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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Fri Oct 04, 2024 3:50 pm

    More newly published footage of Iran missile strike on Israel during operation true promise 2 on October 1st

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    Post  Isos Fri Oct 04, 2024 4:30 pm

    35 hits on Nevatim and much less on otger target as this one is the main target. So any were intercepted.

    Even then they emptied their stock of Arrow missiles.

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    Post  Sujoy Fri Oct 04, 2024 6:21 pm

    Arrow wrote:Yes, Israeli AD was supported by the US ABM system, the question is whether the SM 3s intercepted anything? The number of production 12 pieces per year is hard to believe Laughing
    SM-6 and not SM-3 is used for intercepting ballistic missiles.
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    Post  Arrow Fri Oct 04, 2024 6:25 pm

    Apparently it's SM 3.
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    Post  Sujoy Fri Oct 04, 2024 6:31 pm

    Arrow wrote:The problem is that you can still saturate and overwhelm ABM systems. In addition, there are warheads that maneuver like HGVs or maneuvering hypersonic missiles, where it is very difficult to predict the flight trajectory and calculate the interception point. Modern SLBMs and ICBMs have dozens of decoys that are very difficult to distinguish from real RVs, in addition, some are designed so that they accompany MIRVs even in the atmosphere
    This is why the A-235 exists.

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    Post  Isos Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:53 pm

    A-235 doesn't help in case of a major attack... most likely it will take down the first missiles so that Putin can take cover and launch its own missiles. Or it can be used against lonely attacks by some dumb countries.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:06 pm

    Just a relative size reminder. Might even be the same as Ukraine/Russia Laughing 

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:15 pm

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Oct 05, 2024 12:07 am

    📝| READ: Israel’s inability to defend itself next time.

    Israel's Arrow-2 & Arrow-3 interceptor missiles are too expensive so they don’t have much stock. The cost of these interceptors, particularly the more advanced one, Arrow-3, is priced around $50 million each, meaning that their use may be strategically limited due to both expense and production capacity constraints.

    Comparing it with US’ response in Iran’s Oct 1st missile attack, according to their claim, they launched 12 interceptors, presumably SM-3 missiles. They cost around $30 million each. This alone means they fired an entire year’s worth of production, with a total expenditure of approximately $400 million.

    Given that Arrow-3 interceptors are more expensive than SM-3, with this limitation it could explain why israeli officials are very concerned and why Netanyahu wasn’t too happy after Iran’s attack.

    Iran was too friendly in its attack, they only launched 200 missiles, including many Emad missiles that are part of its old stock. The israeli officials know they can’t defend themselves in the face of even a twofold attack next time. That is why the great Satan does not support israel’s possible attack on oil facilities.

    They simply can’t defend themselves. They couldn’t during operation True Promise-2, let alone a True Promise-3.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Oct 05, 2024 12:09 am

    🎥| New footage shows Iranian Kheybarshekan missiles fly towards their targets while Israeli Air Defenses fail to intercept them, so self-destruction mechanism is activated & Iranian RVs continue on their way.

    Depressed flight trajectory, high speed & maneuverability at hypersonic speeds are the key advantages of the new Khebarshekan RV to pass through Israeli defense layers.

    This was a terrible defeat for Israelis which is more painful than the damage on their bases from a technical point of view.

    (Via Neutrino (https://x.com/eternalphysics/status/1842287867340431658?s=46&t=P1DQrEyGxQ0X-IFfq7mhEw) on X)


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    Post  Hannibal Barca Sat Oct 05, 2024 1:14 am

    I believe that there is not gonna be a serious attack on Iran. Either something minor that they will use their propaganda machine to call super major or some terrorist action. The latter is what clearly are inclined to do, hit with impunity and try dark operations. American style army with even less chivalry, just thugs.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Oct 05, 2024 2:42 am


    I am less guilty , when it comes to ( thinking about ) calibrating Iranian response to Israeli attacks , over the years . Iran lacks a consistent or coherent approach in response to these attacks . I think partly because of the domination of Iranian politics by liberal elements . And partly because decisions are made by the few , at the top . Mostly there were no responses by Iran , and one instance of an appropriate response and one instance of an over-the-top reaction , the latest incident .

    This latest incident , is like opening pandora's box . Many things are possible , and it is too late by Iran , to manage the escalation ladder . A ladder that Iran will climb less easily than they . Since Iran can not rebuild as easily , it is less wealthy and it does not have nukes either , a symptom of it's devastated political system . Saddam also destroyed oil infrastructure . But it was rebuilt quickly .

    The only way Iran can stop this damage to itself , is by using a land army to advance and occupy Israel and building and showing a nuclear deterrence . They can not match Iran in this regard . A long distance conventional missile or air war , will not be won by Iran and is unsatisfactory . They will prevail in this type of war .



