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    Post  ALAMO Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:00 pm

    Macaroni felt so much in power with his latest claims, that get hard.
    He will announce to the nation, that this night he might even consider delivering this hard proof of victory to his auntie ... I mean, wife.
    Maybe it will last a moment, tho.

    You're right. It doesn't appear to be a rocket strike, except for the steep angle of attack. And the Tornado-S has a much bigger boom than this one.

    Much bigger, much faster, and arriving at different trajectory
    And none of those I have seen was painted white Very Happy

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    Post  Belisarius Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:06 pm

    ❗"80 percent of western drones launched against Russia FAIL due to effective Russian use of electronic warfare systems.”

    ⚡The striking admission on Russia's success in countering western drones was made public by UK's Chief of the General Staff General Patrick Sanders at the US National Training Center in California during the CSIS round table on Wednesday 12th of march.

    🇦🇺🇺🇸🇬🇧The heads of the American, British and Australian armies met at the CSIS to confirm UK, US and Australia will forge forward with deeper integration of security and tech through the AUKUS alliance.

    https://t.me/AussieCossack/14184

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:31 pm

    ALAMO wrote:...
    Jesus fukin' Christ, Antonio, are you going to spam this thread the same way you have spammed Gazan one?!?!?!?!

    I completely tuned out of that tread and the whole Gaza thing precisely because of his constant toilet clogging

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:32 pm

    https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/104230

    A try to break through the border ends up with a tank blown up.

    Two interesting things.

    First, the guy has a clearly Caucasian accent, so probably he is Chechen from Ahmat.
    Second, they are commenting that the thugs that run away from the tank are dressed in civilian clothes (Russkie folks, please stand me corrected if that is an accent problem for me?)

    By the way, most of the heavy gear they have used staging this commercial is already a burned-out carcass.

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:08 pm




    Putin warned about the consequences of the entry of Polish troops into Ukraine. Putin said that if Poland sends troops into Ukraine, they will not leave. According to the Russian leader, Poland wants to return the lands that it considers its own. Therefore, the president believes that Polish troops can use “covering the Ukrainian-Belarusian border” as a reason to enter Ukrainian territory. However, in the end, the Poles will want to return the lands that they consider historically theirs, Putin is sure. “They dream and see, they want to return those lands that they consider historically theirs, and which were taken away from them by the father of nations, Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin, and transferred to Ukraine. They, of course, want to return them,” Putin explained. Meanwhile, the president said that the Russian Federation is ready for negotiations on Ukraine based on reality. wrote:



    What a disgusting lie by the ethnic Ukrainian Putin.


    Almost nobody in Poland wants these lands back.



    He also forgot to thank the New Polish Resistance Movement for the wonderful work it has already done:

    https://asaland.proboards.com/thread/535/polish-resistance-movement-derails-supplies



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    Post  ALAMO Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:04 pm

    The thing turned ridiculous on the same level as any ukro PR stage ...

    Fags were hiding in a basement of a home at UKRO side of the border Shocked Shocked
    Filming "Neverland" level of shit, with homes/landscape in a background that can be easily checked and located.
    Last but not least, they have filmed and aired a film where they "repel" Russkie assault - being some kind of shit show over an empty building IN UKRAINE.
    This thing is a grotesque.

    Those fugs are turning human lives into grotesque.

    It is an insanely inhuman regime.

    The highest time to free Ukrainians.

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    Post  Kiko Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:18 pm

    We now know why the only credible peace deal between Russia and Ukraine collapsed, by Sergey Poletaev, co-founder and editor of the Vatfor project, for RT. 03.13.2024.

    Revelations published in the Wall Street Journal shed new light on Vladimir Zelensky’s role in sabotaging the Istanbul agreements.

    Last week, the Wall Street Journal published new details of the failed Ukraine peace talks held in Istanbul in the spring of 2022. The story resembles some kind of off-the-wall pro-Kiev propaganda along the lines of 'look how Moscow tried to subjugate them, it’s no wonder the Ukrainians refused.'

    Today, we’ll try to reconstruct the events and understand why the peace agreements were sabotaged, what role each party played in the process, and whether it was really former British prime minister Boris Johnson who scuppered a deal.

    The bifurcation point

    For those who don’t remember the exact chronology of the events, here’s a short recap of what happened. Others may just scroll to the next section.

