Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50
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GarryB wrote:There is a US comic called George Carlin or something who said the US is a democracy where you can get hundreds of different flavours of butter but only two choices of political party... you get the illusion of choice...
Watch this from 4 minutes 35 seconds... (well you can watch it all if you want... he is right).
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It is called the American dream because you have to be asleep to believe it... a dreamer or a sheep...
The clown debating Carlin is peddling some intellectually insulting drivel. The owners of America are the owner class who run the corporations and the economy.
They own both political parties. How can the average voter be part of the owner class? The only thing he owns is his worthless vote. The American pride crew
is schizophrenic. They extol the owner class and the oligarch "entrepreneurs" but then turn around and attribute power to the proles they despise.
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They have taken positions along the railway
There's a general advance from Kupyansk to Donetsk, with territory retake near Andreevka, Kupyansk, and Avdeevka
Overall it is modest, but positive
We will see if storm z can manage to take the coke plant in a head on assault, I think it's ballsy, but I am not a general
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I don’t give a **** what you think about Pootler/Putlet or political system, but military so far are giving results that brain dead retards like me can even see it.
We can talk about how this whole war can be fucked and I agree, it can be messed up POLITICALLY with Minsk 36 and I am more afraid of that than military defeat. I can’t predict who the **** is their heads.
But what even idiot like me can predict- is that all the dead will be revenged in kind, watch the road of death form again and love VKS more.
It’s a dirty disgusting war, not a football match where score is 0:0, no whistle and 90th minute. It’s horrific womans basketball.
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I'd argue that women's basketball is still worse than this war.It’s a dirty disgusting war, not a football match where score is 0:0, no whistle and 90th minute. It’s horrific womans basketball.
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The-thing-next-door wrote:
That is closer to what the turret might offer, in reality it probably offers no more than 380-400mm RHAE since it is designed around lighter NERA elements in order to be more effective against HEAT warheads. I have also never heard of the hull getting DU armour.
Every single US tanker I have spoken to is quite sure that they have "uranium armor" in both the hull front and the turret, however, it does not change a thing.
A common opinion is so fucked&spoiled with the western breed propaganda that people hardly get the point.
Western tanks are not Wunderwaffe, none of them. They all have obvious shortages, and both pros and cons.
M1 facing modern, well equipped and trained army will suffer the very same kill ratio as any other tank.
I remember 2003, and how the very first, blurry images of burned M1s appeared when they hit the Saddam's elite that was operating Konkurses. Not even Kornets.
The whole story was carefully covered with more propaganda, and we had to wait for 3 more years to watch how "mighty Merkava" was being decimated in the field, burning and banging.
I will remind you one case with burned down M1, that appeared.
The shitload made to cover up the thing was second only to none at that moment, ending up that it was a tank destroyed with a direct hit of a ... Maverick missle.
To those who don't get the story here, AGM-65 is a bloody 250+ kg missile, carrying a warhead of 60 up to 130 (!!) kg of explosives, in either cumulative or high explosive variants.
If hit with that, there would be just some chunks of metal left of this M1, otherwise it would prove the missile to be a piece of crap either.
They have lied from the very beginning, and will to till the very end.
No differences.
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Hit on ammo bustle might not kill the crew, but it will be out of action and very likely it will burn the tank. FPV drones are already doing that on Leopards. Now add Honeywell engine… After each hit, tank becomes stationary and gets eaten up. Crew can probably surive intial hit, but what now? Stuck in the middle of field, artillery, mines, FPV drones.
It’s easy for NAFO just say, eh crew surived, but it’s bit more complicated.
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The whole story was carefully covered with more propaganda, and we had to wait for 3 more years to watch how "mighty Merkava" was being decimated in the field, burning and banging.
I will remind you one case with burned down M1, that appeared.
And the propaganda was good too... I remember reading stories about "abandoned" Abrams tanks that the Americans say they hit with Hellfires and even Mavericks to prevent the enemy capturing them but the Hellfires weren't enough... hilarious looking back now of course...