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    Post  Sujoy Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:26 am

    EA wrote:Comparing it with US’ response in Iran’s Oct 1st missile attack, according to their claim, they launched 12 interceptors, presumably SM-3 missiles. They cost around $30 million each. This alone means they fired an entire year’s worth of production, with a total expenditure of approximately $400 million
    On what basis did they decide which Iranian missile will be engaged by US Navy and which ones will be engaged by Israel?

    Given that hundreds of Iranian missiles reached Israel it shows that SM-3, SM-6 could barely intercept any missile.
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    Post  Kiko Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:37 am

    Return of the boomerang: the United States faced a terrible choice, by Pëtr Akopov for RiaNovosti. 10.05.2024.

    The US is confident that it can control the degree of escalation of conflicts (both ongoing and potential) anywhere in the world: in Ukraine, the Middle East, around Taiwan. Somewhere to play for an escalation, somewhere to drag it out - everything is ultimately regulated by Washington, even when this requires building very complex combinations. To regulate does not necessarily mean to win: you can ultimately remain with your own or even suffer certain losses. To regulate means to have the ability to determine the course and speed of events, and this is the most important sign of a superpower trying to maintain the status of a world hegemon.

    That is why Kiev is not receiving permission to strike Russia with long-range weapons – now the US is forced to take into account Vladimir Putin’s warning that this will lead to an escalation of the conflict between the West and Russia. America absolutely does not need this at the moment – ​​and given Ukraine’s dependence on the US, Kiev cannot afford to disobey the order from Washington.

    However, the situation in the Middle East is quite different: the United States has been unable to influence Israel for a year now , which, after the start of the operation in Gaza, has placed its bets on escalating the conflict throughout the Middle East and drawing the United States into it. Of course, Israel is not Ukraine and not even an ordinary part of the American global project. In essence, it is a client of the supranational world elites, which also govern the United States. But this does not change the fact that America is the base and main force of these elites - and it is on its power and influence that the entire Anglo-Saxon globalization project is based. Therefore, no matter how highly Israel's interests are valued, the American ones are undoubtedly higher - because if the influence of the United States in the world falls critically, then Israel will have no future. Without American help, Ukraine, as the West admits, will last a couple of weeks, but Israel will not last long either.

    Therefore, there can be no "tail wagging the dog" here: "America above all", not based on the ideas of American isolationists about the need to concentrate on solving growing internal problems and contradictions, but simply taking into account the importance of maintaining its position as a world hegemon. And if Israel digs in, forgetting about the fundamental interests of the globalists, it, in theory, should have been put in its place - especially at such a critical moment for the United States as the presidential elections coming up in a month. Increasing the fire that has been raging in the Middle East for a year is absolutely not in the interests of the American establishment, because it undermines the already shaky position of the Biden-Harris administration. The discontent of various parts of the traditional supporters of the Democrats - from young people to Muslims - increases Trump's chances of winning. And this is categorically unacceptable for the globalist elite. And none of Netanyahu's ambitions and plans play a role here - the stakes are incomparable.

    But what do we see now? Israel is stubbornly pushing the escalation button — ignoring advice from Washington. Of course, Netanyahu has ignored them for the past year, actively playing on the contradictions in the American elite (where both parties must demonstrate their support for Israel), but recently it may seem that he has completely let go. After the assassination of the leader of the Palestinian Hamas in Tehran in July, Israel did not wait for a response from Iran — and moved on to a new stage of provocations. The terrorist attack with pagers, the murder of the leader of Hezbollah and the beginning of a ground invasion of Lebanon — all this is a game with a big fire, which will be the direct involvement of Iran in the conflict, after which Israel hopes to drag the United States into the war. Has Netanyahu achieved his goals? No — because even Iran's attack on Israel on October 1 does not give America a pretext to begin an operation against Tehran. Without this, all Israeli terrorist attacks, bombings and genocide do not give Netanyahu anything - Israel itself is not able to change the Middle Eastern reality and its position. America does not want to get involved - and then Israel begins to blackmail it.

    Here is what former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett wrote after the Iranian strikes : "Israel has the greatest opportunity in 50 years to change the face of the Middle East. Iran's leadership, which used to play chess well, made a terrible mistake tonight. We must act now to destroy Iran's nuclear program, its central energy facilities, and fatally cripple this terrorist regime."

    This is not just the opinion of the former prime minister - on the eve of the strikes, Netanyahu addressed the Iranian people, in which he combined threats with an denunciation of the "anti-people" Iranian regime and a warning that "Iran will become free much sooner than people think." That is, Israel is betting that strikes on Iran will lead to internal unrest and the fall of the ayatollahs, and it is clear that, according to its calculations, these strikes will be carried out not so much by the Israeli army as by the American army.

