central Asian warehouses in Kazakhstan

Procuring auto parts, and other such parts, as well as smart phones

The next big frontier is also Linux based OS for smart phones

Africa and Latin America is an excellent market for Russian electronics with Linux based OS

Also Avtovaz has risen to #1 car group in Russia ahead of Great Wall Motors and Geely motors

You can be sure Manturov has his hands full to ensure Avtovaz retains its position, and technology will be essential to coordinate production

Arkanghelsk wrote:As far as hacking is concerned, you cannot hack it as it is closed loop, the neural network in found on the computers that are onboard

The only hacking vulnerability would be to hack Russian networks and corrupting the data in them , but these are probably very protected and would require espionage within ZALA to exploit a vulnerability

Hacking humans is called tricking them

You can do the same thing to a neural network. Once you understand what factors and measurements its looking at to make its decisions.

Werewolf wrote:

Did not see it yet. Do you happen to find the video of it?

He was not saying that directly , it is my licentia poetica considering the general attitude and body language. Point is, that Bundeswehr drill team does not have a single idea how this war looks like. The scale of it overwhelms a whole NATO training process. Instructions ar made for a parade army, of how to perform on a muster field.

I want to bring to attention something to the forum,

Russia is undergoing a drastic change

Right now there is a frenzy in Kazakhstan

Russian and Kazakh importers are setting up warehouses , and bringing everything which was banned there, and then across Russia

This is a trend not seen before, and if it is not Kazakhstan, it will be somewhere else

Small and Medium business are taking this on end, and people are getting wealthy

Granted it's not oligarch wealth, but even small business people are taking part and are getting a cut of the action


It is a frenzy going on in real time

If you are from Asia, or a non western state, think about what it means to incorporate say in Dubai, and form a Kazakh entity , and participate in this

Do your research, but the supply chains will be totally dominated by next year , so get moving if you want in



The journey of BMW body parts, and components for example

Mark-up is seen normal, and people have the money to spend and they want to spend

The reason such a market exists is because Rich Russians cannot take their money outside the country,

So parallel import allows you to mark-up and resell to the rich , and they have the fucking money to spend

Belisarius wrote:

A couple of weeks of such shelling and only memories will remain from the ports. The air defence in the region has collapsed. Sometimes air defence missiles just go off the way"

Personally I think there is no reason to destroy the port. Without Russian agreement the port will sit unused anyway. Since Russia will take Odessa, the port will be important for the future. Unless there are weapons depots or oil storage, leave the port alone. They are only damaging a future Russian asset.

mnztr wrote:Personally I think there is no reason to destroy the port. Without Russian agreement the port will sit unused anyway. Since Russia will take Odessa, the port will be important for the future. Unless there are weapons depots or oil storage, leave the port alone. They are only damaging a future Russian asset.

To send a message to various usual suspects. And cut-down on their daydreams a little.

MOSCOW, July 19. /tass/. Russia, due to the termination of the grain deal from 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, will consider all ships that go to Ukrainian ports on the Black Sea as carriers of military cargo. This was announced to journalists by the Russian Defense Ministry on Wednesday.


"In connection with the termination of the Black Sea initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor from 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all vessels traveling in the Black Sea to Ukrainian ports will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo," the ministry said.

They clarified that the flag countries of such vessels will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of Kiev.

Are we waiting for fiery entertainment?

flamming_python wrote:

mnztr wrote:Personally I think there is no reason to destroy the port. Without Russian agreement the port will sit unused anyway. Since Russia will take Odessa, the port will be important for the future. Unless there are weapons depots or oil storage, leave the port alone. They are only damaging a future Russian asset.

To send a message to various usual suspects. And cut-down on their daydreams a little.

I hardly believe if the whole infrastructure there is even compatible with Russian safety & food regulations.
They will rebuild that later

The case with you my friend is that you are much resistant to anything that opposes your idee fix.
I don't care much, so that is just an observation.

