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    Post  franco Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:35 pm

    Russian MoD reports 11,140 casualties for the the Ukrainian forces for the past 7 days.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:11 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Bruh......10x10k (assuming the Russians aren't lying about their kia because you can fanboy all you want but hard to say if they are or aren't).   Regardless that would be 100k a month and that's frankly BS if the Russians where killing that many men every month Ukraine would have run out of men by now, hell even the 50k a month is pure BS.

    Not that I doubt they could get such numbers but the way they are operating right now and the fact they roughly the same amount of men if not less which is more realistic means they do not have the capacity for that

    Learn math man


    I love how people here buy such obvious BS simply because someone in Russia says it.

    lol seems everyone in this forum needs to learn math

    5 to 1

    500k irretrievable Ukrainian losses

    100k Russian irretrievable losses

    For Russia that’s 85k + 23k LDNR = 107k

    If you add sanitary losses, minor injuries you get the US figure of 325k Russian losses (makes sense as Russia has helicopters to evacuate wounded and superior medicine to Ukraine )

    So Russia fits the 1 to 3 traditional KIA to WIA figures , 10k a month , 3k irretrievably lost, 7k sanitary losses

    If you add sanitary losses to 500k irretrievable losses for Ukraine , with a 50/50 loss rate due to lack of helicopters and battlefield medicine

    You have 1 million Ukrainian losses (Ukraine loses 1 to 1 KIA to WIA)

    Let’s do further math

    18-25 year old generation was born at a rate of 100k-150k per year from 1999-2006

    That’s 7 years x 150k = 1,050,000 available men for mobilization

    Let’s say half of those ran to Europe

    That leaves an available draft pool of 525k on the high end

    On the lower end 700k (100k x 7) = 700k / 2 = 350k

    Russia is removing 50k Ukrops per month , half of those are irretrievable

    12 months x 30k = 360k

    24 months x 30k = 720k

    33 months x 30k = 990k or 1 million

    So we have 1-2.5 years before Ukraine completely runs out of manpower depending on how you view not only Ukraines demography but also mobilizable draft pool

    Putin gave us all a very simple message, this will be over by Q2-Q4 2025

    Simply because Ukraine will be out of men

    Simplicius did a similar job and much more detailed

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/putin-gives-first-official-idea-of?utm_medium=web&publication_id=1351274&triedRedirect=true

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:17 pm

    [quote="Mir"
    These are all socialist brothers from the past - and yes it is paying off for Russia. However the real issue is Europe and the US. Not too many of those (from the west) made the trip to the USSR to get a proper education. In fact they were indoctrinated with fear and hatred for the red danger that will come and rape their woman. It is embedded in their minds that Putin is an evil communist ready to take away their TV channels.

    [/quote]

    But it is nothing new, and Russia deals with that sort of actions for it's entire history.

    Just one example, how the propaganda looked like back in the XIXc :

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    This sort of things were used to stereotyping every opponent, but Russia - no matter the form - always "enjoyed" specially warm attention.
    This thing is ridiculous to anyone who knows the history because for most of the time, Russia's role was positive.
    Protectorates they have established preserved lot's of small nations.
    Greece and Bulgaria enjoyed freedom thanks to Russia.
    Before the 1st Partition of Poland, it was no other than Catherina the Great who struggled to retain Polish sovereignty, which was already at risk from Prussia.
    Of course, undereducated idiots in Poland see that other way, but who cares about idiots?

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jun 08, 2024 12:17 am

    Actually the Ukrainian casualty calculation is in part a huge reason why the west is panicking over Ukraine and trying to throw the board

    What Russia needs to do is to provide those countries with grievances close to the US and Europe

    So Latin America and Africa with resources like food and the ability to process their own energy and resources so they can begin to recover from years of isolation and sanctions that have harmed the well being of the population at large

    Also educate them as Russia does with its new universities in Africa

    And raise these people up

    Ofc the US won’t like that and will say the leaders of those countries are not democratically elected and elections are false and fraudulent

    And they will attempt to use the same methods as they use in Ukraine, Libya, Georgia, Gaza to restrict their development

