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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #46

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:36 am

    They should have done that the moment grain deal was first mentioned

    We don't know what they actually attacked... that damage could have been S-300s and Patriots deciding not to play.

    No necessarily.

    No, you are right... what is Russia going to do with the worlds only existing An-225... oops... no... it was destroyed before they could capture it...

    Are you forgetting who Russia is fighting... they destroyed Antonov years ago just to hurt Russia... they destroyed their entire country to try to hurt Russia.

    In most cases they were really doing Russia a favour.

    These three Ukrainian ports will be useful for building civilian ships so other Russian shipyards can get a little breathing space and catch up on the vessels they are building.

    At some point Ukraine will have to sue for peace.

    Zelensky can't back down and he wont. He knew from the start they would lose, but as long as he gets money from the west this conflict will continue until the people of the Ukraine decide they have had enough...

    Russia is already creating the narrative that mines are adrift in the Black Sea making it untenable to commercial traffic.

    Hahaha... Russia has said any ships heading to or leaving Ukrainian ports will be considered military... that will be enough to prevent any ship getting insurance which means they wont sail.

    Maybe the UK navy will escort those ships but they can't get them into the Black Sea so we will never know.

    Any reasonable perspective is landlocking it and dismantling of entire nuclear infrastructure or occupying it. Other way, those idiots will construct a dirty nuke any moment.

    Minsk and the grain deal and the deal early last year to surrender just shows they are incapable of being honest with agreements and the west has proven to be worse to be honest. Nothing signed by Zelensky is worth anything at all except orders for his own execution...

    As if they weren't ones already...

    The tantrums Zelensky is having asking countries to deliver stuff anyway suggests they were getting something more important than just money from the sales of grain.... Putin was fair and did the right thing and when the west cheated them they have stopped the deal, so Putin and Russia can't be cast as the bad guys unless you ignore the facts, so the rest of the world will see who is at fault, and Russia blocks revenue and a route for importing other things without upsetting anyone who is being reasonable.

    No they are not, but what is new is smaller electronics, which allow neural networks to be implements on vehicles as small as lancets or even FPV drones

    A neural network is not a human brain in computer chip form. It is a way of programming a system that learns to do things by trial and error with training where the programme works out how to solve problems for itself.

    I remember in the 1980s there was a big German project for an AI Neural Network system that could detect tanks. Very simply you take dozens of photos of tanks and dozens of photos without tanks and you sit in a lab and feed digital images of the tank or no tank into the computer and it analyses the photo and tries to work out whether there is a tank there or not. The problem is that it is a black box system... you can't just train it up and then open the code and see what rules it has created for itself to work out which is which. So after training this computer programme they were getting 90% plus success rates so they tried it in the field at an army exercise and it was awful. It couldn't see tanks right in front of it. It was tested another day and it saw tanks everywhere.

    The hilarious thing is that when they went through testing it in the field what they realised was that all the photos they used with tanks in them were taken on a sunny day and all the photos without tanks were taken on a cloudy day.

    You train the system by feeding in a photo with a tank in it and then telling it there is a tank in the photo so the programme looks at the photo and tries to work out features of that photo, so if you put that photo in again it would say there is a tank there. It is not looking at the photo and identifying an actual tank like a human would. The you give it different photos with and without tanks and you tell it which has tanks and which don't and it examines each image and uses the answer of whether there is a tank there or not and it splits them into two groups and tries to find similarities of all the photos with tanks to work out if there is a tank there and also all the similarities of the photos where it is told there are no tanks. They were hoping the programme would pick up on the straight lines of the tanks armour and its gun barrel distinctive shape and the colours of the tank compared with photos with no tank that does not have those colours present.

    As I said it is a black box system so you can't just look at the code of a trained neural network to see what it was looking for.

    Ironically you can use AI to spot moving targets which makes detection easier and once detected you can have a programme analyse its shape to work out what it might be, and of course modern computing with large capacity storage means huge 3D databases of shapes means you can actually move to identify things too.

