Russian special military operation in Ukraine #48

Dr.Snuffle wrote:Earlier this summer, it seems like. If it's the same (quite graphic) video that just now started making the rounds elsewhere. Can't check TG now.

They've held onto this material for a while.

Cf the Russian nazis under Ukrainian command ("Freedom of Russia Legion", whose figurehead is known neo-nazi and esteemed friend of Ukraine Andronikov) that were and still are touted by media as constituting some kind of amazing (and supposedly "local", as if it's some domestic partisan-like resistance, haha) threat to Russia and Putin, after their clusterfuck of an incursion into Belgorod.

It's just funny how often reality turns out to be 180 from what we are "supposed" to believe.

Russian SSO sit on materials and some only get shared in private TGs. 

Bukhanka footage is from 13th of June.

Now regards lossed, do you think those nazis or self hating Russians care about Ukrianian borderguards and soldiers who got shot? There are places in Ukraine where teroborona units get 5-10 KIA per week and they can’t do shit about it. Only to evacuate. Small SSO raids are brutal.

The arrogance is hilarious.

The "world-beating tank" was damaged/destroyed before in Iraq. 
Even the western tank "experts" never put the Challenger 2 near the top of their "best tank" lists.
It was always the Leo2 or the M1. Or maybe the LeFrog. But never the Challenger 2.

Thus, there are practically no Russian troops in Belarus at the moment.

As if he would know that.

Ukrainian intelligence

Oxymoron

It is the most graphic thing i have seen so far. It's not really close. 

These guys shoot to kill.
Sidenote: Looks as if Kiev is in "full control" of those territories. 


While Kiev is busy damaging windows in some skyscraper in Moscow, Russian soldiers are blowing up bridges in "Ukraine".
This is a small bridge, but nevertheless.

kvs wrote:The fake story being put out about the precious wonder waffle Challenger is that it hit a mine which only started a gas tank fire and
the crew safely evacuated.   After this the tank was supposedly hit by a Russian ATGM.  

Supposing that the first stage claim is true, then why would Russian forces destroy the tank instead of taking it as a basically intact
trophy?  It's supposed to have  super-duper-high-tech armour and shit that backwards Russians would want to investigate.

Interesting geolocation where tank was destroyed and other vehicles too (2 BMPs, 1 M113 and a pickup). Most likely mines (track rolled off), ATGMs alone wouldn’t stop whole group in same exact spot, then krasnopols to finish them. It looks like one it dived through the roof with no challenge. They were all caught in a killzone without even reaching LOC. Many of similar squares even further. 
Hence why Russia didn’t have a chance to recover western tanks. They are too deep. Fun will start when first lines will be attacked, but so far it will be mostly infantry and in muddy season we will not see tanks at all

Hole wrote:

The arrogance is hilarious.

The "world-beating tank" was damaged/destroyed before in Iraq. 
Even the western tank "experts" never put the Challenger 2 near the top of their "best tank" lists.
It was always the Leo2 or the M1. Or maybe the LeFrog. But never the Challenger 2.

Thus, there are practically no Russian troops in Belarus at the moment.

As if he would know that.

Ukrainian intelligence

Oxymoron

It is the most graphic thing i have seen so far. It's not really close. 

These guys shoot to kill.
Sidenote: Looks as if Kiev is in "full control" of those territories. 

While Kiev is busy damaging windows in some skyscraper in Moscow, Russian soldiers are blowing up bridges in "Ukraine".
This is a small bridge, but nevertheless.

The Abrams uses the same Chobham armour as the Challenger 2, i am pretty sure it was either a Sassenach or a Taff that invented Chobham and the Challenger is more heavily armoured than both the leopard and the Abrams tanks, the new Challenger 3 has now got a newer improved version of Chobham, and as i said earlier in this thread the Challenger 2 was penetrated at least twice at the thickest part of the armor in Iraq via a RPG 29v projectiles thus 2 challenger tank drivers are going about with no feet, and a fair amount of Abrams were taken out by the Iraqis, and the Yanks insisted the Iraq armed forces were banned from purchasing the RPG 29v

Russian engineers will learn the secret of the “super armor” of the British Challenger tank https://vz.ru/society/2023/9/5/1229030.html

Ukr. AF update btw, the F-16s won't help them much IMO, which is shared by many experts.

The US predicted the liberation of Kyiv by Russian troops
https://vz.ru/news/2023/9/7/1229349.html

https://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider/2023/09/06/in-ukraine-the-best-plan-b-is-the-plan-before-plan-a/

RE : the Mariupol theater explosion, did anyone ever see any credible pix or vids of mass casualties? I say a lot of rubble, a body or 2 (no positively credible. But of there were 600 people in that building IMHO there would be body parts strewn all over the place form an explosion like that.

mnztr wrote:RE : the Mariupol theater explosion, did anyone ever see any credible pix or vids of mass casualties? I say a lot of rubble, a body or 2 (no positively credible. But of there were 600 people in that building IMHO there would be body parts strewn all over the place form an explosion like that.

