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Re: Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

GarryB Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:14 pm

JASSM missiles launched from the F 16 may be a problem in the future. A 300 km buffer zone would require a very large offensive. Given current tactics, this is out of the question.

When the Orcs run out of men in a few months time or they rise up and have their own coup earlier, the Russians wont have to fight anyone to move in and occupy and keep the peace while referendums and elections are organised.

A Bradley vs BTR82 in a realy close combat encounter near Sokol.

When I saw the video description I expected the worst... because you would... the armour protection difference alone suggests they can take each other out but the advantage should be with the better US optics and armour...

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JohninMK Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:05 pm

Bit more on this

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Russia claims it destroyed 3 Ukrainian kamikaze UAVs over North Ossetia, Russia. The distance is about 1,000 kilometers from Ukraine. This is a first. The target was an airbase in Mozdok.

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kvs Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:55 pm

Putin needs to hammer on these attacks as a justification for full regime change in Ukraine. No partitions. Roll the f*ckers up to the Polish border.
Of course, further attrition of the Ukrian army is needed but we are entering the final stage where there is not enough training of the conscripted
meat and the logistics are degraded.

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sepheronx Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:16 pm

Hmm, I would say the Russians should up the anty and place heavy EW equipment along near contact lines so that whatever is in Ukrainian territory is subjugated to extreme EW interference that their electronics don't work.

That would more or less stop these drone attacks as they are very hard to detect since they can be launched from anywhere and stored anywhere.

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nomadski Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:25 pm

Attacking at longer ranges ? This means Russia may have pulled back planes to save them from missile strikes . And drones need more fuel to get there . They need bigger vehicles and these can no longer be so easily hidden . If there was a mountain range and airfield was behind this , then drone has to pass over and gain altitude . Becomes more visible on Radar . Soon enough , nobody left or wanting to join the Orcs army . Russia advancing steadily .

Edit : passenger planes can quickly ( more quickly than bringing to life frozen lifeless airframe , no longer with parts production ) be turned into refuelling Tankers , enabling strike aircraft to operate from distant or spread out locations . Iranians , I think did this !

Cool

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Isos Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:29 pm

sepheronx wrote:Hmm, I would say the Russians should up the anty and place heavy EW equipment along near contact lines so that whatever is in Ukrainian territory is subjugated to extreme EW interference that their electronics don't work.

That would more or less stop these drone attacks as they are very hard to detect since they can be launched from anywhere and stored anywhere.

Jamming would affect their own drones. They either have to store their fighter further away in the Urals or move the front line.

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sepheronx Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:21 pm

Constantly moving further back isn't an option, leaves nothing in the areas to defend.

So instead, they need to move forward

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Hole Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:38 pm

This is a first.

Because they are looking for an unprotected (or at least very weak protected) target.
The regimes in Kijüf and Washington are likely pressing the Japanese to let some Banderite fly a few
drones from japanese territory towards Sakhalin or so.

should up the anty and place heavy EW equipment along near contact lines

You cant just barrage jamming a nearly 1.500km long frontline 24/7.
That would give the enemy enough time to find a way to block at least
some of the jamming for single drones or other weapons.

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sepheronx Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:35 pm

Hole wrote:

This is a first.

Because they are looking for an unprotected (or at least very weak protected) target.
The regimes in Kijüf and Washington are likely pressing the Japanese to let some Banderite fly a few
drones from japanese territory towards Sakhalin or so.

should up the anty and place heavy EW equipment along near contact lines

You cant just barrage jamming a nearly 1.500km long frontline 24/7.
That would give the enemy enough time to find a way to block at least
some of the jamming for single drones or other weapons.

You are correct. So I guess next option is to send out drones of your own on a mission to check for signals and where drone operators are working from.

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JohninMK Sun Jun 09, 2024 12:56 am

Interesting move.

GEROMAN -- time will tell - --@GeromanAT

Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation has issued an affidavit for arrest of Yulia Tymoshenko.

Minister of the Interior of the Russian Federation said he issued a warrant for the former Prime Minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko. "Yulia Vladimirovna Tymoshenko, born on November 27, 1960, was required according to a member of the Criminal Code," was published in the Ministry of Interior of Russia, but the criminal offense was not listed. (now just watch how "West" will react to that...)

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JohninMK Sun Jun 09, 2024 1:02 am

Effective artillery

https://x.com/i/status/1799497095730098526

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GunshipDemocracy Sun Jun 09, 2024 1:27 am

JohninMK wrote:Effective artillery

nice looking shockwave. I just wonder what the guys who were laughing at the French César are going to say now. scratch

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ucmvulcan Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:39 am

So now that the Ru AF has decommunized Ukraine (Lenin said Soviet power equals communism plus electrification of the whole country), what is the next step? It seems bridges and rail infrastructure are now up for desovietization.

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mnztr Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:54 am

JohninMK wrote:Effective artillery

Is this really a wheeled Koalitsiya? The listed range seems rather low in comparison. Maybe with std ammo vs the microwave ignited rounds.

