Russian special military operation in Ukraine #49
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So Ukraine is asking to get weapon for retaliation strikes against Iranian drone factories. Probably that is just a pretext to get long range weapon for attacks against Russia, but if they are serious about attacking Iran, then Iran would have the right to stop distancing itself from weapon deliveries to Russia.
And maybe Iran should investigate how much the Kiev regime was involved in the incident, when flight 752 was accidently shot down by Iranian forces in 2020. Afaik all other airlines voluntarily did not take off, when Iran's air defence was on high alert due to possible intrusions of American fighter jets that day. Correct me if I am wrong, but suspiciously only the Ukrainian airline took the decision to resume its flightplan.
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ever provided evidence of shipments of drones from Iran to Russia.
There is no way Ukraine is getting ballistic missiles to hit Iran, thousands of kilometers away. All the bleating about ATACMS involves
a 300 km range missile at best. The article talks about requests for NATzO to strike Iran. That is not going to happen.
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Rasisuki Nebia wrote:The Russians created the illusion that the Ukie counter offensive is unsuccessful by holding the first line of defense for more than 3 months
But you must admit, that it is both the clear signature of a propaganda genie, and stupidity of the audience they are addressing to. Combined.
Hypersonic missiles are just normal missiles, only can't be intercepted.
Isn't that a pure gold?
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Hole wrote:The Armed Forces of Ukraine recognized the arrival of at least ten “Geraniums” on targets that night.
In what specific locations is not reported.
“The Russian Armed Forces produce 50-70 Geranium kamikaze UAVs per day. In principle, ours can safely release about 2000 of these birds per month. Dill deliberately underestimates the numbers of daily such strikes so as not to provoke depressive moods in society. And while the PPO is performing well, imagine how much damage they cause to the rear of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and this is not yet the maximum limit.
Soon, according to forecasts, there may be 100-200 “birds” per day, and the N@zis are aware that we are increasing production. Ordinary Tarasiks, of course, are not told about this. They are pleased with the burnt attic of the historic headquarters building in Sevastopol. But this is for the time being.”
-Timofey Ermakov
50-70 per day is hard to beleive. It's not a small drone. That would be 2 per hour...
Possible only if they many production lines and good stocks of electronics, with China backing them.
Right now their military industry is busy producing everything they use so they can't just pop up a production like that. They also have not used the geran for months now in big waves, keeping them for the winter.
If they had 2000 geran per month, they would have atomized every target by now and wouldn't be shy in their use.
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It was 284 000 beginning of August.
Do your math.
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SolidarityWithRussia wrote:https://www.rt.com/news/583656-ukraine-missile-strikes-iran-syria/
So Ukraine is asking to get weapon for retaliation strikes against Iranian drone factories. Probably that is just a pretext to get long range weapon for attacks against Russia, but if they are serious about attacking Iran, then Iran would have the right to stop distancing itself from weapon deliveries to Russia.
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from Guardian:
Among the suggestions for action by Ukraine’s western allies – at which they would probably baulk – are “missile strikes on the production plants of these UAVs in Iran, Syria, as well as on a potential production site in the Russian federation”.
The document goes on: “The above may be carried out by the Ukrainian defence forces if partners provide the necessary means of destruction.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/27/revealed-europes-role-in-the-making-of-russia-killer-drones
yes try to bomb Iran and Iran sends you back some ballistic missiles to Kiev :d
he air travel (bird fly) shortest distance between Tehrān and Kiev is 2,347 km
https://www.distancefromto.net/distance-from-tehran-to-kiev#:~:text=The%20air%20travel%20(bird%20fly),takes%202.6%20hours%20to%20arrive
Iranian BMs have range enough to reach
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Isos wrote:
50-70 per day is hard to beleive. It's not a small drone. That would be 2 per hour...
Possible only if they many production lines and good stocks of electronics, with China backing them.
electronics cna be bought anywhere but true in China should be the easiest way.
Right now their military industry is busy producing everything they use so they can't just pop up a production like that. They also have not used the geran for months now in big waves, keeping them for the winter.
If they had 2000 geran per month, they would have atomized every target by now and wouldn't be shy in their use.
That would be a simple assumption that production capabilities haven't change over time. What it might be just incorrect. U(k)rine sources claim there are lines in: Iran, Syria and Russia...
I hope new ones with jet engine can do more harm
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I would just say, that they have just opened a fully working production stream.
For a while, they are using 30-400+ pcs each day, with a peak of 48 (!!).
I am pretty sure they are nod draining the stocks, but opposite.
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NATO bomb Iran ? Well maybe when Trump comes to power . But then NATO can go play with Barbie plastic bits ! We are not Barbie fans here ! No cultural imperialism !
