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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 23, 2023 7:40 am

    US and UK officials reportedly believe the offensive is going poorly because Kiev has split its forces

    I am no military strategist but concentrating all your forces to achieve and advance in one region would sort of leave your forces open to being hammered by enemy air and artillery superiority and lead to the enemy perhaps thinking while you are pushing there they can push somewhere else and crush your lines of defence leading you to have to stop your counter offensive and go on the defensive.

    The Ukraine cannot afford to move its forces around a lot because that takes fuel and will be spotted and punished by their enemy.

    But why expect any common sense on Kievs side... if they had that the Minsk agreements could have sorted everything out with little to no bloodshed for either side.

    What Kiev now needs to realise is that the enormous amount of blood Kiev has lost means nothing to its so called western allies and all they care about is that it was a chance to destabilise Putin and damage Russia. They failed in both directions, but that wont bring those Ukrainian men back to life... nothing will.

    Kiev continuing to fight means more territory will be lost and the final terms will be more harsh... ask the Fins about terms with Stalin, the terms were harder after they killed huge numbers of Soviet soldiers and lost anyway.

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    Post  higurashihougi Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:33 am

    GarryB wrote:But why expect any common sense on Kievs side... if they had that the Minsk agreements could have sorted everything out with little to no bloodshed for either side.

    I doubt whether the Kiev regime had any real authority to accept Russian terms even if they wanted to, or in better words, whether anyone who accepted Russian terms could be selected and backed by the masterminds in the USA...

    Zelensky probably knew the case of Ngô Đình Diệm brothers, whose bodies were found inside a M113 when USA realized that the puppets no longer had any uses and were potentially rebellious.

    GarryB wrote:What Kiev now needs to realise is that the enormous amount of blood Kiev has lost means nothing to its so called western allies and all they care about is that it was a chance to destabilise Putin and damage Russia. They failed in both directions, but that wont bring those Ukrainian men back to life. Kiev continuing to fight means more territory will be lost and the final terms will be more harsh...

    This is the tragic fate of the puppets and the country ruled by puppet regime... the puppets knew that they urgently needed some tangible results to back their vocarious demands of aids and therefore took a gamble in a counter-offensive heavily PR-ed and broadcasted... except that the enemy were well-prepared and had complete dominance in artillery and air forces.

    The sad thing is that it is the lives of ordinary Ukrainian people will be lost in this failed gamble, meanwhile Biden, Zelensky, Nazi ringleaders, and the hidden masters in Wall Streets will continued their comfy and luxurious life in somewhere else, and might be praised by the mainstream media as "philantropists" or "democracy champions". It is extremely ironic and extremely tragic that these disgusting insolent sons of a ***** will face no consequences of the horrendous deeds they cause to Russian and Ukrainian people.

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    Post  Backman Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:58 am

    Col Douglas Mcgregor made a point about the Abrams. The turbine engine is running full throttle all the time. This makes them glow like a candle on infrared sights. He said the infrared can be seen from low earth orbit

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:12 am

    Col Douglas Mcgregor made a point about the Abrams. The turbine engine is running full throttle all the time. This makes them glow like a candle on infrared sights. He said the infrared can be seen from low earth orbit

    Well they run hot whether they are at full throttle or on idle is the better point to be made, but moving a 70 ton tank means you need to run very high throttle most of the time and gas turbines get torque at their highest rpm settings which also burns the most fuel.

    Operating a tank on a battlefield is not cruising around in top gear at high speed shooting the bad guys and then straight back home for tea and biscuits.

    Normally it is a rush from one point of cover to the next trying to find and engage targets and threats which is not fuel efficient at all... but worse so for a gas turbine.

    In 10-20 years time when armour is electric powered then a gas turbine makes sense to generate electricity... no torque required... just run the gas turbine at a fuel efficient rate and use the electrical current to move the vehicle around.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am

    Colonel-General Afzalov appointed to replace Surovikin as Acting Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, by Alina Vlasenko for VZGLYAD. 09.23.2023.

    The duties of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, instead of Sergei Surovikin, will temporarily be performed by the Chief of the General Staff of the Aerospace Forces, General Viktor Afzalov, the source said.

    A RIA Novosti source confirmed that Surovikin had been relieved of his post, and Afzalov was temporarily performing the duties of Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces.

    Earlier , RBC sources reported that Surovikin was relieved of his post due to a transfer to another job, but now he is on vacation.

    Afzalov was already acting commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces when Surovikin commanded the Joint Group of Troops and Forces in the NVO zone.

    https://vz.ru/news/2023/8/23/1226947.html

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    Post  Arrow Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:29 am

    Very interesting why they removed Surovikin?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:01 am

    There were likely conflicts over how the war should be fought... politics and military considerations often clash, this wont be the first and certainly wont be the last time it has happened... there were US generals talking about using nukes in both the Korean war and the Vietnam war... mostly from pure frustration that the enemy wasn't playing "fair".