Every single US tanker I have spoken to is quite sure that they have "uranium armor" in both the hull front and the turret, however, it does not change a thing.
Ironically having DU armour wont really help much because the vehicle has that enormous turret bustle that makes them horribly vulnerable to drones and artillery and when the vehicle burns that DU is going to become toxic and easy to ingest...
What is really funny is that there are factions in the west talking about talking peace and some sort of truce... but they don't understand that Russia is not interested in the status quo, because they had that in 2014 and look at the current situation... Russia can't trust Europe and they can't trust the US and they certainly wont trust Zelensky, so really pushing Ukrainian forces back and destroying their armed forces and having a real civil war on the Kiev side of things is really the only outcome that works for Russia... Medvedev has said Odessa and territory cutting Kiev from the Black Sea and having a land bridge to Moldova and of course the territory on the east side of the Danube gives Russia access to Serbia by river, which would be useful too...
There is a US candidate who says the US should offer much better relations with Russia to split China and Russia apart... but that is never going to happen.
Russia isn't just going to forget what the west has done... Russia has lost a lot of fine young men and they are not going to forget or ignore that any time soon... why should they?
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GarryB wrote:
And the propaganda was good too... I remember reading stories about "abandoned" Abrams tanks that the Americans say they hit with Hellfires and even Mavericks to prevent the enemy capturing them but the Hellfires weren't enough... hilarious looking back now of course...
Actually, the story they figured out put shame on one more weapon system they have.
Hellfire is capable of doing around 800 mm penetration, which is a shamefully low number.
It is a bloody 178 mm caliber, 50 kilos heavy missile. Soviets did better with 125 mm HEAT tank ammo weighting 1/8th of that.
This is how it backfires if you are trying to cover failures with propaganda rather than technical progress and upgrades.
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Ironically having DU armour wont really help much because the vehicle has that enormous turret bustle that makes them horribly vulnerable to drones and artillery and when the vehicle burns that DU is going to become toxic and easy to ingest...
Yes, but as I said, it is hardly relevant. They live in their own propaganda bubble, drinking colloid and cheering each other.
Challenger 2 still uses asbestos for its armor package, so technically speaking there is not much difference from the health issues perspective. They will get a cancer because of a different substance, that's all.
What is a funny part, is the fact that Soviets exchanged hazardous glass textolite material in their armor sandwitch with much more robust and effective steel bulging plates. Of a different arrangement, ie. thickness.
Why?
Because the main concept of the Soviet tank protection was combining both ERA and NERA armor, when ERA does the job against cumulative charges. That's why the main armor package was optimised for dealing with kinetic penetrators, and that is why the objective thickness of the armor is misleading. Even if Soviet tanks had indeed slightly smaller LOS for hull, it was all steel armor rather than non-steel panels that would never equal the steel in physical thickness. Mass equivalent - yes, perhaps. But not physical.
Regular wrote:For Abrams, the so called strenght is greatest weakness.
Hit on ammo bustle might not kill the crew, but it will be out of action and very likely it will burn the tank. FPV drones are already doing that on Leopards. Now add Honeywell engine… After each hit, tank becomes stationary and gets eaten up. Crew can probably surive intial hit, but what now? Stuck in the middle of field, artillery, mines, FPV drones.
It’s easy for NAFO just say, eh crew surived, but it’s bit more complicated.
That applies not only to M1, but L2 as well. It's turret top proved to be so weak, that deforms and cracks because of small caliber artillery fire.
If you hit one side of the turret bustle, it will ignite the hydraulic located there, with a burning hydraulic fluid setting fire to the engine compartment below. If you hit the other side, ammo storage will be blown out. Hydraulic subsystems has been replaced only for the really newest versions, like the Polish PL or A7, earlier German engineers considered placing the pump and fluid tank in a separated niche as good enough. Well, it was not, which was proven in Syria...