    Negotiations on a diplomatic settlement to the conflict between Moscow and Kiev began back in February 2022, four days after the start of Russia’s military operation. The first three rounds of negotiations were held in Belarus, and on March 10, they continued in Istanbul with a meeting of the foreign ministers of Russia and Ukraine.

    There were also delegation-level talks between Ukraine and Russia, headed by the Russian-born David Arakhamia (the leader of President Vladimir Zelensky’s faction in parliament) and Vladimir Medinsky (a top aide to President Vladimir Putin), respectively. By April, the delegations had initialed the version of the agreement (along with a list of points on which they disagreed) later referenced by various media outlets and published by the Journal.

    Meanwhile, Russia had withdrawn its troops from near Kiev, and the delegations went their separate ways. As it turned out, they would never meet again. Boris Johnson visited Kiev on April 10, and right after his visit, the Ukrainian side withdrew from the negotiation process. Their narrative soon switched to fanciful talk of securing a complete victory.

    What was in the agreements that Kiev so suddenly walked away from? First of all, Kiev would have gotten back practically all its territories, including Donbass, in exchange for neutral status. There were certain options on the table even in regard to Crimea – a situation that would now be impossible. But most importantly, these peace agreements were the last chance to prevent what began as a relatively restrained military operation turning into a protracted full-on war.

    Historians will argue about events such as Istanbul for decades, and even having access to archives, different researchers will propose totally different versions.

    Up until recently, we could only base our opinions on the statements of the participants and indirect information. Now, thanks to the Journal, we can finally put the pieces of the puzzle together and confidently say that the agreements fell through because the two sides had a completely different understanding of the security guarantees that were supposed to be provided to Ukraine. As for the final decision to terminate the negotiation process, this was made by Zelensky.

    The devil is in the details

    The classic version of events states that Ukraine was ready to sign the agreements, but then Boris Johnson came to Kiev, hugged some pretty Ukrainian railway conductors, and ordered Zelensky to terminate the negotiation process, allegedly saying, “You shouldn’t sign anything with them at all – and let’s just fight.”

    Coincidentally, this version was pedaled by the Ukrainian authorities themselves. It was first relayed by Arakhamia. Moscow picked up the story, and it became widely speculated that Kiev had no say in the matter and the Englishman had ruined everything.

    However, it turns out that things weren’t quite that simple. According to the newspaper, Moscow proposed the following plan: Under the Istanbul treaty, Ukraine’s security was to be guaranteed by foreign powers, including the US, UK, China, France, and Russia. These countries would be obliged to protect Kiev if the treaty were violated. But as long as the treaty remained in force, the guarantors would be obliged to “terminate international treaties and agreements that are incompatible with the permanent neutrality of Ukraine,” including any promises of bilateral military assistance.

    This approach is quite consistent for Moscow:

    Firstly, the Minsk I and II agreements also had external guarantors; Minsk II was approved by the UN Security Council, and that gave it binding, international legal status.
    Secondly, the Medvedev-Sarkozy peace plan used a similar strategy for settling the conflict in South Ossetia in 2008. The European Union then acted as the guarantor, and the agreement was also approved by the UN Security Council.
    Thirdly, as far as we know, China could also have become a security guarantor.
    Fourthly, generally speaking, peace treaties signed with the participation of neutral (or armed-neutral) guarantors were a standard practice of the pre-UN era.

    Moscow’s understanding of the agreement could be summed up in the following way: Ukraine’s security is guaranteed as long as it complies with the terms of the agreement, the main point of which is its neutral status.

    During the negotiations, Arakhamia outlined Ukraine’s version. Within three days of a potential outbreak of war, aggression, a military operation, or any disguised, hybrid war against Ukraine, the guarantor countries would have to hold consultations, following which they would be legally obliged to provide Ukraine with military assistance – particularly by supplying weapons and establishing a no-fly zone.

    Ukraine officially said that “this mechanism is even clearer than in Article 5 of NATO, which envisages no limits as regards the timing of consultations.” In other words, in the spring of 2022, Ukraine shouted far and wide that it would sign a treaty that would be more binding than NATO’s promise to members.