Well so far you have only made statements so I am hardly going to change my mind based on just that.

First of all, you must accept the fact that cluster ammo is not a Wunderwaffe and the hammer of Thor. It is just an ordinary tool of artillery destruction. Soviets had cluster ammunition for almost all calibers they used.

If you are going to be a dick why bother talking to you about this?

Here you have Ukrs firing Pion with claimed round :

They are nazis, so why would they not use such weapons against civilians?

Here you have remains of subammunition from Iskander :

Did you check the links... a company in Britain... fennix insight...

Here you have a photo from 2015, Dobaltsevo city.

Oh, 2015... yeah... must be Russian... except how many similar artillery platforms did the rebels even have... which suggests this is nazi delivered war crime?

And here you have a cherry picking, from Aleppo this time. Yes, I know, it is Syria - and guess who was dropping RBK containers there?

Faux news?

Further discussion in a matter of denying that is a waste of my time, so I won't participate.

Good, because the evidence you provide is thin at best and proves that Kievs forces have used up their inventory of of cluster weapons and now they are getting more from the world nazis, so Russia is just going to have to respond in kind, which is fine by me... it will be vastly easier to wipe out Nazis on foot with cluster munitions than with even quite large HE shells.

Like Hole said, that is about the range of the Kh-59. But the thing is, I doubt the Kh-59 is significantly cheaper than a Kalibr.
Both missiles use the exact same engine. TRDD-50. The extra range is basically a matter of enlarging the fuel tank on the cruise missile.
If they want to make the whole thing cheaper then they need to work on the cost of the engine and electronics of the missile.
Size and range seems to be just fuel, which is not particularly expensive.

Using the same engine and mass producing the engine can bring down costs too...

And maybe make a stealth version of Kalibr.

You mean like Kh-101?

They were making a cheap 1,500km range cheap Kh-50 missile at one stage for tactical aircraft to carry in large numbers...

I would agree, except the moskit or granit method was to send one missile higher, which would search with radar, and send updates by datalink , thereby updating the pack

A volley of missiles would be fired and one missile would be selected leader that would climb and get the targets into radar line of sight and scan the targets and then drop down and depending on the number of missiles in the flight group would assign different missiles to different targets, so four might go for the carrier, while two each for large AEGIS cruisers and perhaps one for smaller ships and supply vessels etc etc.

The communication was short range and only between the missiles.

With neural networks,

A neural network is a computer programme designed to mimic problem solving using black box logic and training with examples...

it is an optical based system, which is matching the image captured , to images stored on a database, and if parameters of said image match the aspect from different profiles of say a Leopard tank or Bradley, then the neural network would confirm this is a good target and the Lancet would home in using its on board telemetry

You seem to be confused, such a system uses 3D images of targets, they could be radar based or optically based or IIR based so when a sensor detects a target the image (radar or optical ) is compared to items stored in a 3D database searching for a match. The image processing hardware on the Lancet will compare what it can see in front of it with examples from its database and will search for a match and determine if it is a valid target and will have target priorities... for instance an S-300 system would be higher priority than a Bradley.

So the pack method, yes has existed since USSR , but neural networks are a sort of new feature,

No. AI is not new. Neural networks are no where near new...

which allow a vehicle which is much lighter and smaller, to abandon radar , and to rely on optical means of recognizing the target and couple them with algorithmic sequences to provide guidance and confirmation

Well that is not true, because Brimstone uses MMW radar to find targets day or night in all weathers and MMW radar can see through bushes and tree branches placed on vehicles to hide them making ID rather more accurate.

There is no need for an operator, or midcourse updates - the neural network can do it and is in fact becoming smarter everytime, this is the future and a primitive means of "artificial intelligence"

A neural network has to be trained before it will work and you can actually over train them which renders them useless. Once they are trained they stop learning, because in this case they have nothing to confirm if they are doing something right.