    What Russia needs to do is to provide these countries with the means to help themselves economically and socially

    But also militarily to have the means to inflict unacceptable damage to US proxies and the US itself

    Same goes for Africa with regard to Europe, and Surovikin and Wagner do a good job of that , decolonizing Africa and New Caledonia of French imperialism

    And now in Latin America , El Salvador, Nicaragua, Cuba, and apparently Mexico will all need that

    Bukele, Ortega, Sheinbaum, Diaz Canel can form the basis of the axis of resistance

    Turn the Gulf of Mexico into a global sea instead of an internal one

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 08, 2024 12:18 am

    “None of the ships carry nuclear weapons, so their stay in our country does not pose a threat to the region,”
    But they could.

    Last year's docking of a US nuclear submarine at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base ruffled feathers in Havana, with the Cuban government calling it a "provocative escalation."
    Maybe because Guantanamo is illegaly occupied.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:25 am

    There are no plans for mobilization in Russia, there is no need - Putin.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:29 am

    Present tense

    Plans can appear, the need can arise
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 08, 2024 3:44 am

    Not him personally but a skilled team on his behalf Smile



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    Remember the "destroyed" submarine Rostov? Putin resurrected it and today it left the dock in Sevastopol after complete resurrection.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:06 am

    Russias needs to build a large and simple ship with nuclear power. This ship will carry a few hundred nuclear tipped Tsirkons and a significant number of antiship and SAMs. This ship will be parked in international waters of the coast of Virginia the equal distance from any US nukes to Moscow. It will be visible and clear. Able to take out DC in a few minutes.
    they already have the Adm. Nakhimov CGN armed with "nuclear tipped Tsirkons and a significant number of antiship and SAMs", & its sister ship will undergo refit. But, Russia also doesn't even need to deploy Tu-22M/160Ms to Cuba, Nicaragua or Venezuela: the IL-38s (btw, they r more costly than the converted An-26s to operate in the Black Sea) & Tu-142s has a secondary strategic role & can carry LR Ash/LACMs to keep both US coasts under ICR & subject to S/HS strikes with only minutes of warning.

    Arkanghelsk wrote:Same goes for Africa with regard to Europe, and Surovikin and Wagner do a good job of that, decolonizing Africa and New Caledonia of French imperialism.
    IMO France should just sell/lease New Caledonia to Australia or USA to make up for her lost submarine deal. Portugal, Germany & Spain lost all their colonies in Asia-Pacific & now it's France's turn.


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    Post  mnztr Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:10 am

    flamming_python wrote:Present tense

    Plans can appear, the need can arise

    Of course they can, that is why Russia has upgraded and automated its mobilization system.

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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:28 am

    JohninMK wrote:Not him personally but a skilled team on his behalf Smile
    Remember the "destroyed" submarine Rostov? Putin resurrected it and today it left the dock in Sevastopol after complete resurrection.

    Now this is a news.
    When Russkie called to get it back to business in 6 months, I was skeptical.
    This boat looked physically gutted.
    If they really brought it back in a timeline, this means that the boat is harder than I have ever expected and they operate a repair shipyard much more competent than I would assume considering Crimea.
    Call me shocked.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:46 am

    It left under own power?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:51 am

    That sub is Now In New Hiding Place In Sevastopol: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2024/06/russian-submarine-hit-by-missiles-now-in-new-hiding-place-in-sevastopol/
    It could be possible to cut the damaged section out & put a new section in- like when AIP section was added to Swedish SSK: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2020/05/a19-submarine-hswms-gotland-back-in-swedish-navy-service-following-upgrade/  But even if it's a total write off, most of its gear & parts r sulvagable.

