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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:15 pm

    Hole wrote:
    but not the aircrafts carrying them.
    Sure. Only 30+ aircraft were shot down in the last 10 - 14 days.

    Simon Shoigu says : 37



    https://ria.ru/20231102/otvet-1906946872.html
    The day before, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that over the past month, Russian air defense destroyed over 1.4 thousand enemy air attack weapons, including 37 aircraft and six ATACMS missiles.

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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:25 pm

    I wouldn't trust ukro twitter sources... proved multiple times to use ukro losses as russian ones.

    For old aircraft, if my last post is true then su-27P intercepted successfully storm shadows and neptunes missiles. They are still good when used in an integrated way. It's a shame they didn't upgrade some 100 su-27 with  N001VEP or N001Vep+Pero radars, modern datalinks and gave them another 20 years of life. They would be a very precious boost for their air force and a cheap solution instead of risking su-35.

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    Post  lancelot Thu Nov 02, 2023 8:44 pm

    The thing is the older Su-27s had way worse engine lifetime. The modern Su-35 engines last like twice as long. At one point you replace so many components you might as well buy a whole new aircraft.

    The Su-35 has an RCS of 2 sq meters and the Su-27 has an RCS of like 8 sq meters. So changing the airframe is also significant. The Su-35 has way more composites in its airframe. Plus it can store more fuel and has way more range than the Su-27.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:09 pm

    🇺🇦 First F-16's already in Ukraine - @Rybar


    Mikhail Zvinchuk, head of the Russian think tank Rybar reported that 2 F-16's were delivered to Ukraine today, making it a total of 5.

    Part of the Rybar Live daily report on Soloviev.

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/89960

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Nov 02, 2023 9:28 pm

    Zelenskys ex-advisor Arestovych now openly calls for negotiations with Russia. Wow. Things really must be going great on the battlefield for UA.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:22 pm

    https://t.me/Slavyangrad/71887
    Slavyangrad, [11/2/23 8:29 AM]
    Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (2 November 2023)

    Part I (see Part II (https://t.me/mod_russia_en/10621))

    ▫In Kupyansk direction, units of the Zapad Group of Forces supported by aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrower systems repelled two attacks of assault detachments of the AFU 57th Mechanised Brigade near Sinkovka (Kharkov region).

    ▫The enemy lost up to 20 servicemen and three motor vehicles.

    ▫In the course of counterbattery warfare, one Uragan and one Grad MLRS, two Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery systems, one UK-made AS-90 and one Gvozdika self-propelled artillery systems, as well as two D-30 howitzers were neutralised.

    ▫In Krasny Liman direction, well-coordinated actions of the Tsentr Group of Forces, helicopters, and artillery repelled two attacks of assault detachments of the AFU 24th and 63rd mechanised brigades near Chervonaya Dibrova (Lugansk People's Republic).

    ▫Up to 40 servicemen, six infantry fighting vehicles, and three motor vehicles have been neutralised.

    ▫In Donetsk direction, units of the Yug Group of Forces supported by aviation and artillery repelled an attack of assault detachments of the AFU 5th Assault Brigade near Kleshcheyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ▫In addition, strikes were delivered at manpower and hardware of the AFU 54th, 93rd mechanised brigades, and 10th Mountain Assault Brigade close to Razdolovka, Zvanovka, and Andreyevka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ▫ Up to 115 servicemen, one tank, nine infantry fighting vehicles, including eight U.S.-made Bradley infantry fighting vehicles, and four motor vehicles have been neutralised.

    ▫In the course of counterbattery warfare, two Polish-made Krab self-propelled artillery systems, one U.S.-made M777 artillery system, as well as one D-20 howitzer were neutralised.

    ▫In addition, one AFU unmanned aerial vehicle command post near Peznikovka (Donetsk People's Republic) and one ammunition depot of the 54th Mechanised Brigade close to Verhnekamenskoye (Donetsk People's Republic) were destroyed.

    ▫In South Donetsk direction, units of the Vostok Group of Forces, helicopters, and artillery inflicted losses on manpower and hardware of the AFU 72nd Mechanised Brigade, 105th and 128th territorial defence brigades near Staromayorskoye, Novomikhailovka (Donetsk People's Republic), and Priyutnoye (Zaporozhye region).

    ▫The enemy lost up to 165 servicemen killed and wounded, seven tanks, two armoured fighting vehicles, and five motor vehicles.

    ▫ In the course of counterbattery warfare, one Grad MLRS, two German-made FH70 howitzers, two Gvozdika self-propelled artillery systems were destroyed.

    Russian Defence Ministry

    Russian Defence Ministry report on the progress of the special military operation (2 November 2023)

    Part II (see Part I (https://t.me/mod_russia_en/10620))

    ▫In Zaporozhye direction units of the Russian Group of Forces supported by aviation, artillery, and heavy flamethrower systems inflicted losses on manpower of the AFU 33rd and 65th mechanised brigades close to Rabotino (Zaporozhye region).

