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ArrowIt's definitely about using the 40N6 with the A 50 and shooting below the horizon at maximum distances. The 40N6 missile has an active warhead.
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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
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Godric wrote:Hole wrote:That is the designation of an obese american tank.Does anyone have information on the M1 Abrams?
the ones Ukraine are getting are the slimmed down/diet version lacking any modern tech, it's all been removed in fear Mother Russia happens to capture one in tack, like the Leo 2s captured by the Motherland
..and when their wunder-panzers get annilihated by Russian forces, the Murkanz will use this as an excuse why they weren't up to snuff, and will "explain" that if they were full spec then they would have slapped down the Russian mud-hut dwellers. Its predictable and brain-dead nonsense, but that is what desperate liars do when they choose to ignore reality.
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lancelot wrote:US M1 Abrams was penetrated frontally by the RPG-29 in Iraq. Back then the US were crying that the Russians had sold the Iraqis the Kornet, breaking UN weapons sales sanctions, and that was why they were being able to penetrate the tank.
For reference the RPG-29 is supposed to be able to penetrate 750 of RHA while the Kornet can penetrate over 1300 of RHA. And the RPG-29 penetrated this precious "US only" M1 with super duper depleted uranium armor package.
Sometimes I wonder how many hints concerning the western supa dupa technology people need to finally get the point
Every single wunderwaffe delivered gets the same spin, the same hype, and ends up the same way.
The last and most hilarious jerking was about ATACSM, while the sole achievement they get was blasting a few choppers. While tons of whining about how the bad&evil Russkie are jamming them any time they want
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what arrow said. It finally proves the complex datalinking of the s400 with awacs. I bet even modern fighters are connected as well as with shorads.
They are flexing. Giving the west a hint that f-16 fighters light up via radio waves just as well as a mig-29 and that the f-16 fighters will get shot down with impunity. Also letting the west know that there are still many tricks up the sleeve of the Russian MIC which have not been revealed yet. Good to hear.
This kind of interconnectedness will be key in stopping cruise missile attacks and multi system drone and missile attacks.
They are flexing. Giving the west a hint that f-16 fighters light up via radio waves just as well as a mig-29 and that the f-16 fighters will get shot down with impunity. Also letting the west know that there are still many tricks up the sleeve of the Russian MIC which have not been revealed yet. Good to hear.
This kind of interconnectedness will be key in stopping cruise missile attacks and multi system drone and missile attacks.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
GunshipDemocracy Wed Oct 25, 2023 3:28 pm
ALAMO wrote:
Sometimes I wonder how many hints concerning the western supa dupa technology people need to finally get the point
Every single wunderwaffe delivered gets the same spin, the same hype, and ends up the same way.
The last and most hilarious jerking was about ATACSM, while the sole achievement they get was blasting a few choppers. While tons of whining about how the bad&evil Russkie are jamming them any time they want
but but Russians stole the designs of US supa dupa missile technology. They stole it in such a way that they were able to build it, while the US couldn't because they took all the copies
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kvs wrote:Why call it new if it was the S-400? Some sort of network enhancement?
It is the new long range version (400 km range). Planned weapon but slower getting into production and use.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
Stealthflanker Wed Oct 25, 2023 4:42 pm
Arrow wrote:Patriots in Kiev were not destroyed?
AFAIK they received 2 batteries. One is in Kiev, the other apparently somewhere in Kharkov back in the day.
One can't just plan the "best" scenario and suddenly roll Tu-22M3 with glide FAB's.
Arrow wrote:
https://t.me/jnb_news/37050
Something new S 350?
Systems, can be anything really.
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Even western pundits had to admit that at least 15 of 18 ATACMS were shot down.The last and most hilarious jerking was about ATACSM
The AD systems and fighter jets are only one side of the coin. The other are the new suicide drones.that the f-16 fighters will get shot down with impunity.
Some planes were destroyed on the ground with those drones, possibly connected to recon complexes
of all kind.
Some people claim that these events in the last weeks were some sort of training for the incoming(?) F-16s.
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lancelot wrote:US M1 Abrams was penetrated frontally by the RPG-29 in Iraq. Back then the US were crying that the Russians had sold the Iraqis the Kornet, breaking UN weapons sales sanctions, and that was why they were being able to penetrate the tank.
For reference the RPG-29 is supposed to be able to penetrate 750 of RHA while the Kornet can penetrate over 1300 of RHA. And the RPG-29 penetrated this precious "US only" M1 with super duper depleted uranium armor package.
