Georgia's possible rapprochement with Russia.

There's no way in hell they believe enshrining anti-LGBTQ laws in the books will lead to them and the US/EU having better relations in the future.

Depends what you mean by better.

Currently the US states and dictates and their colonies do as they are told...

Georgian Dream also stated that a constitutional majority would allow it to “quickly and effectively reset relations with the United States and the European Union and thereby firmly protect Georgia’s interests in the international arena.”

They want a reset.... they want to change the relationship from colonial master and slave colony to a more peer relationship between countries that don't dictate to each other... they are saying they need a constitutional majority to be able to say with confidence that the Georgian people support us and we are an independent state that can make our own decisions and if you try to put pressure on us to conform to what you want then we wont oblige.

They'll find out eventually that there's no middle road with NATO, you're either their vassal or their enemy.

I very much agree there... the US isn't nice to those who leave the fold... but with BRICS I think they are going to have to learn not to cut countries off because that just hand them to BRICS where they will probably grow and develop far more than they would in a toxic relationship with colonial powers like the west who are self absorbed narcissists.

If they keep cutting countries off that don't follow orders they will end up on their own, and that isolation would destroy them... eventually they might work that out... whether it is too late or not... well that wont be Georgias problem.

(I would add that if you are getting ready for a fight you really don't want your side to be full of yes men who just do as they are told... that is great for cannon fodder, but most of the time cannon fodder is not actually that much use if you want to win.)

Georgian Dream began its election campaign with a promise to hold a “Nuremberg Trial” for Saakashvili, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 08.21.2024.

The leaders of the ruling Georgian Dream party opened their campaign for the October 26 parliamentary elections in the city of Mtskheta near Tbilisi on August 21, promising a “Nuremberg Trial” for the former ruling party, Saakashvili’s United National Movement, a Vzglyad correspondent reports in Tbilisi.

The party's honorary chairman, Bidzina Ivanishvili, said that Georgian Dream would need a constitutional majority – 113 out of 150 seats – for a "legal process to convict and ban the United National Movement" for a multitude of crimes against the country and the people, including Georgia's involvement in the 2008 war.

According to him, the radical opposition still wants “war and chaos” for Georgia.

“That is why we need a ‘Nuremberg Trial’ for ‘rootless anti-national politicians’,” said Bidzina Ivanishvili.

He also noted that a constitutional majority is important for banning LGBT propaganda (the LGBT movement is recognized as extremist and banned in Russia) at the level of the Basic Law.

In addition, according to the honorary chairman of the party, “the situation in the region is changing dynamically, and at any time the question of restoring the territorial integrity of Georgia may arise, which may require changes to the constitution to change the form of government and structure of the country.”

He and other Georgian leaders called the upcoming elections a "referendum between peace and war" and called on voters to "defend statehood, sovereignty and Christian values."

https://vz.ru/news/2024/8/21/1283211.html

Georgia’s ruling party pledges to outlaw opposition, 08.22.2024.

The government of the former Soviet republic has accused its rivals over the 2008 war with Russia.

Georgia’s ruling party Georgian Dream has vowed to outlaw the main opposition party, the United National Movement (UNM), if it wins a constitutional majority in the upcoming October parliamentary elections.

Georgian Dream holds the UNM responsible for the outbreak of the country's conflict with Russia in August 2008, and has accused it of attempts to “open a second front” against Moscow in the ongoing Ukraine conflict.

In a statement on the party’s official Facebook page on Tuesday, Georgian Dream said it aims to ensure “long-term sustainable peace and security” in the country and outlined four key reasons why it needed to achieve a constitutional majority in order to do so.

These include “qualitatively improving the political system,” curbing the spread of LGBT propaganda and protecting family values, upholding the country’s territorial integrity, and safekeeping Georgia’s identity.

The party argues it will be impossible to improve the country’s political system without completely banning the UNM, which was founded by former Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili. Upon obtaining a constitutional majority, the party said it would initiate a legal process to label the opposition movement and all its satellites or successor parties as “unconstitutional.”

The UNM has also been accused of continuing to act on the orders of “strong external patrons,” which Georgian Dream says have been responsible for coordinating campaigns against the country over the past two years.

Last week, the ruling party also issued a statement directly blaming Saakashvili for being responsible for the 2008 Russia-Georgia conflict and acting on instructions from external forces.

The five-day war erupted on the night of August 8, 2008, when US-backed Saakashvili sent troops into Georgia’s breakaway region of South Ossetia, shelling a base used by Russian peacekeepers who had been in the republic since the 1990s.

Then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev ordered a “peace enforcement” operation in response, which led to the defeat of Tbilisi’s forces. On August 26, Moscow recognized the independence of South Ossetia and another breakaway region, Abkhazia.

“Based on the numerous crimes committed by the National Movement against the Georgian state and the Georgian people, we cannot allow it to continue to perform external tasks and cause permanent damage to the state,” Georgian Dream wrote, adding that the removal of the opposition from the political system must be shown as the decision of “the greatest, constitutional majority of the Georgian people.”

https://www.rt.com/russia/602942-georgia-opposition-party-ban/

The Americans will claim this is all undemocratic... ignoring their attempts to get Trump impeached and also convicted of all sort of BS when he left office to try to stop him running for president this time around.

