Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

Hole wrote:
You confuse the Ropucha with the Polnochy class.

Oh, you are right. I have sticked to that somehow
Maybe it is post Xmas Kartoffelsalat issue

5. Suffer from dwarfism (<130cm for men)

Perfect for older tanks

2. Are partially deaf

Great artillery men

1. Are missing or blind in one eye

Can still launch ATGMs

9. Are missing both feet

Can´t run away from their trench

10. Have a pacemaker implanted
11. Have only one working kidney
12. Have only one working lung
13. Have suffered from "traumatic castration"
14. Have a brain abscess (!)

Can still fly an F-16 on a one-way mission

20. Have no bladder.

Can´t wet their pants after discovering an incoming glide bomb

Look at the size of this graveyard

Still some people here claim Russia is "pussyfooting".

Maybe it is post Xmas Kartoffelsalat issue

For those issues Jägermeister was invented. Or Underberg.

JohninMK wrote:Just a reminder of where many are likely to end up.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1739744916144631999

We shouted to them: "Come to your senses!" Ten years ago. We warned them that it would all end in war. They didn't listen to us.

*sigh*

JohninMK wrote:First the convoy of buses near Avdiivka a couple of days ago, now this. Elimination in bulk, very effective.

ictor vicktop55
@vicktop55
Telegram channel "Summaries and Analytics".  
Zelensky:

“The occupiers attacked the Kherson railway station, an evacuation train, the number of victims is being established”

According to our information, there were no civilian or evacuation trains at the railway station.  There was a train containing the enemy.

BOOM

I actually think sending people with severe disabilities has a massive negative impact on Ukrainian forces, not only are these groupings of people incapable for fighting effectively, but can actually put other Ukrainian soldiers at risk, and the effect on morale. When you find yourself sharing a trench with such people you will instantly realise that their is no hope if your country is relying on such people then you know that the war is about to be over. This I think is worthy of a war crime forcing such people to fight.

d_taddei2 wrote:I actually think sending people with severe disabilities has a massive negative impact on Ukrainian forces, not only are these groupings of people incapable for fighting effectively, but can actually put other Ukrainian soldiers at risk, and the effect on morale. When you find yourself sharing a trench with such people you will instantly realise that their is no hope if your country is relying on such people then you know that the war is about to be over. This I think is worthy of a war crime forcing such people to fight.

Lol the question is, what kind of morale exists in Ukrainian society?

It is known they will mobilize half a million to replace "sanitary losses"

How do Ukrainians feel about it? They were promised victory only a short time away- now half a million are called up

In reality Ben Hodges and other freaks from DC already demanded this, saying Ukraine should follow the 3rd Reich and mobilize everything and everyone

It's a test for them to see if Ukrainians are still willing to fight to the last - and we will see it for ourselves

For now neither Zelensky nor Zaluzhny want to be responsible, and both blame each other, while Tymoshenko is saying that the whole thing is unconstitutional

Arestovich continues to howl about reconciling with Russia

It's all a bad soap opera with the lack of a happy ending

Arestovich has already understood how everything will finish and wants to reserve his possibilities to get some sort of well paid position in one of the new russian oblasts in Malorossia.
Much better this option (for him) than ending up on a trial or in exile.

JohninMK wrote:This looks like an updated Nazi Germany strategy of eliminating all those who are drains on society.


Armchair Warlord
@ArmchairW
Back in July I wrote a thread analyzing Ukrainian personnel losses in the context of German casualties in WWII, in which I determined that due to extreme casualties they could not sustain the war effort much past Spring 2024.

Today their new mobilization law came out and it's insane.  Here's some highlights.  People are now fully eligible for service in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in "Disability Group III," comprising people who:

1. Are missing or blind in one eye
2. Are partially deaf
3. Have a tracheotomy
4. Have jaw defects that prevent normal chewing
5. Suffer from dwarfism (<130cm for men)
6. Have a missing or nonfunctional arm
7. Have an amputated leg up to the thigh
8. Are missing fingers
9. Are missing both feet
10. Have a pacemaker implanted
11. Have only one working kidney
12. Have only one working lung
13. Have suffered from "traumatic castration"
14. Have a brain abscess (!)
15. Have a substantial skull defect
16. Have Parkinson's (!)
17. Have extreme scoliosis
18. Have severe chest deformities
19. Have "severe adrenal insufficiency" (it's a war eh?)
20. Have no bladder.

It also apparently drops the official conscription age from 27 to 25, but I doubt that's been taken adhered to at any point in the war and particularly not in the last year.

These are not the measures of a healthy society fighting a low-casualty war.  This is Armageddon.

Typical Nazi doctrine... eliminate the handicapped and the weak

Arkanghelsk wrote:

Lol the question is, what kind of morale exists in Ukrainian society?

