According to Lukashenko, Ukraine has 120K men stationed near Belarus border. So apparently Ukraine has plenty of men to send to other regions like it did in Kursk.
They probably have another 500K men throughout Ukraine, including police, firemen, press gangs to gather up men to the front line, and of course all the aircrew and soldiers stationed in other parts of the country... if Ukraine sent those men to the front then Russia could invade between the gaps knowing there is nothing behind the front line of these barely trained troops.
Wasn't it WWI when the elite troops were held back to protect the government in Russia and over time news from the front and agitators eventually got to them and they had a revolution to overthrow the government... that can happen any time so the government needs to keep trusted people in important places in Kiev and also in other cities to make sure they don't get such ideas.
The suggestion that they could actually fight to the last man is ridiculous.
Why doesn't Russia destroy these 120,000 men?
Because they are doing nothing standing on the border with Belarus?
The guys on the front line and in the incursion are more important and more relevant targets.
Incompetence.
For whatever reason, Russian authorities are holding back for nothing other than to extend the amount of deaths and blunders of their own.
To work out the level of stupidity in your post Seph, just take a look at who liked it...
Even if we assume the figure is correct and there are 120K men on the border with Belarus, which means there are 120 men per kilometre... that is going to take a lot of bombs and missiles with such low density.... and even if you achieve your goal... they were being faced by two or three times that number of Russians and Belarussian soldiers on the other side of that border... they aren't doing anything but Kiev needs them there to stop Russia from flanking them... the Ukraine hasn't got enough to hold the front line and is pissing away its best trained and equipped soldiers on ego trip incursions that are being mopped up and just making Russians hate them more.
Remember many Ukrainians hated Russians but that number is being offset by the number who realise their own government and their western allies are the ones ruining their country and killing their people.
Henry Kissenger said "It may be dangerous to be an enemy of the US of A, but as they are finding... being a friend is fatal" ...to their culture and their country, their resources and their people. No men left and all their resources owned by US companies and still with a massive debt to pay off...
The Russians generally didn't hate Ukrainians... a bit like the British and Americans... you like to beat them at sport, there is a rivalry there, but you don't want to see them dead.
Well thanks to Zelensky and the actions and announcements of the west Russians are realising that for now the west is an enemy... there are parts they can talk to and do business with and have normal relations, but most of the rest can just **** off.
The Russian military is capable. But for whatever reason, the high command is just sitting still.
The Russian military is capable, but not all powerful. Russia hasn't killed all the Ukrainian border troops on the border with Belarus for the same reason the entire force of HATO didn't kill all the 50-60K taliban in Afghanistan over the period of 20 years they were in that country... It is not just a question of making a choice.
For fucks sake they can't even win the war on drugs... prescribed drugs kill more americans than anything else... gun crime kills about 40K Americans, about the same... 42K dead in road accidents... prescription drugs kill about 100K per year... and these are prescription drugs... NOT illegal drugs.
Why can't America fix that?
Maybe it is planned and they want the US population to be medicated and stupid.
As opposed to just stupid.
Putin was apparently visibly angry, meaning that even he is aware of the **** ups.
Of course he is angry... this internal civil war between Ukrainian factions where pro Russian Ukrainians were getting murdered by anti Russian Ukrainians should never have gotten this far... in a rules based international order Kiev should have been hit with massive international sanctions the second they banned a language and a culture, let alone when they started shelling and bombing their own people and burning them to death in buildings for wanting to speak that language... but the international community remained silent. Encouraged them even... from the western backers of this shithole.
Putin has been forced to intervene at great cost to Russia and Russians and of course he is not happy about that, nor this escalation on the part of Kiev.
He will go through his options and he will take action that benefits Russia and Russians and damages the west and kiev as much as possible.
This is interesting because for a year and a half now the narrative has been that the Ukrainian forces are about to fall apart.
Because the people thinking that were looking at their actual losses and wondering why Ukrainians are so keen to get Russians to kill them to benefit big US companies who are going to take ownership of everything valuable in their country as soon as they can.
The people thinking they will fall apart ignored the fact that these people are morons and don't actually know what is happening and more importantly WHY.