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https://sputnikglobe.com/20231027/senior-ukrainian-anti-maidan-lawmaker-oleg-tsarev-gravely-injured-1114523407.html
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Any other leadership than the Kremlin would have already gone after Ukrainian leadership.
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Who is behind every successful assault - Readovka's report about sappers paving the way for the Russian army.
To move forward even a few hundred meters, you need to know where you are going - not only reconnaissance helps our soldiers with this: behind every, even the most insignificant advance of the Russian army, there is the physically and morally hard work of sappers. Soldiers from the 1430th regiment work in the Zaporozhye direction, it is their skills that allow the assault units to confidently move forward in the areas of Rabotino, Pyatikhatki and Verbovoy without the threat of being blown up by an enemy mine.
The sappers' days off from working on the front end are spent eliminating unexploded ordnance. By and large, without sappers, the front would be paralyzed - every day, risking their lives, the guys clear mines from civilian infrastructure, clear territories for future positions of our army and go into the thick of it under the fire of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, so that Russian equipment has the opportunity to safely get closer to the needed ones boundaries.
The famous line of defense of Surovikin, which did not leave the slightest chance of realizing Kiev’s plans for the “capture of Tokmak” and the “assault of Melitopol,” is also the result of the work of the sappers of the 1430th regiment, who, despite the obvious fear of making a mistake, continue to move forward and believe in victory , writes the Readovka Telegram channel .
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Statement by the head of the press center of the Dnepr group.
In the Zaporozhye direction, units of the Russian group of troops, air strikes and artillery fire repelled an attack by the assault group of the 65th mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the area of the village of Rabotino, Zaporozhye region.
Enemy losses in this direction amounted to up to 85 military personnel, three tanks, including two Leopards, four armored combat vehicles and two cars.
Also hit during the counter-battery fight were the US-made M777 artillery system, the D-20 gun and the US-made M119 howitzer.
In the Kherson direction, as a result of complex fire defeat of the enemy, more than 25 Ukrainian military personnel, three vehicles and an Msta-B howitzer were destroyed.
In the area of the settlement of Orlovshchina, Dnepropetrovsk region, an ammunition depot of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was destroyed.
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In the area of the village of Verbovoye, reconnaissance units of the Airborne Forces, using aerial reconnaissance equipment, discovered the advance of a column of Ukrainian equipment - two tanks and an armored vehicle.
The paratroopers immediately transmitted information about the enemy to the positions of the special forces units, who, with an accurate launch of a guided missile from an anti-tank missile system, destroyed one of the tanks. The second tank and armored car quickly turned around and left the battlefield, writes the Colonelcassad Telegram channel .
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How the enemy is knocked out of the trenches at Priyutnoye: the 34th brigade bombards and then storms the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the junction of Zaporozhye and the DPR.
In the South Donetsk direction, reconnaissance and infantry of the Southern Military District, during the ongoing offensive operation in the Priyutnoye area, are using drones to bombard enemy trenches, often forcing survivors to flee.
With the active support of drones and artillery, ours have recently captured many large support units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, pushing the enemy away from an important populated area, writes the Telegram channel of the Russian Spring Military Correspondence .
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Zaporozhye law enforcement officers examined one of the households in the city of Tokmak, Zaporozhye region, as a result of which they discovered and seized a Makarov pistol with cartridges and a grenade.
Everything discovered belongs to an active serviceman of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Currently, weapons and ammunition have been confiscated and an investigation is underway, writes Telegram channel Vladimir Rogov .
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Zaporozhye direction. Verbovoe. Situation at noon, October 26 from the Telegram channel Front Bird .
Artillery from both sides works without respite. In the morning we watched as our Aerospace Forces launched several UVAB-500s at enemy positions.
The favorite place of drylanders when trying to attack is forest planting.
But mines and shells regularly fly there too. Any attempt to evacuate the enemy ends with damaged equipment and, accordingly, loss of personnel.
The enemy continues to fire frequently with cluster bombs, we are trying to respond promptly.
The situation in the evening of the same day.