It is known they will mobilize half a million to replace "sanitary losses"

How do Ukrainians feel about it? They were promised victory only a short time away- now half a million are called up

In reality Ben Hodges and other freaks from DC already demanded this, saying Ukraine should follow the 3rd Reich and mobilize everything and everyone

It's a test for them to see if Ukrainians are still willing to fight to the last - and we will see it for ourselves

For now neither Zelensky nor Zaluzhny want to be responsible,  and both blame each other, while Tymoshenko is saying that the whole thing is unconstitutional

Arestovich continues to howl about reconciling with Russia

It's all a bad soap opera with the lack of a happy ending

Now that's a completely different aspect of morale frontline war morale and civilian morale I think as U pointed out is also very low. I am actually surprised we haven't seen a civil rebellion yet. The only reason we haven't seen it yet is majority have been sent to their deaths on the frontline and everyone else is petrified of neo Nazis getting hold of them.

But there will be a tipping point when mobilization forces will have had enough and refuse to fight and threaten a mutiny on commanders. And I think this will happen regionally. And Ukraine can't afford to send troops to fight it's own troops who refuse to fight. All Ukraine has left is to fall back and consolidate it's forces at better strategic line. This will most likely mean pretty far back. Once Donbass, Zaporozhye, Kharkov is taken, Kherson, Niko, Odessa will be ripe for the taking. Of course Kiev may try to strike a deal but at that point it will be too late Russia won't be interested in such deal until they reach Kiev.

JohninMK wrote:This looks like an updated Nazi Germany strategy of eliminating all those who are drains on society.


Armchair Warlord
@ArmchairW
Back in July I wrote a thread analyzing Ukrainian personnel losses in the context of German casualties in WWII, in which I determined that due to extreme casualties they could not sustain the war effort much past Spring 2024.

Today their new mobilization law came out and it's insane.  Here's some highlights.  People are now fully eligible for service in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in "Disability Group III," comprising people who:

......
7. Have an amputated leg up to the thigh
8. Are missing fingers
9. Are missing both feet...

So does a guy with AK on a mobility scooter count a technical?

JohninMK wrote:...
16. Have Parkinson's (!)...

Yeah, I remember back in the Army when me and other sappers would often say: "Boy howdy, wouldn't it be swell if we had a guy with Parkinson's here helping out?

Arkanghelsk wrote:....
In reality Ben Hodges and other freaks from DC already demanded this, saying Ukraine should follow the 3rd Reich and mobilize everything and everyone ....

Good, they should go for it

Arkanghelsk wrote:.... with the lack of a happy ending

You are supposed to pay extra for that!

Much better this option (for him) than ending up on a trial or in exile.

No chance. He will either flee to the west or rot in a cell.

eliminate the handicapped and the weak

This means that soon Zelensky, Budanov and Zalushny will arrive at the frontline.

the ship that was hit was carrying

The ship carried parts for the new Death Star. Which will be delayed by a few weeks.

to fall back and consolidate it's forces at better strategic line.

Best line would be between Warsaw and Bucharest.

d_taddei2 wrote:I actually think sending people with severe disabilities has a massive negative impact on Ukrainian forces, not only are these groupings of people incapable for fighting effectively, but can actually put other Ukrainian soldiers at risk, and the effect on morale. When you find yourself sharing a trench with such people you will instantly realise that their is no hope if your country is relying on such people then you know that the war is about to be over. This I think is worthy of a war crime forcing such people to fight.

not only that, even hardened soldier will try and save the retards, and in the process they will sustain more casualties.

back from holidays, did some catching up:

various RF drone strikes on Ukrainian targets


Avdiivka, Ukrainian screws up own counter-offensive


RF forces battling ukrainians in trenches at Marinka


RF artillery and airforce bomb ukrainians in Novomikhailovka, DPR


Cargo ship POV, Odessa air defense vs RF Geran drones

I actually think sending people with severe disabilities has a massive negative impact on Ukrainian forces, not only are these groupings of people incapable for fighting effectively, but can actually put other Ukrainian soldiers at risk, and the effect on morale.

Very much agree and of course most Ukrainian men are conservative men and will have very traditional ideas about women in combat too so when women drafted are sent to the front they may find themselves taking risks to protect their women... like a conservative traditional man would... and the way a modern western woman would object to in a city street but in a burning building or in a trench on the front line would actually appreciate and even expect.

Looking at that footage of the cemetery the person who makes flags is making good money...

So the new Ukronazi shit spew is the ship that was hit was carrying drones from Iran? Any truth to that or nust more empty Ukronazi swill?

The bosphorus is closed to Russian military ships so it would not be able to get there. It would make more sense to send such a ship the length of the Caspian sea to collect direct from Iran and deliver direct to Russia.

It is interesting that that is what they fantasise about as the cargo... they would not be shipped fuelled up or fitted with warheads so even if that was the cargo it would not have blown up like that.

It was more likely fuel and ammo on board whatever was hit.

Now that's a completely different aspect of morale frontline war morale and civilian morale I think as U pointed out is also very low. I am actually surprised we haven't seen a civil rebellion yet.

How do we know there hasn't. Could we trust western or Ukrainian media to properly report the mood in the Ukraine or unrest?

Any gathering of those opposing the war would be a delicious target for the press gangs looking for new "volunteers".

But there will be a tipping point when mobilization forces will have had enough and refuse to fight and threaten a mutiny on commanders. And I think this will happen regionally.