Luka likely told Moscow he doesn't want to get involved directly military so there will be none of russian troops using his land for attacks against Ukie forces, remember Russia and Bela are two different countries
Luka likely told Moscow he doesn't want to get involved directly military so there will be none of russian troops using his land for attacks against Ukie forces, remember Russia and Bela are two different countries
Putin likely does not want Belarus involved in this conflict either because it is useful to base nuclear armed missiles there to target parts of HATO that can't reach very far based in Kaliningrad, and are too vulnerable to have too many there.
The 120K in Belarus probably have encampments and are in larger clusters, but that is probably 800-1000km away unless you attack from Belarus.
If you started hitting them they would scatter... 120K over 1,000km is 120 men per km.... but they wont be bunched up on one camp because they do have to cover the entire length of the border...
Its a dumb rhetorical question. They are scattered in small groups in huge forests and abandoned towns. And they snuck in from huge forests and abandoned towns from across the border. Which has no natural barriers. Has anyone not learned anything about this war ye
It is a dumb question, but I agree that it is just as dumb as asking the original question.... or any such questions like that... why didn't America kill all the north korean soldiers in the korean war... why didn't they just kill all their enemies in every war they have ever fought?
Are they incompetent or is that just a fucking stupid question.... I think the answer is obvious... if you are not sure PM me and I will tell you.
When you got both Pepe Escobar and the Duran saying that Putin was visibly angry, and I notice he was visibly angry, means that things really didn't go to plan and someone fucked up severely.
You assume he is angry at his own people, but I would say it is likely he is angry with Kiev for doing this and making all of this necessary, and also angry with the west for funding and supporting them for committing these war crimes. (whether you agree with him or not, he has decided an incursion that kills civilians and tries to destroy the Crimean bridge and capture or destroy a nuclear power plant, are terrorist acts that are unnecessary escalations from an enemy that has already lost... like a player with just their king left and you have all 16 pieces and you are cornering him and he is trying to knock the game off the table onto the floor so he can call it a draw...).
Bad cricket.
Putin likes rules and laws and follows them even when it is not convenient.
Then when I'm reading various Russians response and how they keep saying that the upper command are useless twats with no experience or as Caveat said, full of medals but never faced combat, then gives me indication it was gross incompetence.
I would say the Ukrainians have a better case to make such claims of their own military and those in the west who are supporting Kiev to perform these attacks and actions.
If the high command of the Russian military was incompetent they would not be in the place they are now in terms of this conflict and several other recent ones.
Or perhaps you don't understand the meaning of the word incompetent?
You do understand that the western use of the term means someone who does something a way I don't agree with and don't understand... they seem to get good results but I don't like it.
They must be incompetent.
Now let's see what Ukraine does with its soldiers bordering Belarus.
On past form... try to invade the Crimea by getting them to jump into the water in Turkey and swim... in full gear. Ironically their western armour will sink immediately so it will probably kill fewer Ukrainian soldiers than it did in the other areas of the war...
Even if they don't have 120K troops near Belarus, if they even have troops there to begin with, says a lot more than Russia being caught with its pants down in Kursk.
If these 120K men exist they are border guards, they are not fucking SEAL team 6. Most would likely surrender... half are likely overweight and couldn't be sent to the front because of health issues.
So please, why waste munitions against a force in being when you have forces at the front that require more attention. However, I am sure these formations will soon get attacked.
I suspect after 3 years these guys have a very realistic understanding of what will happen if they go to the eastern front.... there is a history of this in Europe and it is not popular no matter what uniform you wear and who sent you.
If Zelensky starts trying to send these guys... 60K to 120K... how ever many there might be, it is more likely they will revolt and refuse to go... remember these guys are actually armed... but I doubt they have a lot of armour or supply units operating with them currently.
And this is going to keep happening. Russia will eventually snuff out Kursk. And keep making slow progress in the east. And while another year passes, the US will arm and plan another one of these attacks. What gives ? Now instead of just towns in ukraine getting destroyed , there's towns in Russia getting destroyed.
Destroyed? You mean about to get upgrades and improvements...
It took a year and a half of specialist training to get those guys to the level to execute this sort of mission and some of them are western mercs because they didn't have enough Ukrainians for the job... in a years time there wont be a conflict in the Ukraine except over whose fault it was.
