Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47

Backman wrote:The US State Department approved the sale of 96 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters and equipment to Poland for a total of $12 billion.

96 Apache's is a lot isn't it ? I swear they are already gearing up for the 2026 war in Ukraine. 96 would make it the biggest non US operator of them. The next biggest is the UK with 67 of them.

Like it has already taken place with those advanced fighter jets, the U.S. will take the whole money and not deliver anything.

Not surprising there are Polish jokes in the U.S.A.


They have also not given any help to Poland with regard to the huge number of the Ukrainian fake refugees.

I think poland is just keeping russia busy stockpiling equipment themselves to extend the war than launch any offensive and its clearly working

thegopnik wrote:I think poland is just keeping russia busy stockpiling equipment themselves to extend the war than launch any offensive and its clearly working

What equipment?

Those 10 South Korean tanks purchased on credit?

Those advanced fighter jets Poland fully paid for back when Trump was still the president, and to this day not even a single has been delivered?

seemingly there has been really heavy fighting on the outskirts of Artemovsk, Hahols have lost nearly 800 dead nazis

Worth repeating every once in a while

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In 4 weeks the Summer is over - Ukro and NATO shills promised us Ukraine will have taken Crimea this summer - well - you are still here:

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Destruction of Ukrainian boats in the Black Sea

At around 4 a.m. on August 22, a boat with a landing group of Ukraine's main intelligence directorate was destroyed by a guided missile Kh-31 from the Su-30SM aircraft of the Black Sea Fleet naval aviation.

What is noteworthy in this situation is that the boat was located 38 kilometers west of Cape Tarkhankut. The fact that the landing craft got so far from the Ukrainian shores indicates preparation for possible operations in Crimea.

A couple of hours later, the onboard armament of the MiG-29 fighter of the Russian Air Force destroyed another boat of the Willard type, supplied for the needs of the Ukrainian fleet by the American government.

"Willard" was detected 40 kilometers east of Snake Island. What was it doing there? Apparently, the Ukrainian boat was transporting personnel to one of the oil rigs, which, apparently, is used for the needs of the GSD.

By this date Ukrainian war dead might be as much as 250.000 dead, my estimation is somewhat lower at 200.000

Analysis, first half of the entry is a repeat of previous posts, the second half reviews the analysis of wartears.org and the evidence available

https://guerraenucrania.wordpress.com/2023/08/22/perdidas-de-ucrania-hasta-agosto-2023-250-000-muertos/

Perhaps but pretty sure the Israeli's won't allow that... don't want to piss off Uncle Vlad

Israel has already been helping out Ukrops, but so far on a pretty small scale.

For what it is worth, it has been reported by Rybar that Surovikin was dismissed from his role but has now joined Wagner. If so so still paid by the Russian Military.

Surovikin relieved of his post as Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces, 08.22.2023.

Sergei Surovikin has been relieved of his post as Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces, RBC sources say. The general has not appeared in public space since June 24.

“Army General Sergei Surovikin has been relieved of his post due to a transfer to another job and is at his disposal” (Ministry of Defense. -  RBC ), a source familiar with the situation told RBC and confirmed a source familiar with the personnel decision in the Ministry of Defense.

“He is currently on a short vacation,” one of the sources said.

Earlier, the former editor-in-chief of Echo of Moscow Alexei Venediktov (recognized by the Ministry of Justice as a foreign agent) reported on the removal of Surovikin from the post of commander-in-chief of the VKS. According to one of the interlocutors of RBC, after the removal from the post of commander of the Aerospace Forces, Surovikin ceased to be the deputy commander of the operation in Ukraine.

General Surovikin was appointed Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces at the end of November 2017. In 2017-2019, with a break of several months, he led the Russian group in Syria.

In June 2022, it became known that Surovikin was in command of the southern group of troops participating in the military operation in Ukraine. Surovikin participated in the capture of Severodonetsk and the operation to unblock the Azot plant, as well as in the fighting near Lisichansk.

On October 8, 2022, Surovikin was appointed  commander of the joint group of troops in the area of ​​the special operation in Ukraine. On January 11, 2023, Surovikin at the head of the joint group of troops was replaced by Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov. Surovikin became Gerasimov's deputy, along with Commander-in-Chief of the Ground Forces Oleg Salyukov and Deputy Chief of the General Staff Alexei Kim.

In the spring of 2023, the head of the Wagner PMC, Yevgeny Prigozhin, repeatedly criticized the Ministry of Defense and complained about “shell hunger.” At the same time, he praised Surovikin and said that when he was the head of the joint group, there were no problems with ammunition. In early May, Prigozhin announced that the issue with the shells had been resolved, and the PMCs promised to “give” Surovikin “as a person who will make all decisions in the framework of the combat operations of the Wagner PMC in cooperation with the Ministry of Defense.”

https://www.rbc.ru/politics/22/08/2023/64e4dab49a794799c04141a8

a source familiar with the situation told RBC and confirmed a source familiar with the personnel decision

Echo of Moscow 

Maybe there are more "reliable", "unbiased" sources to confirm that. BBC? Guardian? National Enquirer? Economist? 