If you launch some Lancets at a group of trees and as they fly over the trees they see a group of vehicles which they identify as enemy tanks and start attacking... they have no idea if they are actually hitting real tanks or fake plastic or rubber blow up tanks and as they are destroyed when they hit how do you utilise that learning for future attacks?

As neural networks supported by even better computers and processors develop, entirely new flight systems can be developed, to the point S70 Okhotnik could utilize a highly developed neural network, which can assist in flying, or even developing targets when it bombs , or launching AAM missiles when the neural network scans the sky

In this case a neural network essentially monitors input from sensors or an operator and makes decisions based on that input or commands. An S-70 with the instructions to launch a Kh-31 against enemy radar that lock it or any other platforms in its flight group are not human like or particularly fantastic.

To avoid the enormous complexity that is the human brain most NNs have very limit action reaction features and are literally not able to think outside the box.

You cannot jam such a drone, you might only shoot it down, but what if you do not know it is even there?

If it is scanning then you will know it is there.

Using EW would not do anything, not when the drone in question is no longer using GPS or Radio frequency

Send your own drones to shoot it down.

A drone is generally much easier to shoot down than a manned aircraft... which can also be shot down too.

I ignore your posts because you are such a fanboy you deny any reality that doesn't suit your narrative.

There is something very amusing about white Europeans blaming others of committing war crimes... tell us about how America will respond of the ICC arrests a US citizen and tries them in their court?

Didn't they impose sanctions on the judges involved who then folded like a sheet of paper at an origami convention...

Paper tiger indeed.

Learn history, The Germans knew she was carrying munitions and even posted in the papers anyone getting on her due to this was at risk, they just didn't seek a passenger liner and go 'Well gee, I hope there is Ammo on that boat', pathetic you tried to spin doctor that shit to twist my words and now back t ignoring your posts, I just had to comment on your sheer amazing levels of astounding ignorance

I know history, the western world essentially claims to this day that the sinking of the Lusitania was a war crime and brought the US into the war... the west is not interested in the truth and bends it this way and that to suit the current narrative.

But by all means explain why the US has not just said that the Russians have been using cluster munitions all this time so us supplying them should be OK with everyone... but they aren't are they... and more to the point the Russians are promising to start using them in response to the Orcs using them...

Yeah of course... your own little reality again.

If Lancet has autonomous mode where it can engage without operator link, a swarm of drones with neural network might be highly susceptible to hacking.

If you look up the word autonomous you would understand that autonomous mode means operating without outside interference or instruction... ie with no operator... so the group of drones will likely have an area of terrain where it is allowed to kill things it finds and so its job will be to fly this area looking for targets and attacking them based on an order of importance, so air defence vehicles might be priority number one and artillery number two and heavy armour number three... and when the batteries are running low small groups of infantry might be number four.

To hack the network would mean it would be waiting for outside instructions... which defeats the whole purpose of autonomous mode.

I presume there is no "AI" in the missile, it's run by an expert system. Which is dynamically programmable using neural network output data. Which runs somewhere on normal servers on fixed site and feeds itself with missile's sensors.

I would expect it has a navigation system and an autopilot to make it fly over known enemy positions and potential enemy positions where it uses its optics to scan for potential targets... when it finds targets it will direct likely the drone with the lowest battery level to impact the target and then continue along looking for more targets. When a group of targets are found then multiple drones will hit multiple targets with the lead drone deciding what will hit what. If drones are shot down then the lead drone will take that into account and if the lead drone is shot down then another drone will be voted lead drone and take control of the swarm.

This is the stuff they were doing in the 1970s with anti ship missiles fired in groups of 6 or 12 or 24.

The only hacking vulnerability would be to hack Russian networks and corrupting the data in them , but these are probably very protected and would require espionage within ZALA to exploit a vulnerability

That wouldn't really work because such databases would not be connected to the internet or be made available for updates before being loaded into the drones.