    ▫The enemy lost up to 100 servicemen, four armoured fighting vehicles, two motor vehicles, and two U.S.-made M119 howitzers in this direction.

    ◽In Kherson direction, up to 30 servicemen and five motor vehicles have been neutralised by fire.

    ▫Operational-Tactical and Army aviation, unmanned aerial vehicles, and Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Groups of Forces have engaged AFU manpower and hardware in 132 areas during the day.

    ▫In addition, one Su-27 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force was destroyed at the Mirgorod airfield in Poltava region.

    ▫One Bukovel electronic warfare station was neutralised close to Yantarnoye (Kherson region).

    ▫One command post of the AFU 67th Mechanised Brigade was wiped out close to Serebryanka (Donetsk People's Republic).

    ▫Air defence units intercepted four Storm Shadow cruise missiles, three Neptune anti-ship missiles, and eight HIMARS projectiles.

    ▫Moreover, 31 unmanned aerial vehicles were shot down near Zolotaryovka (Lugansk People's Republic), Mariynka, Spornoye, Staromlynovka (Donetsk People's Republic), Ocheretovatoye and Kharkovo (Zaporozhye region).

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    Post  Hole Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:23 pm

    think tank Rybar
    lol1

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:23 pm

    Dr.Snufflebug wrote:Zelenskys ex-advisor Arestovych now openly calls for negotiations with Russia. Wow. Things really must be going great on the battlefield for UA.

    Nyet means Nyet.

    No stopping until the criminal Kiev fascist regime is eradicated. attack

    Go Russia. Grind these dirty fcking b'stardz into dogfood. russia

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    Post  Mig-31BM2 Super Irbis-E Thu Nov 02, 2023 11:29 pm

    @rybar_force
    Battle for Avdeevka: active advance of the Russian Armed Forces from the south and north

    On the northern flank, the Russian Armed Forces conducted several successful attacks along the railroad northwest of Krasnogorovka, as a result of which the Russian troops gained a foothold near the railroad tracks.

    On the southern flank, the Russian troops achieved the greatest successes over the past 24 hours in the direction of Severnoye, where, as a result of a successful assault along the front, they managed to significantly advance both to the Khimik microdistrict and to Severnoye (with 1 km left to the village).

    Read more in our big analysis at http://rybar.ru (https://rybar.ru/bitva-za-avdeevku-aktivnoe-prodvizhenie-vs-rf-s-yuga-i-severa/
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:44 am

    I need help identifying this convoy, seen back 9 years ago.

    Does it look like it could be a Russian Army convoy deep in Ukraine to you? For example, is is some kind of Motor Rifle formation or a random collection of vehicles?

    I can't remember this and I was watching it happen at the time and no real evidence, like potentially this, was ever corroborated.

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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 03, 2023 12:58 am

    Looks like georgian war... there is no sign of upgraded tanks and bmp in that first part of the video.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 03, 2023 8:42 am

    Hole wrote:[
    Sure. Sending 5 guys in a boat every 2nd day for the last 3 or 4 months is preparation. Rolling Eyes

    Never underestimate the power of propaganda and the scale of shit they can try to put into people's heads.
    Today I heard how the Ukro offensive was not so bad, as they have ... crossed the Dnepr in multiple places!
    Hurray!


    How to store your Wodka bottle in the right way so it doesn´t break on rough ground. lol1

    This is a discipline where they are world-class masters, need no further training Laughing

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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:03 am

    lancelot wrote:The thing is the older Su-27s had way worse engine lifetime. The modern Su-35 engines last like twice as long. At one point you replace so many components you might as well buy a whole new aircraft.

    The Su-35 has an RCS of 2 sq meters and the Su-27 has an RCS of like 8 sq meters. So changing the airframe is also significant. The Su-35 has way more composites in its airframe. Plus it can store more fuel and has way more range than the Su-27.

    It's about giving them secondary mission capabilities. You can save the engine lifetime by using them less than the other during peacetime or give them the old engines used on su-30.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:15 am

    It's about giving them secondary mission capabilities. You can save the engine lifetime by using them less than the other during peacetime or give them the old engines used on su-30. wrote:

    They still have over 50 modernized Su-27SM and SM3.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:16 am

    It's about giving them secondary mission capabilities. You can save the engine lifetime by using them less than the other during peacetime or give them the old engines used on su-30.

    I agree...  for some roles you need a Su-35 or perhaps even an Su-57, but for many roles like chasing down low flying missiles like Storm Shadow or Neptune then even a basic Su-27 or MiG-29 could do that job easily enough.

