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Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
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Note that today is Zelinsky birthday and the mobilisation bill was to be passed and the return of 140 prisoners to take place today. All good PR or events that someone didn't want.
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Garry B wrote :
Whether they ended up in the same positions is not the point... the difference is that rather less Ukrainian soldiers would be dead and rather more Russians would be dead...
For the same expenditure of force ( the total integrated force over time ) we would expect the same advance or retreat ( the total integrated area of operations over time ) and the same rate of attrition ( the total integrated losses over time ) . The only difference being perhaps the changing rate , one of increasing or decreasing amplitude or undamped system , where energy supplied equals energy lost ( more like what I am suggesting ) . Interesting problem !
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#Ukraine easily loses 500 soldiers on a given day. 65 #POWs R nothing for #Zelensky if they could be sacrificed in a way that hurts reputation of #Zaluzjniy or anyone else he needs to remove so be it. #Ukranians loyal to regime will be unmoved too. Hate for #Russia is too strong
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#Ukraine easily loses 500 soldiers on a given day. 65 #POWs R nothing for #Zelensky if they could be sacrificed in a way that hurts reputation of #Zaluzjniy or anyone else he needs to remove so be it. #Ukranians loyal to regime will be unmoved too. Hate for #Russia is too strong
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Karl Haushofer Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:22 pm
And now Ukraine attacked and destroyed a Rosneft oil refinery near Krasnodar. It was the biggest oil refinery in Russia.
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The Ukrainian Armed Forces shot down an Il-76 from the Patriot complex, French media reported, 01.25.2024.
Franceinfo: The Ukrainian Armed Forces could shoot down an Il-76 in the Belgorod region from the Patriot air defense system.
PARIS, January 25 – RIA Novosti. The Ukrainian Armed Forces could shoot down a Russian Il-76 military transport plane with Ukrainian prisoners of war from the American Patriot air defense system, Franceinfo radio station reports , citing a French military source.
“The Il-76 aircraft was hit by an American-made Patriot air defense system at the disposal of the Ukrainian army,” the report says.
France Info is one of the largest radio networks in France. It is part of the national public television France Télévisions.
https://ria.ru/20240125/il-76-1923421141.html
Franceinfo: The Ukrainian Armed Forces could shoot down an Il-76 in the Belgorod region from the Patriot air defense system.
PARIS, January 25 – RIA Novosti. The Ukrainian Armed Forces could shoot down a Russian Il-76 military transport plane with Ukrainian prisoners of war from the American Patriot air defense system, Franceinfo radio station reports , citing a French military source.
“The Il-76 aircraft was hit by an American-made Patriot air defense system at the disposal of the Ukrainian army,” the report says.
France Info is one of the largest radio networks in France. It is part of the national public television France Télévisions.
https://ria.ru/20240125/il-76-1923421141.html
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
ucmvulcan Thu Jan 25, 2024 12:53 pm
Karl Haushofer wrote:And now Ukraine attacked and destroyed a Rosneft oil refinery near Krasnodar. It was the biggest oil refinery in Russia.
got a link for that or was it a local fire that was quickly put out like the damaged awacs plane you rurned into an A 50?
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Oh I see, an oil refinery was damaged, but the fire has been extinguished and it didn't take a whole lot of fire firefighters to put the fire out? You'd think the largest refinery in Russia would burn for days and would cause mass evacuations. Looks like they hit an oil tank or two, and this is from looking at the American tabloid "Newsweek."
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A pretty reliable source
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Arkanghelsk Thu Jan 25, 2024 2:06 pm
JohninMK wrote:The future?