The artillery is working hard.
The devils are pouring out cassette tapes. We answer in pauses.
During the day, enemy infantry attacked our positions. They fought back.
Towards evening, our assault groups were already smoking out the enemy.
The fight continues.
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Who is running VCHK-OGPU ?! it's spreading bullshit about destruction of 3 S-400 by ATACAMS in the Lugansk region !!
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Since October 1, 31 planes and three helicopters of the Ukrainian Air Force have been destroyed by fighter aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and air defense systems - Russian Ministry of Defense
Destroyed:
Twenty Mig-29 aircraft
Eight Su-25 attack aircraft
One Su-24 bomber
Two L-39 combat training aircraft
Three Mi-8 helicopters.
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ahmedfire wrote:
Who is running VCHK-OGPU ?! it's spreading bullshit about destruction of 3 S-400 by ATACAMS in the Lugansk region !!
Sure, that is why Putin had a heart attack and died that night, haven't you heard of it?
Meta world, baby!
If something does not exist, pretend!
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ALAMO wrote:ahmedfire wrote:
Who is running VCHK-OGPU ?! it's spreading bullshit about destruction of 3 S-400 by ATACAMS in the Lugansk region !!
Sure, that is why Putin had a heart attack and died that night, haven't you heard of it?
Meta world, baby!
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He did look a little pale during his meetings and tours the past couple of days ...wait doesn't he always look pale
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You can never be sure where is the bottom for UK press
You think that they are standing in the mud already, when a hatch in the bottom opens, and TADAAAAM! Daily Mirror!
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ahmedfire wrote:
Who is running VCHK-OGPU ?! it's spreading bullshit about destruction of 3 S-400 by ATACAMS in the Lugansk region !!
Ukrainians channel, just like russianocontext.
Do I need to add anything else?
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Along the Line of Contact, the Russian Armed Forces have increasingly targeted high-precision strikes on communication nodes and command posts of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Ukrainian nationalists point the finger at "Starlink" for all their woes.
Recent reports from the frontline indicate the destruction of their control points, communication nodes, and other assets crucial for joint military operations by the Russian military.
Ukrainian nationalists claim that the blame lies squarely with the generously provided "Starlink" by Elon Musk, as it is the primary medium through which they access the internet.
In a bid to reduce the frequency of shelling, they prefer to minimize the use of SpaceX equipment, as its deployment typically invites a swift retaliation from the Russian Armed Forces, shattering their command posts and control nodes within minutes.
Russian military authorities express gratitude to Elon Musk for such assistance, while the Ukrainians grapple with the dilemma of facing the Russians without adequate communication on the front lines, leaving them with no option but to contemplate surrender.
Well Elon never said it was a military system. Now we know why Russia has not jammed or shot down Starlink sats. It actually makes it easier for them when the AFU are using starlink.
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And no, Starlink is helping Ukrainians not just in front line. It can be detected even with visual systems, but that’s not the point.
Musk had no say in this as US military, his main contractor, demanded.
Main danger for Russians it posses are unmanned vehicle range extension- like Ukrainian Baba Yaga agro drones paired with star link and heavy mortars shell
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Regular wrote:Russia didn’t shoot down satellites because it could probably cause Kesslerisation.
And no, Starlink is helping Ukrainians not just in front line. It can be detected even with visual systems, but that’s not the point.
Musk had no say in this as US military, his main contractor, demanded.
Main danger for Russians it posses are unmanned vehicle range extension- like Ukrainian Baba Yaga agro drones paired with star link and heavy mortars shell
There are many wayss to shoot things down without shrapnel. One way would be to release put a satellite in the same orbit and release water vapor going a couple hundred kPH slower, this will cause drag and the sat will have to burn a ton of fuel each time you do this and eventually deorbit.
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https://www.rt.com/russia/585980-surovikin-replacement-general-afzalov/
this guy was the interim and it does seem to me, anecdotally, that the air campaign has improved markedly since Gen Surovikin was pushed aside.
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