    This crazy scenario of attacking Iran has been hatched in Washington and Israel for two decades now - and Netanyahu himself has repeatedly stated (including from the UN rostrum ) that Iran is only months away from acquiring nuclear weapons. And so, he says, a preemptive strike must be launched - to prevent the "terrorist regime" from acquiring an atomic bomb. Therefore, when Bennett now openly calls for a strike on Iranian nuclear facilities, this must be taken extremely seriously.

    Israel itself will not want to strike at underground facilities - and it is useless: its aircraft and missiles will not be able to destroy the bunkers. And America is not ready to participate in this - and even Biden has already spoken out on this matter. But the very fact that this topic is being seriously discussed and promoted by the Israeli leadership indicates its intention to escalate the conflict as much as possible. Okay, they tell the Americans, we will not strike at nuclear facilities - but let's strike at the Iranian oil industry, destroy the port through which exports are made? The Americans are against this too, because this will not only lead to higher prices (completely unnecessary for the administration), but could also force Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz , that is, cause the collapse of the energy market.

    Israel's last option is to strike Iranian missile control centres. However, this too would require American participation, and this is the option Netanyahu now seems to be trying to push. But if the US were to take part in a strike on Iran, it would become a direct aggressor and give Iran a free hand to attack American bases and naval forces in the region. It is clear that the last thing Harris needs now is casualties among the American military - they would simply guarantee Trump's re-election.

    That is, Israel has found itself in a dead end: the war in Lebanon, as in Gaza, does not lead to any victory - no matter how many civilians and fighters of Hamas and Hezbollah it kills, no matter how many of their leaders it destroys, it will achieve nothing. Nor can it drag Iran into the war - to destroy it with the hands of the Americans.

    But the US has also found itself in a stalemate: it can no longer control the escalation, and Netanyahu does not listen to them, realizing that America will still support Israel. The fact that supporting outrages and provocations, as well as the inability to bring the parties to an agreement, will cost America very dearly (even if we take into account only influence and reputation in the Islamic world), does not bother Netanyahu. Not because he has written off the US, but because America itself has created a situation in which it can no longer control the development of events.

    In Ukraine this still works, but in Israel it no longer works. For now the US has the strength not to give in to obvious provocations, but what will happen when an open struggle for power begins in Washington itself?

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    Post  starman Sat Oct 05, 2024 8:05 am

    nomadski wrote:
    The only way Iran can stop this damage to itself , is by using a land army to advance and occupy Israel...

    I'm afraid this vastly overestimates Iranian capabilities. They have a long way to go before they can stand up to the zionist AF and army, which are so much better equipped.

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:14 am

    'The myth of America is over': US, Israel reportedly downplay level of destruction by Iran

    At least two dozen long-range Iranian ballistic missiles (https://t.me/geopolitics_live/34067) were able to break through both Israeli and other Western air defenses on Tuesday night, the Washington Post reported. The missiles struck or landed near at least three military and intelligence installations, a review of videos and photos of the attack (https://t.me/geopolitics_live/34059) and its aftermath showed.

    💬 “It's clear Israel was hit hard. The Iron Dome was not so secure (https://t.me/geopolitics_live/34243) that Iran made a point and will probably be forced to make further points, I would imagine, because Israel is hell-bent on escalation. It wants to drag other parties into this abyss with it,” Phil Kelly, a political commentator and socialist activist based in Belfast told Sputnik’s Political Misfits.

    Using commercial satellite imagery, researchers have identified more than 30 points where Iranian missiles (https://t.me/geopolitics_live/34054) may have impacted an air base in southern Israel, a report from NHPR (New Hampshire and NPR) revealed. The images showed damaged hangars, buildings, taxiways and a crater on one of the runways at Nevatim Airbase, the report writes.

    💬 “The myth of America, I think, is over. It was struggling long before it went all in on genocide Joe's watch to push Europe into World War III and to facilitate [Israeli Prime Minister] Benjamin Netanyahu in the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. But the rest of the world sees the US for what it is, and that is why you're seeing real concrete moves in the global side to disengage,” he added.


    👉 Follow the link for more details (https://sputnikglobe.com/20241005/the-myth-of-america-is-over-us-israel-reportedly-downplay-level-of-destruction-by-iran-1120418436.html)

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:32 am

    starman wrote:
    nomadski wrote:
    The only way Iran can stop this damage to itself , is by using a land army to advance and occupy Israel...

    I'm afraid this vastly overestimates Iranian capabilities. They have a long way to go before they can stand up to the zionist AF and army, which are so much better equipped.