When the local rescuers dug it out, they found the remains of 14 adults, and that's the final toll to this day I believe.

JohninMK wrote:

Tsavo Lion wrote:[b]Russian engineers will learn the secret of the “super armor” of the British Challenger tank

You could have warned that all 3 links were in Russian.

U can use google or yandex translation to get their meaning.

The disastrous Ukrainian counteroffensive is probably in its final phase. I guess afterwards we will see the Russian counter-counteroffensive. Hopefully Russia will make lots of territorial gains, so Nafo trolls can stop pointing at how little the Russian front has advanced so far. The stronger Russia appears to the West, the more likely it is that Nato will not try to start a direct war with Russia.

Cracks started to appear in Washington: https://news.antiwar.com/2023/09/07/us-intel-official-media-misleading-americans-about-ukraines-battlefield-success/

But you still got it wrong. This was 110% done on purpose as a false flag for a propaganda headline.

It was not an accident. How can you think it was an accident ? People here still don't get how depraved the US is.

You are not wrong to be cynical, but as it seems to be a HARM missile which is intended to hit radar emitting equipment, so if it hit civilians it was clearly off course... but then they would never not take advantage of a useful situation to pretend to care and pretend Russia does not care.

From what I understand, most of the time you see turret fly-offs it's because the ammo caught fire and detonated already some time after the tank had been knocked out and the crew had evacuated.

That is a consequence of the fact that it is normally a RPG or missile that hit the vehicle blowing a tiny hole through the armour and setting it on fire. If fuel and ammo do not go up immediately the crew will generally have time to escape, but in this case it was supposed to have been hit from above by a 152mm guided Krasnopol round which likely set the ammo and fuel off all immediately rather than after a period of burning.

Guns and $$ talk. That's what China does that's what Russia should do - focus on creating more guns and $$. Obeiscences will follow.

Russia knows how to balance its books and so does China... it is the west that needs such advice because they think they can borrow their way out of everything.

May have been DU ammo.

It probably was... the 120mm ammo it uses is not compatible with Leopards or the other vehicles they received, so only UK ammo could be used and that was DU.

A statement from the U.S. State Department clarifies that this involves $5.4 million, which will be used for "reintegration and rehabilitation."

Man they are stupid... western companies have invested 100 times more money than Russians have stashed overseas and lets face it... if you are a Russian and you have a lot of money and assets in the west then they are not the sort of people most ordinary Russians in Russia will care much about.

All those foreign assets in Russia... joint ownerships of companies etc etc... I bet Putin has a list of western owners who drag money out of the Russian economy through their ownership of companies in Russia he will just be itching to nationalise and the US and EU are making this easy.

Remember doing this 5 years ago and Putin would be the biggest criminal that ever lived... but now he is just responding to actions of the west so they wont even be able to tell him he is a naughty boy.

Of course they are taking funds to compensate those wronged by Russian actions... I wonder if Africa and Central and South America and Asia and everyone else is paying attention to this interesting precedent being set by the collective west... I am sure they are going to enjoy the fallout from such actions and will benefit immensely from such justice...

It is possible, yet irrelevant. DU ammo makes problems when hits the target. It pulverizes, contaminates the air and ground, and can be inhaled by the people nearby. As long as it stays as a solid rod, it is not an issue. You can lick one for a whole day Laughing and you won't be harmed.

Put it in a fire where even steel melts....

Second challenger 2 ? That's what ? 30% of their challie reserves ?

Those people still think that they can win against Russia with 14 challenger 2 and 30 leopard 2 when they lost thousands of vehicles manned by better troops for the last year.

And the way nato delivers weapons, by sending ten items every month to be sure the war just goes on knowing they won't be able to do anything, should show them they won't win. But yet they continue.

Or maybe they still think 10 nato tanks are enough to win against Russia. Then they really need help.

Isos wrote:Second challenger 2 ? That what ? 30% of their challie reserves ?

Those people still think that they can win against Russia with 14 challenger 2 and 30 leopard 2 when they lost thousands of vehicles manned by better troops for the last year.

And the way nato delivers weapons, by sending ten items every month to be sure the war just goes on knowing they won't be able to do anything, should show them they won't win. But yet they continue.

Or maybe they still think 10 nato tanks are enough to win against Russia. Then they really need help.

Wait till 404 gets the mighty Abrahams...

The propaganda works everytime with them. Javelin, tow, leo 2, challenger 2, m1a1, f-16, scalp, mlrs, harm...

For every nato weapon thry think few samples will change the course of the war.

I mean if believing in its own propaganda is like a drug seller sniffing all its cocaine. Once it starts happening it's too late to stop the damages.

kvs wrote:It seems that the US generals involved in conducting this proxy war drink the koolaid that is spewed by the NATzO fake stream media.   They really expected
Russian forces to run in the face of the Ukr "counter-offensive".    It's like Maxim guns against Zulu warriors.   One NATzO tank is supposedly enough to
take on thousands of Russian soldiers.  The colonial brain rot in the west is permanent.  

I believe that the company of Challengers was very specifically held "back" in order to decimate "what was left" of the Russian tanks