Russian special military operation in Ukraine #50

GarryB wrote:

no, since Japan disputes that, then there is a dispute!

The US is in a bit of trouble then are they not?
If it just takes one country to object and the land is suddenly not yours any more but is now disputed territory, then Alaska and southern parts of the US that used to be Mexican, not to mention Hawaii could all be considered disputed territory. Canada and France and the UK might even have some claims that they were removed by force and they still have claims of ownership... hahahaha.

I was being objective & making a general observation- if 1 side says it's not a subject of negotiations, it doesn't make the dispute to disappear, since the other side will act accordingly on all other issues anyway. There r also latent disputes at grass roots level: Chinese maps show their toponims in the RFE & Mexicans talk of "reconquista" of the US SW.
https://youtu.be/VOmxCoI0h_Y

There is no dispute with Japan, Russia has no problem. With no serious trade between Russia and Japan there is nothing to lose or gain for Russia in this situation.

It is not the 1990s when Yeltsen would sign anything put in front of him... and Japan is not a country really... it is a G7... a US dependent country with no brain or independence.

Mericas bitches... like Germany and the UK... and the EU.

The dispute is a problem only in the heads of people in Japan, it is not a problem for Russia.

I just KNEW that Putin was divinely inspired....

The Kurils islands (all of them) are Russian.

They paid with blood for them.

Japan should be thinking instead how to get suvereignity over the Okinawa Military base.

If instead they continue making problems for Russia, maybe in the future Russian will become the state language in Hokkaido as well

When Armageddon unleashed the doomsday campaign

Keep in mind that the main aim of that campaign was not to destroy the enery system,
but to force the AD systems to reveal their positions.

the state language in Hokkaido as well

The original deal between the "Great Three" determined that Hokkaido should be occupied
by Russia (SU), just like East Germany. Then the Americans broke the deal. What a surprise.

Japanese historical revisionism goes together with pretending that they did not really lose WWII. They just surrendered for some reason to
the Americans. In their arrogant heads they do not admit that they lost to the USSR.

Losers in war don't get to dictate terms.

ALAMO wrote:

kvs wrote:Japanese historical revisionism goes together with pretending that they did not really lose WWII.   They just surrendered for some reason to
the Americans.   In their arrogant heads they do not admit that they lost to the USSR.

Losers in war don't get to dictate terms.  

Japan is a fascinating case study.
A country that is proud and thankful that they get two nukes ...

It is even more fascinating than that.
When they complain about the nukes they almost say that it was Russian fault that they got nuked...

It seems Zelensky is now saying that he is open to a negotiation

He says too many people have been lost, and that the next generation of Ukrainians could be fighting , which is unacceptable

The only thing here to add, is that Zelensky and Zaluzhny are now neck and neck in a race to give up captured territory and try to get NATO membership for the rest of Ukraine

This is a funny turn of events, no shortage of entertainment

Screw negotiations, time to use some cruise missiles

PapaDragon wrote:
Screw negotiations, time to use some cruise missiles

Time for cruise is on the day winter starts. 22nd of december.

That's why he is open to negotiations.

They tried to push Russia deplete its missile stocks by attacking key targets with storm shadows with some success hoping Russia will go crazy and use its cruise missiles in huge waves. This way they would have had time to repair for the winter and Russia will be left with no big stocks of missiles till the fall.

They totally failed. Russia is keeping its kalibr and kh-101 for January. Thry will even have their new kh-50 probavly and izdeliye 750 to test.

You know what? I'm gonna say this, and idc how it sits with the cheerleaders

What I have seen this week, is an outrage

I saw Xi, fly to San Francisco, to be humiliated for a dollar - before the plane takes off, they called him a dictator, but ofc he is shameless, he wants to negotiate his business interests with American CEOs and about the multipolar world, well it can wait

I saw Maduro, get on his knees for ExxonMobil, and walk away with the same "imperialists" he claims to hate, meanwhile our own jester clown Lavrov mutters that we will use domestic currencies for trade? What can we do with worthless Venezuelan money?

I saw Indians return a totally destroyed submarine with a straight face, happily buying discounted oil, and giving us Rupees (as worthless as venezuela) , and then have the nerve to speak badly about our MIC, so they can buy more western weapons

I see Armenia badmouthing Russia, about how they don't need us, and need NATO, and all this shit, about removing us from Erebuni

What is clear, is that only one country is working for a multipolar world, and receives 0 benefit for it, in fact it incurs losses for it - Russia

The rest of the BRICS countries are too busy sucking US off

And we? We get NOTHING, except a giant war, and our so called allies are off making deals with the very one who is attacking us

So why are we doing joint patrols with the Chinese?

Why are we helping India at all?

Why are we even going to Venezuela for?

The entire approach of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs is outdated, and obsolete

Meanwhile some fucking jew cunts are committing a real genocide, and there is no ICC charge

But for us, the Africans themselves barred our president from attending a BRICS meeting because of the ICC

And we are there helping them against colonialism?