    In the 1980s having more than 250 colours on a computer game at one time was amazing... Amiga 500!!! but these days the video processing performance can draw a cats face on someone being videoed in real time on a cell phone. Video processing technology has massively improved along with storage and processing power of CPUs... which make many things possible.

    Don't confuse AI with smart... AI is fast but is potentially stupid... without fuzzy logic an old computer AI could not tell the difference between two photos of the same person if that person has a hat and a beard in one photo and clean shaven and no hat in the other.

    A modern AI would look at the shape of the face and the location of the eyes and ears and nose and mouth and shapes and relations between the position and work out they are the same person. It still couldn't cope with someone wearing a ronnie reagan mask....

    AI is not smart, but it can do things very well... like counting sheep from aerial photos and other monotonous stuff.

    And of course unlike a human it has no morals or ethics... but then Americans have people piloting drones that murder people... though to their credit there is some turn over in operators with some having consciences and not just quitting but also speaking out about what they did.

    Even at the commercial level, you don't need micro sized electronics, but a DJI Mavic could be upgraded to contain this on say modern GPU

    AI is already used to auto focus camera lenses and for face recognition...

    You can keep the neural network on a library that's open source, obviously Zala won't do that, but I'm saying that this is revolutionary because civilians have been experimenting with convolutional neural networks for a while now and open source libraries exist for on the GPU application

    On a few Combat Approved episodes they had models of all sorts of aircraft, from their own to foreign types... including types that are not even in service yet like US hypersonic missiles that they have a rotary holder that can raise the model on cables and spin it around and they have radar set up around this thing with optics and radar and IR devices that are recording RCS and heat signatures from every angle to create 3D models of these targets based on the actual sensors that will be used by Russian platforms so the radar or IR camera or TV camera return can be used to ID targets from a database of shapes.

    And ofc you can trick a drone supported by CNNs easily, but you do realize CNNs are learning fast, and other inputs could be used to make sure that an attack should be conducted

    Once a neural network has been trained it stops learning. You can over train a neural network and render it useless.

    Neural networks in practical use can be given new data to retrain but at the end of the day a suicide drone will take everything it knows to the grave the first time it is used.

    I think image recognition is better than radar, simply because as you stated, there are less countermeasures against optical guidance than there are for radar

    Absolutely completely wrong... optical systems have been countered in war for CENTURIES... even native cultures understood the concept of war paint and sneaking up on prey from hiding places to taking hiding places around with you using camouflaged clothes and gear... and IR camouflage like Nakidka and even DIRCMS or simple smoke are widely deployed. Radar camouflage is pretty new and not widely used yet... but even then there are countermeasures...

    MMW radar is certainly an application to look at, but MMW can be jammed

    Can it be jammed? Any jammer would then become an easy target would it not?

    and the whole point of neural network on GPU is to close the loop, and avoid jamming potential

    Against an opponent that is lazy a NN is fantastic... after one HATO exercise one of the officers reportedly said that defeating his force would be easy... just shoot all the bushes in the open fields... it would be fairly easy to train a NN with a satellite photo from the day before and have it hit all the new bushes everywhere... just as an example.

    But then against Russia with inflatable decoys and solid air defence you are going to struggle because they have more air defence munitions than any country has drones of any kind.

    That is the hard way. Close the western border and the house of card will collapse It will take some effort, but still be easier then this macabre affair with young Russians dying in lesser but significant numbers then Ukrainians.

    The only way to close those western borders is to use a lot of Russian soldiers in territory occupied by a highly hostile and indoctrinated population... and there is no reason to think lots of civilians would be killed by such a Russian action.

    New US package. Item 11 may be a bit late

    Item 11 is probably mines... if the Ukraine can't use the ports then no one can type thinking I suspect.


    You are being manipulated, I have no idea what poll is that, but I heard that recently 60% of people in Poland are opposed to providing assistance to Ukraine.