    This approach is quite consistent for Kiev, which, since the mid-2000s, has longed to get under the “umbrella” of Western military guarantees. In fact, Ukraine strived to join NATO so much that it even made an amendment to its constitution, officially declaring NATO accession to be the country’s main objective.

    Kiev’s vision of the agreement implied that the country’s security must be guaranteed by NATO leaders in any circumstances, regardless of Ukraine’s actions.

    According to Arakhamia, Boris Johnson then came to Ukraine, told Zelensky “let’s just fight,” and that’s how war started. The situation was further fueled by the Bucha provocation. (By the way, Johnson himself has called the Ukrainian version of events “total nonsense and Russian propaganda.”)

    So, what really happened in April 2022? Apparently, upon arriving in Kiev, Johnson told Zelensky (speaking on behalf of the UK, US, and France) something along the lines of: 'You can sign anything you want, but we will not sign anything and we are not ready to provide any guarantees, especially considering your requirements and wording.

    'The decision is yours, Mr. Zelensky. If you choose war, we will support you with money and weapons; if you choose peace, you will be left on your own with Putin.'

    This matches the West’s subsequent actions and decisions, since so far, no one in the West has taken on any legal obligations in regard to Ukraine. Even the agreements on military assistance concluded this spring are nothing more than a set of declarations which are convenient for the West. Here’s the collective stance of Western leaders: NATO is not ready to provide any guarantees to Ukraine and will not sign any agreements.

    If all this is indeed true (and the facts seem to leave no room for doubt), then it was Zelensky who made the fatal decision to stop negotiations. And while the West pushed him to this decision, its leaders also fell into the trap of believing that the conflict could be settled on the battlefield.

    At some point, instead of following a rational course, Western elites allowed their emotions to get the better of them. Zelensky convinced them that the Armed Forces of Ukraine could defeat Russia, and they believed this to such an extent that they were willing to risk their political standing and even the future of the entire current liberal world order.

    All this has led the West to a decisive fork in the road: What to do if Ukraine loses? Should Western leaders follow the example of Johnson and leave Ukraine alone with Moscow, or should they start a big war with Russia?

    Either way, the path that they chose will influence the entire course of world history.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/594081-ukraine-wsj-zelensky-west/

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:58 pm

    The next target direction?

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    Post  Hole Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:38 pm

    Bet on Lancet or izd. 305 
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    Lancet

    80 percent of western drones launched against Russia FAIL due to effective Russian use of electronic warfare systems.
    If the Brits state this then the real number is likely around 90%.  Very Happy

    Those fugs are turning human lives into grotesque.
    Propably a Disney operation.

    The next target direction?
    You have to be no Schukov to get that.  Very Happy

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    Post  nomadski Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:40 pm





    Well , if Poland closes the border against military supplies to Ukraine , allowing Russia to advance to Deniper . Then Russia can allow negotiations between Poland and Ukraine , regarding any territorial claim . But if Poland advances into Ukraine , while allowing supplies to Ukraine , and before Russia advances to Deniper , then these forces become a target . No such territorial allowances to be made to other nations , with no historic claim to Ukraine , particularly the western multinationals illegal buying of land . Russian gains near kharkiv , in areas predominantly Ukrainian , and advancing to Deniper , offers the only solution that has any chance of success , in terms of building a viable country . If Deniper is reached , but Odessa is not , still Russia can blockade Ukraine , if it continues with the war , or attempts to drive out Russian speakers . Russia can also punish Ukraine , by turning off the tap , opening the Dams on Deniper , denying agriculture to them .

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    Post  Airbornewolf Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:51 pm

    touched up by AI upscale and frame interpolation in case you wanted to see it again.

    RF airforce strikes Ukrainian helicopters and support in Kharkov

    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/RF-airforce-strikes-ukrainian-helicopters-and-support-in-Kharkov:7

    I have had some new AI video software to work with, check out the footage below  thumbsup

    Footage of the RF assault on Rabotino
    https://odysee.com/@airbornewolf:8/Footage-of-the-RF-assault-on-Rabotino:0

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    Post  lancelot Thu Mar 14, 2024 12:03 am

    Hole wrote:
    Bet on Lancet or izd. 305 
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    I doubt it's the Lancet. The missiles seem to lack the characteristic large wings in the Lancet. The claim is also that this was done with air launched missiles.