We should ignite the countries of all these clowns with wars

**** this multipolar shit , this election in Russia, we must make our voices heard to that shit for brains in the Kremlin

We do not need a multipolar world, we need a Russian world

Fight for Russia

Not for Africa, not for India, not for Venezuela, not for China, not for anyone else

We need to resolve issues at the expense of others, same as they do to us

Half of Russians Want Putin to End War in Ukraine, Poll Shows

Survey found 48% back peace talks, highest since war began

Russian Field poll showed 39% want to continue invasion

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It is a biased poll, but nonetheless, these are the dangers

Make of it what you will

A country that is proud and thankful that they get two nukes ...

If they don´t change they will receive a few more next time.

I actually agree with Arkh regarding the multipolar world thing. Recently read Algeria is looking to diversify away from Russian weapons for China.  Thing is, UAE, Iraq and Syria all tested various Chinese weapon systems and found them sub par in performance. Russian weapons are actually battle tested and verified works.

Russians are getting killed, so that China can profit.  China does nothing and is doing nothing.  Russia is far better off going alone and making its own world instead.  All these deals they have with China, they can keep till they finish in Ukraine and build themselves up. Afterwards, it's best to stick it to China and India and explain how Russia was being used and abused by these countries.

Edit: to clarify sticking it to China and India; I am speaking of increasing prices on oil and gas deals and demand better trade deals on Russian benefit.

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Screw negotiations, time to use some cruise missiles

Time for cruise is on the day winter starts. 22nd of december.

That's why he is open to negotiations.

They tried to push Russia deplete its missile stocks by attacking key targets with storm shadows with some success hoping Russia will go crazy and use its cruise missiles in huge waves. This way they would have had time to repair for the winter and Russia will be left with no big stocks of missiles till the fall.

They totally failed. Russia is keeping its kalibr and kh-101 for January. Thry will even have their new kh-50 probavly and izdeliye 750 to test.

Russia also bought a massive stocks of artillery rounds and missiles from north Korea, in addition to those that Russia produces.

And what exactly is your source for that? Only sources that claim that are western BTW. Everyone else just repeating that.

sepheronx wrote:...
Russians are getting killed, so that China can profit.  China does nothing and is doing nothing....

Russians getting killed has nothing to do with China or anyone else

It's Russian problem (one they are also responsible for themselves in big part due to delusional peacenik thinking and pussyfooting) and Russians are the ones who need to solve it

As far China they can fly patrols with them all day long no problem because nothing obliges Russians to get involved if Chinese try something with Taiwan, just sit on your ass and enjoy the show

That's true, I agree. So when it comes time for China to face what Russia faces now, hopefully China won't bitch and moan as to why Russia make deals with Chinese enemies and try to weasle China out of markets too.

Why wait? There is a restive turkic Muslim population in Central Asia, which just gobbled up Nagornoh Karabakh, and its gonna eat Armenia any day now too

Since ethnic cleansing is in vogue now, Russia doesn't have a responsibility to do anything, but it should at least annex Armenia, and Northern Kazakhstan, and let this Turanic entity unite the Uyghurs, Mongols, Azeris, Kazakhs, Turks into one entity, and go to Xinjiang

This new entity , is modern Turan, and it can provide an excellent buffer between Siberia and China, and add some diversity too

The cool thing is, while the Chinese are busy with Turan, we can then replace those pesky J11 and J16 sales to Pakistan with Su75 and Su57

That will get em going,

And why stop there? I hear Venezuela and Guyana have a territorial dispute over Essequibo and some kind of Referendum is being held,

That's too good of an opportunity to pass

And Africa? Shit the same thing the Portuguese, Spanish, English, French, Belgians, Dutch, Arabs did to them, mainly have those retarded tribes fight each other while they get looted dry of their resources

But they didn't refer any of these countries to the ICC, but our president is already referred there!

So we really don't have time to wait, all of these partners , have a lot to offer for us if we take advantage !

sepheronx wrote:Russia is far better off going alone and making its own world instead.

Unless you're for Russianization of the "rest of the world" you (both) are describing a multipolar world.

GarryB wrote:The dispute is a problem only in the heads of people in Japan, it is not a problem for Russia.

no, it's a big problem for Russia: if they had better relations, the econ. depressed RFE would get Japanese investments & more trade with/via Russia, to say the least. It also gives more reasons for Japan to side with the US & host their mil. on her islands. It's a small world!

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-black-sea-fleet-logistical-problems-sevastopol-novorossiysk-kalibr-1844028

Tsavo Lion wrote:
no, it's a big problem for Russia: if they had better relations, the econ. depressed RFE would get Japanese investments & more trade with/via Russia, to say the least. It also gives more reasons for Japan to side with the US & host their mil. on her islands. It's a small world!

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-black-sea-fleet-logistical-problems-sevastopol-novorossiysk-kalibr-1844028

Japan Cannot offer even a small percentage of Siberian 1 pipeline and Siberian 2 pipeline

The far east is developing much faster as Gazprom takes over the development of the gas fields and pipelines and will also need development of housing and other economic boons

In fact, the situation is such that Japan is irrelevant to anything happening in the far east, and central Asia

The main concerns are the growth of this Pan Turkic Muslim entity from Turkey to Afghanistan

And who will deal with the consequences, well China of course, as they are the ones with most to lose

But this is the next group of wars we speak of after Ukraine, Armenia , and Kazakhstan are all gradually annexed to protect from this giant turkish wave that is gonna sweep central Asia

So noone is worried about Kuril, the pacific fleet can do the same thing to Hokkaido which was done in Ukraine