    That poll is about feelings towards Russia and Russians... 100% of Poles thinking it is a bad idea to keep sending assistance to the Ukraine doesn't mean they suddenly like Russians and all is forgiven. Some of those 60% Poles probably realise that Poland has its own problems and should be sorting those out before interfering in the Ukraine... especially when the response always seems to be that you are not giving enough fast enough instead of the gratitude you might expect...

    "So far, 10 MiG-29s have been handed over, but it is possible that Poland will hand over the rest - about 20 aircraft of this type that they still have in service. However, this will most likely happen after Poland starts receiving aircraft from Western countries."

    You think Poland is starting to realise it might not be getting all the things they donated to the Ukraine for this conflict replaced by shiny new American stuff and I see that Trump has already said if he is elected he will make EU countries pay for all the new weapons to replace those they sent to Kiev and that there wont be any freebies.

    i play a game called Topwar and one of my friend is Polish, in our alliance we had a group of Russians before they joined our alliance he went along with the Russians evil narrative until he found out they were just normal people, i told him to look up Stephan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych and read the crimes they committed against Polish people during WW2 and that these guys were made national heroes of Ukraine as well as glorifying the SS and using there emblems .... his opinions changed after reading about it

    Western propaganda works so well because most westerners don't give a shit about history and will believe what their news media tell them... ignoring the fact that their news media are the problem.

    In Poland there are many stupid and subservient people.

    The entire western world think they know the truth and their news media keeps them fully informed about what is happening and that it is RT and Sputnik and other that spread propaganda and lies... we won the cold war because we were right...

    There is also lots of propaganda and manipulation by the ruling German-Ukrainian mafia in Poland.

    And of course such things leads to strange bed fellows... some will hate Russians so much they will ignore that Ukraine has probably killed more Poles than Russia ever did, and of course Ukraine was Russia anyway but that is also forgotten... western media say everything is Russias fault and Kiev is fighting Russia so they must be the good guys... anyone saying anything different is Putins puppet. Rolling Eyes

    Isn't this the same shithead that was in charge of the Afghan debacle?

    And his main goal is to bring that level of success to this conflict... some companies made billions...

    So Putin will not attend BRICS in person. I was hoping for a stronger response to warrants. Something like: ICC warrants that result in an arrest of a Russian National will result in a response from Russia that can include the full force of the Russian military against any nations, persons or companies that are involved.

    Actually I was hoping South Africa would say the ICC is clearly a political white european mans club for clubbing non europeans and that they would leave the ICC completely because it simply does not have the interests of the rest of the world in mind.

    agonizing effort to get away from burning vehicle.

    Looks like Anakin Skywalker just before he got the big black suit...

    Platoon wiped out by a single well placed mortar round. Anyone have any idea how they are so accurate?

    Russian camera close by filming it... I would say Gran guided 120mm round and laser target marker.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:34 am

    Seems that Russkie pummeled Odessa and Nikolayev all night long ...
    SBU actively seeking people who upload films with the incoming results ...

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    Post  ucmvulcan Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:42 am

    ALAMO wrote:Seems that Russkie pummeled Odessa and Nikolayev all night long ...
    SBU actively seeking people who upload films with the incoming results ...

    Of course, if people can't see the damage they have to take your word for it that there is no damage.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:38 am

    There are!
    An orphanage, a puppy shelter, and a kindergarten.

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    Post  Mir Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:40 am

    mnztr wrote:So Putin will not attend BRICS in person. I was hoping for a stronger response to warrants. Something like:  ICC warrants that result in an arrest of a Russian National will result in a response from Russia that can include the full force of the Russian military against any nations, persons or companies that are involved.

    I'm actually glad he is not going to attend. The vast majority of South Africans support the SMO and Putin, but there are a significant number of whites that hates Putin's guts. I wouldn't like for some nutter to try something stupid over here.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:50 am

    ALAMO wrote:Seems that Russkie pummeled Odessa and Nikolayev all night long ...
    SBU actively seeking people who upload films with the incoming results ...

    They found the filmer of the main video of the attack and he is now on his way to the front as an example to the others.