This is because in every single sector of the front, Russia is dismantling the VSU
The advances are undeniable
Krakhmalnoye, Avdeevka, Pervomaisk, Georgievka, Novomikhailovka, Rabotino, Ivanovske, and countless of other areas show the Russian army advancing
I don't think Tavrida has any possibility to reverse this and that's why Ukros are feeling this panic and the need to conduct some terror or some provocation
But notice Russia is ice cold, and just increases the pressure at the front
The main generals have tried it all, they already used:
- general syrsky
-general naev
-general ternavsky
-general Moskalev
-general zaluzhny
All of these generals have burned through their manpower and reserves, weapons, ammunition and they have no moves to make
As the Avdeevka battle comes to an end, the final battles for Chasov Yar, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk, and Konstantinovka await
That will be the beginning of the endgame
That is the last line of defense and once it is broken, the massive Russian army will diffuse across the Frontline because there won't be any resistance or organize defensive line until the Dnieper river
Ukros are digging trenches now behind donbass, but those trenches are not bunkers or cities
They aren't stopping anyone , especially aviation
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Kiko wrote:The Ukrainian Armed Forces shot down an Il-76 from the Patriot complex, French media reported, 01.25.2024.
Franceinfo: The Ukrainian Armed Forces could shoot down an Il-76 in the Belgorod region from the Patriot air defense system.
PARIS, January 25 – RIA Novosti. The Ukrainian Armed Forces could shoot down a Russian Il-76 military transport plane with Ukrainian prisoners of war from the American Patriot air defense system, Franceinfo radio station reports , citing a French military source.
“The Il-76 aircraft was hit by an American-made Patriot air defense system at the disposal of the Ukrainian army,” the report says.
France Info is one of the largest radio networks in France. It is part of the national public television France Télévisions.
https://ria.ru/20240125/il-76-1923421141.html
They were quick to blame the Patriot for this ugly crime, before US blames SAMP/T. The blame will finally go the Germans I guess
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MIM-104 requires a fully deployed system to operate. It takes around an hour to do it, and one more to reverse the process. Maybe slightly shorter it there will be only one system operating, but not much shorter.
It is almost impossible to do it so close to the border, which is being constantly monitored with counter-battery systems ready to kill enemy artillery.
Both IRIS and Buk are the first to blame, but Iris lacks the range.
Buk can be used without any supportive systems, with own on board radar station. It will lack IFF, but it is irrelevant to this matter. And it has a desired range with 9M38M1 missile that is being operated by Ukrs. Hardly, but does.
It is almost impossible to do it so close to the border, which is being constantly monitored with counter-battery systems ready to kill enemy artillery.
Both IRIS and Buk are the first to blame, but Iris lacks the range.
Buk can be used without any supportive systems, with own on board radar station. It will lack IFF, but it is irrelevant to this matter. And it has a desired range with 9M38M1 missile that is being operated by Ukrs. Hardly, but does.
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JohninMK wrote:Note that today is Zelinsky birthday and the mobilisation bill was to be passed and the return of 140 prisoners to take place today. All good PR or events that someone didn't want.
He does not offer a theory if this was intentional or a mistake or what the motive might be. So he is just a blathering idiot.
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Big_Gazza wrote:Backman wrote:Lots of these prisoner exchange flights have happened already. They didn't even do it to take out the plane. The US's invisible hand is in all of these kinds of attacks.They did it just to sow more despair and anymous between both sides. And to stop these cooperative exchanges between both sides.PapaDragon wrote:
Russians served that airplane to Ukrainians on a silver platter when they announced it's route, Ukrainians would be retarded not to take the shot
Handful of POWs are far less useful than scratching off enemy Il-76
Buy a new plane and don't be stupid in the future
Does anyone believe that Patriot or Iris-T batteries in Ukropistan are manned and operated by Ukro apes? No, they are operated by sheep-dipped NATO personnel, and act under the orders of NATO intel and their neocon controllers.
One would think if the NATO apes did this against orders of the govt, then the govt may send their locations to the Russians via backchannel for a hypersssonic howdy. After all they would represent a coup risk to Zelensky.
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Yet more shit in the streets.
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mnztr wrote:
He does not offer a theory if this was intentional or a mistake or what the motive might be. So he is just a blathering idiot.
Almost certainly better for his personal safety that way.