    Obviously upgrading them to improve performance and reduce operational costs makes sense, but not every job needs a super fighter, which frees up your super fighters for jobs they are better at doing.

    MIG-29s can perform most of the roles the Flankers perform, but over shorter ranges and at rather less cost... that was their purpose... and that is the reason for the MiG-35 and the Checkmate and equivalents... an affordable but capable modern fighter able to carry the latest missiles and the latest radar and IRST and equipment...

    Having MiG-35s flying around with AESA radars detecting air and ground targets that can be transmitted to HQ to record the positions of forces on the ground and in the air gives you more information about the enemy forces and their strengths in real time, which makes planning and defence as well as attack rather more effective and efficient.

    I would say the fact that the F-16s that Kiev might be using will have 6,000 hours flight time potential which is way more than Russian Flankers, but when they get shot down it wont matter in the slightest.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:20 am

    It was a navy MiG-29 that took down a Neptun this week.

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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:00 am

    ALAMO wrote:It was a navy MiG-29 that took down a Neptun this week.

    It has the normal Zhuk-M radar which is worse than N011VEP and far worse than N001VEP+Pero that can be mounted in a su-27.

    Mig-29 are good but their short legs are a big disadvantage for a country the size of Russia.

    Having upgraded su-27 with a N001VEP radar is a better solution than upgrading old mig-29.

    Another thing they should have is the awacs Il-114, specially in Crimea. Far cheaper to operate than a-50U.

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    Post  TMA1 Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:03 am

    Not bad. Those zhuk spotted planar arrays are still legit. With software updates and some changes even those old mechanically scanning radars can do the job. Thry might not have the search and tracking speed and EW resistance but they can still track enemy planes and missiles.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Nov 03, 2023 10:08 am

    Isos wrote:Looks like georgian war... there is no sign of upgraded tanks and bmp in that first part of the video.

    Thanks. My question was generated by one on MoA which has flushed out this from a Ukie poster in 2014 with today's comments being it was likely ex UA gear now in LDR hands.

    https://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/2014/09/russian-moves-huge-convoy-of-armor-into.html

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    Post  Arrow Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:08 am

    Coverage of the territory of Ukraine thanks to the A 50U and S-400 systems with 40N6 missiles and the ability to shoot beyond the horizon. Currently, it will be half 404 within the range of Russian SAMs

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    Post  d_taddei2 Fri Nov 03, 2023 11:30 am

    1) BulgarianMilitary.com recently divulged that a massive production program for Russian FPV drones is currently underway. Remarkably, a collective of 20 companies produces an astounding daily output of approximately 1,000 drones of this variety. Supplementary to this, several distinct preparatory and training facilities are in operation specifically for budding drone operators.

    2) FPV as a chemical seeker
    It seems that Russia is broadening the utilization scope of its First-Person View [FPV] drones, surpassing mere military purposes. As reported by TASS on October 31, the Center for Integrated Unmanned Solutions [CCBR] has engineered a distinctive reconnaissance FPV system, denoted as Khrust, tasked to detect chemical and radioactive air contamination via the use of unmanned aerial vehicles.

    3) As reported to TASS by the leader of an unmanned rapid response troop, one of the pioneering units employing such drones in operational situations in Ukraine, his outfit was accountable for the demolition and disabling of over 100 military apparatus and approximately a battalion’s worth of personnel within a single year.

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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 03, 2023 1:25 pm

    Does it look like it could be a Russian Army convoy deep in Ukraine to you?
    This could be filmed somewhere around Khabarovsk. Someone filmed a convoy somewhere and some other dude claims
    it was in "Ukraine". Rolling Eyes

    Mig-29 are good but their short legs are a big disadvantage for a country the size of Russia.
    It was meant as a frontline fighter. The short legs aren´t that important if your Air Force has thousands of them (as planned back in the 80´s).

    Currently, it will be half 404 within the range of Russian SAMs
    If need arises Russia can deploy that stuff in Belarus and close down nearly all of the airspace.

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    Post  Arrow Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:24 pm

    If need arises Russia can deploy that stuff in Belarus and close down nearly all of the airspace. LIKE1DISLIKE wrote:


    They should do this with a no fly zone over the entire 404
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    Post  Firebird Fri Nov 03, 2023 3:35 pm

    Arrow wrote:


    They should do this with a no fly zone over the entire 404

    Exactly. Why isn't Belarus brimming with troops and equipment? Or is it?
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    Post  Hole Fri Nov 03, 2023 4:07 pm

    They should do this with a no fly zone over the entire 404
    Currently nobody cares if some plane is flying around Lviv the whole day for some TikTok videos.
    It was the same in the rest of 404 until recently. If a plane tried to attack russian positions along
    the line of contact it was taken care of. After the Ukros started using tactical cruise missiles the
    situation changed a little and now any plane flying somewhat east or south of Kiev is shot down.

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