Of course now they have played such games it will be interesting to see who gets arrested if Trump wins the election.

Georgian authorities have allowed the emergence of a one-party parliament in the country, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 08.23.2024.

The trial of Saakashvili's United National Movement could result in members of that party being stripped of their parliamentary mandates, Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said. He rejected possible criticism from the West if a one-party parliament were to emerge in Georgia, a Vzglyad correspondent reports in Tbilisi.

“The ban on the United National Movement is very important for Georgia to continue its course towards European integration, since it was this party that created artificial barriers on this path, directly campaigning against the country being granted the status of a candidate for the European Union,” he said.

According to him, “if the UNM is banned, the logical next step would be to annul its parliamentary mandates.”

In this regard, Irakli Kobakhidze noted that “the Moldovan parliament is practically a one-party parliament, but everyone welcomes it.”

“The standards must be the same for all candidate countries – Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine,” said the prime minister, commenting on possible criticism from the West if a one-party parliament were to emerge in Georgia.

The head of the Cabinet said that “criminals – members of a criminal political force cannot enjoy the status of a member of the Georgian parliament.”

Earlier, the ruling Georgian Dream promised to ban the United National Movement by court order if it received a constitutional majority in the parliamentary elections on October 26 – and this is 113 mandates out of 150.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/8/23/1283483.html

Although the current Georgian leadership is showing signs of desiring to be Neutral when it comes to its relations with Russia and NATO, there are still many elements in Georgia that remain hostile to Russia, the current detente is welcome while Russia is busy with Kicking NATO out of Ukraine and seizing the entire Ukraine as it is Russia's rightful territory, But, Russia will need to formulate a long term plan to Seize the entire South Caucasus gap that stretches from northern Georgia to southern Armenia/Azerbaijan




Control of this region will enable Russia to complete CUT NATO access to Asia via Central Asia, and make it more difficult/ costly for NATO to trade since they will be forced to take the longer trade route via the Suez Canal, where the Russians can arm the Houthis to KABOOM NATO merchant and military vessels.

Have to disagree, it is not the right nor the responsibility of the Russian Federation to rescue these people from their own governments.

I haven't changed my point of view about Ukraine either... if Kiev had not shelled and bombed and burned its own people to death and had followed the Minsk agreements and rolled back some of its more extreme new laws like banning a language and culture and also trying to ban a religion, then the Ukraine would have a much larger population now and would not have lost any territory except the Crimea, which you could argue was never Ukrainian in the first place.

American companies would own most of the rich black soil and be making good money selling cheap food in Europe undermining European farmers... when their farms were not longer cost effective perhaps the American companies might make them an offer to buy them out of their debt to their banks... or just wait for them to come up for auction.

The 12 trillion the US talked about in resources was Lithium and of course Xenon and other important resources along with the various mines and that ignores their engine and aircraft factories, and their ammo and armour production capacity... there was plenty there for the west to steal, but they wanted the big prize and they still do.

They don't want to break up Ukraine when they could be breaking up Russia... but they will break up the Ukraine and Armenia and Georgia and Belarus if they get the chance to try to damage Russia and rattle her into making a mistake.

Except all the mistakes so far have been made by the west... At the time I thought the Russian invasion of the Ukraine was a mistake, but evidence that Kiev was going to attack its separatist regions on the 8th of March 2022 means the Russian attack on the 22nd Feb 2022 was probably their best option at the time.

Even right up until the invasion of Ukraine the people in the four regions of Ukraine didn't want to join the RF, they just wanted to speak Russian and trade with Russia... it was probably hearing about the deal Russia was putting together with Kiev in Istanbul that they realised Kiev has not changed and their future choices of Kiev or Moscow were pretty clear who they could trust and who offers a much better future for them and their children... and so they had a referendum and decided to join the Russian Federation.

After Kiev ripped up the Istanbul agreement Russia decided to accept these four regions and the deal was done so by Russian law the Istanbul agreement was dead. Putin cannot legally give up the four regions to Kiev because they are now Russian Federation territory.

Everything Kiev has done has been bad for the Ukrainian people but has also had the full support and backing and encouragement from the EU and US and UK.

The people of Georgia and Armenia need to understand that to follow orders of western states can and likely will include throwing your own country and your own people under the bus just in the vague deluded hope it might damage Russia, and so far it has made Russia stronger and more independent and also more sure that BRICS is the future rather than some fantasy about cooperation and trade with the west... which the west has now crapped all over.

You would think a new woke west would be all about free and open and fair trade and not just for coffee, where cooperation and support is given to help other countries improve and get better without demanding they conform to this political structure or that religion, or even this or that language.

The rest of the world knows what is going on but the propaganda is strong from the west in many places including economic and political structures and academic structures too. In entertainment they are also rather dominant.

The US is preparing a "color revolution" in Georgia, the SVR said, 08.26.2024.

