Russian special military operation in Ukraine #57

Big_Gazza wrote:
I think he should have openly declared Western Ukraine as being fascist and proceeded to thoroughly de-Nazify it just as they were doing in Soviet-controlled East Germany.  Treat them identically, do it openly, and only declare "brotherhood" with West Ukraine once the process was complete and they had proven themselves loyal.  If East Germany could be converted from fascist enemy to most loyal Communist ally then I see no reason why Banderite-infected Catholic Polish Western "Ukraine" could not have been similarly dealt with.  Similar situation with post-war Chechnya. Passification and conversion is better than ceding it to Poland.  Give Warsaw NOTHING.

But unlike Ukrians, Germans are generally more sane and rational people.   Western Ukrians needed special love from their Polish victims.   The post-WWII eastern Europe saw nazi
swine get away with murder in the name of some BS commie slogan.   Tito let the Albanian squatters stay in Kosovo while preventing the return of Serb refugees, thus being
the prime factor in the demographic distortion of the province.   Similarly, western Ukr nazi swine were not given the proper cleaning treatment they earned.   A lot of them did
escape to the west but there were plenty who stayed behind.   Stalin was not there after 1953 when the western trained and supported Ukr insurgents were still active.   I do
not think it is an accident that maggot Khruschev emptied the gulags in 1956 and gave away Crimea illegally to his "homeland".    The gulags should have been operating full tilt
for the Ukr nazi swine.   The gulags only served as political prisoner camps, by far for ethnic Russians, and not as criminal camps.  (The BBC had some revisionist BS a few years
ago which tried to claim that the gulags were full of non-Russians).

Arrow wrote:Unfortunately, UAVs are still a big problem for any AD defense.
Damaged or lost Su-57.

A bit more on this incident

The enemy claims the first defeat of the Su-57 fighter in the Astrakhan region. GUR of Ukraine claims that this happened on June 8, 2024 at the Akhtubinsk airfield. Enemy military propaganda provides satellite images of the aircraft parking at the airfield.  

“The photographs show that on June 7 the Su-57 was standing intact, and already on the 8th, explosion craters and characteristic spots of fire appeared near it as a result of fire damage,” the statement says. The picture shows a trace probably from the arrival not far from the plane. 

How damaged he himself is is not visible on satellite images.


A number of Russian resources write that for the price of this one fighter, all military airfields could be equipped with concrete shelters for aircraft. Su-57 is the most modern fighter in service with the Russian Aerospace Forces. - RVvoenkor
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The downside of the slow pace of the SMO is that NATzO gets to have ample time to make stupid propaganda stunts like the recent post about 100 Su-57's getting destroyed by 1 UAV. Of course one blurred sat image is enough "Evidence" for NATzO propagandists to present this piece as truth.

Russia needs to increase the pressure and destroy more targets that will make NATzO's operations in Ukraine ten folds more difficult. Destroy more food storage and water supply facilities, destroy more power stations, make the situation difficult to the point where the ration of food will either be for troops or civilians, with this kind of shortage the starving population will revolt and the total breakdown of Ukrainian society is inevitable. Then Russia can end their misery by killing them all.

PhSt wrote:The downside of the slow pace of the SMO is that NATzO gets to have ample time to make stupid propaganda stunts like the recent post about 100 Su-57's getting destroyed by 1 UAV. Of course one blurred sat image is enough "Evidence" for NATzO propagandists to present this piece as truth.

That is a downside but it has to be weighted against the upsides.

Russia needs to increase the pressure and destroy more targets that will make NATzO's operations in Ukraine ten folds more difficult. Destroy more food storage and water supply facilities, destroy more power stations, make the situation difficult to the point where the ration of food will either be for troops or civilians, with this kind of shortage the starving population will revolt and the total breakdown of Ukrainian society is inevitable. Then Russia can end their misery by killing them all.

The take it slow, attrition approach has been undeniably effective at grinding down the Ukr army and saving Russian lives.  This is enough to offset any of the negatives that
are pointed to.   I would say it is the best approach.   There is no evidence that NATzO is being given time to organize some effective counter-move.   NATzO can't even
ramp up artillery shell production.   Have you heard of any boosting of NATzO military capacity in terms of men and even equipment?   I haven't.  

The current NATzO trash talk about military action against Russia does not make any sense from a conventional war point of view.   NATzO would need to prepare for such
a war and not just yammer about it.   That leaves a nuclear attack as their only option.   So, are they prepared to martyr themselves to save the Kiev regime?   Somehow
I doubt it.

For every 1 airfield in Russia that is supposedly "hit" by NATO drones, 10x that number of Ukrainian airbase are hit not just by Russian drones but by ballistic and cruise missiles.

However, The NATO strikes in Russia seem to have more Propaganda points, even though 9/10 it misses its target, because of these CHEAP and Edited Sat photos

Previously I suggested that Russia launch more sats with optical imaging so they can capture a "before" and "after" photos of targets in Ukraine, cause apparently, even though targets are destroyed by Russian strikes, if it wasn't captured in sat photos, it didn't happened, or NATO can just deny such strikes happened. This is BS. Russia needs to KILL more NATO troops and officers in Ukraine.