    Meanwhile, boot on other foot

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:12 am

    The third night with reducing numbers. So today they will review progress ready to mop up what's left tonight.

    "According to the Armed Forces of Ukraine, last night 19 cruise missiles and 19 loitering ammunition were fired at Odessa and Nikolaev: 7 Onyx missiles from the Crimea, 4 X-22 missiles from an aircraft (as in the text) in the Black Sea, 3 Caliber missiles presumably from a submarine in the Black Sea, 5 Iskander missiles also from the Crimea.

    19 UAVs "Geran" were launched from the Crimea and Kursk."

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:15 am

    For those of us who were watching at the time. A hero that his men would follow to the ends of the Earth.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:21 am

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    The second day of "retribution strikes" - why attacks on Odessa are so effective

    Another massive combined strike with cruise missiles and Geraniums was launched this night in Ukraine. Despite the bravura reports of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which have already become traditional, in which they shot down everything and everyone, multiple arrivals were recorded in the Odessa region. Explosions also thundered in Zhytomyr, Zaporozhye, Dnepropetrovsk, Sumy, and Kherson regions.

    But the attacks on Odessa were still the most massive and productive - a lot of shots with a burning oil depot and exploding warehouses demonstrate this.

    An outside observer cannot help but wonder: why are the attacks on Odessa so effective, especially when compared with the attacks on Kiev?

    Let’s make a reservation right away that it’s not worth judging the effectiveness of “retaliation strikes” based on frames from social networks. Total censorship reigns in Ukraine, and the abundance of pictures and videos from Odessa is also since the control of the SBU over this Russian city is much weaker than over the same Kiev.

    In addition, the air defense of the regions is incomparable. Zelensky rounded up the most modern air defense systems supplied by the West to protect his person. In addition, the same Geraniums, to fly to the independent capital, need to break through the echelons of enemy air defense in the Sumy and Chernihiv regions.

    The Ukrainian leadership, in principle, hoped that the best protection for the Odessa infrastructure was a “grain deal”. Why Kiev was sure that this “paper air defense system” would cover their ports after the suspension of the agreement is a mystery, but the Ukrainian leadership, in general, is often ready to be deceived and believe in pleasant fantasies, take at least membership in the EU or NATO.

    So the effectiveness of strikes against the Odessa region is explained by a whole range of reasons, and not by any specific factor.

    Now the main thing is to take advantage of the vulnerabilities in the enemy's defense and inflict maximum damage on the enemy before he begins to develop countermeasures.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:26 am

    They can't ship them by boat anymore.

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    In addition, deliveries of mortar and artillery ammunition will soon begin, Turkish and Western experts report.

    This is because ammunition stocks in the West are rapidly declining.

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    Post  Hole Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:43 pm

    An outside observer cannot help but wonder: why are the attacks on Odessa so effective, especially when compared with the attacks on Kiev?
    An outside observer cannot help but wonder: are the people at Slavyangrad really that stupid?  Suspect

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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:52 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:You are being manipulated, I have no idea what poll is that, but I heard that recently 60% of people in Poland are opposed to providing assistance to Ukraine.

    Obviously this poll is fit for use as toilet paper, claiming Greece has twice as many Russia-haters as Russia-sympathetic people among other things. It's a little hard to believe given that in neighbouring Bulgaria the street is universally-friendly to Russia to the point where even the NATO-stooge president in charge has to pretend to be pro-Russian too.

    The 'results' for Poland do not surprise me, the poll's authors would like nothing more than to fatten up a new source of cannon fodder against Russia after the Ukrainian supply runs out, and creating their own reality through media propaganda and hack articles is one thing the globalist establishment is good at.

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    Post  mnztr Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:54 pm

    mnztr wrote:https://twitter.com/i/status/1681576428884619264

    Platoon wiped out by a single well placed mortar round. Anyone have any idea how they are so accurate?