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    Post  d_taddei2 Thu Mar 14, 2024 1:08 am

    Belarus is flexing its muscles carrying out exercises near Ukrainian border. Although I don't see Belarus getting actively involved. Their forces I believe are simply there to create a threat to any Polish deployment into western Ukraine. Although Belarus will still want to protect it's border with Poland as the last think it needs is any CIA backed uprising or NATO back sabotage groups on its soil, although Belarus seems to run a tight ship when it comes to internal security matters. And although so-called experts we for a while spouting Poland could invade Belarus which won't happen firstly as it's backed up by Russia, and secondly very recently they are believed to have nuclear weapons mounted on a squadron of Su-24 stationed on its soil as a deterrent.

    Although I do believe as the progresses if Kiev doesn't comply especially if a d when Russian forces come knocking on the capital Kiev we might see some involvement from Belarusian forces being deployed as a cut off force from Kiev to western Ukraine, but until then I can't see them getting deployed on Ukrainian soil. Although it would be nice to see some Polonez rockets fly towards nazi scum.

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    Post  thegopnik Thu Mar 14, 2024 2:10 am

    https://breakingdefense.com/2024/03/aukus-army-chiefs-lessons-from-ukraine-explosion-in-autonomy-value-of-long-range-fires/?amp=1
    CANBERRA — While some facets of age-old conflict have carried on into modern war, the head of the British army said that with the fight in Ukraine, the military world is witnessing what could almost be described as a “Cambrian explosion of autonomous systems” and the stunning proliferation of countermeasures used against them in real-time.

    It is an “extraordinarily progressive and an almost revolutionary change in some of the character of war,” Gen. Patrick Sanders, chief of the General Staff, told an audience at a CSIS event Tuesday. “Now, not all of them are working effectively. Up to 80 percent of the drones during one period recently, simply were not getting through because of an extraordinarily contested electromagnetic spectrum and effective Russian use of electronic warfare.”

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    Post  Big_Gazza Thu Mar 14, 2024 3:30 am

    lancelot wrote:I doubt it's the Lancet. The missiles seem to lack the characteristic large wings in the Lancet. The claim is also that this was done with air launched missiles.

    Missile looks to be too fast, lancets have noticeably lower airspeed. Also blast is too large for a lancet. There was more than 1-3kgs of HE in that detonation.

    Still bloody good though! Twisted Evil

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:03 am

    Agree with everything you said in your post Alamo (No 718)

    You need industry.
    A working industry, with workforce. Skilled people. Used for hard job. Mines. Smelters. Wallmills.
    Yes, those "village fools" and "rednecks" who used to work their arses hard back in the 90s.
    Those who were rejected by a "modern civilization of future" with all the social media skills.
    But no skill how to use a fukin' hammer.

    Where is the west suppose to find that?

    The US is importing theirs... a nice new one from Germany, and possibly from China too if part B of their plan gets executed.

    The precision of Russian strikes nowadays is like something you'd see in a Hollywood movies...

    Read an article on this where one helicopter did fly away, because it was able to limp away after the initial attack, but one of the support trucks with rockets or fuel was tracked to a nearby building and destroyed and reportedly by the explosion they think rather a lot of ammo and fuel was stored in that building (ie rockets and missiles and cannon ammo and fuel).

    We don't see any visual effect but the cluster munitions most likely disrupted the helicopters' flying capabilities and then the Tornado-S rockets finished them off.

    Exactly right... one helicopter was able to limp off but the other two were grounded till they could be repaired and follow up munitions arrived before that could happen.


    What a disgusting lie by the ethnic Ukrainian Putin.

    Almost nobody in Poland wants these lands back.

    I think what he meant was that your leadership are money grabbing land grabbing bastards and always have been and that he thinks your masters want more land even if the population does not want to be saddled with all the problems that will bring. Your leaders will just see it as more tax payers and more taxable assets and land.

    Since when did any western government give a damn about the wishes or well being of its people?

    Of course that is his opinion and he could certainly be wrong... but he has had a very successful career by being right most of the time.


    Those fugs are turning human lives into grotesque.

    It is an insanely inhuman regime.

    The highest time to free Ukrainians.

    But you are ignoring how many likes they are getting on Youtube... Twisted Evil

    I doubt it's the Lancet. The missiles seem to lack the characteristic large wings in the Lancet. The claim is also that this was done with air launched missiles.