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Odin of Ossetia Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:25 am

Big_Gazza wrote:

ALAMO wrote:
Just one example, how the propaganda looked like back in the XIXc :

Yeah, its propaganda, but they got the Balkans 100% right

Why is Catalonia chasing a rabbit? Rolling Eyes

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mnztr Sun Jun 09, 2024 4:46 am

I was just thinking, Russia could turn the Swiss summit into Swiss Cheese and no risk of article 5..... Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57 - Page 34 1f60b

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ucmvulcan Sun Jun 09, 2024 5:36 am

mnztr wrote:I was just thinking, Russia could turn the Swiss summit into Swiss Cheese and no risk of article 5.....

Nah, Zelensky is a clown. He may be the best asset the Russians have in Ukraine. Overrules his generals who advise him to fight a defensive war. He wastes high end NATO weapons on terror attacks against Russian civilian targets, his antidemocratic practices are probably beginning to rub his people the wrong way, and he keeps sending the most ardent banderites to Uncle Adolf and Grandpa Stepan via Russian weaponry. Plus, he bleeds EU and US treasuries. There's a reason Putin hasn't bothered ordering him to be taken out, and that reason is as I have said he's a clown.

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Big_Gazza Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:12 am

kvs wrote:Stalin's biggest mistake was returning the western Ukraine back to the Soviet republic. He should have left it under Poland and let the Poles sort out all the genocidal Bandera-swine.

Agree with your post except this last statement.

I think he should have openly declared Western Ukraine as being fascist and proceeded to thoroughly de-Nazify it just as they were doing in Soviet-controlled East Germany. Treat them identically, do it openly, and only declare "brotherhood" with West Ukraine once the process was complete and they had proven themselves loyal. If East Germany could be converted from fascist enemy to most loyal Communist ally then I see no reason why Banderite-infected Catholic Polish Western "Ukraine" could not have been similarly dealt with. Similar situation with post-war Chechnya. Passification and conversion is better than ceding it to Poland. Give Warsaw NOTHING.

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flamming_python Sun Jun 09, 2024 6:26 am

sepheronx wrote:Hmm, I would say the Russians should up the anty and place heavy EW equipment along near contact lines so that whatever is in Ukrainian territory is subjugated to extreme EW interference that their electronics don't work.

That would more or less stop these drone attacks as they are very hard to detect since they can be launched from anywhere and stored anywhere.

They should already have been doing that

Isos wrote:Jamming would affect their own drones. They either have to store their fighter further away in the Urals or move the front line.

As for their own drones, they can always drop jamming in a certain location for a certain length of time

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Tsavo Lion Sun Jun 09, 2024 7:34 am

Big_Gazza wrote:Agree with your post except this last statement.
I think he should have openly declared Western Ukraine as being fascist and proceeded to thoroughly de-Nazify it just as they were doing in Soviet-controlled East Germany.

Stalin wouldn't be himself if he didn't do it! More Soviet soldiers, around 40K, were kiled there than in Afghanistan.
It was N. Khruchev who in 1956 amnestied many Ukr. nationalists & allowed them to return home.

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GarryB Sun Jun 09, 2024 8:39 am

You cant just barrage jamming a nearly 1.500km long frontline 24/7.
That would give the enemy enough time to find a way to block at least
some of the jamming for single drones or other weapons.

Not to mention a few old SA-2 and SA-1 rockets if they have them with simple seekers to detect the source of the jamming signal... and destroy it.

Effective artillery

The video about the Malva said that the target coordinates can be programmed into the system while on the move so when it arrives it can drop stabilisers and aim and fire very quickly and it is designed to operate with drone support to monitor the target and show the results of fire for fire adjustment and follow up shots... and then it moves... all very quick.

Is this really a wheeled Koalitsiya? The listed range seems rather low in comparison. Maybe with std ammo vs the microwave ignited rounds.

No. This is not for long range strikes, this is for operating around the immediate rear of your own troops and is intended to operate in an environment with friendly and enemy drones present. It is intended to stop and fire and then move a lot. It is designed to operate on its own rather than in a battery of 6 vehicles all lined up wheel hub to wheel hub.

It is designed to be cheap to buy and cheap to operate and mobile on roads.

WWII conversation moved to here.

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Stealthflanker Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:43 am

mnztr wrote:

Is this really a wheeled Koalitsiya? The listed range seems rather low in comparison. Maybe with std ammo vs the microwave ignited rounds.

No. It's using the same gun as MSTA-S.

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Hole Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:49 am

send out drones of your own on a mission to check for signals and where drone operators are working from.

Russian forces are doing this for months.
There are plenty of videos of hunting down enemy drone operators.
Difficult to do against longer range drones because of the size of the area you need to scan.

were laughing at the French César

Still a overpriced system. Capricious and difficult to keep operational.

Is this really a wheeled Koalitsiya?

Malva is a replacement for some of the towed artillery guns.
Her job is fire support of BTG´s as close to the frontline as possible.

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Arrow Sun Jun 09, 2024 9:52 am

Unfortunately, UAVs are still a big problem for any AD defense.
Damaged or lost Su-57.

https://x.com/TobiAyodele/status/1799701831201046579

Even light shelters would at least protect against UAVs. Akhtubinsk airfield in the Astrakhan region, located 589 kms from the front line.

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PhSt Sun Jun 09, 2024 11:48 am

Unfortunately, UAVs are still a big problem for any AD defense.
Damaged or lost Su-57.

Cool photo editing Cool

Don't forget to mention the UAV's were piloted by Ukraine's finest pilot, the "Ghost of Khuyiv" Laughing

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