    Erdogan - "I will talk to Putin about resuming grain deal"
    Putin- "ahh sorry I kinda erased the port at Odessa my bad"

    Update for the times: The Grain in Ukraine goes mainly down the draaaaainnnnn.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:22 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:You are being manipulated, I have no idea what poll is that, but I heard that recently 60% of people in Poland are opposed to providing assistance to Ukraine.

    Obviously this poll is fit for use as toilet paper, claiming Greece has twice as many Russia-haters as Russia-sympathetic people among other things. It's a little hard to believe given that in neighbouring Bulgaria the street is universally-friendly to Russia to the point where even the NATO-stooge president in charge has to pretend to be pro-Russian too.

    The 'results' for Poland do not surprise me, the poll's authors would like nothing more than to fatten up a new source of cannon fodder against Russia after the Ukrainian supply runs out, and creating their own reality through media propaganda and hack articles is one thing the globalist establishment is good at.

    Polls are notoriously inaccurate and often wrong, for anything when done due to numerous problems.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:43 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Polls are notoriously inaccurate and often wrong, for anything when done due to numerous problems.

    There's also the temptation to fake them and use them as an instrument of opinion-manipulation themselves

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    Post  Godric Thu Jul 20, 2023 5:53 pm

    mnztr wrote:https://twitter.com/i/status/1681576428884619264

    Platoon wiped out by a single well placed mortar round. Anyone have any idea how they are so accurate?

    that was a squad, a platoon is around 30 to 50 men

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:26 pm



    The mayor of Odessa said "that we do not remember such a scale of attack since the beginning of the war"

    It looks like the military is in full control of the scale of attacks like this. And not the security council. The grain deal was clearly a better deal for Ukraine than it was for Russia.

    We got some experts here on Ukraine and US rationality. I mean of course the Kerch bridge is a legit target. We can hit it which will cost us the entirety of the Odessa and Nikolaev ports. It will also cost us our ag export economy.

    Can these experts fill us in on the logic of hitting the Kerch bridge again ? dunno

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    Post  Backman Thu Jul 20, 2023 6:50 pm

    Ukrainian Telegram channel Resident (https://t.me/rezident_ua/18823) writes about the increased accuracy of Russian missile weapons:

    "Our source in the President's office said that since the spring of 2023, Russian missiles have become much more accurate in hitting military depots and units. The General Staff believes that the enemy has modern satellite data that allows it to identify military targets in real time. It is currently unknown whether the satellite data is Chinese or Russian".

    This bullshit again. This is probably the start of a new narrative to name and shame China and accuse it of helping Russia in the war. It serves 2 purposes. It belittles Russia's own capabilities and blames China. Because Russia cant do anything right and if it does, it must be because the Chinese are helping.

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    Post  Sprut-B Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:05 pm

    China is like an infant in comparison to Russia when it comes to innovation and technology. Chinese economic growth and the central planning of the CCP are very impressive, and Russia could certainly learn from them, but when it comes to military technology, China is nowhere close to Russia. So it's really absurd to think that Russia is taking military help from China for the SMO.

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    Post  Sprut-B Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:43 pm

    To this day, the Chinese have not stopped copying Russian military designs. They've also tried to reverse-engineer exported Russian engines and air defence systems.

    Don't these new Chinese trucks look familiar to you?
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    Post  Sprut-B Thu Jul 20, 2023 8:52 pm

    Russia has done nothing against China since the end of the USSR, but still China is disrespecting Russia by openly copying Russian military designs. For now, Russia is very patient with the Chinese, but at some point in the future, Russia will have to raise its voice.

    For my understanding, China is not a real friend of Russia. I am not saying that China has some hidden agenda, like greater Manchuria, but understand that China is opportunistic, so Russia should never let its guard down. So, be self-sufficient in everything you can, and don't handicap yourself by relying too much on the Chinese. Maybe countries like Iran, India, or Saudi Arabia can balance it out.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:11 pm

    What are the prospects for American elections in 2024, and how will it affect the Ukrainian Crisis?