SVR: US unhappy with situation in Georgia and preparing "color revolution".

MOSCOW, August 26 — RIA Novosti. The US is preparing a "color revolution" in Georgia, the SVR press bureau reported.

"The Americans are preparing a "color revolution" in Georgia. The press bureau of the Foreign Intelligence Service of the Russian Federation reports that, according to incoming information, the White House is extremely dissatisfied with the development of the situation in Georgia on the eve of the parliamentary elections on October 26," the special service noted.

For this purpose, Georgian pro-Western NGOs are recruiting many volunteers to closely monitor the voting process. They are tasked with identifying and recording "inevitable facts" of the authorities' use of administrative resources, the SVR reported.

According to the agency, the "Tbilisi Maidan" plans to publish "evidence of falsifications" during the voting, announce non-recognition of the election results and demand a change of power. Law enforcement officers will be provoked to suppress the protests by force.

"At the same time, the Americans are working out in advance options for a "merciless" political and economic response to the "excessive" use of force by the authorities against "peaceful citizens," the SVR said.

As the special service pointed out, the ruling party "Georgian Dream" is capable of gaining convincing support from the population in the elections on October 26, since the opposition, despite the efforts of the Americans, remains fragmented, and the coalitions created by various forces are very fragile. This, as the US fears, will untie the hands of the ruling party "to continue the sovereign course and refuse to fulfill the demands of the West, which contradict the national interests of Georgia."

"The White House considers such a scenario unacceptable. The Americans intend to significantly increase pressure on the Georgian authorities in the weeks remaining before the elections in order to weaken the electoral positions of the Georgian Dream as much as possible," the SVR clarified.

In June, Georgian Prime Minister Irakli Kobakhidze said that members of former President Mikheil Saakashvili's United National Movement party were seeking to ensure that the country follows the Ukrainian scenario . He had also previously noted that if this political force were in power, the country would be drawn into the current conflict, since "they want to open a 'second front' against Russia."

Ahead of the parliamentary elections to be held in Georgia on October 26, the United National Movement party has created a new political alliance with the Strategy Aghmashenebeli party and other politicians called Unity for the Salvation of Georgia.

https://ria.ru/20240826/svr-1968435403.html

Zurabishvili called parliamentary elections in Georgia a referendum for Europe or Russia, by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 08.27.2024.

Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili signed a decree on Tuesday to hold parliamentary elections in the country on October 26 and made an appeal to voters, making an unkind reference to Russia, a Vzglyad correspondent in Tbilisi reports.

"We will have a choice between Russian slavery and cooperation with Europe. A choice between unworthy compromises with Russia and concessions at the expense of selling the soul and becoming an equal country in Europe," Zurabishvili said.

According to her, the Georgian government "intimidates voters with laws and arrests, but the government will not be able to withstand the people's victory if the public is mobilized and votes are protected." She called the ruling Georgian Dream's statements that elections between "peace and war" are coming "a lie."

"These elections will be a referendum - Europe or Russia. We will have to choose between freedom and slavery, dictatorship and democracy, one-party or multi-party," the politician added.

According to her, “the time is coming to save the country.”

https://vz.ru/news/2024/8/27/1284190.html

Wow, they have western propaganda learned well... reverse reality and blame the opposition for your crimes.

It was western pressure to stop Georgia imposing a law that would reveal outside interference in their country... a law based on an American law, but called a Russian law because the Russians more recently introduced their own weakened version of that law to demonise it.

If the Georgian people are so stupid as to think they were ever Russian slaves to Putin then they deserve to join the west and to go down with that ship... let them send all their weapons and money to Kiev... let them send more mercenaries than they already have and see how that makes the US respect and like Georgia and the EU love them so much they will let them join HATO and the EU all at once.

If Russia really does cut them off completely then the west will not rush to save them.

The US isn't sending cheap gas energy to the EU to help them out, they are sending expensive liquified gas to make money in Europe, but if the price is higher in Asia those ships will sail past Europe and head for the bigger pockets... let Europe freeze....

These are your allies you are talking about.

There was a story that when everyone was leaving Afghanistan the Georgian and Ukrainians got flights out on Russian aircraft... not sure if that is true, but hardly the sort of thing an enemy that hates you would do.

Possibly they will ruin Georgia for the short term, in that case Russia should cut them off completely.

I don't know. There are a lot of anti-russian protests, but probably also the American stooges fear the results of the elections.

Many of those that do not care about Russia or the west and want only the best for their country do not participate in those protests and are only noticed when they vote during elections.

Furthermore both sides,
ivanishvili's georgian dream which, while not being pro russian (and being also quite corrupt) wants to keep trade and cooperation with both Russia and the west

and the opposition (to which the president Zurabischvili belongs to) which wants only to damage Russia, no matter the cost for Georgia,

are known for having used illegal tactics to get votes from workers belonging to some companies or paid money in exchange for votes (with the voter needing to get a photo of their vote in order to get money or favours).

Georgian dream is not a good party, but at least is not trying to push in a direction that will cause grave consequences for Georgia.