    Most of the New Zealand soldiers who went to Vietnam said it was strange... most never saw the enemy and their time was spent avoiding traps and surviving in the jungle.

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    Post  Werewolf Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:04 am

    Isos wrote:

    Actually finding a helicopter flying very low isn't easy. Israeli were defenceless against Syrian gazelles back in the day.

    AD is the best option here and you better have something like tor or pantsir with both radars and opticals. Even then it's not easy if the chopper has a long range missile.

    +100% agreed.

    Even with today's technology it's still hard to see low flying objects from airborne radars. Airborne radars need to filter the clutter to be even useful to the pilot.
    If you don't remember, the Ukro Mi-24 that was flying into Belgorod and destroyed the a silo in an oil riffnery. Do you really believe Russia did not have any airborne radar in the air at wartime that would have been in the sky?

    Low flying helicopters neutralize any advantage for jets, no first surprise attacks or longer ranged weapons.

    The issue becomes bigger for the jet, when it will be send out to a certain point to find and destroy a helicopter, when he arrives at the location and can not pick up anything let alone see anything visually.
    What does he do? Either report and be send back or he has to loiter trying to find the target he was send to kill and might fly over hostile territory.
    Then gets picked up by any one with enough range.
    Also Jet fighters that are hunting for helicopters are usually flying somewhere on the same height as their target and at speeds below between 400-800 km/h,so they can see them as a dark dot against the blue sky, which makes them hunter and hunted at the same time. They are in weapons range of any MANPAD now.

    Also comparing Middle Eastern incidents with European environment is worthless. The entire Middle Eastern incidents had either plain open fields with little clutter effect on radars and where some form of rock or desert in texture with little visual variety.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:36 am

    Except that flying up river beds at random places along the thousand km long battlefield line is not what these Apaches will be doing... they will need to be where Russian Armour is and Russian dug in positions, which exposes them to Verba and TOR and Pantsir as well as weapons like Kornet-EM with a range of 10km in the HE Frag armed version with laser beam riding that gives the helicopter no warning and no defence except dropping behind terrain before impact.

    There was much talk in the west about the Ka-50 being the worlds first fighter air to air combat helicopter but it all turned out to be BS.

    A modern fighter with a modern look down shoot down radar against an attack helicopter is a pretty one sided affair most of the time.

    At the end of Desert Storm the Americans detected two helicopters crossing into Iraqi airspace (using AWACS) and sent two F-15s to investigate.... they were scared shitless that it might be Hinds so never got within about 5km of the helicopters... they decided they were Hinds and shot them both down from standoff distances.

    The two American Blackhawk helicopters probably didn't know what hit them... one sidewinder each and they were down.

    The F-15s blew past the helicopters and observed from no closer than 5km travelling at over 600km/h because they feared the Hinds might have AA-8 air to air missiles, which AFAIK they didn't at that time anyway. From an Su-24 it can reach 7km but from a helicopter it might be effective to MANPADS range... 5km or so... which explains the F-15 pilots caution.

    There were Iraqi and US officials on both helicopters who were killed... I seem to remember it was the guy in the AWACS that got fired for that. I seem to remember he was Asian and thought at the time he was the scapegoat. The helicopter had flown from one sector to the next without changing to the correct IFF code, or it was an out of date code or something.

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    Post  Hole Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:06 pm

    West ‘perplexed’ by Ukraine’s strategy
    Translated: We got nothing to do with that debacle! It´s all the fault of the Ukros!

    far more strategically significant
    Because Russians can´t come in from the North or East.  Rolling Eyes

    as Western doctrine calls for commitment to a clear main effort.
    Which is great as long as you are fighting against a defenceless 3rd World shithole.

    They argue that a smaller force could serve to pin down the Russian defenders
    That tactic worked great around Kupyansk.  lol1

    theoretically has enough troops to retake Artyomovsk
    Theoretically I could be the next MJ. In reality I´m way too small.

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    Post  mr_hd Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:21 pm

    Ukraine claims it has bombed and destroyed S-400 system in the western part of Crimea, there are clips online.

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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:00 pm

    mr_hd wrote:Ukraine claims it has bombed and destroyed S-400 system in the western part of Crimea, there are clips online.
    You can’t really ID what AD system was destroyed in the video, could be S-300 as well
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    Post  zare Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:26 pm

    We have a video with a drone flying over a field recording a destruction of some equipment.
    Supposedly the equipment is Russian S-400 and it's Ukrainian drone shooting Ukrainian weapon destroying it. So supposedly the Ukrainians are just flying around high-tech AD sites and bombing them.

    On the other hand factual info of the day is the legalization of opening of that biggest cemetery in the world by Ukrainian gov't. That might explain why people talk about supposed unverified S-400 attack

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    Post  kvs Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:33 pm

    Yeah, loser retards coping. These freaks had every opportunity to avoid war with the Minsk agreements but instead with their
    hate hardons they had to go for it. Now they can eat the shit they so richly deserve.