    The promised Mirage 2000-5s may turn into a mirage in Ukraine, as their impact won't be felt much, if at all!
    https://www.ng.ru/news/794855.html?print=Y

    https://regnum.ru/opinion/3894046?utm_campaign=regnum&utm_term=top_opinion


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    Post  ALAMO Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:48 am

    Ch-101 had a cluster warhead from the very beginning.
    They have just started to use the version, as the target variety changed.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:17 am

    Other statements by the President at the plenary session of the SPIEF-2024:


    More than 300,000 people came to the military recruitment offices and signed a contract last year, and this year, over 160,000 have already done so;  

    We see what the Russian character is, and we rely on it, and we don't need any nuclear weapons;  

    We have the right to respond in kind to the supply of weapons to Ukraine that strike Russia;  

    The military decisions of the Russian authorities are based on the analysis of the situation, and there are no "hesitations and cannot be any";  

    The idea of introducing a rigid state ideology in Russia contradicts the Сonstitution;  


    The unifying idea for Russia is patriotism.  


    Join the live stream in English at http://t.me/ukraine_watch

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    Post  mnztr Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:16 pm

    Does the lease for gitmo include the water part? cuba should lease the northern section of Gitmo to Russia and Russia should build an airbase there and start sailiing subs into the northern bay

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:25 pm

    IMO France should just sell/lease New Caledonia to Australia or USA to make up for her lost submarine deal.

    I don't think New Caledonia would appreciate being sold at auction like a slave and I would expect any new owner will have problems proving ownership.

    The USSR didn't go to war with the Germans over the west, they did it because the Germans attacked them.

    Very true... and when people here say if it wasn't for America we in New Zealand would be speaking Japanese, I reply that the US didn't get involved till they were attacked at Pearl Harbour and when Hitler declared war on the US in solidarity with Japan.

    Frankly put Stalin did not care one bit, that France was attacked etc, so don't sit there and act like they went "oh no the Germans attacked people we have to do a no le sacrifice and help them"

    Stalin communicated with Britain and Poland about a defence pact but they both hated the Soviet Union more than they hated Germany so he was fobbed off.

    It was a common enemy nothing more

    Just like lend lease was capitalism. Pure and simple.

    Does the lease for gitmo include the water part? cuba should lease the northern section of Gitmo to Russia and Russia should build an airbase there and start sailiing subs into the northern bay

    I think they should do a detailed meteorological report of the wind direction around the the US military base and then upwind in regard to the prevailing wind, they should build a massive rubbish dump and put the most repulsive rubbish there from all over the island and perhaps also other countries in the region and stink them out.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Jun 08, 2024 1:44 pm

    I don't think New Caledonia would appreciate being sold at auction like a slave and I would expect any new owner will have problems proving ownership.
    I'm sure many Kanaks will hope to get a better deal from the non-French; if they stay as the French Overseas Department, i.e. de-facto colony, their identity will be diluted & lost eventualy.

    https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-f-16-bottlenecks-1909652
    By the end of 2025, with the US elections over, the war may be lost or stopped anyway.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 08, 2024 2:41 pm


    CNN says that Ukraine electricity no worky

    Must be serious if CNN is talking about it

    Any details?





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    Post  Arrow Sat Jun 08, 2024 6:54 pm

    By the time Russia finishes moving the border 300km West the "Ukrainians" will be armed with 3000km missiles. wrote:

    JASSM missiles launched from the F 16 may be a problem in the future. A 300 km buffer zone would require a very large offensive. Given current tactics, this is out of the question.

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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:04 pm

    So when do expect F-16's to enter into actual combat?
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:32 pm

    Mir wrote:So when do expect F-16's to enter into actual combat?

    About 5-10 minutes before they hit the deck with a wing blown off and riddled with frag, burning from radome to rudder...  Razz


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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:34 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    Just one example, how the propaganda looked like back in the XIXc :

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    Yeah, its propaganda, but they got the Balkans 100% right Razz
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    Post  Mir Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:49 pm

    A Bradley vs BTR82 in a realy close combat encounter near Sokol. Both fired at each other and some of the infantry on top of the BTR got hit, but in the end the BTR82 was able to maneuver into a better position and nailed the Bradley. Some 404's managed to ran away from the stricken Bradley. Apparently the abandoned Bradley was destroyed by artillery fire shortly after the incident. Good to know that the BTR was able to survive 25mm hits.

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