    If you are referring to an Israeli attack on Iran using the Zionist air force, it is very difficult. For their planes to arrive they would need to be refueled in flight, apart from the fact that they would not be able to carry much weaponry and it would become more complicated the more aircraft were used.
    To all this, we must add where they would arrive, since I do not see the Arab countries allowing them to use their airspace. Then there is the fact that over Iran they will have to face the air defense and their planes, when they go to their targets and when they return to their bases.
    Now, if we try to analyze the Israeli air force on its own territory, we see that for a year now, they have not been able to defeat the Palestinians in Gaza, beyond overwhelming superiority. The same thing happened with Lebanon in 2006 and is happening now.
    The air force alone cannot ensure victory. Wars continue to be defined by the use of infantry.

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    Post  starman Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:19 am

    Eugenio Argentina wrote:
    If you are referring to an Israeli attack on Iran using the Zionist air force,

    I was replying to nomadski's suggestion that Iran use its army to occupy Israel. Hard to imagine that being possible now, in part because of Israel's air superiority, at least over its own territory, and adjacent areas.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Oct 05, 2024 12:36 pm


    Distance from Kermanshah to Tel Aviv covered by ground vehicles in twelve hours . Use of GPS guided weapons against mobile force not possible . Aircraft targeting by flying over advancing columns hardly effective : ( 1 ) All airfield in Zionaziland and Cyprus out of action . ( 2 ) Iranian fighters provide cover for half of the way . ( 3 ) Mobile air defence used for the last leg to Israel borders . Once troops cross border into towns and city , story over . Twenty million volunteers ready . Need only a fraction of this force . Perfectly possible , within Iran capability . Only need nukes to ensure , they do not use their nukes , until they are occupied . Occupation better than death !

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Oct 05, 2024 1:04 pm

    Get to know the most powerful anti-ballistic system of the Zionist regime, of course, failed and powerless against Iranian ballistic missiles!!!

    During Operation True Promise-2, Iranian missiles managed to pass through multiple layers of American and Israeli air defenses, not by saturating Israeli systems, but by technical and technological superiority.

    Hitting the targets at a range of 1400 km with an error of less than 5 meters, without the need for a satellite or GPS, is a great achievement!

    The Zionists and the Americans are in shock. All Israeli terrorist centers are available in less than 10 minutes with the highest accuracy. "True Promise-3" will be spectacular!


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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:01 pm

    🇮🇷/🇮🇱 WATCH: New video shows two Iranian ballistic missiles, launched from two different bases in Iran, hitting the exact same target in the sea in front of Tel Aviv

    Some observers say the missiles struck a gas platform. Other say, it is simply a demonstration of ability; two ballistic missiles, launched from bases hundreds of kilometers apart, impact at the same exact location at sea, with pinpoint accuracy. The message: Iran can hit wherever it wants.



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    To the; Iran "showed no mercy" did "no demonstration of capability" crew:

    - Two missiles
    - Launched from two different launchers at two different locations
    - Hit the sea before Tel-Aviv, where the gas platforms are
    - With 'pin-point' accuracy
    - Both equipped with gliders which impact-point could equally be the coast of Tel-Aviv
    (therefore not missiles just ignored by 🇮🇱 missile defenses)

    ➡ The same was done with the Mossad HQ

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    Those who want to believe, believe

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    Post  Isos Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:44 pm

    It seems like Israel will target Iran tonight and they might go for the nuclear sites.

    Considering they are deep in the ground they would need at least those bunker buster bombs to try to hit them which wouldn't even succeed.

    Most interesting is the fact that those aren't gliding bombs or long range missiles. They would need to go in Iranian airspace and face Iranian air defence and very likely S-300 and Tor.

    IMO Iran needs to move its AD vehicles quite often to not be easy targets for missiles with pre register coordinates.

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    Post  nomadski Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:56 pm



    Heard rumours Iran took out some Israeli nuke weapons in recent strikes . Doubt it . But a UAV flying , could detect gamma from nuclear core of missile . Data transmitted immediately . ATGW taken out before loading on plane . Ballistic missile , once exposed , should give out same signature , if nuke armed . Space based instruments may pick up also . Does Russia have any ? Better taken out before launch .

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    Post  Eugenio Argentina Sat Oct 05, 2024 11:37 pm

    ⚡🇮🇷WATCH: Exclusive NEW footage showing Iranian ballistic missiles being launched on October 1st, on their way to hit israel.

    Mazel tov!

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    Post  ahmedfire Sun Oct 06, 2024 5:35 am

    The izraeli targeting the area between Syria ,Palestine and Jordan could be an initial operation to secure the area so that the air force can work there to target Iran .

    Russia should provide Iran with more advanced AD & electronic warfare and intelligence .

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