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    Post  Regular Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:47 pm

    https://twitter.com/Alisa_Vasilisa_/status/1694341214982553789
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    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47 - Page 27 2757Russian special military operation in Ukraine #47 - Page 27 1f1f7-1f1faRussian special military operation in Ukraine #47 - Page 27 1f1fa-1f1e6 According to our Mi-8, which disappeared a couple of weeks ago, I have the following information.The crew, for some reason, lost their bearings and crossed the ribbon. Perhaps there was a "radio game" on the part of the Ukrainians, perhaps a navigation failure, and Deshman's GPSs do not work there
    Russian Mi-8 landed in Poltava
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:49 pm

    Arrow wrote:Very interesting why they removed Surovikin?

    Have you been living under a rock?

    He is a military officer who committed high treason against his nation and people, he should have been hanged long ago

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    Post  GarryB Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:07 pm

    Ukraine claims it has bombed and destroyed S-400 system in the western part of Crimea, there are clips online.

    Ukraine also claims to be winning.

    Western media is full of clips about them winning as long as you don't look too carefully and can see which side is shooting and which side is dying.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:15 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Very interesting why they removed Surovikin?

    Have you been living under a rock?

    He is a military officer who committed high treason against his nation and people, he should have been hanged long ago


    How did he betray anything? He saved the SMO from total failure

    He started bombing Ukraine, and razing things to the ground before the fag leadership decided to betray its own people because hohol lives matter

    Notice that the people who are the best at killing Ukrainians get removed from leadership positions

    Putin is running up a big check now: Mizintsev, Teplinsky, Surovikin, Prigozhin

    Who the **** wants to fight for this midget ?

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    Post  ucmvulcan Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:36 pm

    mr_hd wrote:Ukraine claims it has bombed and destroyed S-400 system in the western part of Crimea, there are clips online.

    And I claim that you are the product of a french prostitute with webbed feet named Chloe and her Johm and there are clips online.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:02 pm

    I saw the video, what was claimed was either a S-300/S-400 in Crimea was hit and whatever it was it exploded pretty well.

    As for the Mi-8 see pics below and the news circulating around this. It's still too early to say. Two pieces of news below.

    1) A Mil Mi-8 helicopter of the Air Force of the Russian Federation, which was carrying parts for the Su-27 and Su-30M fighter jets, landed in the Poltava region of Ukraine.

    Either it could have been a life mistake of the pilots, or a betrayal, because based on one of the photos, it is clear that blood was spilled. If this was betrayal by the pilots seems they were betrayed in return when they landed.

    Anyway, the fate of the people on board is unknown.

    2) Sources of the Ukrainian regime are classically spreading lies.

    A Mil Mi-8 helicopter of the Air Force of the Russian Federation made an emergency landing near the village of Poltava in the Kharkov region due to damage caused from the ground.

    The helicopter crew was able to destroy the passwords and codes of the state recognition system, indicating that they fought to the end.

    The information comes from a source who is in contact with the family members of the crew members and all of them are in the Russian Federation.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:06 pm

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    He was the first deputy leader of the Right Sector. Ukrainian militant and former deputy of the city council of Kyiv, Sergei Ilnitsky, who fought in the 28th Motorized Rifle Brigade, was destroyed near Kurdyumovka in the Artemovsk direction.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:09 pm

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    ❗🇷🇺🇺🇦 As you might expect: the Ukrainian side has published footage of a strike on an air defense positioning area on Cape Tarkhankut. Only the S-300 SAMs, not S-400s, and a gasoline tanker were hit, but it is interesting that the destruction of the SAMs was caught on the camera of a UAV.

    Judging by the footage, the drone was located to the north-west of the hit, i.e. in the waters of the Black Sea somewhere south of the Tendrovskaya Spit.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:27 pm

    Effective demolition of the insides leaving the walls standing for future renovation. The Russians think ahead about preserving society.

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    🇷🇺🇺🇦 The building of the Drama Theater in Chernihiv after being hit by an R-500 (9M728) cruise missile of the Iskander complex.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:35 pm

    There are so many of these now that I am only going to post the exceptional one. Like this SPG Shocked stay to the end, a bit of area demolition.

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:37 pm

    A Mi-8 came under fire near Kupyansk, Kharkov oblast and had to do an emergency landing. There is a small village (some 20 old houses) near the landing spot called "Poltava" (not to be confused with the big city of Poltava, Poltava oblast)...

    It didn't carry anything interesting (why would it, there?)...

    Crew was ambushed and killed before any recovery operation could commence.

    UA propagandists started spreading fakes about it immediately. "Mi-8 defected to Poltava (the city) carrying secret Su-30 stuff"...

    I mean, that DMR-400T is an off-the-shelf voltage regulator/stabilizer, to prevent fried electrical appliances when mains is unstable. Top secret Su-30 stuff, yeah.

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