The RPG 29v penetrated the better protected Challenger 2 on the thickest part of the armor (lower hull front glacis) on two occasions leading to both drivers having there foot amputated, they had to add extra armor to the lower front hull called Dorchester, and the USA forbade Iraq from buying new stocks of RPG 29Vs
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Some people claim that these events in the last weeks were some sort of training for the incoming(?) F-16s. wrote:
If the Russians have already shot down Ukrainian fighters using the S-400 and A 50, i.e. using the 40N6 missile below the horizon, this is very bad news for the F-16. In addition, they have 48N6DM and 9M82MD missiles at higher altitudes, and also R-37M. These are only very long-range missiles, and there are many others, as we know.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
Arkanghelsk Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:33 pm
This can only mean one thing
AWACS is the most important aircraft necessary right now
The entire country will become aware of this, that A50U with S400 has downed ATACMS and 24 Ukrainian aircraft in 5 days
This means that there is only one reason that drones, stormshadow, and other missiles ever hit their targets, and that's the lack of AWACS
I repeat, this is the most important aircraft needed today
AWACS is the most important aircraft necessary right now
The entire country will become aware of this, that A50U with S400 has downed ATACMS and 24 Ukrainian aircraft in 5 days
This means that there is only one reason that drones, stormshadow, and other missiles ever hit their targets, and that's the lack of AWACS
I repeat, this is the most important aircraft needed today
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- Post n°137
Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
Stealthflanker Wed Oct 25, 2023 5:43 pm
Would love to see how F-16 would be hyped as new wunderwaffen. I'll be honest it would be rather 1 sided fight with Su-35S's with R-37.
The F-16 However with AMRAAM's might allow Ukraine some fighting chance over Black Sea, escorting their Su-24 with Storm Shadow. It might even offer even chance against early Su-30SM's. Especially if NATO realtime intel is provided. When they deploy F-16 over Black sea tho i expect NATO assets would withdraw, or they might become victim of stray BVR missile from Russian side.
The F-16 However with AMRAAM's might allow Ukraine some fighting chance over Black Sea, escorting their Su-24 with Storm Shadow. It might even offer even chance against early Su-30SM's. Especially if NATO realtime intel is provided. When they deploy F-16 over Black sea tho i expect NATO assets would withdraw, or they might become victim of stray BVR missile from Russian side.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:This can only mean one thing
AWACS is the most important aircraft necessary right now
The entire country will become aware of this, that A50U with S400 has downed ATACMS and 24 Ukrainian aircraft in 5 days
This means that there is only one reason that drones, stormshadow, and other missiles ever hit their targets, and that's the lack of AWACS
I repeat, this is the most important aircraft needed today
Having them airborne 24/7 is impossible. Ukraine can just listen with its EW systems if any Awacs is airborne, if there is none launch the missiles.
Your analysis is wrong.
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Head of the NATO Military Committee, Admiral Rob Bauer:
The price of one 155 mm artillery shell increased to 8,000 euros from 2,000 euros before the SVO in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1717185076411183158
Our tax dollars at work
The price of one 155 mm artillery shell increased to 8,000 euros from 2,000 euros before the SVO in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1717185076411183158
Our tax dollars at work
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
Stealthflanker Wed Oct 25, 2023 6:06 pm
franco wrote:Head of the NATO Military Committee, Admiral Rob Bauer:
The price of one 155 mm artillery shell increased to 8,000 euros from 2,000 euros before the SVO in Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1717185076411183158
Our tax dollars at work
Sounds like they're running out and have to make a totally brand new shells.
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Arkanghelsk wrote:This can only mean one thing
AWACS is the most important aircraft necessary right now
The entire country will become aware of this, that A50U with S400 has downed ATACMS and 24 Ukrainian aircraft in 5 days
This means that there is only one reason that drones, stormshadow, and other missiles ever hit their targets, and that's the lack of AWACS
I repeat, this is the most important aircraft needed today
AWACS have been the most important aircraft for decades. If you can't control and coordinate your planes and monitor your foe you have lost before the battle began
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Who could have seen this coming
US Ambassador to Kazakhstan Roseblum opened the NATO Peacekeeping Operations Center in Kazakhstan.
The Center will conduct training for the military of the Republic of Kazakhstan according to NATO standards
US Ambassador to Kazakhstan Roseblum opened the NATO Peacekeeping Operations Center in Kazakhstan.