    Without the big X wings I would guess a shorter fatter white missile would probably be LMUR and my guess would be that it would allow them to fly the missile in and then decide on what targets were present and attack the most valuable target for each missile...

    It is a valuable feature for a missile.

    lancets have noticeably lower airspeed.

    And they have huge wings...

    And your comment about the explosion... 5kgs for the big lancets and 30kgs for the LMUR... I'd say it was the latter.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:26 am

    If you look at the image:

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #54 - Page 30 Screen25

    Ignore the cross hairs of the targeting drone plus sign that is almost touching the helicopter, but the white smudge above and to the left of the helicopter at about the 11 oclock position is the missile.

    I say it is LMUR but not 100% sure, but I am 100% sure it is not lancet because lancet looks like this:

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #54 - Page 30 Ka-52-10

    where the incoming lancet is circled in red... you can see what is meant by Lancets X wings standing out as an ID feature...

    In comparison this is what I think it probably is:

    Russian special military operation in Ukraine #54 - Page 30 Lmur-410

    Interestingly I can't find shots of LMUR kills as most are views via the missile itself, which is transmitted back to the launch aircraft from the missile in flight where teh weapon operator can view the IIR video feed and pick out a target for the missile to hit right up until impact... which makes it such a versatile weapon... along with its 30kg warhead and almost 15km range.

    There is a Combat Approved episode discussing the Mi-28NM that shows the LMUR missile but the missile is blurred out... I seem to recall seeing it impact the target and I think it might have been a bit faster than this missile in the video though... it s a tricky problem.

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    Post  Hole Thu Mar 14, 2024 10:35 am

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    LMUR launch.
    The other missile has bigger wings in the middle of the body.

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    Kh-MD  scratch

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:00 pm

    Kiko wrote:....According to the newspaper, Moscow proposed the following plan: Under the Istanbul treaty, Ukraine’s security was to be guaranteed by foreign powers, including the US, UK, China, France, and Russia. ....

    Jesus Christ, Ruskies were straight up about to volunteer to suck some more cocks and get fucked in the ass while smiling about it

    Russians should be thinking Johnson and Zelensky for saving them from themselves

    They just dodged historic fuckup


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    Post  Belisarius Thu Mar 14, 2024 4:25 pm

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    Destroyed Ukrainian Armed Forces infantry in the area of the settlement. Spodaryusheno, Belgorod region, 1.5 km from the state border.
    The PR campaign of Budanov-Spodaryushensky’s “mother’s pie” is getting brighter every day.
    https://t.me/lost_armour/2269

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    Post  Sprut-B Thu Mar 14, 2024 5:44 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Jesus Christ, Ruskies were straight up about to volunteer to suck some more cocks and get fucked in the ass while smiling about it

    Russians should be thinking Johnson and Zelensky for saving them from themselves

    They just dodged historic fuckup

    Apparently, Putler has a German-Fetish....
    Now he's trying to get over his one-sided affection for the West or at least that's the impression he's giving in his latest interviews...

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    The entire PR teams from Banderistan were wiped out before they could enter Russia

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    Post  Dr.Snufflebug Thu Mar 14, 2024 6:05 pm

    This is in Popivka.

    A few tanks were blown up nearby as well, couple of kilometers from the border.

    In fact, I struggle to see any evidence at all that anyone managed to even cross in any numbers, let alone establish any kind of foothold.

    Pro-Ukrainian channels have for the past day resorted to posting outright fakes, recycled footage from years ago, and various shoddily made Tik Tok videos with increasingly delusional statements.

    All parroted by western media without any critical examination whatsoever, of course. What a freaking joke.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Mar 14, 2024 7:48 pm

    It is not a joke bro.
    It is an inhuman regime carrying out all the tasks asked by the curators.
    Without a single second of reflection how many of their own soldiers will die.
    To make a freaky TikTok Shocked Shocked

    This thing is insane.

    In the Polish army, an officer responsible would face court marshall.

    ... at least formally, because as you know it's a different thing.

    Edit : this is a piece for a grotesque part.

    https://t.me/c/1638135777/28218

    Pay attention to the guy on a bicycle in the background.

    ... this all shit would have been funny, if not the 700k killed.

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