How about Air- dropping plastic explosive filled Barbie Dolls , in GAYTO country ? Their soldiers will love them ! ( trans-gender Barbie types )
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Hole wrote:
Another bridge destroyed by Russia. Some reports claim Russia is preparing assault companies to advance further.
Looks like they hit the exact right spot, right next to a pier. A KS-38 was suggested.
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Russia would grant Iran access to russian territory to retaliate.Iranian BMs have range enough to reach
Sure, but compared to a car the drone is small and very simple to make. And there are factories around the world that produceIt's not a small drone.
more cars a day than that.
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It is one more medial fart made by banderits.
Everything to make anyone more interested/involved.
Now they play a game to make some asymmetric threat to the nations US propaganda already painted as enemies.
It is the only background here.
It is a freak show, nothing more.
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The vehicle carries the mortar inside and uses an electromechanical actuator to deploy it from the back. The mortar quickly settles on a square base on the ground that keeps the platform steady and allows it to fire continuously at full load without affecting the vehicle that transports it.
The whole process of deploying, aiming, firing at two different targets, withdrawing, and moving to another location can be done in just over a minute. In fact, it can fire two 120mm mortar rounds in 67 seconds after going into action, then relocate before the enemy battery can retaliate.
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How did you figured that out, before 2018?
... and after 2019?
Edit : to check how fantastic is the Ukro offensive going ...
They have just published - at the official MoD site - IR camera pics with a description you all see.
With blurred markings of Russian MoD right top, published a day before ...
Of the Ukrs surrendering.
This thing is jumping out of box. It is some fukin freak show.
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The Kremlin explained plans to increase defense spending as a hybrid war
Подробнее на РБК:https://www.rbc.ru/politics/28/09/2023/6515587b9a794751d19a7bc3?from=newsfeed
Russia continues its military operation and lives in a state of hybrid war unleashed against it, Peskov said in response to a question about the planned increase in defense spending. In the draft budget for 2024, their share will be 29.3%
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The draft budget of the Ministry of Finance assumes total expenses in the amount of 36.6 trillion rubles. and income at the level of 35 trillion rubles. in 2024. The largest expenditure falls on the national defense section - 29.3%, or 10.7 trillion rubles, which is equivalent to 6% of GDP.
so it's up 30% but also to 6% GDP. If we take Russia's PPPGDP (according to IMF) $5,164.678 B in 2024.
what makes %6 = $309 B
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2023/April/weo-report?c=922,&s=NGDPD,PPPGDP,NGDPDPC,PPPPC,&sy=2022&ey=2027&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1
ALAMO wrote:I'm not sure what are you even discussing.
It is one more medial fart made by banderits.
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It is a freak show, nothing more.
same with death of BSF Commander isnt it?
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MIC PPP is for sure much higher. I would say at least 5 based on prices of large hardware (e.g. submarines). So the $300 billion (PPP)
becomes over $600 billion.
Yankeeland is not facing a banana republic opponent.
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A resource that collects information about fires showed that yesterday the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost two large BC warehouses
Large fires were detected by satellite in the area of Krivoy Rog and Kirovograd.
Presumably, the strikes were carried out by the Geranium UAV.
Such targeted strikes will force the enemy to push their weapons deeper into the rear, from where it will take longer and more difficult to deliver them to the LBS undetected.
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Taking into account that some stuff is really cheap in Russia, the defence spending in both countries will be roughly on the same level next year.So the $300 billion (PPP) becomes over $600 billion.
But Russia has no 800 bases around the globe or 11 more or less useless aircraft carriers.
Hopefully Russia can sustain that level for a few years and spend some of the extra money on the fleet.
I doubt that the Ukros could move something bigger than a Lada undetected towards the frontlines.from where it will take longer and more difficult to deliver them to the LBS undetected.
Most of the tome the Russians wait until the stuff is closer to the front because it is easier and cheaper to destroy.
But with the ever increasing number of drones and missiles of all sorts + more and more glide bombes it is getting cheaper and cheaper
to hit the stuff already deep in the rear areas. Even smaller depots.
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These are important for the MiC as well.
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The range of the launcher is OF-45 rocket firing range reaches 4500 meters, and for OFD-45, it reaches up to 9500 meters. The weight of the warhead in the first case is 5.56 kilograms, and in the second it is 6 kilograms.
There are also ZZh-45 incendiary rockets close to OF-45 in their characteristics. The launcher carries 22 rockets.
There has also been images of RBU 6000 system being mounted on MTLB this was originally for anti submarine missions, which carry heavier rockets and warheads 19-23kg warheads. 5km range. This i have never heard of being used in such a way. The image I saw was MTLB on the back of tank carrier armed with the system but it was poor quality picture.
What I say is why not? Why wouldn't you use up old ammo on Ukrainians. These rockets would be lethal against infantry and light armour vehicles, death and casualties is the name of the game here.
MT-LB with A-22 rocket launcher
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