The Center will conduct training for the military of the Republic of Kazakhstan according to NATO standards
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Arkanghelsk wrote:This can only mean one thing
AWACS is the most important aircraft necessary right now
The entire country will become aware of this, that A50U with S400 has downed ATACMS and 24 Ukrainian aircraft in 5 days
This means that there is only one reason that drones, stormshadow, and other missiles ever hit their targets, and that's the lack of AWACS
I repeat, this is the most important aircraft needed today
So in order to disable a whole US carrier air wing , you just have to hit the AWACs plane.
You could make a small long distance drone and drop something on the awacs plane
If an awacs plane is that important , it's a problem in itself
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
Odin of Ossetia Wed Oct 25, 2023 7:45 pm
Arkanghelsk wrote:Regular wrote:
Keep an eye on the south as well.
NATO ISR is the problem as I mentioned, not much can be done realistically speaking, best to learn how to work under it and this is not new. Ukrainians idiocity was best Russian ISR in their counter offense.
And after Donbass, in my opinion Russia can put this into slow burner and let war production do its work. Anyway, in my opinion, Ukrainians will have an option to suicide against Russia or negotiate, because after this counter offence, they can’t expect much. Their whole shtick is now hoping on F-16…
In the south, advancing by Optyne is a diversionary advance, which only forces Ukrainians to have to man those sections of the front
The main push, where storm Z and Wagner will enter, is south west of the terrikon
They need Stepove, that's why they lost so many tanks to take it
Once they get in, they can cutoff MSR by fire
It will be a tough battle, which will cost thousands of lives to take it
But this is the cost of such an inept leadership, with such an approach to the war
They're literally sandbox testing urban assault, from Mariupol, Bakhmut, Lisichansk, Severodonetsk, Soledar to Avdeyevka
This is how fucked up it is, the men who were in Bakhmut, suffered tremendously from the scale of battle
And what will it be here? Any different?
No, instead of protecting ours, and leveling the nazis like Israelis are doing
Ours will storm a fortefied coke plant, with nothing but a pat on the back, and congratulatory postings
Because you have an ethnic Ukrainian president who does not want to hurt his fellow ethnic Ukrainians too much.
All it does is being soft on a bunch of genocidal butchers.
http://michalw.narod.ru/index-Truth.html
https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/over-100000-slaughtered-with-axes-pitchforks-scythes-and-knives-the-wolyn-massacre-started-76-years-ago-today-and-lasted-for-two-years-6714
The best way would be to use the vacuum bombs; it has been claimed that they were already used in Chechnya during the 1990's, so I have no idea why they are not being used.
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Arrow wrote:
https://t.me/jnb_news/37050
Something new S 350?
No, it's A-50U+ C-400. And targeting using a distributed system, when the target is illuminated by one interceptor, and another launches a missile.
But I would not believe in the figure of 24 downed aircraft. Most likely, at least half of their targets were probably fake imitators. It is unlikely that the UAF now have so much active aviation to lose 24 aircraft in 5 days)
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Don't bet on that.
It was all or nothing action.
Facade of support for 404 is falling down as we speak.
They are hungry for "likes".
I guess we see an end of all flyable 29s all over Europe, refurbished for months in Poland and Bulgaria. Wouldn't be much surprised if some of those are from, lets say, khm khm, Armenia.
Plus we have a clear show from Russkie how they will deal with 16s once delivered ... with the new stuffing or the usual pork chop stuffing ...
It was all or nothing action.
Facade of support for 404 is falling down as we speak.
They are hungry for "likes".
I guess we see an end of all flyable 29s all over Europe, refurbished for months in Poland and Bulgaria. Wouldn't be much surprised if some of those are from, lets say, khm khm, Armenia.
Plus we have a clear show from Russkie how they will deal with 16s once delivered ... with the new stuffing or the usual pork chop stuffing ...
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Could come from Slovakia also. The new leader is anti ukrainian. The former government could have just sent what they had in stock before he totally stops weapon flow.
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They did that. Fico was talking about it openly.
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ALAMO wrote:They did that. Fico was talking about it openly.
It's not like it changes anything.
Those mig would be better unmanned and carrying 4 fab-500 for a suicide drone role. Launching randomly ARMs missiles proved to be a useless thing. With a one way ticket they could hit something important at least.
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
Karl Haushofer Wed Oct 25, 2023 9:23 pm
Seeds of a new war may have been planted...Backman wrote:Who could have seen this coming
US Ambassador to Kazakhstan Roseblum opened the NATO Peacekeeping Operations Center in Kazakhstan.
The Center will conduct training for the military of the Republic of Kazakhstan according to NATO standards