As for drone / Su-57 - shit happens but I hope now generals make the right decision regarding bunkers. Check fighter bomber posts for example.



Did you hear about ratio of FPV drones between Russians and orcs? Kotenow TG claims in some places 20:1 for orcs. Even is 1:1 this means problems for Russian assault teams and contact line logistics. So far the only way is to kill orcs fpv operator teams AFAIK.

GarryB wrote:

JASSM missiles launched from the F 16 may be a problem in the future. A 300 km buffer zone would require a very large offensive. Given current tactics, this is out of the question.

When the Orcs run out of men in a few months time or they rise up and have their own coup earlier, the Russians wont have to fight anyone to move in and occupy and keep the peace while referendums and elections are organised.

unlikely, men alone is enough for 2 years , then women . I would not count on that.

ALAMO wrote:... and while our Dumb&Deumber Global Contest team is sucking the 404 propaganda, here is the latest from Turkish Anadolu agency that visited ukro training process.

How is denazification going?

They are 30s-40s but happily married

GEROMAN -- time will tell - @GeromanAT

 For the first time, Ukrainian Forces deployed their 101st General Staff Protection Brigade to the frontline, this time, near Volchansk. This signifies a significant lack of reserve forces along the Kharkov frontline. (60% of the Ukrainian General staff has been sent to the front lines to replace offices losses)

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By the way, the 101st Protection Brigade of the General Staff is an elite unit which reports directly to the Commander-in-Chief. It is the only AFU unit which does not belong to any military branch. Being sent to Volchansk indicates that all combat-ready reserves are heavily attrited or already in use on the frontline. 

De-militarisation continues...

If people are wondering or care:
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/112748


Essentially, in the photo you can see shadows of what looks like some kind of cage around the jet.

As for damage, looks exactly same as before hit photo and any kind of damage is on concrete.

So it may have received light shrapnel damage. Nothing of concern since it can be repaired if this is what it is.

But in light of this, Russia really, really needs to start building more advanced shelters foe the jets.

sepheronx wrote:If people are wondering or care:
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/112748


Essentially, in the photo you can see shadows of what looks like some kind of cage around the jet.

As for damage, looks exactly same as before hit photo and any kind of damage is on concrete.

So it may have received light shrapnel damage. Nothing of concern since it can be repaired if this is what it is.

But in light of this, Russia really, really needs to start building more advanced shelters foe the jets.

I admit, I know little to nothing about satellite imagery but why does the bird look like its under the runway? it looks almost like a photoshop

Not under runway but under coverage of some kind of shelter. It looks like a cage to protect from direct hits from drones. Russia was building these temporary shelters for quite some time since this war. But all a temporary measure. They need to build actual shelters.

sepheronx wrote:If people are wondering or care:
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/112748


Essentially, in the photo you can see shadows of what looks like some kind of cage around the jet.

As for damage, looks exactly same as before hit photo and any kind of damage is on concrete.

So it may have received light shrapnel damage. Nothing of concern since it can be repaired if this is what it is.

But in light of this, Russia really, really needs to start building more advanced shelters foe the jets.

Akhtubinsk is a training base for prototypes

I wonder if it was a serial su57 or prototype

Anyway some say they fly those drones from Odessa

I doubt it , most likely they are flying those Tekever VTOL drones from inside Russia

That’s how they hit Voronezh radar, Su57 , and Mozdok recently

I recall several pages back where there were photos of the supposed modular serial-production shelters for the RF. Although it may not offer protection against cruise or ballistic strikes, and maybe some protection against drone attacks, it provides Two important features.

1) NATO won't know if there is actually an aircraft inside the shelters from space Spy sats
2) If in case there is an aircraft inside and the shelter gets hit, Russia can just say its empty, this erodes NATO propaganda narratives.

Arkanghelsk wrote:
I doubt it , most likely they are flying those Tekever VTOL drones from inside Russia

That’s how they hit Voronezh radar, Su57 , and Mozdok recently

Maybe but, propeller powered light drones do have such range.  With availability of precise navigation system like GPS and that fancy Digital terrain contour map, now common in airliners, you can turn simple drone into cruise missile.

You can actually calculate that yourself using Daniel P Raymer's paper on endurance-range



We know that Portugal Tekever drone have 16 hours endurance, reverting that equation will yield you 1300 Km/702 Nautical miles of range for cruise speed of 50 Knots or 90 km/h. It will take long but for sure it will get there.

It can realistically be launched from contact line.

most likely they are flying those Tekever VTOL drones from inside Russia

If so then what's taking so long for those rats to get mutilated? Cut off their limbs first, take away their eyesight, cut off their tongue, inject them with HIV, Hepatitis, Ebola, and Rabies virus, find their relatives, coerce them to KILL no less than 10 NATO soldiers or else something horrible will happen to their son or daughter. There is no other choice. Such is the way of war.