Russian special military operation in Ukraine #51

I think taking territory all the way to Kiev at least is the benchmark now. Kiev will be some sort of agreement and a Pro Russian government in the west. Of course the other option is full takeover. And I strong suspect once Odessa is taken Transnistria and Gaugazhia will be taken and we a Moldova crisis unfold and I believe Moldova has happen fast for it to be effective. And believe Russia will take Moldova as a bonus and as a warning to the west you want to provoke the bear it will come back you and take more than you thought. It would also somehow make any Russian casualties seem more worthwhile in this whole war.

The west is trying to pull the same psyop as during the 1917 revolution where rumours of "sell out" were spread to foist regime change on Russia.
Now we have this BS about how Putin is engaging in "secret" back channel negotiations because Russia surely must be losing.

This psyop is aimed a retards in Russia who really should pack their bags and move to NATzO. The sixth and fifth columns of useful idiots.

Likely what is happening in Ukraine right now.

https://t.me/intelslava/54124

Hot damn!

Best M-109 ending I've seen

Been a lull in their launches, now over

There are 3 rocket launchers in the Black Sea. The total salvo is 16 Caliber missiles!

Military Reports (SVO)

Now there is photo analysis of the attack. Still don't understand the size of the explosion. The Ukies are claiming she could have been full of Shahads but that makes no logistical sense.

Before on 6/12.


After on 26/12



Another victim? Confirmation that the training ship UTS-150 was left mostly submerged, if not also completely destroyed.



After on 27/12




With tug to give scale.

It has two grad MLRS launchers with like hundreds of rockets. Probably what destroyed it.

One missile shouldn't destroy such ships because they are empty and float pretty well when empty because it needs to carry a huge amount of stuff when loaded.

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6 minutes of the best VOG25 moments

Warning!:

If you have 100 of them a night, the enemy has 100 men less.

Isos wrote:It has two grad MLRS launchers with like hundreds of rockets. Probably what destroyed it.

One missile shouldn't destroy such ships because they are empty and float pretty well when empty because it needs to carry a huge amount of stuff when loaded.

Um if that was the case then, whoever is in charge of that dock needs to be fired.

You do not keep ships loaded with munitions within strike range of enemy forces during wartime for that reason.

Two of the Ukrainian Gyurza class gunboats (ex- Vishgorod and ex-Ackerman) that were captured earlier and had their 30mm Ukrainina guns replaced by old Soviet 25mm.

Garry asked a good question, what voltage?
12V will be mechanized.
24V will be armored.

Sadly it the answer is probably... it doesn't matter because 12 V was invented in Kiev and 24 V invented in Lvov... in the year 3,000 BC, and then almost 5 thousand years later ( 100 years ago) Russia took over everything and destroyed everything and rewrote the history of the entire world.

You folks are missing one point here, which is the mass of propaganda and the general psychical state of Ukrainians after that.
I suppose that the cause is that you have never experienced that by your own.

The real question is, will the arrival of draft papers to the police and paramilitary forces and orders to go to the front line be an effective antidote to their careful and thorough indoctrination, or will it just lead to them crossing the border in the opposite direction with all the money and material they have accumulated from the role of being police or rounding up volunteers for the front.

When that game is over they might want to cash out and move somewhere else.

Is there any endline of the propaganda-driven madness you would consider for those people?

They have tested and added Coalition to the front line, but all the other systems seem to cure this disease just as effectively too.

And I strong suspect once Odessa is taken Transnistria and Gaugazhia will be taken and we a Moldova crisis unfold and I believe Moldova has happen fast for it to be effective.

I am absolutely certain that Russia will make no moves to take any existing part of Moldova, but equally if they choose to have a referendum and decide to join the Russian federation then negotiations with Moldova can start on an agreed to border... once things settle down I rather suspect Moldova will prefer Russia as a neighbour than Ukraine. Gas will be cheaper and easier and likely trade would be more healthy too unless they join the EU and HATO and turn like Finland and Sweden, in which case... build a wall.

And believe Russia will take Moldova as a bonus and as a warning to the west you want to provoke the bear it will come back you and take more than you thought. It would also somehow make any Russian casualties seem more worthwhile in this whole war.

I can't see Putin wanting to take in a hostile population like that. Russia does not need more land and in fact an independent Moldova free of EU and HATO BS is probably a good neighbour they could trade with and have good relations with.

It is the EU and HATO that probably wont leave Moldova alone...

This psyop is aimed a retards in Russia who really should pack their bags and move to NATzO. The sixth and fifth columns of useful idiots.

Actually I think it is aimed at Zelensky to say... if you don't start discussing terms then we will make an agreement without you that you certainly wont like. The funny side is that the EU are hearing this and getting their panic on.

Notice Creepy Joe stopped with the "as long as it takes" line and now says "as long as we can".

Biden needs the conflict to stabilise and freeze before the election so he can declare victory and try to get reelected...

Of course a freeze or ceasefire means nothing to Russia... in 2014 they used ceasefires to build their forces up so they could have another go later and that is what they would do now.

Putin will talk but there will be no ceasefire or freeze... only agreements with the US and EU over the security situation in Europe including guarantees about HATO and Ukraine... and probably a new replacement for some treaties the US has torn up already.

It has two grad MLRS launchers with like hundreds of rockets. Probably what destroyed it.

One missile shouldn't destroy such ships because they are empty and float pretty well when empty because it needs to carry a huge amount of stuff when loaded.