Actually that chick that was Ukrainian president a few years ago.... yuliashenko or something has said Zelensky needs a plan B because the current plan is not working. She actually suggested that instead of forming up a new recruitment of retards and invalids that the police and law enforcement structure should be sent to the front lines as they have proper training.

I suspect the suggestion of which might lead to said individuals having thoughts about getting a new government. She has political power and controls about 24 seats or so in their government so such comments would be seen as a real threat for such people... they are in a better position to mutiny than the people they are calling up who likely wont get weapons till they are on the front line.

So does a guy with AK on a mobility scooter count a technical?

12V or 24V?

Best line would be between Warsaw and Bucharest.

I was thinking the English channel... perhaps they could build a bridge to a newly independent Scotland...

GarryB wrote:

Now that's a completely different aspect of morale frontline war morale and civilian morale I think as U pointed out is also very low. I am actually surprised we haven't seen a civil rebellion yet.

How do we know there hasn't. Could we trust western or Ukrainian media to properly report the mood in the Ukraine or unrest?
Any gathering of those opposing the war would be a delicious target for the press gangs looking for new "volunteers".

You folks are missing one point here, which is the mass of propaganda and the general psychical state of Ukrainians after that.
I suppose that the cause is that you have never experienced that by your own.
Imagine a society, that was brainwashed for the whole period of 30+ years.
Only the intensity of brainwashing was changing, not the pure fact.
Radical bandera/nazi scum raised their heads in Ukraine in 1992 already, establishing as a formal political body and entity.
The whole beginning of Ukraine was based on radical nationalism, which ended up with spoiled blood in the case of Crimea back in 1992-1994 already, including politically motivated assassinations, murderers, newly established ukroKGB overrunning deputies and the parliament.
Kidnappings, the killing of journalists - everything there was being played by the book.
Yet for the entire period, society was being fed with shit about Ukraine.
They really used to teach kids about non existing rulers, kings, and tsars of non existing Ukrainian statehood.
Both the country and its society were drowning into the abyss of madness.
People who were forced to flee the country to seek for job in Russia, were busy arguing of how superior is the condition of their country versus Russia.
People who fled to Poland, to clean toilets, were telling stories of having ten iPhones and two Mercedes cars back home.
It was a common madness, an unitary state of the society.
Now for the last 10 years, this propaganda was only getting more primitive and harsh in measures, and increasing in load.
We have multiple interviews with soldiers and officers, openly saying that the society is totally zombified.
Objective information and stories of war vets are declined by civilians, who are so much loaded up with shit that can't breath any longer.
Propaganda is telling about non existing peremogas, victories, hundreds of thousands killer "orcs" who are stupid, can't fight, must rob watching machines.
For gods sake, it was the highest official of the EU spreading this absurd, in the front of entire EU parliament
It is not a matter of von der Lyen being dumb cu#nt, which she obviously is, but entire campaign that soils minds of the people.
Those who were objecting to that, fled the country. Were fleeing it in a continuous wave.
Who was left behind?
Is there any endline of the propaganda-driven madness you would consider for those people?

d_taddei2 wrote:I actually think sending people with severe disabilities has a massive negative impact on Ukrainian forces, not only are these groupings of people incapable for fighting effectively, but can actually put other Ukrainian soldiers at risk, and the effect on morale. When you find yourself sharing a trench with such people you will instantly realise that their is no hope if your country is relying on such people then you know that the war is about to be over. This I think is worthy of a war crime forcing such people to fight.

Many of those disabled are most likely war veterans. This is one way of getting them back in the meat grinder hopefully to die this time around - probably saving a lot of $ in the process.

PapaDragon wrote:
So does a guy with AK on a mobility scooter count a technical?

Would fit perfectly into the newly formed mech brigades

Mir wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
So does a guy with AK on a mobility scooter count a technical?

Would fit perfectly into the newly formed mech brigades

Garry asked a good question, what voltage?
12V will be mechanized.
24V will be armored.

Medvedev called Odessa, Kharkov, Nikolaev and Kyiv Russian cities, by Elizaveta Shishkova for VZGLYAD. 12.28.2023.

Medvedev called Odessa, Kharkov, Kyiv and Nikolaev “marked yellow-blue” Russian cities.

Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Nikolaev, Kyiv, marked in yellow and blue, are Russian cities, like other temporarily occupied ones, said Deputy Chairman of the Russian Security Council Dmitry Medvedev.

According to him, these cities “are still marked in yellow-blue on paper maps and on electronic tablets,” RIA Novosti reports .

Medvedev was asked whether negotiations to resolve the crisis were possible next year against the backdrop of Kyiv’s depleting reserves and the collective West pushing Ukraine towards negotiations.

The Deputy Chairman of the Security Council explained that such negotiations are not limited by time.

He clarified that negotiations could continue “until the complete defeat and capitulation of the Bandera troops of the North Atlantic Alliance.”

Medvedev noted that negotiations are possible, and Russia has never rejected them, unlike Kyiv.

Earlier, Medvedev compared the situation in Ukraine to the struggle of spiders placed in one jar.

https://vz.ru/news/2023/12/28/1246483.html