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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:14 pm

    An interesting aspect of the Gaza resupply by US/NATO is that it is quite likely to be very different from Ukraine.

    Whilst there are reports of 10,000 level 155mm shells being diverted from Ukraine to Israel it seems to me, based on the munitions being used, that it will be bombs not shells that will be going into Israel. Conveniently being delivered direct by mainly C-17 to the air bases that host the fighter bombers using them.

    The strategic effect of this is quite interesting in that whereas the war in Ukraine has stripped NATO of much/most of its artillery ammunition, the war in Gaza is now stripping it of aircraft delivered weapons. At this rate the only US/NATO forces that will be able to fight a peer will be the navies, especially the US carriers. Then only for a while.

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    Post  Hole Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:22 pm

    direct by mainly C-17 to the air bases that host the fighter bombers using them.
    The dumbest way of delivering bombs.
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:26 pm

    Hole wrote:
    direct by mainly C-17 to the air bases that host the fighter bombers using them.
    The dumbest way of delivering bombs.

    But seemingly perfect in Israel as there doesn't appear to have been much if any Hamas attacks on the IAF. Very strange that but a bit OT here.

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    Post  par far Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:46 pm

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    Door kicker material right here, RuMoD. Fucker turns every stone he sees. He won't miss a thing Razz
    https://x.com/tvjihad/status/1718720699882180834?s=46

    Idiots, didn’t find jews. Only their own Dagestanis traveling with kids from Israel where they got medical care (pediatric cancer treatment)

    What a shitshow. Couldn’t be more of shame for them. Ukrainians caused it with TG, but idiots chimped out. Hope many of them go to jail. Police will beat their ass thats for sure


    An unrelated question, is this treatment not available in Russia?



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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:00 am

    Social media is effective for gathering retard mobs. You see this with all the woke degenerates and their circle jerk echo-chambers. Zelensky started
    spewing BS about systemic pogroms in Russia against Jews over this single incident. It was clearly organized by Ukria and its NATzO owners. That
    Ponamaryov's channel was key demonstrates this. The NATzO fake stream media is trying to turn this into something special.

    The problem is that air port security didn't do their f*cking job. The size of the mob made it manageable. Smells of infiltration.
    Russia should beware terrorism relating to air travel.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:04 am


    Have you not seen the scale of it and problems they caused?

    And I think you are over reacting in the way the people who staged this and made it happen wanted.

    Some idiots got tricked into doing stupid things... WTF do you think coloured revolutions are?

    It didn't work the way they wanted and their part in the events is exposed for what it is.

    The people who responded are like the panic squad here... useful fucking idiots who are helping Kiev and Biden, but of course they will claim they panic for all the right reasons...

    The authorities are taking this seriously and of course that is their job, but spectators on the interweb like us should just see it for what it is... some nazis trying to make normal people look like nazis to get nazis (israel) angry with those fighting nazis (Russia) to benefit the nazis that Russia is fighting (Kiev).

    Hopefully someone sits these morons down and explains to them how they have been played... it is a shame someone didn't do the same for Trump, because all the democrats had to say was Putins Puppet and he would react with pointless stupid sanctions that ruined his agenda of working with the Russians for the benefit of Americans. He was manipulated and still does not seem to show any realisation of that fact, which is why I really don't support the guy... he is just an anti Russian American tool... and anti Russian Americans probably don't see that as an insult because they don't understand that when America thinks it can be great by pushing everyone else down then they are destroying the whole idea of America. Truth and Justice... that is all... that was the American way.

    But say communism and they do as they are told like Pavlovs dogs.

    The dumbest way of delivering bombs.

    Expensive. Most of the time such ordinance is shipped because you can get thousands of tons of bombs on a ship, compared with dozens of tons on a plane.

    But seemingly perfect in Israel as there doesn't appear to have been much if any Hamas attacks on the IAF. Very strange that but a bit OT here.

    Their rockets seem to get through, which means attacks on the airfields the bombs leveling Gaza are arriving at would be a potential priority target moving forward...

    An unrelated question, is this treatment not available in Russia?

    It is all about reputation... some doctors in Mexico and Israel claim to know more about cancer treatment than anyone else so people desperate for a solution will spend money and go there.... whether it actually works or not is another question... and with the Israeli clinics treating people from Dagestan and Chechnia, I would be suspicious if it wasn't just a racket to collect ethnic data that might be used later on for some experiments of desperation for the pure bloods in Israel.

    You have to ask yourself why they would treat people they clearly don't approve of (if the comments about soccer matches are to be believed... and I have no reason not to believe them).


    It is funny because when this new conflict started in Israel the people western media interviewed suggested israeli protests and gatherings would be peaceful and all about peace and love and any pro palestinian protests and gatherings will be all about violence and destruction and hate. Their exact words were that when the pro Israel people gathered the large police presence protected them from the population in general, while when their opponents gathered the police presence was to try to control unruly and dangerous protesters....

    They keep talking about civilised and uncivilised and terrorists and those just defending themselves, but there are clear lines where all Israelis are the good guys and can do no wrong and the other guys are baby killing war crime terrorists... ignoring the state of Israel was created by terrorists too.