It is like their wonder weapons... the first time it is a surprise, but after that you expect it and you know how to deal with it and it will fail horribly.
The west was hoping this would be a game changer... shelling markets probably killed more civilians over the last few years.
But the point is that it is Russia that has the numbers... Putins response to this incursion might be two new incursions every week into Ukrainian territory... the Orcs are stretched as it is and will not be able to cope with such a thing... and where they can't cope the Russian forces can push deep into Ukrainian territory... and when it comes time to peace talks they can decide whether to trade Ukrainian territory for prisoners and Russian territory or not.
Russia can afford to fight like this. But so can the US and Nato. If Russia doesn't change its strategy , the next 5 years is going to look like the last 2.
Kiev is not going to last 2 years... Kiev is not going to last 8 months...
The entire govt of Ukraine and the administrative state has to be destroyed. Make it harder for them. The fucking govt of Ukraine should be in exile in Poland. Not sitting comfortably in Kiev.
The problem there is answered... no point in trying to take out the Kiev leadership because they will just move to Poland or Brussels.
Blow up the US embassy in Kiev... it has thousands of workers... what do you think they are doing? Not issuing green cards.
Their signals intel will have worked out communications centres in Kiev and where the orders are coming from and will have a good idea of which buildings to drop.
Humint will also be improving as Ukrainians realise who is the real problem for their country and their people.
Like Garry I believe that the US embassy in Kiev should be targeted. Unlike him I think it should just be a warning shot, a direct hit being a declaration of war.
If you just want a warning shot then just publicly state that it is part of this conflict and will be eliminated if it is not closed down in a day.
The problem is that they will just move everything somewhere else and it will just continue.
A Kinzhal or three set to detonate at different levels of the building would get rid of the problem and likely cripple the Ukrainian government and Ukrainian military.
Lots of Chinese people and Iranian people will think it is perfectly fine when Russia says it used old maps and thought it was a childrens hospital and petting zoo.
Objective being to scare the shit out of all the people there who didn't believe they had signed up to be at risk in a war zone and to make life harder within it.
These are people who hate Russians and are working hard to keep Ukraine in this war... fuckem.
At the same time make a mess of the westbound railway lines out of Kiev to make escape more difficult.
I would say the opposite... make a mess of the east bound traffic as that is likely taking men and weapons and ammo to the front line.... or it is going to collect grain or coal or other resources from the east to ship west to make money.
Traffic going west will be anti Russians running from the oncoming horde... good to get them out of the way and out of the referendums that will follow.
I've been thinking that this whole Kursk offensive was a trap.
The attack was an attack, but Putin tends to make attacks from the enemy into traps for the enemy...
What regime change? Russia cannot regime change.
I think he means the people of the countries realising their governments are idiots and voting in less russophobic parties that might want to improve relations with Russia... like France for instance with Moron gone any replacement might be more practical and sensible.
Certainly there are countries that have worked hard to remain as neutral as they could like Hungary and now Fico in Slovakia? and of course Serbia and even Turkey with whom Russia has good trade and relations with.
Chance of having a pro-Russian (or even neutral to Russia) government in countries like Germany, Britain, France is close to zero. Chance of having a pro-Russian (or even neutral to Russia) government in Finland, Poland and Baltic states is exactly zero.
I don't think he is talking about pro Russia, he is just talking about neutral and practical... interested in business and trade and not about the intolerance the west has been displaying the last few centuries against Russia.
He is talking about trade so actually many EU countries still buy Russian gas and oil and other products... some pretend they are not by buying from third parties but that is where it comes from and they just end up paying a higher price by having a middle man as part of the transaction.
Neutral countries would just trade directly with Russia and save money. Anti Russian countries... well... who cares how much they end up paying, I am sure they will think it is worth it.
If Russia - after all of this is over (and if Russia exists by then) - ever fall for these "from Vladivostok to Lisbon" idiocies ever again then they are the biggest morons on this planet.
I think that ship has sailed, Russia has turned away from the west and is engaging and trading with the rest of the world, which is an enormous market with lots of opportunities for both partners to make money and improve and grow and develop.
I thought Ukraine was already out of soldiers.
They are... now they have IT guys and accountants.... and if these 120K exist they are border guards... no artillery no armour... probably a whistle and a baton.
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