    2024 will be a decisive year in global politics, because of the Saturnalian ritual of US presidential elections

    Currently a political crisis brews as Republican political candidate Donald Trump is embroiled in multi-indictments, with the opposition party trying to jail their main political opponent before the elections come

    But if the democrats and their deep state allies are prepared to rig elections and flip states, why is there the impending need to jail Trump at this stage?

    The issue is defined as such: currently the democrats have no other candidates which will toe the main party line. Joe Biden is in a scandal of his own, and at the same time the aging leader is prone to gaffes that are typical of a senior who is declining in mental faculties and who displays more and more the symptoms of dementia and potential alzheimers

    The issue is, if the senior citizen ails to the point of total incapacitation, or even death, the alternatives will mean absolute defeat of the democrats, even if they have the power to overturn elections, the population will not tolerate such unpopular officials like Kamala Harris to ascend to the seat of highest power in USA

    The other issue is that the Republicans seem aware of this situation,  and have taken into account that even if Joe Biden survives another year, that they have a strategy to defeat him, which is reminiscent of the 1992 election results, in which incumbent George W. Bush Sr, a former CIA head, failed to secure victory ahead of his challenger Bill Clinton

    Bush was not a popular candidate in 1992, his first term was marred by the gulf war debacle, and the country was yearning for progressive initiatives to overcome the stagnating economy that Bush had introduced

    The issue for democrats was that although Clinton was popular, and his policies were widely supported, his competitor had the backing of the intelligence agencies and the establishment, as Joe Biden has today

    But an unlikely turn of events occurred, as a 3rd candidate, Ross Perot, threw his hat into the race, and took a whopping 19% of the vote, ending Bush's aspirations for re-election, and deciding the victory in favor of Bill Clinton

    2024 portends to be an interesting year, as RFK Jr, the nephew of former president JFK, looks more and more like a nascent leader of a 3rd party in which votes can be siphoned away from democrats, while Trump with his base of voters can come away with a lead as Clinton did in 1992

    This strategy is a strong one, as disapproval of Joe Biden is at the highest level with multiple issues facing the American people from surging inflation, a recession which is hurting growth of business, and weakening of the banking system with regional banks suffering under persistent rate hikes as the FED tries to fight off inflation, albeit to no avail

    The repercussions of a Trump victory could be described as such: Trump will focus on the economy, and his first order of business will be to cut off the Ukrainian anchor which is generating inflationary pressures due to the rise of oil prices, and a general disruption of global markets

    At the same time Trumps main enemy are the Chinese, who ruined his own re-election campaign by unleashing COVID-19 at a time when Trumps polling was at an all time high, and hanging 1 million American deaths around the populist figurehead

    Coupled with a national lockdown that choked the US economy, Trump sunk rapidly in the face of mounting deaths, and civil chaos during the summer riots exploding in the wake of the death of George Floyd-

    All this told, Trump has a debt to settle with the Chinese leadership, who turned out victorious in the first round of trade wars that Trump engaged in

    His focus will not be Zelensky and the Ukrainian state, or NATO, his focus will be to bring to bear retribution for perceived personal sleights against him and the US by the Chinese government

    There is a lot that can happen before any of these scenarios begin to surface, but what can be said is that 2024 will not be the ushering of a new era of peace, but it will be the continuation of global turbulence marked by political, economic, and military instability

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 20, 2023 9:52 pm

    Ukraine Battle Map
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    In the past 3 days, Ukraine 🇺🇦 mostly Odesa Oblast was struck by:

    July 18th
    5x Shahed Drones

    July 19th
    3x Kalibr Missiles
    6x Onyx Missiles
    8x Kh-22 Missiles
    8x Shahed Drones

    July 20th
    1x Kalibr Missiles
    3x Iskander-K Missiles
    7x Onyx Missiles
    4x Kh-22 Missiles
    6x Shahed Drones

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 20, 2023 10:00 pm

    So the activity in Odessa was already planned, presumably as a full stop to the grain deal.

    As they say "revenge is best served cold"


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