    Enough Off Topic

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    Post  thegopnik Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:47 am

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    Post  Regular Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:32 am

    par far wrote:


    An unrelated question, is this treatment not available in Russia?



    God forbid if I would know the answer, but I guess it is not available, otherwise, they wouldn’t travel.
    Not all countries have specialists, hospitals, and clinics that deal with rare conditions. Or offer same treatments. Moscow is super expensive and Israel due to shekel going down, is not, so maybe that comes in play.

    I will give you some examples…

    For spines - it’s Spain (and only because there are 2 world leading neurosurgeons there) 
    For CSF leaks - Germany (1 good hospital)
    Thoracic outlet - Netherlands (1 TOS center in the whole of Europe)

    And etc. There is no country in the world that has it all and if you have a rare condition, you will need to travel to get help. Jews themselves don’t have it perfect as they travel to Europe to get medical help as well. I am not even talking about US and Canada (both opposite, but equally broken medical systems)

    And yet we see some lunatic gopniks interfering. And they attacked an Uzbek cardiologist too thinking he was jew! You can't make this up.

    Hence why I don’t like this new cold war. 
    Russia was leading at neuroregentive medicines (peptides like Semax and etc)
    Cutting edge and could have put some crappy pharma products out of business, but here we are where cooperation with west stopped. (Working with Russia is stigmatized)
    Now I don’t want to sound like a hippy, but we are fked as a species if we eventually can’t find a way to work together.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:47 am

    Agree with most of what you said, but would add that it is also influenced by rules and laws... some countries have some very strange laws regarding things like stem cell research and other grey areas that are controversial so for instance the famous Mayo clinic in the US might be Jewish, but there might be treatments they can't perform because of US law and procedures they can't do in the US because the risk is that they would be sued if the patient dies.

    The thing is that when you are talking about cancer you are desperate... the 90% risk the treatment might kill you is an acceptable risk when it is 100% certain that if you do nothing the cancer will kill you anyway, but in the US they wont try that treatment because if the customer dies their family might claim it was the treatment that killed them.

    This was made worse in the past where radiation treatments essentially consisted of attempts to kill the cancer cells with radiation, which of course kills all cells so it is like trying to kill the parasite by poisoning the parasite and the host, hoping the host survives.

    It was also the reason the US has bio weapons labs all round the world... in the Ukraine and Georgia they can do things they would get arrested for or sued for in the US of A. Of course if they were doing what they were claiming they were doing they would have been vastly better prepared for Covid, which they seem to have made in their Bio weapons lab in China and tried to pin it on the Chinese... I guess if it had started in Ukraine they would have covered that up and when it spread to Russia and Poland then we know which country they would blame...

    Just more reasons why Russia is better off without the west.

    As the rest of the world develops there are going to be more Chinese and Indian experts in these fields that are as good or better than western experts...

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:42 am

    GarryB wrote:
    And I think you are over reacting in the way the people who staged this and made it happen wanted.


    The reaction of local bodies seems to confirm that the thing was much more than it seems. It only hasn't succeeded.
    An interesting fact is, that the same TG shitstream spread info about the lack of any police on the scene, while the passengers publicized films showing a de facto harsh and unconditional reaction of the power structures.
    Later on, it turned out that even some regular army was used to block the airport, with multiple heavy equipped Rosgvardia units assisting.
    It looked more than an action to suppress the coup rather than dealing with a mob if you ask me, and I wouldn't been surprised if that was one. Only failed.

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    Post  ucmvulcan Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:51 am

    Regular wrote:
    par far wrote:


    An unrelated question, is this treatment not available in Russia?



    God forbid if I would know the answer, but I guess it is not available, otherwise, they wouldn’t travel.
    Not all countries have specialists, hospitals, and clinics that deal with rare conditions. Or offer same treatments. Moscow is super expensive and Israel due to shekel going down, is not, so maybe that comes in play.

    I will give you some examples…

    For spines - it’s Spain (and only because there are 2 world leading neurosurgeons there) 
    For CSF leaks - Germany (1 good hospital)
    Thoracic outlet - Netherlands (1 TOS center in the whole of Europe)

    And etc. There is no country in the world that has it all and if you have a rare condition, you will need to travel to get help. Jews themselves don’t have it perfect as they travel to Europe to get medical help as well. I am not even talking about US and Canada (both opposite, but equally broken medical systems)

    And yet we see some lunatic gopniks interfering. And they attacked an Uzbek cardiologist too thinking he was jew! You can't make this up.

    Hence why I don’t like this new cold war. 
    Russia was leading at neuroregentive medicines (peptides like Semax and etc)
    Cutting edge and could have put some crappy pharma products out of business, but here we are where cooperation with west stopped. (Working with Russia is stigmatized)
    Now I don’t want to sound like a hippy, but we are fked as a species if we eventually can’t find a way to work together.