Furthermore it would be silly to rely to much on EU and US, since both of them are in their decaying phase.

I believe Zurabischvili, unless she returns In her native Gaul (France) as soon as possible, will end up in jail until her death.

Another front in the war against Russia has been identified, by Dmitry Bavyrin for RiaNovosti. 08.28.2024.

The colour of the first colour revolution is bulldozer. In other words, the first colour revolution in history is usually considered to be the events of 2000 in Belgrade, when Slobodan Milosevic fell. But this is a controversial point of view.

Milosevic's fall predetermined the West's intervention not in the elections, but in the war for Kosovo . Having lost the war, the Yugoslav authorities could no longer win the elections. There was nothing unique in the subsequent events either for the world or for Europe , where velvet revolutions had swept through the socialist part not long before, or even for Yugoslavia, which had similarly exploded in protest rallies in 1996-1997, only then Milosevic stood firm.

Strictly speaking, the difference between a simple revolution, which often took place and is taking place with foreign aid, and a colour revolution as a political technology event of modern times, is not academically defined. If desired, one can also declare the events of October 1917 in Russia a colour revolution , since the Bolsheviks definitely had a colour - red. The bulldozers that replaced tanks for the Serbs in 2000 had no specific colour.

A rose is, of course, not a colour, but a flower, but the "rose revolution" in Georgia in 2003 claims to be the first coloured one with good reason. It was then that the methodology and template were more or less formed - mass protests under the pretext of election fraud, inspired by Western NGOs with the goal of changing the country's foreign policy course.

More than twenty years later, a new colour revolution is expected in Tbilisi . This is according to the data of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, which, according to its director Sergei Naryshkin , was made public in order to prevent this revolution. But it is not even about the specific data: the SVR testimony gives additional weight to the completely consensus view of what awaits Georgia after October 26, when the next parliamentary elections are held there.

The West has made it clear that it wants a change of power and does not trust the current one - the Georgian Dream party, which has always proclaimed spiritual and political kinship with the same West and a course towards joining the European Union. In these times, oaths of allegiance and toasts to the health of globalism (Georgians are acknowledged masters in all of this) are no longer enough. It is necessary to be useful in the main thing - in the military confrontation with Russia, and Georgia, taught by its own bitter experience, skillfully avoids this.

Moldova of Maia Sandu , for example, does not avoid. There is nothing to say about Ukraine of Volodymyr Zelensky : there they are ready to sacrifice themselves for the sake of confronting Moscow . That is why Ukraine is officially considered a promising democracy in Brussels , although it is an ordinary dictatorship of the Latin American type - without elections, freedoms, prospects and its own money (all borrowed).

The moral underpinnings of a regime have never been a decisive factor for Brussels to take it under its wing. One could be a complete mafioso, like the former leader of Montenegro Milo Djukanovic , a corrupt official who steals train cars, like the former Prime Minister of Moldova Vlad Filat , or even a militant involved in ethnic cleansing and organ trafficking, like the Albanian warlord and later President of Kosovo Hashim Thaci.

But now the current standards of the European Union are especially easy to compare with the real ones. Georgia is a much more stable, developed, successful and democratic state than Ukraine. However, negotiations with it on joining the EU have been interrupted, because the current EU standard is to be a Russophobe and a kamikaze, nothing less.

There are many Russophobes in Georgia, and the concept of kamikaze is similar to a Georgian surname, but under the "Georgian Dream" the scheme does not work . They do not like Russia there, but they are not so much enemies of themselves and their country that they would burn in the flames of the second cold war.

That is why the European Union told the Georgians directly: either we or your authorities. If the Georgians elect their authorities in October, the situation can be replayed on the "Maidan" (in Georgian, this is on Rustaveli Avenue) by the forces of the national-liberal coalition "Unity for the Salvation of Georgia", where the tone is set by supporters of former President Mikheil Saakashvili . They are ready to do a lot to overthrow the "Georgian Dream", a colour revolution is the minimum.

Russia is interested in the most - the West's true goal in changing power in Georgia, because this, apparently, is a war.

The Ukrainian project, as NATO saw it , is collapsing: the Ukrainian Armed Forces are critically close to the collapse of the main front in Donbass , where the Russian army has already occupied New York (a logical outcome, by the way, of Joe Biden's presidency ) and is approaching the strategically important Pokrovsk (according to the toponymy of the DPR and Russia - Novgorodskoye and Krasnoarmeysk , respectively).

By attacking the Kursk region , the Ukrainian Armed Forces were pursuing the goal of drawing Russian forces away from Donbass and slowing down their advance there, but opening a new front did not help. So another one is vitally needed, for example in Abkhazia and/or South Ossetia . This is precisely why the West needs the transfer of power to "Unity for Salvation" (read - self-destruction), and not to repeal the Georgian analogue of the law on foreign agents, as they are trying to present in Brussels.