The RBC Group, or RosBiznesConsulting, is a Russian media group headquartered in Moscow. It was established in 1993.

Isos wrote:

mnztr wrote:

Backman wrote:

It is probably intended to neutralize the KA-52 and if they have them in numbers, it would probably work to an extent. So Russia really needs to get what it wants done now or before 2025+ when this Polish army is ready.

you don't send helos to kill helos, you send jets. And when a jet fighter shows up a helo really have no defense. Its just a sitting duck. Generally they die without even knowing they are under attack.

Actually finding a helicopter flying very low isn't easy. Israeli were defenceless against Syrian gazelles back in the day.

AD is the best option here and you better have something like tor or pantsir with both radars and opticals. Even then it's not easy if the chopper has a long range missile.

How long ago was that? A helo in winter with IRST = dead MEAT.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/australianredcrossbloodservice/definitive-proof-number-42-actually-is-the-answer-to-life

Does Russia have statistician to work out significance of number 42 ? Or are we to refer to the book : The Hitchhikers guide to the ( F16) galaxy ? LOL .

JohninMK wrote:For what it is worth, it has been reported by Rybar that Surovikin was dismissed from his role but has now joined Wagner. If so so still paid by the Russian Military.

Rybar is a kremlin spinster gossip queen. He's full of shit. Nothing negative happened to Surovikin. He was on a holiday and got another post in a war cabinet reshuffle. He hasn't been the commander of the smo for some time

But Rybar went along with this tabloidy narrative around him like the western media did.

JohninMK wrote:Rybar Force
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Destruction of Ukrainian boats in the Black Sea

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A couple of hours later, the onboard armament of the MiG-29 fighter of the Russian Air Force destroyed another boat of the Willard type, supplied for the needs of the Ukrainian fleet by the American government.

"Willard" was detected 40 kilometers east of Snake Island. What was it doing there? Apparently, the Ukrainian boat was transporting personnel to one of the oil rigs, which, apparently, is used for the needs of the GSD.

Small correction: Ru navy uses Su-30CM,

and here's a nice vid to illustrate the 30mm at      

https://t.me/vzglyad_ru/83567



so such a boat full of muthafuckas was sank?

Stryker

JohninMK wrote:

JohninMK wrote:

Backman wrote:The US State Department approved the sale of 96 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters and equipment to Poland for a total of $12 billion.

96 Apache's is a lot isn't it ? I swear they are already gearing up for the 2026 war in Ukraine. 96 would make it the biggest non US operator of them. The next biggest is the UK with 67 of them.

As with many of their 'orders' there must be a good chance that they will have run out of money before they take more than the first few. They are Western not Russian prices

This order alone

US will arm Poland to the teeth for $12 billion

Warsaw ordered:

-96AH-64E Apache
-37 Longbow fire control radars
-1.844 AGM-114R2 Hellfire missiles
-460AGM-179AJAGM
-508 Stinger 92K Block I
-7.650 APKWS-II sets
As well as a lot of ammunition and detailed spare parts

Some guy (military think tank) was dissecting this deal and worked out all the costing (rounding up) and stated each Apache worked out to around $103mn USA which pretty crazy.

Value of farmland $25B, cost of clearing mines and cluster bombs 28B. Please pay 3B.

I believe Kiev estimated they needed 800 billion from Russia as compensation for Crimea and this conflict (including the return of all territories including the Crimea of course), so after the US and EU and UK pay 800 billion to the fix WUTBTU (what used to be the Ukraine) they can GTFO.

Imagine Zelensky in exile after the conflict is over always wanting to talk at all major western hosted events about how the job is not done and they need more money and weapons and ammo to build up forces to retake what was theirs... the west is losing patience now... imagine in 5 years time.

Yeah. It is an insanely large order. I think its pretty obvious what the long term plan is for Ukraine.

It will be years before they get any of it and they wont get any down payments back when they cancel bits of it.

That part is insane too. Even if everything was great in Poland, the population/gdp isn't big enough for orders like this. The US is probably going to finance it

The US didn't even finance the US bases in Poland and made Poland pay for them... I can't see them footing the bill for this conflict for very much longer... the more so if Biden does not get reelected... and I think the chances of that are non existent. Trump wants to stop the Ukraine conflict to focus on an economic war with China... he would probably take the US out of HATO.

It is probably intended to neutralize the KA-52 and if they have them in numbers, it would probably work to an extent.

I really don't think they would, Kamovs have DIRCM, but they also have Vikhr... those Apaches probably have DIRCM... so the Kamovs can stop the stingers and sidewinders but the Apaches wont be able to stop the Vikhrs.