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Washington, we have a problem
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Arkanghelsk Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:32 pm
Seems some sources are saying a PATRIOT did it
GUR wants to continue with prisoner exchanges
So someone wanted to sabotage any form of a peacemaking process similar to the negotiations in Istanbul
As I have said many times, the elections will bring war, and a more aggressive Russia
Notice that western media was advertising about war between NATO and Russia - ofc they are instigating it
IMO Putin will untie the hands of the SVR, and take advantage of what is occurring in Texas
And he will also untie the hands of the VKS, and start downing NATO ISR planes
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Karl Haushofer Thu Jan 25, 2024 6:41 pm
Has Russia provided any concrete proof that the plane was carrying ukrainian pows?
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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #52
Odin of Ossetia Thu Jan 25, 2024 7:17 pm
thegopnik wrote:-Tornado we dont hear much about being used but that the production is being done on 3 work shifts.
-Sniper riflemen are being treated with love, got different sniper rifle companies making new rifles for them to use in the operation, sosna-n used in operation to blind optics trying to spot them and clothing that is invisible to heat detection. Simo Hayha is treated as the best sniper rifleman, but no one talks about the next top 10 being Russian snipers with 300+ to 400+ kills in WW2. Assuming they are all skilled in their craft the only current fear they have to worry about is enemy FPV drones during daylight hours.
-Koalition howitzers being put in the special operation, so definitely good chance of production for new ammunition that has max ranges similar to HIMARs.
-quad pantsir missiles close to being done for testing to fight off drone swarms. Assuming photonic modules start getting produced some time this year, millimeter wave radars with extreme precision might be made lowering the cost of electronics for homing heads for each pantsir missile ammunition.
-Hermes is regarded as stilling being worked on.
Top Snipers of the Second World War.
http://www.wio.ru/galgrnd/sniper/sniper.htm
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Karl Haushofer wrote:Has Russia provided any concrete proof that the plane was carrying ukrainian pows?
So Ukraine gets to claim 2 A-50s, Bucha, Russian troops not wearing coats, killing countless Russian generals and "destroying a major Rosneft oil refinery" without any evidence at all and its good enough for you even when they have a brown streak of BS a mile wide and yet you won't take Russia at their word when Moscow has not told even one lie yet in this war. That's very telling
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JohninMK wrote:mnztr wrote:
He does not offer a theory if this was intentional or a mistake or what the motive might be. So he is just a blathering idiot.
Almost certainly better for his personal safety that way.
By not offering it up the SBU will probably arrest him and torture him to find out what he knows anyway, so he may as well spit it out.
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Odin of Ossetia wrote:thegopnik wrote:-Tornado we dont hear much about being used but that the production is being done on 3 work shifts.
-Sniper riflemen are being treated with love, got different sniper rifle companies making new rifles for them to use in the operation, sosna-n used in operation to blind optics trying to spot them and clothing that is invisible to heat detection. Simo Hayha is treated as the best sniper rifleman, but no one talks about the next top 10 being Russian snipers with 300+ to 400+ kills in WW2. Assuming they are all skilled in their craft the only current fear they have to worry about is enemy FPV drones during daylight hours.
-Koalition howitzers being put in the special operation, so definitely good chance of production for new ammunition that has max ranges similar to HIMARs.
-quad pantsir missiles close to being done for testing to fight off drone swarms. Assuming photonic modules start getting produced some time this year, millimeter wave radars with extreme precision might be made lowering the cost of electronics for homing heads for each pantsir missile ammunition.
-Hermes is regarded as stilling being worked on.
Top Snipers of the Second World War.
http://www.wio.ru/galgrnd/sniper/sniper.htm
Quite amazing that the most famous Vasilly Zaytsev is so low down the list. I guess he was early and then withdrawn and used for propagada purposes.
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I warn you. This is not for sensitive persons...Karl Haushofer wrote:Has Russia provided any concrete proof that the plane was carrying ukrainian pows?
https://t.me/denatofication/7741
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