"These elections will be a referendum - Europe or Russia, freedom or slavery, dictatorship or democracy," says Georgian President Salome Zurabishvili , "their man" in Tbilisi. For her, Georgia is a second homeland (the first is France ), which can be sacrificed, but many other Georgians do not have a second homeland. Therefore, it is worth choosing wisely, because the choice will have to be made (here Zurabishvili is not telling the whole story) first of all between peace and war. Between life and death.

Arguments like "Russia can't handle another front" are a kind of "honey trap" for Georgian revisionists. So far, Russia has been able to handle everything that has been thrown at it, but whether the West, as the main sponsor of the conflict, can handle a new front is less clear. Because it can't handle Ukraine either. Georgia's involvement in the war is needed not for victory, but to postpone defeat in the hope that a new war will provoke a new mobilization in Russia, followed by a colour revolution or any other kind.

The plan is, of course, delusional, but there is no other, so "you will have a squirrel, and a whistle" - and a revolution, and a war, and other manifestations of the West's extremely cruel and cynical policy towards its Eastern European "partners". Russia will continue to follow its own path, but in Georgia's place it is better to prepare for the worst.

https://ria.ru/20240828/voyna-1968888732.html

Tbilisi says West crosses 'red lines', by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 08.30.2024.

The Secretary General of the ruling Georgian Dream, Tbilisi Mayor Kakha Kaladze, announced that “red lines” were being crossed in the issue of Western funding of the opposition and non-governmental organizations before the parliamentary elections on October 26, a Vzglyad correspondent reports in Tbilisi.

"Unfortunately, foreign governments are openly funding the opposition, which is gross interference in Georgia's internal affairs," he told reporters. "This will definitely be met with a response."

“Red lines have been crossed,” he noted.

Kakha Kaladze also said that he “sees no difference between opposition parties and the NGOs that support them.”

“In the modern world, we need to know what is happening in reality, which countries are specifically cooperating with the Georgian opposition and NGOs, getting involved in the election campaign,” said the mayor of Tbilisi.

According to him, “the task of the externally controlled opposition is to use Georgia to advance the interests of specific states.”

Earlier, the head of the Anti-Corruption Bureau, Razhden Kuprashvili, announced facts of non-transparent foreign financing of opposition parties in Georgia before the parliamentary elections on October 26.

“Most political parties do not fully or partially disclose their financial income; their election campaigns may be financed by foreign donors,” he said.

Razhden Kuprashvili noted that funds may go to NGOs associated with these parties.

"Such schemes for the receipt of funds from abroad pose a danger to the fair election process," he said.

The head of the Anti-Corruption Bureau reported on the opposition holding a “Democracy Festival” in Georgia with the support of the Danish Institute for Parties and Democracies and noted that “the process of collecting evidence” is underway in this regard.

He also called on international monitoring missions, including the US-based National Democratic Institute and the International Republican Institute, to "reveal information about grants."

According to him, international observers “must be neutral and objective, and the activities they finance should not be carried out in support of political parties.”

Foreign interference in elections in Georgia is prohibited by law.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/8/30/1284621.html

Step one of fixing an addiction is to recognise there is a problem...

(Also step one of avoiding being conned is to recognise the conman for their past work with other chumps....)

Ivanishvili promised to protect Georgia from pseudo-liberal values, 08.31.2024.

Georgian authorities have promised to protect the country from pseudo-liberal values.

TBILISI, August 31 - RIA Novosti. The founder and honorary chairman of the ruling Georgian Dream party, Bidzina Ivanishvili, promised to protect Georgia from pseudo-liberal values ​​and to prepare for the "unification of the country" if he receives a constitutional majority in parliament following the elections.

"The Georgian Dream needs a constitutional majority... Bringing guilty political agents to justice and improving the political system, protecting our country and society from pseudo-liberal values ​​and preparing for the unification of Georgia - all this is possible only if we obtain a constitutional majority," Ivanishvili said during a speech as part of the election campaign.
Parliamentary elections will be held in Georgia on October 26.

https://ria.ru/20240831/gruziya-1969749612.html

Have to disagree, it is not the right nor the responsibility of the Russian Federation to rescue these people from their own governments.

This only works in a perfect world.

But when there is a Malignant Cancer like NATO that metastasizes wherever it can, Russia needs to secure as much territory (land + resources + buffer) as it can to defend itself from such a malevolent entity.

Reclaiming the South Caucasus all the way to the Iranian border will deny NATO the opportunity to use this strip of land against Russia, whether it's for political, economic, or military purposes.

Plus resources in these territories will help support the expansion of Russia's own development in many areas. The local population, as I have mentioned in other threads will have to be subjected to Russification. There is no alternative to this approach.

But when there is a Malignant Cancer like NATO that metastasizes wherever it can, Russia needs to secure as much territory (land + resources + buffer) as it can to defend itself from such a malevolent entity.

If your neighbour read on youtube that polio vaccine is made from unborn babies and refuses to have his children vaccinated it is not the responsibility of his neighbours to beat him up and drag his entire family to the hospital and have them all vaccinated against their will.

If Georgia wants to give up their resoures and be militarised against Russia then Russia "invading to save them" is going to convince them they were right to trust America because Russia obviously cannot be trusted.