    Or it could be like United States medical tourism where Russia has the ability to provide specialized medical care, but perhaps care that may be more expensive than elsewhere or not as available (or is Russia like the rest of the civilized world in actually not having for profit healthcare, I honestly don't know what the healthcare system is like in Russia only conjecturing based on my experience with the gawdawful American model). Yeah in the US, people go to Canada for perscription drugs, Mexico for plastic surgeries (quality and safety of those may vary), and the more affluent do fly to EU or Asian nation for more "experimental surgeries" that would cripple one's pocketbook here, but may save one's life. So yeah, it could be something like that.

    As for the efforts to stir up a pogrom, well yeah its a bad look, but then really what exactly does Ukraine get? Frankly if I was Zelensy I'd very much prefer the west forcus on the Israel situation at the current moment considering how useless and wasteful and how utterly offensive the "counteroffensive" was to anyone with at least half a brain.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Oct 31, 2023 7:04 am

    Israel has tons of Russian doctors, to begin with. So there is no language barrier there. It might be a hint.
    Medical tourism is something that exists all over the world.
    Tons of women set their pregnancy in a way to give birth in Germany, as they have the most women friendly procedures.
    My friends living in the UK travelling back to Poland to get their dentist procedures.
    Medical care is shitty in the UK, by the way.
    A friend of mine had his vasectomy made in Germany too, as to have it locally you must pass quite a humiliating procedure. In the German clinic, it took 30 min, undressing included. I only had to take him back home, as he was dizzy by the pain killers and couldn't drive.
    Cosmetic surgery is a whole new world, I know a chic that travels to Turkey four times a year for some treatment - don't ask me what kind of, I don't know her so well if you know what I mean Laughing
    Tons of guys travel there for hair transplants, Turkey is well known for this specialization.
    Brazil is a world's hub for cosmetic surgery.
    The same applies to South Africa.

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    Post  Arrow Tue Oct 31, 2023 12:36 pm

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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 31, 2023 1:01 pm

    They hit its fuel tank somehow and with something. This does not seem like a common event.

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    Post  franco Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:02 pm

    Ukrainian release new update on their take of Russian forces in the SVO. From the comments they are not coping well... Twisted Evil

    Updated info on 🇷🇺 russian forces on the territory of Ukraine: (Oct 29th)

    Personnel - 442K (+22K)
    Tanks - 2324 (+64)
    Armored vehicles - 5661 (+401)
    Artillery systems - 3148 (+98)
    MRLS - 982 (+62)

    While everyone keeps talking about "attrition"...
    Knock-knock. Wake up!

    Follow his link back to September 11th numbers and then April 24th. russia

    https://twitter.com/SmartUACat/status/1719311900800877004

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    Post  Arrow Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:06 pm

    Personnel - 442K (+22K) wrote:

    So more than half of the Russian armed forces are in Ukraine.
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    Post  franco Tue Oct 31, 2023 2:15 pm

    Arrow wrote:

    So more than half of the Russian armed forces are in Ukraine.

    No, authorized Regular Forces are 1,150,000 plus Mobilized Reservist plus Volunteers plus new Contract regulars. Maybe a third at the most.

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    Post  kvs Tue Oct 31, 2023 5:28 pm

    Mobilized plus volunteers amounts to more than 600,000. Russia is not diluting its national defense for this operation.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Oct 31, 2023 6:32 pm

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    Unconfirmed reports claiming that Ru forces of the 114th brigade, same guys who captured the waste heap, are currently attempting to storm the Avdeevka coke plant.

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    Post  franco Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:07 pm

    JohninMK wrote:ayden
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    Unconfirmed reports claiming that Ru forces of the 114th brigade, same guys who captured the waste heap, are currently attempting to storm the Avdeevka coke plant.

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    Reports have the 109th Motor Rifle Regiment (Mobilized), 277th Rifle battalion (Assault -Mobilized) and 2-3 of the Z-Storm companies (Assault- Volunteers- ex Wagner prisoner units) attached to the 114th here. Just to give an example of how the various Russian Forces (Regular - Mobilized - Volunteers) work together.

    The 21st Guards and 15th Guards Motor Rifle Brigades of the 2nd Guards Combined Arms Army are rumored to have been or being transferred to support the 114th after being relieved by the new 25th Combined Arms Army units up in the Krasnyi Liman Direction.

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    Post  Airbornewolf Tue Oct 31, 2023 8:25 pm

    Destruction of an leopard 2 tank in the kupyansk region


    two Ukrainian T-64BV targeted by RF ATGMS in the Kupyansk region


    RF BMPT Terminator in the Avdiivka region

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    Post  Hole Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:10 pm

    Avdeevka coke plant.
    Zelensky will defend the plant to the last man! lol1

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    Post  franco Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:44 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Avdeevka coke plant.
    Zelensky will defend the plant to the last man! lol1

    The Russian Command are counting on it... attack

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:56 pm

    A DNR T-72 killed a Leopard 2A6 (Swedish-donated "strv 122"?) at 2km.

    Tank-on-tank engagements are still rare, far and few between, but dude. When they do occur...

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    Post  Godric Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:11 pm

    Hole wrote:
    Avdeevka coke plant.
    Zelensky will defend the plant to the last man! lol1

    Hunter Biden will want to defend it also, he is fond of the coke

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