And the 30mm gun of the Apache is a very low velocity gun suited for ground targets rather than aircraft, the 30mm gun on the Ka-52 is a high velocity 30mm autocannon that is very good for ground and air targets.

So Russia really needs to get what it wants done now or before 2025+ when this Polish army is ready.

Not really. Poland can arm itself to the teeth if it likes... it is part of HATO so if there is any conflict there Russia can destroy them with no worries about civilians or collateral damage... HATO is a threat to be eliminated so everything is on the table including nukes... and using nukes early makes sense as an option to shock the west out of an escalation spiral.

Actually finding a helicopter flying very low isn't easy. Israeli were defenceless against Syrian gazelles back in the day.

Modern fighter with a look down radar and IRST should spot them easily enough and an R-77 type missile should get the kill without IR countermeasures coming in to it.

The Ka-52 would not do any better against modern western fighters... it is a speed thing... and the fact that helicopters generally don't have a good picture of the airspace around them and even if they did they don't have the long range air to air missiles to do anything about it.

Even a MiG-29 has good radar range and decent air to air missiles... launched from 5-10km altitude the helicopter wont know what has hit them most of the time.

AD is the best option here and you better have something like tor or pantsir with both radars and opticals. Even then it's not easy if the chopper has a long range missile.

The best the Apache carries can reach maybe 8km with Hellfire... TOR reaches 16km and Pantsir reaches 20km and that is not mentioning BUK or Viking.

Without that, low flying aircraft pretty much disappear in ground clutter.

Exactly... a slow flying helicopter is removed from the radar display as noise... otherwise their radar displays would be showing cars and trucks on motorways and birds flying.

I think poland is just keeping russia busy stockpiling equipment themselves to extend the war than launch any offensive and its clearly working

At the end of the first world war and the start of the second world war they managed to grab quite a bit of territory... they obviously want to be prepared this time... whether it is facing the Russians at their new border with Russia, or moving their border forward and keeping the angry natives in check to their new agreed border with Russia...

In 4 weeks the Summer is over - Ukro and NATO shills promised us Ukraine will have taken Crimea this summer - well - you are still here:

That is an old HATO trick... did you get it in writing?

If it wasn't in a treaty then it didn't happen...

How long ago was that? A helo in winter with IRST = dead MEAT.

Modern missiles are also much better at hitting low flying targets from the short range IR guided missiles to the radar homing missiles.

Ukraine and its NATO sponsors are making drone attacks in Russia's capital city Moscow a common occurrence.

Russia will need to intensify its rocket, missile, drone and hopefully FOAB bombardment of all of Ukraine 100x fold!

It would be better to just erase Ukraine off the map, and then once every Ukrainian and NATO occupiers are Dead then move in to liberate the entire country.

The Dead Ukrainian and NATO terrorists will make the soil fertile for the Russians returning to their historical lands

That is exactly what the west wants... a faster end to the conflict.

I would say that moving things forward because of the boss guy wanting it done leads to Polish planes crashing in Russian forests and Russian moon lander from crashing into the moon instead of soft landing.

Putin gets results because he is not some idiot hot head like politicians are in the west.

The west confuses this with weakness.

If they are this desperate now then give it more time and they will be even more desperate.

Learning to deal with drones is a good thing in the long term.

Finding fifth columnists and cowards is an added bonus of the exercise.

https://www.rt.com/russia/581675-us-uk-ukraine-offensive-frustration/

West ‘perplexed’ by Ukraine’s strategy – NYT

US and UK officials reportedly believe the offensive is going poorly because Kiev has split its forces

Ukraine’s counteroffensive is struggling because some of Kiev’s best troops are “in the wrong places,” the New York Times reported on Tuesday, citing senior US and UK officials speaking on condition of anonymity.

Kiev's main objective is to reach the Sea of Azov, cutting Crimea off from the Russian mainland. Yet, Ukraine currently has more troops on the eastern front – facing Artyomovsk, also known as Bakhmut – than in the “far more strategically significant” south, according to the Times.

“American planners have advised Ukraine to concentrate on the front driving toward Melitopol… and on punching through Russian minefields and other defenses, even if the Ukrainians lose more soldiers and equipment in the process,” the newspaper claimed.

Kiev’s insistence on keeping a large force in the east is particularly “perplexing” to American and British officials, as Western doctrine calls for commitment to a clear main effort. They argue that a smaller force could serve to pin down the Russian defenders, and while Ukraine theoretically has enough troops to retake Artyomovsk, doing so would “lead to large numbers of losses for little strategic gain.”

Reader's comments wrote:US has everything to gain in this useless and meaningless war and Ukraine has everything to lose. Wondering when Zelensky will understand that he is fighting a hopeless war?