AI in the sense of a chat bot is not necessary, all you need is a decision making algorithm... nothing as complex as trying to pretend to be human to another human.

Anyways, this point can be agreed on is retarded as the evacuation by Russia of Russian people has no ill intend unlike the Moldovian and Polish human trafficking routes which have been documented to some extent. This becomes a valid argument once someone makes same human or organ trafficking revelations for the Russian side, if they exist.

Already mentioned humanitarian aide worker in Ukraine trying to Liberate babies for their body parts...

Rich western families need bits to make their inbred babies live don't you know...

Personally I think there is no reason to destroy the port.

No reason to damage the bridge but they did it anyway...

Without Russian agreement the port will sit unused anyway. Since Russia will take Odessa, the port will be important for the future. Unless there are weapons depots or oil storage, leave the port alone. They are only damaging a future Russian asset.

If Russia can take the port the orcs will destroy everything they can of value before they leave anyway. A new start with all new Russian made stuff is best...

They clarified that the flag countries of such vessels will be considered involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of Kiev.

Which suggests a new focus to limit what ammo and weapons can be brought in to theatre... the desperation of Kiev to keep it open... which did not include to keeping up their side of the deal suggest there was more than meets the eye regarding the grain deliveries...

flamming_python wrote:

mnztr wrote:Personally I think there is no reason to destroy the port. Without Russian agreement the port will sit unused anyway. Since Russia will take Odessa, the port will be important for the future. Unless there are weapons depots or oil storage, leave the port alone. They are only damaging a future Russian asset.

To send a message to various usual suspects. And cut-down on their daydreams a little.

No need to address those idiots. you can send messages by attacking their offices.

Erk wrote:Gee, I didn't expect Russia to target the Odessa grain loading machinery....

They should have done that the moment grain deal was first mentioned

GarryB wrote:

If Russia can take the port the orcs will destroy everything they can of value before they leave anyway. A new start with all new Russian made stuff is best...

No necessarily. At some point Ukraine will have to sue for peace. The terms of that peace will be unknown until its done as will the boundaries of any Ukraine that is allowed to exist (if any). They can mine the waters and it will be unclear if they are russian or Ukrainians mines. Russia is already creating the narrative that mines are adrift in the Black Sea making it untenable to commercial traffic.

Any reasonable perspective is landlocking it and dismantling of entire nuclear infrastructure or occupying it. Other way, those idiots will construct a dirty nuke any moment.

Scorpius wrote:

MOSCOW, July 19. /tass/. Russia, due to the termination of the grain deal from 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, will consider all ships that go to Ukrainian ports on the Black Sea as carriers of military cargo. This was announced to journalists by the Russian Defense Ministry on Wednesday.


"In connection with the termination of the Black Sea initiative and the curtailment of the maritime humanitarian corridor from 00:00 Moscow time on July 20, 2023, all vessels traveling in the Black Sea to Ukrainian ports will be considered as potential carriers of military cargo," the ministry said.
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As if they weren't ones already...

GarryB wrote:

No. AI is not new. Neural networks are no where near new...

No they are not, but what is new is smaller electronics, which allow neural networks to be implements on vehicles as small as lancets or even FPV drones

Even at the commercial level, you don't need micro sized electronics, but a DJI Mavic could be upgraded to contain this on say modern GPU

And you can have enough memory on the board to house the image database as well

You can keep the neural network on a library that's open source, obviously Zala won't do that, but I'm saying that this is revolutionary because civilians have been experimenting with convolutional neural networks for a while now and open source libraries exist for on the GPU application

And ofc you can trick a drone supported by CNNs easily, but you do realize CNNs are learning fast, and other inputs could be used to make sure that an attack should be conducted

I think image recognition is better than radar, simply because as you stated, there are less countermeasures against optical guidance than there are for radar

MMW radar is certainly an application to look at, but MMW can be jammed - and the whole point of neural network on GPU is to close the loop, and avoid jamming potential