Georgia is not a child and the Ukraine was not a child, they can make their own decisions and there is very little you can do about it... they are not your teenage children and you can't threaten to kick them out of the house or stop their allowance if they don't do what you tell them.

From their perspective that would make you no better than the Americans... you are both saying you are trying to help from a big bad monster.

Western propaganda... Russia is weak and all powerful at the same time... they have lost their entire navy and airforce and army and are running out of tanks and vehicles and missiles and drones and ammo, and they have also murdered half a million Ukrainians and you will be next if they win...

What the world needs is a higher standard of journalism, which the west is fighting tooth and nail but I see many Indian Youtube channels becoming more bold... would love to see Chinese and Brazilian channels... there are a few channels from African countries also revealing the crimes of the west... past crimes and ongoing crimes... and this honesty is good for the world... how long before it is crushed... but as they get successful they will migrate to safer platforms and avenues and their audiences will follow them and leave the western dominated media channels which is only going to further weaken the west.

Western-funded Georgian NGO calls for 'armed disobedience', by Dmitry Alexandrov from Tbilisi for VZGLYAD. 09.02.2024.

The executive director of one of the largest Western-funded Georgian non-governmental organizations, the Center for the Study of Economic Policy, Nino Evgenidze, called for “mass disobedience to the authorities,” recalling the armed uprising in Georgia against Soviet power in 1924, a Vzglyad correspondent reports in Tbilisi.

"The most important thing is disobedience, and there are enough of us to protest. Just like a hundred years ago, when Georgians rose up with weapons against the Russian regime," she called in connection with the law "On the transparency of foreign influence," she told reporters.

“Many died then, but this is an experience and an example for us, first of all, for NGOs, in terms of resistance to the regime,” Evgenidze said.

According to her, "the difference from the events of a hundred years ago is that many in the world are standing up for us, and our fight is just and we will definitely win." Nino Evgenidze said that after this "victory" "Georgia will join the European Union and NATO."

As previously reported, Georgia's largest Western-funded NGOs have refused to comply with the requirement of the Foreign Influence Transparency Law adopted in May to register, which expires on September 2.

The Law on Transparency of Foreign Influence requires NGOs and media outlets whose budgets are more than 20 percent foreign inflows to annually publish declarations. It does not provide for criminal liability. NGOs that refuse to register will pay fines of approximately $9,000. More than 80 percent of foreign income to NGOs is not transparent and may be used for destabilization ahead of the next parliamentary elections on October 26, Georgian authorities claim.

https://vz.ru/news/2024/9/2/1285110.html

Georgia has learned to be adequate, by Timofey Bordachev, Programme Director of Valdai, for VZGLYAD. 09.02.2024.

Georgia's adequate behavior was an aberration in a context where the United States was demanding total self-sacrifice from the former Soviet Union in the conflict with Russia. But for Tbilisi, it was a pragmatic decision based on its own growing-up experience.

The already difficult relations between Georgia and the West took on new colours last week, when the head of the ruling Georgian Dream party said that in the context of the election campaign, the funding of the opposition from the US and the EU was “crossing red lines” and interfering in the internal affairs of the republic. And the head of the national Anti-Corruption Bureau added that the support of some non-governmental organisations with money from the West constitutes non-transparent funding of the opposition.

The funniest thing about these statements is that the schemes described by Georgian representatives are the most common and widely accepted way for the US to influence the political process abroad. Only in the last 30 years, no one in the countries claiming to be part of the "community of liberal democracies" has dared to speak about this openly. And Georgia is one of these countries; no one has yet cancelled the goal of joining NATO and the European Union in the republic.

Thus, the Georgian authorities take upon themselves the audacity to directly oppose the basic rule of the world order imposed on everyone by the Americans: UN law and norms apply to everyone except the United States itself. And since this is not happening in the distant Amazon, but near our neighbor, the nature of the Georgian phenomenon and its prospects cannot but arouse interest.

Currently, Georgia is not such an impressive prize for Russia's main opponents in the West to spend significant resources on it. But times are changing. And there is no need to convince yourself that in the future the US and the EU will not act more decisively. Including resorting to their main tool - the violent overthrow of undesirable political regimes. Therefore, now the main concern of Georgian politicians and the main interest of Russia is to build an effective state that controls its security agencies and is capable of solving the most important development tasks without resorting to significant external borrowing. After all, another tool of the West is the debt load of countries to the so-called international financial institutions. First of all, the World Bank and the IMF, whose political goals are determined by the US.

In the coming months and even years, Georgia and its people will have to navigate a very thorny and risky path without creating threats to the security and very existence of the republic. In order to do this successfully, they have certain advantages.

Firstly, it is a comparatively high level of civilization and the presence of a tradition of its own state. The Georgian people have had different periods of history, including being under Persian and Turkish rule. But even in those conditions, local statehood was still glimmering. In this regard, Georgia can be compared, for example, with Uzbekistan, where the self-government of the Bukhara Emirate was preserved until its defeat by the Bolsheviks in 1920. And it certainly has an advantage over the former Baltic republics or the territory of Ukraine, where there has never been a state tradition. Such a historical path allows one to accumulate experience and a certain wisdom, which can even compensate for the costs of the southern temperament.