It is a landing ship that was used as part of the Syrian express to deliver ammo and fuel and weapons to Syria... most of which is a fire hazard... there is no surprise it blew up after being hit by missiles with 250kg bombs on board.

Explosions everywhere this night in Ukraine. Ecerything was used zxcept kalibr accirding to ukro air force.

Plenty of video on Ayden twitter. Huge fireballs in every city and ukro air defence intercepting buildings.

Krepost wrote:Two of the Ukrainian Gyurza class gunboats (ex- Vishgorod and ex-Ackerman) that were captured earlier and had their 30mm Ukrainina guns replaced by old Soviet 25mm.

This is something I can't figure out.
Those boats were using an Ukro clone of 2A72 with standard 30x152 ammunition.
Missiles used there are laser guided, and can be easily replaced by equivalent or even retained. Russkie took tens of those as war prizes.
Where is the point of replacing that turret with anachronic dual 25 mm cannons that were used for hunting dinosaurs?

And for this sunked 1171, have you noticed no collateral damage? Even a light construction barracks standing on piere next to it look undamaged. It is weird, ammunition detonation of this scale would have wiped out an entire area Maybe it was fuel explosion ideed? That is why first reports claimed a tanker?

I suspect the problem was that the gun was a 2A72 30 x 165mm army gun, which uses different ammo to the navy round of the same calibre.

Are they percussion and electric fired?

In comparison the 25 x 210mm is probably available in storage and the target likely would not notice the difference in power and performance.

Maybe they are fitting it out for remote control to use to attack coastal targets without risking sailors... keep firing till it gets sunk while other platforms flying high up and further away monitor where all the enemy fire is coming from and marking it for artillery and drone strikes.

Ah, you are right. It is 30x165 indeed.
Yet the turret system was remotely controlled, with a thermal imager, automatic 30 mm mortar, PKT machine gun and Baryer missile system.
Replacing that with an ancient 25 mm dual gun turret with no remote control or targeting system is at least bizarre idea. All weapon systems other than missiles were of Russian used standard, and the missiles they clearly have at disposal.

As various sources have pointed out NATO want to turn Moldova into another Ukraine that would leave Russia no option but to take it. And not the whole of Moldova are pro NATO, still a reasonable number of population still Russian leaning. The thing with Moldova is it won't be given a choice, it will be forced by NATO.

The White House has approved another tranche of US military aid to Ukraine worth some $250m (£195m).

The latest package includes air defence, artillery and small arms ammunition, and anti-tank weapons, US officials say.

But it marks the last funding available without fresh approval from Congress, where talks have stalled.

Ukraine has warned that the war effort and its public finances are at risk if further Western aid is not forthcoming.

Ukraine is facing a $43bn budget deficit and officials say they may have to delay salaries and pensions for government employees if further aid from the West does not come soon.

"The support of partners is extremely critical," Ukraine's Deputy Prime Minister Yulia Svyrydenko, who also serves as the country's economy minister, said in an interview with the Financial Times on Wednesday. "We need it urgently."

The newspaper reported that talks were progressing on a smaller aid package that would not need Hungary's approval, which could be taken up in early February.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67830918

The latest package includes air defence, artillery and small arms ammunition, and anti-tank weapons, US officials say.








More wonder- bra ! Sorry wunderwaffen !

As various sources have pointed out NATO want to turn Moldova into another Ukraine that would leave Russia no option but to take it.

I am sure plenty in HATO would love for that to happen but will Moldova let them?

It is not just up to HATO to decide, there has to be a countries entire elite prepared to sell out their own country for their own personal benefit.

Not all of them are empty money grabbers to the core... and of course sometimes there are enough in positions of power to stop them anyway.

GarryB wrote:

As various sources have pointed out NATO want to turn Moldova into another Ukraine that would leave Russia no option but to take it.

I am sure plenty in HATO would love for that to happen but will Moldova let them?

It is not just up to HATO to decide, there has to be a countries entire elite prepared to sell out their own country for their own personal benefit.

Not all of them are empty money grabbers to the core... and of course sometimes there are enough in positions of power to stop them anyway.

There are enough people ready to do that unfortunately and the current foreign agent masquerading as president is importing always more Romanian citizens and putting them in important positions.

The former president Igor Dodon was against this. He did not want his country to become part of Russia or of EU but he wanted good cooperation with both and he even (as a person, not as president) recognised Crimea as part of Russia.

Unfortunately he lost the elections in 2020 (I believe that the pro-romanian candidate Maia Sandu had a lot of foreign help in organising a massive fraud during those elections) and the new president in the meanwhile illegally removed the opposition members from all important positions.

I posted about some of this issues yesterday in the Moldavia and Transnistria thread.

They are pushing for an annexation of Moldavia by Romania, but if that happen it will be war.

Many groups in gagauzian already said that they would separate immediately in case of annexation by Romania.

Probably the pro Romanian putschist (including current president Maia Sandu) are trying to have a "fait accompli" before Russia will be at the border with Transnistria, Moldavia and Romania.

Is any of you seriously consider discussion about 2.5 mln population of Moldova to threathen Russia?
Mind to share the stuff you are taking?

ALAMO wrote:Is any of you seriously consider discussion about 2.5 mln population of Moldova to threathen Russia?
Mind to share the stuff you are taking?

Moldavia does not threaten Russia, but it can be another country sacrificed from NATO to the hate against Russia, as it has been the case with Georgia, Armenia, etc.

Georgia is already sobering.
Pussynian at the last week meeting with Putin was not much in a war mood either
While Aliyev behaved like at the meeting with his best buddy.