Secondly, of all the former Soviet republics where nationalists came to power after its collapse, Georgia turned out to be the least fortunate. It lost control over two national autonomies almost immediately, and in 2008 it also got into a direct clash with Russia. The lesson that was taught then seems to have been learned so far. A few years later, the regime that unleashed the conflict fell in Tbilisi, and the Georgian Dream party, led by the pragmatic businessman Bidzina Ivanishvili, came to power. The foreign policy course began to gradually straighten out in the direction of common sense and an understanding of its place on the map. And at the same time, contradictions began to mount between Tbilisi and its Western patrons. Now their relations are at their lowest point since the appearance of independent Georgia on the world map in 1991.

The paradox is that it was precisely the behavior that was adequate to reality that became a deviation from the norm in conditions when the US demanded complete self-sacrifice from the countries of the former USSR in the conflict with Russia. But for Georgia, this turned out to be a pragmatic decision based on an understanding of its own experience.

It should be noted that Armenia and the Baltic republics were much less fortunate. In the first case, the beginning of independence was a time of foreign policy victories, which eventually led to severe disappointments. In the case of the Baltics, elite nationalism received full support from the West and flourished especially in the conditions of a hypothetical "security umbrella" within NATO. But Georgia received the experience of growing up that everyone needs. This is the most important for all countries whose history of independent development began after the collapse of the USSR.

And finally, Georgia has a relatively decent geographical position at the crossroads of trade routes between major economies. Only it can be used in different ways: at the beginning of independence, Tbilisi expected to sell its territory for a US military base for actions against Russia and Iran. Now the Georgian authorities are using geography for peaceful purposes, becoming a kind of bridge between Russia, Turkey and Europe. Evidence of this is the growing volume of German exports to Georgia. According to the latest data from the statistical services of Germany, it has tripled since February 2022 - from 30 million to 90 million euros per month - with a predominance of machinery and various equipment.

At the same time, in military-strategic terms, Georgia is quite far from the main NATO footholds in Eastern Europe, and access there is more difficult than to the Baltics or Ukraine. The Turkish authorities, for their part, are also not interested in another hotbed of tension emerging near them instead of a mediator and a direction for investments.

Using these advantages, the new Georgian authorities have seriously taken up the idea of ​​ensuring that the fate of the country is determined by themselves and the population, whose life has become visibly better in recent years. These efforts have been linked to the biggest controversy between Tbilisi and the West in recent months: the law “on transparency of foreign influence,” adopted in early June 2024, which requires organizations receiving funding from abroad to register as foreign agents. The adoption of this law was accompanied by months of protests, visits by European officials, and a condemning resolution from the European Union. And to make the final decision, parliament even had to override the presidential veto. The main thing that has become clear during this entire campaign is that the Georgian government is quite capable of controlling its own security agencies. Given what happened in Ukraine in February 2014 and the Belarusian experience of 2020, this can be considered one of the ruling party’s most serious achievements. In October of this year, parliamentary elections will be held in Georgia , in which the decisive word will be spoken by the population, and not by the street public, who associate their future with the West, and not with their own country.

In a sense, Georgia is an example of how one can not have particularly warm feelings towards Russia, but at the same time not create reasons for it to worry. It is precisely the latter that is the main thing we would like from our closest neighbors.

It is not yet clear how long such an experiment can continue and how Russia can promote predictability in our neighbors in the future. Their behavior is currently causing indignation in the West and approval in Moscow. However, we cannot rule out that the main lever of influence on official Tbilisi is Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And it is not known whether any Georgian authorities will be able to be reasonable if this lever weakens.

https://vz.ru/opinions/2024/9/2/1285086.html

"The most important thing is disobedience, and there are enough of us to protest. Just like a hundred years ago, when Georgians rose up with weapons against the Russian regime," she called in connection with the law "On the transparency of foreign influence," she told reporters.

“Many died then, but this is an experience and an example for us, first of all, for NGOs, in terms of resistance to the regime,” Evgenidze said.

According to her, "the difference from the events of a hundred years ago is that many in the world are standing up for us, and our fight is just and we will definitely win." Nino Evgenidze said that after this "victory" "Georgia will join the European Union and NATO."

So, people of Georgia, these foreign agents are refusing to follow Georgias new law that they claim is based on a Russian law, but in fact is based on an American law from before WWII to prevent foreign interference in local elections.

These NGOs are refusing to reveal how much money they get from western countries and who is giving them this money for nothing... remember these western sources of money are buying Georgian opinions... they are not solving problems like world hunger or poverty, they are trying to weaponise your country to damage Russia which they see as a political and economic and military rival and they even mention in this article that they want you to stand up against your own government so they can keep secret who is interfering in your elections and how much money is being given to these traitors to Georgia.

The end goal is to replace the west friendly government you currently have with a total puppet government that does not consider Georgian interests at all and will happily send Georgian men to their deaths if the western paymasters so demand... like they are demanding of the Ukraine.

Your reward for folding like an origami toy will be the destruction of your country when you try to open a second front against Russia after first sending all your weapons and ammo and money and men to help the Ukraine, which of course will not be enough... nothing HATO has sent so far has made any real difference, anything Georgia might send wont fix things either.

The west loves Ukraine because they are fighting and dying for HATO without HATO membership and now most of the resources Ukraine has left are owned by western companies and all the money loaned means they will spend their futures trying to pay this all off.

The only country with more debt is probably the US, but Kiev can't just print more money like America does.

Of course soon the US wont be able to just print more money either and there are no obvious solutions to help when that happens.

Promising HATO and EU membership for allowing western interference in your elections to go unnoticed sounds like they are undermining democracy.

Is that what the EU and HATO were supposed to be all about... freedom and democracy, but they are being undemocratic and trying to get you to break all the rules of democracy to get membership.

Isn't that a bit like being required to break all the 10 commandments to be able to join a Christian church?

And after they have used you this way to damage Russia can they be trusted to honour what they are promising now?

Like the promised the Soviet Union and Russia that HATO would not expand one inch to the East.... well that was true because they expanded way more than one inch...

When you bleed yourself dry in weapons and ammo and men on their little crusade against Russia, what sort of condition will you be in?

Abkhazia on its own could probably defeat you and when you add South Ossetia and Russia you don't have much chance with a second front against Russia, but Kiev never had much chance either but that didn't stop the west pushing them to attack... and commit suicide.

Remember how supportive and generous they were last time...

It is not yet clear how long such an experiment can continue and how Russia can promote predictability in our neighbors in the future. Their behavior is currently causing indignation in the West and approval in Moscow. (...) And it is not known whether any Georgian authorities will be able to be reasonable if this lever weakens.

It will be how the rational government in these countries manage to maintain their support base by addressing the realistic needs of people and keep a tight supervisions on any Western propaganda that attempt to take advantage of social issues to scheme a "color revolution".

The classic formula of color revolutions in history is that there are real, tangible economic and social issues inside the host countries and the Western foreign agents taking advantage of these issues to present themselves as "salvation". In the case of Ukraine and Gruzia, there are also issue of ethnic tensions and the Western foreign agents also invoke the chauvinism and racism ideas in the country and direct the racist hostility to Russia. This how many countries fell into the same, old, boring traps one by one.

So yes, it will be quite a puzzle for both the current government in Gruzia and Russia.

If NATzO uses post-Soviet limitrophe statelets as staging grounds for military attacks on Russia, then Russian needs to obliterate these threats. No
argument about "violating" sovereign states can fly. Those states are acting as loci of aggression on Russia and Russia has the right to neutralize them.
Neutralize is the main detail. NATzO is waging war and trying to hide behind normalcy at the same time. Russia cannot pander to this obscenity.
No wrist slapping. Just obliteration. If the people of these statelets suffer, then tough shit. Reap the consequences of sucking NATzO schlong. If
you want the mythical NATzO good life, then engage in economic activity with NATzO. But instead these f*cks are engaged in gang initiation where
they have to murder someone to prove their commitment and to become slaves of the NATzO gang.

The fact of the matter is that Russia does not need to invade or attack or do anything violent.

Georgia is a country on the border of Russia and there is trade with Russia and Georgia... there has been for a long time.

If Georgia wants to join the HATO anti Russia club then Russia does not need to bomb them or destroy their government to liberate them... all they need to do is block all trade and relations and ask Georgian citizens in Russia to leave by cancelling all work permits.

Block bank connections so money can't be sent to Georgia from Russian territory and stop all imports and exports between the two countries.

Look at how the US took advantage of the EUs stupidity and got them to cut themselves off from cheap Russian energy only to find the freedom gas from the US wasn't free... and often there wasn't enough of it because they were paying more for it in Asia so that is where the gas tankers delivered it to.

Turning west essentially destroyed Antonov and Motor sich and other Ukrainian companies whose primary customer was the Russian military and Russian exports.

The west wasn't interested in saving these companies because they have their own aircraft makers and engine makers and they didn't want more competition... they would break up and steal the resources and machinery and trained experienced staff, but they had no interest in keeping such competition alive.

Blackrock bought up all their farmland, but do you think they were feeding Ukraine... or making a quick buck selling it in the European market destroying the European food industries... wait a bit and buy them all up too...

The west is a slash and burn economy that destroys countries and scoops out their resources.

Destroying lives by asset stripping companies, firing most of the staff and reducing pay of those you keep on and then sell what is left and buy the next company massively underpriced because you own the politicians making the decisions and keeping everything legal.

If the countries on the border of Russia want to be misused and abused by the west and still blame all their problems of Russia, well Russia needs to orient to the rest of the world anyway, because trading through their neighbours and through Europe reduced their capacity to trade and added unnecessary middle men to make their products uncompetitive to all except those middle men who got cheap energy and resources from Russia.